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I hammered it and sure enough he ran out of gears and RPMs and I left him back there, in the passing lane.... Fading further and further behind me until he was just all by himself in the wrong lane, all strung out and maxed out at not much more than 100 mph. Lol!
That made me smile like heck.
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426 Hemi not 429
I had a '70 Hemi Cuda
Doors rattled off the show room floor!
'71 used Carter thermo quads AFB. Sh..T! '70 used Holley quadrajets double pumper,dual line, dual pumps. Much better! FIFY I see the Ford Thunderbolt is absent from the list. Ya what about the T-Bolt its the fastest of all. Plus its a Ford so its not junk... Lol. The T-Bolt ain't exactly a street car. though I'd give it a run.
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426 Hemi not 429
I had a '70 Hemi Cuda
Doors rattled off the show room floor!
'71 used Carter thermo quads AFB. Sh..T! '70 used Holley quadrajets double pumper,dual line, dual pumps. Much better! FIFY I see the Ford Thunderbolt is absent from the list. Ya what about the T-Bolt its the fastest of all. Plus its a Ford so its not junk... Lol. The T-Bolt ain't exactly a street car. though I'd give it a run. Well it was kinda street legal. Funny how folks remember the hemi when Ford's 427 was king. The T-Bolt and Cobra were awesome. Ford Thunderbolt
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1969 Charger R/T 440 six pack
1971 Hemi Cuda 426
1970 Mustang Boss 302
1970 Mustang Boss 429
1970 Chevelle SS 454 LS-6
1969 Camaro COPO ZL1 427
1967 Shelby Mustang GT-500 427
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Well it was kinda street legal. Funny how folks remember the hemi when Ford's 427 was king. The T-Bolt and Cobra were awesome. Ford Thunderbolt Well, a lot of them would rather forget it. They remember those round Ford T-bolt tail lights though.
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WOW - thanks - some great cars noted and exclaimed on this thread. Always thought that the mid 60s GMs were the best overall - muscles and looks combined. Not many mentions here of this one - have had it since 1971 - it sure ate a lot of wannabees. Maybe still can. As far as looks, it doesn't get much better, IMO. That is beautiful!
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Well it was kinda street legal. Funny how folks remember the hemi when Ford's 427 was king. The T-Bolt and Cobra were awesome. Ford Thunderbolt Well, a lot of them would rather forget it. They remember those round Ford T-bolt tail lights though. Good Point, those tail lights were unique...
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While the old muscle cars were cool,for as much power as they made,they really weren't all that fast.
A late model V6 Toyota Camry or Honda Accord will be neck and neck with any of the old muscle in the 1/4 mile. I'm guessing you are well under 40 years old and have never ridden in one of those old slow muscle cars... LOL..I was thinking the same thing! Too much Fast & Furious or whatever that show is called that made kids now days think they can put a big ugly can on their little rice burner and "go fast"
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While the old muscle cars were cool,for as much power as they made,they really weren't all that fast.
A late model V6 Toyota Camry or Honda Accord will be neck and neck with any of the old muscle in the 1/4 mile. A lot of those � mile times you see for a stock car was misleading, or at least did not represent the potential that the car had. The narrow hard rubber tires that came on these cars sucked at best. I have an old article at home that shows were someone took a stock 69 Camaro 427 added 9� slicks, headers, and a 4:56 rearend gear and ran 11:90�s. This was in the 60�s. Do that in an almost stock Camry.
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The one that started it all, 1964 GTO !! I have one +1 My dream car is 69 GTO Judge! 400 Ram Air, 4 speed....ooooh I got wood just thinking about it!
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While the old muscle cars were cool,for as much power as they made,they really weren't all that fast.
A late model V6 Toyota Camry or Honda Accord will be neck and neck with any of the old muscle in the 1/4 mile. A lot of those � mile times you see for a stock car was misleading, or at least did not represent the potential that the car had. The narrow hard rubber tires that came on these cars sucked at best. I have an old article at home that shows were someone took a stock 69 Camaro 427 added 9” slicks, headers, and a 4:56 rearend gear and ran 11:90’s. This was in the 60’s. Do that in an almost stock Camry. Good Point, click my link on the Ford Thunderbolt above and look at the ET's when it was introduced in 64 and look at the current times for a stock T-Bolt on modern slicks. Here is the quote... "However, these modifications resulted in a car which, as tested with a four-speed transmission at Lions Drag Strip in November 1963, ran 11.61 seconds at 124.8 MPH (200.8 km/h). Best 1/4-mile pr.01.01.2011 for an authentic Thunderbolt on today's slicks are 9.23secs/243kmh Ray Paquet set SS/A record of 8.55 @ 154 mph October 2013 NHRA Indy Nationals"
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1987 Buick Grand National I've had Benzs, Audis, Volvos, Jeeps, you-name-it, but my 87 Buick Grand National was the all time favorite. I loved telling people that I drove a Buick. Most thought that was a boring choice. Few followed up to find out that in 1987, it was the fastest production car after a special edition Porsche. No joke, my kids were afraid to drive it. Almost forgot to mention, the informal motto of the brand was "We brake for Corvettes." One of my great-uncles helped build the 1950s Buick Wildcat concept cars. Would have been an awesome car had Chevy not nixed it. 1954 Wildcat II: 1953 Wildcat found and restored! 1953 Buick Wildcat
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Without reading more than the first page and not reading the link, my list:
1. 69 Mustang Mach One 428 2. 63 Corvette 327 3. 69 Z-28 with 302 4. 67 GTO 389 5. 54 Ford Thunderbolt 427 6. 69 Chevelle SS 396 7. 69 Plymouth Roadrunner 383
There are a lot of cars/engines from 68-70 that should be on the list.
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I have an old article at home that shows were someone took a stock 69 Camaro 427 added 9� slicks, headers, and a 4:56 rearend gear and ran 11:90�s. This was in the 60�s.
Do that in an almost stock Camry. If it's really a "stock" 427 Camaro set up , then it pretty much has to be either an L-88 or ZL-1 engine. Either of those had enough compression (12 or 12.5 to 1) to require leaded gas, either racing fuel or high octane avgas. They also had long duration cams with a lot of overlap which produced little idle vacuum and weren't much for low end torque. A 4.56 rear gear makes daily driving interesting as well. Never mind getting ticketed all the time for slicks on a roadway. Using that to represent a "1969 muscle car" compared to a nearly stock anything, old or new, doesn't mean much.
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I have an old article at home that shows were someone took a stock 69 Camaro 427 added 9” slicks, headers, and a 4:56 rearend gear and ran 11:90’s. This was in the 60’s.
Do that in an almost stock Camry. If it's really a "stock" 427 Camaro set up , then it pretty much has to be either an L-88 or ZL-1 engine. Either of those had enough compression (12 or 12.5 to 1) to require leaded gas, either racing fuel or high octane avgas. They also had long duration cams with a lot of overlap which produced little idle vacuum and weren't much for low end torque. A 4.56 rear gear makes daily driving interesting as well. Never mind getting ticketed all the time for slicks on a roadway. Using that to represent a "1969 muscle car" compared to a nearly stock anything, old or new, doesn't mean much. The point was that these cars had a lot more potential than a 14 sec quarter that was shown in the old magazines or documentaries. The factory tires sucked, and was the main reason for the slow quarter mile times from the factory. Let�s say you took one of the big block muscle cars and put street legal Mickey Thompson street slicks, and a 3:73 to 4:10 gear and you could easily run low 13�s or high 12�s and be very streetable. This is just what we did when I was in my late teen�s.
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That's the comparison to make.
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I read that link LBP:
a 427 Rated at 425 HP to satisfy the insurance industry and a few other complainers.... but rated the engine more along the lines of 600 plus HP....
In something that probably weighs in as much as ( or as little as) a Camry... that is a lot of HP!
there is a lot of fine cars made out there these days, that can rival a lot of the muscle car era....
but just like Harleys today, vs Japanese Motorcycles...
the sophisticated stuff of today, don't have the pure thunder put out by the American Iron of days gone by....
also heard this from a Regional Manager one night sharing a dinner table at a Restaurant....
of all of the Harleys that are picked up at the factory on a tourist delivery program, where Harley arranges to ship the bikes back to the buyers home country after they have toured the USA with them... over 50% of them were shipped back to Japan....
the rest of the world, still loves good old American "Thunder"....
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1987 Buick Grand National I've had Benzs, Audis, Volvos, Jeeps, you-name-it, but my 87 Buick Grand National was the all time favorite. I loved telling people that I drove a Buick. Most thought that was a boring choice. Few followed up to find out that in 1987, it was the fastest production car after a special edition Porsche. No joke, my kids were afraid to drive it. Almost forgot to mention, the informal motto of the brand was "We brake for Corvettes." One of my great-uncles helped build the 1950s Buick Wildcat concept cars. Would have been an awesome car had Chevy not nixed it. 1954 Wildcat II: 1953 Wildcat found and restored! 1953 Buick Wildcat always thought when I see pics of those... wonder what the inner fender paint job would look like after 10,000 miles of every day street driving? half the paint would be long gone... and would certainly be a rust bucket come the first winter... but it would sure look cool up to that point...
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right behind ya on that one... in green or blue.. white strips and black interior, 4 speed and buckets... I hate to see those with bench seats and an automatic on the column....
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