Bergers are considered a good long range bullet I suppose, but I consider a Partition the minimum in a grizzly situation. 270 Winchester with 150's and up, although I would prefer a 375 caliber myself. No I don't have any experience, just good common sense prevails IMHO.
JOC was right. The 270 Winchester on a Model 70 is a great combination as is the 30/06 and 375 H&H
I guess a fella could use Bergers on charging grizzlies a couple of times, and if they didn't work, he could change to something else.
I'd bet that if they didn't work there wouldn't be a second time
We know they can work if placed well. The critical question, however, is whether they work better (or even as well) as other bullets when placed into a maliciously motivated animal in less than ideal locations for that is what one can expect under the circumstances (and which is why a lot of people like the long hole idea better.)
Sometimes, the air you 'let in'matters less than the air you 'let out'.
We know they can work if placed well. The critical question, however, is whether they work better (or even as well) as other bullets when placed into a maliciously motivated animal in less than ideal locations for that is what one can expect under the circumstances (and which is why a lot of people like the long hole idea better.)
Yeah, when they're coming at you from 60 feet away (or less) and traveling at about 20-30 miles an hour through truly thick (jungle-like) brush, they don't give you much to shoot at, nor is the situation conducive to "proper shot placement".
The last two that I had to follow up after clients had wounded them, didn't provide ideal circumstance in which to dispatch them.
For example: One bear was killed only after I'd accidently shot through a 4-inch thick alder with a .375 H&H magnum loaded with 300 grain Nosler Partition bullets. That shot was fired from about 25 or 30 feet. Even still, the bear kept coming and I dropped him at about 12 feet with a shot into the end of the nose.
So the new standard for hunting bullets is that they should be able to penetrate 4 inches of alder close to the muzzle and still kill the animal at whatever distance? Or is that only for people hunting in bear country?
I still think the best defense against bears while hunting is still to be aware of your surroundings and not just wandering into thick stuff unawares. The grizz I've come across in the wilderness were heard before seen. If there is one that has appeared close, make human noise. Scare them off. Be ready to shoot. In the face or neck if you can. If you can't shoot straight, maybe it's best to carry a DG gun with DG bullets. I believe mental preparation is far more important than bullet, cartridge, gun. Our big brains are what have allowed us to make it this long as a race.
Your another one who thinks all attacks come with a warning! Well my friend your wrong.
I don't see where you're gotten that. All bear attacks come from bears. Once again, the OP was talking about deer/elk hunting, so we aren't talking about crawling through stuff where you can only see for feet. I do know that it is possible to sense a bear before he's chewing on me, and I do know that the best thing I can do, regardless of gun, cartridge, bullet, or lack thereof, is to be AWARE OF MY SURROUNDINGS, and if bears are a concern, I should probably not put myself in situations where I'd be at quite a disadvantage. If I haven't done these things, and then rely on a firearm to save my ass, then I get what I deserve.
We need to send out a grizzly amber alert to all those deer and elk hunters out there today with .270s loaded with Core Lokts and Power points. OMG, what if they have Bergers?
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