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I have friends that go organic crops.
I schit you not.
They will tell you that they will not eat the organic crops they grow, because they are bug infested, schit filled garbage.
Yet, they know that people like TRH will fight over and pay double to greedily buy their schit crop and they can turn a very tidy profit.
Non-GMO and/or Organic.....It's like porn, you may not watch it yourself or agree with it, but if you can make a boatload.......... grin


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One understanding that I have is that GMO's redeuce bio-diversity, so if there was an outbreak that killed for instance the 'main-strain' of bananas, we would be sans bananas forever! crazy


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LMAO...

Several years ago I grew "organic pumpkins", fertilized with horse schidt, lying in horse schidt.

I was flabbergasted at all the Kalipornya libby-nuts that flocked out of Reno to buy them at 5X the price of grocery store pumpkins. They didn't want "contaminated" pumpkins for their little-lib kids.


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Originally Posted by wageslave
I have friends that go organic crops.
I schit you not.
They will tell you that they will not eat the organic crops they grow, because they are bug infested, schit filled garbage.
Yet, they know that people like TRH will fight over and pay double to greedily buy their schit crop and they can turn a very tidy profit.
Non-GMO and/or Organic.....It's like porn, you may not watch it yourself or agree with it, but if you can make a boatload.......... grin


Organic is a joke on the buyers that buy into that crap.


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you realize that peeker has the 4 of us on ignore...


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Originally Posted by luv2safari
LMAO...

Several years ago I grew "organic pumpkins", fertilized with horse schidt, lying in horse schidt.

I was flabbergasted at all the Kalipornya libby-nuts that flocked out of Reno to buy them at 5X the price of grocery store pumpkins. They didn't want "contaminated" pumpkins for their little-lib kids.
Central to a conservative disposition is a preference for the tried and true vs the new and untested by time, which is the explanation for the popularity of organic produce, and opposition to GMO, among a growing segment of conservatives.

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16-16-16 is pretty tried and true, but some just prefer to be fed horseschit. grin

My "organic" customer are about 90% liberals, 5% conservatives, and 5% nothings.

I eat the stuff grown on the 16-16-16 and 16-20-0, myself. wink


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The way Monsanto and other ag labs are so heavily backed up by the government seems that GMO is more likely GovernmentMandatedOperations.


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I'm not educated enough to pick a side here. But I do remember some report (which I can't find now) linking GMO corn to a much higher incidence of allergic reactions.

Anyone remember this or have a link to it? I don't remember who did the study, so can't say if it was biased or not.

Like I said, not educated enough, but it does worry me when humans think they can use science to "improve" mother nature. Sometimes we might. Other times, seems like a recipe for failure. Time will tell. Maybe.

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Originally Posted by pira114
I'm not educated enough to pick a side here. But I do remember some report (which I can't find now) linking GMO corn to a much higher incidence of allergic reactions.

Anyone remember this or have a link to it? I don't remember who did the study, so can't say if it was biased or not.

Like I said, not educated enough, but it does worry me when humans think they can use science to "improve" mother nature. Sometimes we might. Other times, seems like a recipe for failure. Time will tell. Maybe.
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Originally Posted by pira114
I'm not educated enough to pick a side here. But I do remember some report (which I can't find now) linking GMO corn to a much higher incidence of allergic reactions.

Anyone remember this or have a link to it? I don't remember who did the study, so can't say if it was biased or not.

Like I said, not educated enough, but it does worry me when humans think they can use science to "improve" mother nature. Sometimes we might. Other times, seems like a recipe for failure. Time will tell. Maybe.
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Originally Posted by pira114
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Luddite! grin


Ya know what? Yeah, sometimes I kinda am. I refuse to use self check out. Does that count?
Preach it, brother. smile

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One major problem is that you can't sell gmo crops to many countries. If your field is contaminated you may not be able to fulfill contracts and suffer losses. You plant an heirloom variety to sell to Europe or someplace at high markup and spend a bunch of cash to grow this PIA heirloom and when it's tested it fails and you are now in the general US market and a high cost crop. This type of contamination is shutting our farmers out of lucrative markets in Japan and Europe. Monsanto is polluting the whole country but not paying anything for the destruction of these farmers ability to sell to their hard earned customers. Suits companies like Monsanto just fine because they had patented these modifications and if their pollution is found in your crop they can sue to block the sale of the crops as unlicensed use of patents. They have already done so to force farmers to use their seeds to ensure that they will be able to sell their crops. Monsanto is a really evil organization and is without morals.


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Originally Posted by Daveinjax
One major problem is that you can't sell gmo crops to many countries. If your field is contaminated you may not be able to fulfill contracts and suffer losses. You plant an heirloom variety to sell to Europe or someplace at high markup and spend a bunch of cash to grow this PIA heirloom and when it's tested it fails and you are now in the general US market and a high cost crop. This type of contamination is shutting our farmers out of lucrative markets in Japan and Europe. Monsanto is polluting the whole country but not paying anything for the destruction of these farmers ability to sell to their hard earned customers. Suits companies like Monsanto just fine because they had patented these modifications and if their pollution is found in your crop they can sue to block the sale of the crops as unlicensed use of patents. They have already done so to force farmers to use their seeds to ensure that they will be able to sell their crops. Monsanto is a really evil organization and is without morals.
+1 They know all that, though. Their ignorance is feigned.

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Cite some examples of your claim.
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I sure have no love for Monsanto. They are like most large corporations and have only profit as their goal, however they need to reach that profit.

As far as consuming GMO products, I have no fears. The concern...main concern, seems to be that they will contaminate our seed supply to the point there are no more pure heirloom plants and seeds. This alone is a disaster, IMO. I also wonder whether the contamination can enter vastly diverse plant life.

I'm not convinced GMO is bad, but I, too, want more research and unbiased data. wink


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Originally Posted by luv2safari
OK...now, what is the Real danger of this?

I can see that the GMO plants can contaminate open pollinated plants and destroy the variety forever.

Are there any other documented deleterious effects on anything?


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And if the food mutates into poison and spreads?

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Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
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ol Thomas Malthus has been wrong so far. but then the Messiah hasn't returned yet either.
But you admit to being a Malthusian, right?


uh, no. but I might have a hint of Luddite running through my blood stream. in a more perfected world we might be a globe of interconnected semi-autonomous villages. I don't think we're currently headed in that direction. the Earth's human population is still increasing. until we reach peak population and begin a measurable decline back to more legitimate carrying capacity i'm going to leave room for T. Malthus to be correct in the long run.

the multi-national corporates are not dumb just because they want to maximize market share, profit, or revenue. they are long-run beasts. they can see what is facing humanity as well as any of us can. they are striving to meet human demands or they will perish. so, they do operate from self-interest for the benefit of the whole.

I love heirlooms. no problem there, but the big picture calls for feeding of a global population of humans. if GMO technology assists in meeting that goal, then so be it.

after we get down to 500.000.000 people spread strategically across and around the globe to minimize risks to the species, we can go back to 100 percent heirloom varieties. no problem. wink


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