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Or the winning end for Salcalpig
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This explains why the 270AR is the best
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According to Mule Deer's 1/4 rule, the 270 SPR should be capable of around 200 fps increase at similar pressure levels compared to the 6.8 SPC. This is using the case capacity figures you quoted.
According to Hodgdon 6.8 data, a 110 Vmax is capable of 2690 fps with a 24" barrel (with 30 grains of IMR 8208) . Conservatively estimating a 15 fps loss per inch, that will be around 2610 with an 18" barrel at similar pressure levels.
So if your round is capable of a 200 fps increase, we are looking at just over 2800 fps with 110s at similar pressure levels.
This is if everything goes according to plan. The increase in case capacity may bump up the best powder choice into a slower bracket, and IMR 8208 may not be ideal. In face, I'm betting it will be on the fast side when it comes to 130 grain bullets, but that's just a postulation. Try using the 270WIN as your base starting place and work down vs using the 6.8SPC and working up and lets see what that shows. I would but i don't have that QL software yet.
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This is the best car going, it can drive itself, and gets 250 miles per gallon of gasoline. Beats any car by 100 years, should be out @2050.
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Seriously, its the new JeffO. This level of absolute stupidity doesn't come along very often, even in this sewer of stupid.
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The west coast OWNS stupid it would seem....
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Since most of you aren't reading the original thread i posted heres the developers load development notes. Today- 18" barrel 37gr CFE223, not max pressure. 110gr HPBT=2855fps chrono did not read above 37gr. 40gr was not max pressure. 37gr CFE223, not max pressure. 120gr SST=2736 39gr CFE223, Max pressure 120gr SST=2860 primer starting to flatten, no cratering. 38gr CFE223, 130gr Berger=2692fps-no signs of pressure.
Just a swag here, the 110s should hit 3000 or close, 120s as shown 2850-2900 and the 130s 2750-2800 out of a 20". 85gr TSX 3300???
38gr CFE223, 130gr Berger=2692fps-no signs of pressure. That's a pretty serious long range load right there.
Just a swag here, the 110s should hit 3000 or close, 120s as shown 2850 more or less and the 130s 2700-2750. 85gr TSX 3300???
38gr CFE223, 130gr Berger=2692fps-no signs of pressure. That's a pretty serious long range load right there.
36gr 8208 130 Berger=2788fps Holy Flippin Moley! -Primers show light cratering here. I had 1 shot at 2855. Either load is 260 Remington with a 24" barrel territory!
H335 turned out to be a little slow with the 85gr TSX 40gr =3139 with no signs of pressure-max case fill. RE7 on the other hand worked out great-36gr RE7=3291 with no signs of pressure, could probably go to 37gr which is pretty close to max case fill. RE7 For the light ones, 8208 and N530 for the 130s. 10x, H335 and x-term may work for the 100s. While all powders may not produce the most velocity, everything from RE7 on the fast end to Varget and RE15 could be used with some bullets.
For those that asked about Varget. 35gr +2560fps. It wasn't near max pressure so it maybe possible to get 36gr in the case bumping the vel another 50-60ps. 2600 max IMO. RE15 will likely be the same. N530-35gr=2801fps max pressure not max fill.
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Looks like he is using the flattened or cratered primers to test for max pressure? You gotta be joking me.
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It would be step forward based on what I've read so far...
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This is the best car going, it can drive itself, and gets 250 miles per gallon of gasoline. Beats any car by 100 years, should be out @2050. Dude that is clearly a game changer.
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Looks like he is using the flattened or cratered primers to test for max pressure? You gotta be joking me. Hey, just use 270 win data and work down..
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I'd go sideways with 260 Rem data.
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Charlie Sisk once blew off the end of a 300 WM barrel. 5 inches worth IIRC and he didn't have any cratered primers AND he was running a legit pressure gauge. KNEW what he was doing for pressure - for sure.
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Let's be really optimistic and just start with .270 Wby data and work down...
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Yeah, I have no problem grasping the theory of extra yardage and more energy at closer range. My point, again, is that IMO it isn't necessary.
The 6.8 has no issues with deer past 300. In my AO, I very rarely see shots like those. If I do, I can spin the extra with no worries. I'm certainly not letting Connor, my son, take those shots at this point so it's irrelevant there.
So, again, what does it offer me besides more recoil/noise for my boy to contend with? Oh stop. George. There arent any deer in NH
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Yeah, I have no problem grasping the theory of extra yardage and more energy at closer range. My point, again, is that IMO it isn't necessary.
The 6.8 has no issues with deer past 300. In my AO, I very rarely see shots like those. If I do, I can spin the extra with no worries. I'm certainly not letting Connor, my son, take those shots at this point so it's irrelevant there.
So, again, what does it offer me besides more recoil/noise for my boy to contend with? Oh stop. George. There arent any deer in NH George uses 500 nitros for hogs, i think he is full of chit saying he uses a 6.8SPC for deer.....
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Interesting. I ran Quickload for 270 Winchester with an 18" barrel and 55000 psi max. In other words, taking everything out of the equation except the case capacity. Ended up with around 2860 as max velocity with a 130 Berger with a number of powders (RE 25 showed another 20 fps, but there are a bunch right around 2850-2860).
Did the math (and keep in mind this is using the case capacities the OP gave us for the 270AR, so things could vary a bit in real life). Ended up with around 260 fps less than the 270 Winchester.......or 2600 fps.
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Yeah, I think he just runs after 'em and catches them, myself
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