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Mine come from the Fact that I Claim Them, and it also happens to be the Law of the Land, IE the US Bill of Rights.
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What does God giving life have to do with our 2nd Amendment?
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What does God giving life have to do with our 2nd Amendment? I'm not following where your confusion is coming from, pard. You've lived a life of studying law. Surely you understand Natural Law...? Furthermore you must be familiar with the relationship that Natural Law has with our own legal system...
"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." - John Adams
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Mine come from the Fact that I Claim Them, and it also happens to be the Law of the Land, IE the US Bill of Rights.
The Bill of Rights doesn't grant us any rights. It preserves already existing rights...
"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." - John Adams
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Mine come from the fact that I am a human and claim them. Nothing gave them to me. Intriguing point, shreck. If your rights are based only on your claim to them, then they are secure only to the extent that you are able to defend them, right? Sure, I can be killed but I will still have the right to defend meself.
A government is the most dangerous threat to man�s rights: it holds a legal monopoly on the use of physical force against legally disarmed victims.
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Mine come from the fact that I am a human and claim them. Nothing gave them to me. A claim is not a right. I didn't say it was, I said I claim a right or several. They can be taken away from me, by main force. If it were something given to me by an all powerful God then I don't think any mortal would be able to do that. Unless all powerful ain't so.
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My confusion? Natural Law doesn't emanate from a God nor man, save for man's reasoning, wherever one believes that originated from.
Natural Law doesn't distinguish the Creationist from the Atheist.
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If God created all men then he bestowed unto all men certain rights.
If someone doesn't believe in God then they still have those same rights as they were endowed by their creator whether they believe it or not.
God does not judge us while here on earth but after we are gone for what we did here.
God could not have created only some men, so to ask a question where their rights come from, as a believer, is perplexing.
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Agreed Bob, I think the lot of us are arguing past each other. Natural Law doesn't emanate from a God nor man, save for man's reasoning Are you a closet Objectivist? 
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This discussion reminds me of a merry go round.
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Where do YOUR rights come from? Mine come from our Creator. Q: in your view, then, since your Rights are Creator-dependent, do people who believe in different Creators have different Rights?
The CENTER will hold.
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This discussion reminds me of a merry go round.
Jim With even less purpose and a less well defined destination...
Gunnery, gunnery, gunnery.
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This discussion reminds me of a merry go round.
Jim With even less purpose and a less well defined destination... With out the music. The horrible horrible music.
A government is the most dangerous threat to man�s rights: it holds a legal monopoly on the use of physical force against legally disarmed victims.
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If a god granted you your rights, then you have none, because the god can take them away at any time.
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This discussion reminds me of a merry go round.
Jim Reminds me how much fun it would be shootin' athiests off a merry go round. Gunner
Trump Won!
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This discussion reminds me of a merry go round.
Jim Reminds me how much fun it would be shootin' athiests off a merry go round. Gunner Really? Violent type ney?
A government is the most dangerous threat to man�s rights: it holds a legal monopoly on the use of physical force against legally disarmed victims.
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Trump Won!
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Can't get much more unAmerican than that.
Save an elk, shoot a cow.
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The CENTER will hold.
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Where do YOUR rights come from? Mine come from our Creator. =================== Where in any Bible does it say that? Common men stated we have rights endowed by a Creator. Did those men have the rightful arrogance to bestow something from a God upon you? When I start using the bible to prove a point, it would be fair for you to introduce it. Until then, we should leave that to our resident experts; Ringman and Hawkeye. Now.......... those common men were forming a system of government. They bound that government to what Madison and other Founders called "rights of human nature". They considered these as "first principles" of the Constitution. THEY declared those rights were bestowed by our Creator. It makes sense when you consider that a Sovereign Nation, by it's nature, can recognize ONLY a Supreme Being as having precedence over the State.
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