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Yessir, 26lb Wolff springs and a buffer in an all steel 5" 1911 Springfield then go forth with Power Pistol powder 230 gr Hornady or Nosler FMJ flat point bullets in 45 Super brass and your there, run 'em to an easy 1200 fps in my Springfield TM.

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I have both a Glock 23 and a 20SF..... Slow fire I hit just as well with each..... Firing faster the 23 wins hands down..... I kind of doubt the ".40 short and weak" crowd has tried many side by side comparison shooting drills.....

The 23 is enough smaller and lighter that it makes CC easier for me too....

I bought the 20 SF along with a 6" KKM barrel and it sounds like the same 200 grain HP mold RoninPhx did for hunting.....I have yet to cast a bullet with it so far.... Need to get on that and be ready to repel woodchucks from the garden this Spring..... Hopefully a deer or two this Fall

The only time I would choose a 10MM for primary self defense might be living above the Arctic circle where there was a large population of really big mean drunks all wearing 3 layers of Carharts

I have both a Glock 23 and a 20SF..... Slow fire I hit just as well with each..... Firing faster the 23 wins hands down..... I kind of doubt the ".40 short and weak" crowd has tried many side by side comparison shooting drills.....

The 23 is enough smaller and lighter that it makes CC easier for me too....

I bought the 20 SF along with a 6" KKM barrel and it sounds like the same 200 grain HP mold RoninPhx did for hunting.....I have yet to cast a bullet with it so far.... Need to get on that and be ready to repel woodchucks from the garden this Spring..... Hopefully a deer or two this Fall

The only time I would choose a 10MM for primary self defense might be living above the Arctic circle where there was a large population of really big mean drunks all wearing 3 layers of Carharts

Freudian slip as I have the weak and useless LCP.

RoninPhx.... I have 3 of those made in Slovenia brass molds now.... A 2 hole cut like RCBS .452 270 grain.... Mine throws then at 280 grains using WW and a dab of tin.... I load them in .45 AR loads for my 625 4" and in my .45 Colt Mountain Gun..... Found the load data for newer S&W guns in Handloader Magazine.... Their load data says the AR rounds are pushing 900 fps and the still easy on the gun .45 Colt loads are around 1000 + FPS.

I know for certain that this bullet slams steel plates down much harder than standard .45 ACP loads do....

I read in the Group Buy load results section of the Cast Bullet Forum that the standard round HP bullets expanded MUCH better that the cool looking pentad (sp?) bullets did.....

I also picked up a 4 hole version of a .452 200 grain round nose HP.... It has been very accurate in both my .625 and 3 different 1911s .... Still looking for a woodchuck to preform ballistic testing on.... It has a wide deep HP..... Guessing there will not be any ground hogs making it back to their holes after a center hit with one of these....

I ordered the 4 hole 200 grain 10MM mold with both deep and shallow pins.... Early group buy results suggest the shallow HP is the way to go for air cooled bullets..... If I ever start reloading for the .40 S&W I would try the deep HP.

I went with the 6" barrel so that I could get plenty of velocity using published load data.... I would like to ask the OP to post the picture here that he did on another forum showing the blown case he got...... Maybe I'm just getting old but I stop with max published loads even if I'm not getting the FPS listed in the book and although this has never happened, I would stop if my loads clocked faster that the book max FPS even if I had not yet used as much powder as the "book load".

IMO the 10 MM is NOT a magnum cartridge.... The more folks accept that and understand that it is still very much enough for clean kills on many different big game animals at reasonable range the more popular the 10MM will become.

No, I don't think a different name would have done it. It's a gun nut's round. Takes a shooter who understands and appreciates the differences to like it.
For me, you can't run fast enough to give me a .45 Super or anything like it for my 1911's. I don't see any of the SAAMI members loading ammo for it either. Must be a few good reasons I suspect.
Shoot a 10 for while along side a 9mm, a .357, a .45 ACP, or a .41 Magnum and it's appeal becomes apparent. More power and range than the first three and alot easier on the shooter than the .41. All in a very tough, high capacity pistol. Alot to like there. E

I'd go a step further and say there are probably a lot of law enforcement officials who would not want a 10. Not just novices. If more power was the whole story, then the 454 would be the most popular LE cartridge in the US and not the 40. The 40 is just the cup of tea for those who haven't any faith in 9mm/.357 type cartridges. 10 is more versatile and more of an "expert's" cartridge, IMO anyway.

2nd wind,

I am the OP and I never posted a picture of a blown case on another forum because I don't belong to any other forums. You might have me confused with someone else. My hanloads are under the specs of the original Dorneaus and Dixon/ Norma loadings and do not even create a creased or "smiley face" on my brass and my pistol was set up by a true proffesional to run with my loads so on we shall go. So far quite a few rounds downrange with those loads. I will keep running them, they are not scary hot by any stretch. They are only close to the speeds this cartridge was supposed to run at in the beginning. with the relatively slow burning AA#9 I use, I have little concern about chamber pressure etc.

I a self defense mode I'd take the Semi Auto any day. Now if you're talking something big brown and fuzzy I'll take a .475 Limbaugh or a S&W 460. If you can't shoot a 40 or 10mm you need to have a desk job.

The 10 was the one that the FBI was too wimpy to shoot, therefore much better than the 40, those lawyer types were too puny to handle a real gun, take your own take on that. The 10 is almost a ballistic twi to the 41 mag. People kill BIG stuff with the 41, 10 can do that.
MC