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Nice looking gun. Like the open sights also. Been looking for a new slug gun. How do you think the Browning compares to the Savage? The quality is far superior to that of a Savage, price is higher also Mine is an original model when Browning reintroduced them they missed the boat by not making them in 20 ga
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Thanks for the reply. As a Browning owner I understand about the pricing, don't mind it if it shows in the quality.
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Savage Smokeless muzzleloaders work just fine with BP or BP subs. true, but why would you use that crap? ruins guns, cost an arm and a leg, lousy accuracy. I would NEVER use anything but smokeless powder in my Savage Muzzleloader.
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I'm sure I'm repeating some posts, but not going to wade through over a hundred of them not to be redundant. Savage is the answer to this question.
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If you decide against the Savage 220, get a Savage ML. More pricey, but they hold their value well and are nearly as accurate as the slug gun. Possibly more accurate (by a meaningless amount) if you have the time, components, and patience to find the right load combo. Oh! Use smokeless powder. I recommend N105 or N110 depending on bullet weight.
the very first load tried in my savage muzzleloader gave me 1.5" groups at 200yds when started at 2100+FPS. Like to see a shotgun equal that.
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My shotgun will shoot a 5 shot 3" group at 200 yds . I'll take the extra 1 1/2" and the 7 minutes less time it takes to do it
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A muzzleloader IS a rifle. I never said CF. A good muzzy is more accurate and better handling than any shotgun IMO...... If you're talking about smooth bore shotguns, I agree with you. I have a scoped H&R Ultra slug Hunter with a fully rifled heavy bull barrel. It really is a 12 ga sabot rifle more than it is a shotgun, Muzzleloader more accurate than a dedicated slug gun????? that's just crazy talk. A slug gun properly set up will shoot small enough group to easily take deer at 200 yards. If your ML shoots tighter than that it doesnt matter anyway, a 2 inch group has absolutely no benefit over a 3 inch group at 200 yards Some areas will allow slug shooting but off limits to rifles.
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Crazy talk? No, not really. Why would say that? What possibly would make a slug gun more inherently accurate in your mind than a simple in-line ML?
Look a few pages back, you'll see the last 3 shots I took with my ML at something that didn't have a heart beat. 3/4" at 150 yds. Let me guess, your H&R will do that well or better, right?
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My shotgun will shoot a 5 shot 3" group at 200 yds . I'll take the extra 1 1/2" and the 7 minutes less time it takes to do it Never Needed more than one shot at any range. It also only cost me about $.50 per shot and I get about 155 shots per pound of powder. How many shots can you get for a $50 bill? $2-$3/shot for a modern shotgun sabot round doesn't give you many. My gun also recoils like a 308. anyway you look at it, the Savage muzzleloader is cheap to shoot, as accurate as a modern rifle, and deadly at any sane range.
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Crazy talk? No, not really. Why would say that? What possibly would make a slug gun more inherently accurate in your mind than a simple in-line ML?
Look a few pages back, you'll see the last 3 shots I took with my ML at something that didn't have a heart beat. 3/4" at 150 yds. Let me guess, your H&R will do that well or better, right?
Close enough for me
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What this all boils down to is use what you are comfortable with,heck I use every thing(slug gun,in line,traditional and pistol),I'll hunt with my shot gun, muzzleloaders or pistol durning the regular shotgun/rifle season
They all work depending on how you hunt and what you wanna do
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Agreed.
Everyone has their likes /dislikes for different reasons. I would NEVER use a slug gun, but that is just me. 5 Shots in 3" @ 200yds is more than good, admittedly. Just not my cup of mud........
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slumlord is trying to talk me into a savage 220 for hunting on ft Campbell
I like my cva Kodiak promag in .45
I also like his savage smokeless
fords and chevys blondes and brunettes Winchesters and remingtons
it is all what works out best for you as the shooter
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I think its all good. Just another reason to buy a new gun. One thing I really like about muzzleloaders though is there is not any FFL crap and still get a nice powerful weapon.
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I've used both a shotgun and muzzle loader in Iowa. For me, the only advantage of a muzzle loader was small increase in range.
But 99% of the time, a quality shotgun, with quality slugs worked well. With the advantage of having multiple shots available over the muzzle loader.
Where I hunt in Iowa (Jackson County) almost all shots were less than 100 yards.
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How about receiver mounted rifle scopes when the barrel is separate? I am wondering how accurate a set up like this can be on a slug gun? I guess the cantilever barrel mounts are better, but those things look flimsy as well.
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i've shot shotguns with mounting cantilever and receiver no problem never had them get move.I've tried the saddlemount so you don't drill the gun.I personally don't care for them i like a more solid mount.
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So scope on the receiver, barrel separate shoots as good as cantilevered scope mount.
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So scope on the receiver, barrel separate shoots as good as cantilevered scope mount. That hasnt been my experience, nor my observation of a few friends and family members.
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Never cared for cantilever mounting, don't care for removable barrels on a dedicated slug gun either
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I will use both as required. Given a choice, I will take my Ithaca Deerslayer.
For serious deer hunting the rifled barrel, a scout scope and Winchester or Hornady Sabots is usable to 200 yards.
For does in rangeland with some draws a smoothbore Deerslayer barrel with a 2.5X Scout scope works for deer to 100 yards and pheasant inside 30 yards. 12 or 20 gauge works just fine. Ditto if I have filled my tag and am not allowed to hunt with a CF rifle larger than .224 cal.
This isn't the best state for Muzzle loaders. The rain makes it tough.
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