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ol Yahweh was a pretty heartless God, especially after became a Sky-God, after having left the Earth, and having served as an Earth-based God.

Jesus, his Son changed all of that. they were very different from each other, or so it seems.

Foreknowledge is knowing, before occurrence, what will occur.

Preordination is deciding, determining, directing, before occurrence, what will occur.

Knowing (or at least being pretty dadgum sure) that the sun'll come up into the easterly sky every morning next week
won't have any effect on whether it does.

Semi-good Catholic guy here.

That's prophesy, not actual bible history.

Longbob, I'm sure you know that folks who have adopted the stance that the bible is without error and have it as a foundation of their faith have already satisfied themselves as to its apparent contradictions as to God's nature.Their answers only have to satisfy them as far as I'm concerned.

I take what I read, compare it to what I know, and if it don't fit what I know, I discard it.But............ adopting what is generally considered the meaning of a verse and discarding it 'cause it don't fit what I know is shortchanging myself.

A case in point is the "straight is the gate and narrow is the way that leads to eternal life........" teaching. I've always heard it preached as if we have to constantly be on guard, lest we stray.And the path is easily lost.

Now.. I've followed coonhounds through a briar thicket before. That deer trail thru the thicket is easy to follow 'cause it's narrow. And the walking is better.And the thorns don't scratch you.

This Christian life is the only easy life I've ever known.

The bible ain't wrong about the path, but preachers have been preaching it wrong in my opinion.

It was specific example of an endorsement by God.

Curdog,

Point taken and fair enough.

True but I didn't create the sun. If I had, I wouldn't expect it to buy into the notion that it had free will.

None of the so-called contradictions that I've investigated have turned-out to be contradictions at all.

Also, I have half a dozen or more first-century Greek New Testaments and found 'em free of significant variation (indeed, so far, free of any variation at all).

(So much for detractors' cherished allegations!)

You are one I had in mind when I wrote this:

Longbob, I'm sure you know that folks who have adopted the stance that the bible is without error and have it as a foundation of their faith have already satisfied themselves as to its apparent contradictions as to God's nature.Their answers only have to satisfy them as far as I'm concerned.

My wife has a book that Dr. James Kennedy wrote where he took the most common "claimed" contradictions and explained them away.She said the book helped her.

Applying the "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" philosophy, I only glanced thru the book.I'm like the old colored man regarding the bible;

It's them parts I DO understand that give me fits!

That business about lovin' your neighbor is a rough one.

Who said anything about contradictions? I am quoting from the assumption that what is written in the Bible/s are consistent messages of bad behavior.

Not an endorsement, but a potential punishment as a result of judgement and punishment.

It is an endorsement if I ever saw one, plus I gave specific examples of God carrying out murder. Did you read the Egypt first born thingy?

I only read the initial post.

I am a Christian. I am not a perfect Christian; I may not even be a good Christian, but I am a Christian. I believe that the Lord Jesus Christ is my personal savior. I believe in Heaven and I believe in prayer I think that makes me a Christian.

Gee whiz longbob,you make it up as you go along. I never said anything like this:

"And you made my point that you can decide to be as evil or bad as you want just as long as you accept Jesus as your savior before you die then you get the ticket into Heaven."

This must have come out of your own misundertanding and ignorance. Oh, and perhaps your lack of scholarship.

Not only did I NOT say that, it is quite untrue.


TF

A young Negro preacher's powerful sermons came to the attention of his bishop, who was appalled to learn that the young preacher's only source was the Bible. To remedy the "problem," he sent the young preacher a set of commentaries. On a visit some time later, he asked what the young fellow thought of the commentaries.

"Oh, them's good books! Good books! A li'l dim in places, but Scriptcha th'ows a lot o' light in there."

That young preacher is one of my heroes.

First century new testament? Are these scrolls, hand written books, or mass printed books from a somewhat later time frame. Whichever it was still written by men not some super being. I have to say people on this thread are knowledgeable about their chosen cult and its central work of fiction. The way you people have ruined the campfire makes me think you could make even a mythical place like heaven suck. A great example of I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints. Count me as a hell no on the original question.

So, a fella who believes the bible is the straight up word of god "investigates the "alleged" contradictions and finds that there aren't any. I'm shocked.

Now there is a good question

What year did the Bible come to be, and I don't mean written, I mean put together.

Good detail here will contain information on which books where choosen and when a meeting occured to change that.

In a nutshell, the old testament shows Gods nature and absolute hate of sin. Thank God for Jesus and the new Covenant.