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Yep, except for two or three 22HP's I have no standard checkered EG's in my list until 387148/388,7xx. I have others at 383,063/384,5xx/385,679 that are not checkered.

here are a couple of Spiegel specials that were at a small auction this summer that I was at but did not buy them... they sold very reaonably...neither of these actually had Rocky Mountain front sights, I have pictures of both and other than the damage and changes listed, they were legit. Both had forearm checkered also...

Serial # 394882, .303 SVG, 22" standard barrel with very good bore with light frosting in the grooves. Manufactured in 1940. This pre-war '99 has some enhancements including a checkered buttstock and forend, a grip cap and engravings on both sides of the receiver. It has perhaps 70% of the original blue remaining and 80% case color on the lever. The original varnished wood finish is in very good condition. The buttstock has a repair at the top left front; brass studs are set in the sling swivel holes. The rear sight is a Lyman tang-mounted aperture, the front is a Savage "Rocky Mountain" blade and a Rocky Mountain semi-buckhorn (minus its elevator) is mounted on the barrel. The receiver bridge is NOT drilled for a scope mount. Overall condition is good. (500-600)

Serial # 393302, .300 SVG, 24" standard barrel, manufactured in 1940. This pre-war '99 has some enhancements including checkering on the forend and pistol grip, a grip cap and engravings on both sides of the receiver. It retains 90% of its original bluing and case coloring, with most of the wear at the carry point. The original vanish finish rates very good. There is an almost unnoticeable chip at the toe of the buttstock. 1" swivel slings are installed. The front sight is a small blade; the rear is a Savage "Rocky Mountain" semi-buckhorn. The receiver bridge is NOT drilled for a scope mount. Overall condition is good plus. (500-600)

There were at least a half a dozen other 99s at this auction including a not often seen 99D and a pretty nice 99F with a 1" stith and a Weaver K4.

Drew, did they have the B&M mount holes? From the "The receiver bridge is NOT drilled for a scope mount." statement I would suppect that they did.

I don't recall but I would assume so, they had the roll stamp. The 303 had previously had sling swivels but the holes were filled. The 300 still had the correct sling swivels.

I have pictures but they are in a PDF ...not sure how to get them out and up to PB.

Are those the same roll stamps that the model 430's had?

They look identical to my 20 ga.

I have not compaired them side by side but I think they are identical.

My two are: #392,1xx and 394,8xx

I have 386396 Spiegel in 300 sav, both checkered.

Steve, I have one with the same seril...394,8xx.

The rolled stamping on the Spiegel/Salesman Sample 99's is identical to the rolled stamping on Savage 420's and 430's. What does this mean if anything? All were produced about the same time frame. Maybe just a quick embellishment to help sell. Tom

They were primarily EG's

So- Savage went to checkered from uncheckered stocks on the EG sometime in the late 30's, correct or no?
If that is the case, big if because I don't know, could the roll stamped rifles just be leftover uncheckered stocks installed on "new" EG's with the checkered butt and a stamping and sling studs added to help sell the bastardized rifle? Remember this would have been early post depression.
Also, maybe they were experimenting with roll stamping for the shotguns and the whole 99 package made sense to use up parts and embellish an otherwise funky rifle????
Is there roll stamping in any numbers at Savage prior to this time? Was all previous embellishment done by engraving rather than roll stamping? Roll stamping was surely a cost savings.
What scope mount fits the "Speigel" rifle?
Mine is 300 Savage, 377,xxx. Drilled under rear sight, not drilled in front bridge, uncheckered forearm, checkered butt, sling loops.

Just questions from a Savage nerd.

Was especially hoping someone knows what scope mount fits this rifle. Belding and Mull?

Belding & Mull. Beyond rare.

I have an ad for it from an old discussion here but can't get it to open for some reason.

Looks like this might have it?? Is this a year or two earlier than the Spiegel Rifles?

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Belding-Mul...=Vintage_Hunting&hash=item5654e53167

I know it gets old, but I must continue to point out that the B&M theory on Spiegel rifles came from a public guess made on this forum and has never been proven to be correct, yet it continues to be spoken as fact.

No one has ever turned up a B&M mount to prove that the holes in the mount match the rifles.

The B&M scope and mount look nothing like the Spiegel catalog page showing the rifle and scope.

I'm going on info from FUG I believe. Have never second guessed his word but maybe he wasn't the one.

Nor would I second guess FUG, I dont recall him settling this, but would gladly eat crow if served.