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It's odd. If a cop shows up and shoots a dog, he should've just kicked it. If a cop shows up and kicks a dog, it's his fault that the dog gets mad(der).
The easiest thing is to just not show up. Which requires people not calling the cops every time a dog runs down the road. That is kind of throwing the baby out with the bathwater too... If the real problem is dangerous dogs running at large in the city and public safety is at risk, what makes a police officer qualified to deal with the situation? The short answer is: Nothing. Cops do not get extensive training in animal control. Police should not have to deal with animals, or the ensuing public relations nightmares from sending untrained police to a situation in which they are not trained to deal with. The obvious solution is for city and county governments, or perhaps a cooperative dept. that serves all jurisdictions to have personnel on duty, or on call 24/7 to deal with animal control issues that affect public safety. Anyone agree? More government agencies is always a good solution for human nature type problems.
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The dog was wagging it's tail didn't look aggresssive? All I can say is "Dog Gone".....
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Why is it always the dog? I'd have a much better opinion of LEO's if they'd shoot a cat once in a while. Cats that don't scramble out of the way usually get stomped to death by cops rather than shot. For the cops here supporting the dog shooting cop, how is it that so many people whose jobs bring them into frequent contact with dogs, e.g., carpet cleaners, plumbers, dishwasher repairmen, etc., seem to be able to go through life without shooting people's dogs?
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A stupid cop. From the name, I suspect a stupid IRISH cop.
Tarek Hassani is an IRISH name?
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More government agencies is always a good solution for human nature type problems. Most places have some sort of animal control department. The problem is that they are not open after hours to deal with those situations. I'm just suggesting that there is enough of an animal problem nowadays to justify training them better, and bolstering their dept. to deal with those situations more effectively so that cops don't have to do it.
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I watched the footage and those dogs where not trying to lick the officer.
Maybe you saw different footage than I did.
These are my opinions, feel free to disagree.
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It's odd. If a cop shows up and shoots a dog, he should've just kicked it. If a cop shows up and kicks a dog, it's his fault that the dog gets mad(der).
The easiest thing is to just not show up. Which requires people not calling the cops every time a dog runs down the road. Given that cops are under no duty to show up to a call for assistance (911 or otherwise), the cop made the choice to show up, the choice to get out of the car, the choice to kick the dog, and the choice to shoot the dog without taking any other action. Shoot my dog, in my yard, and whether you are wearing a badge or not, you're going to get shot, as you are then a clear and present danger to me and my family while on my property without a warrant and without just cause. I don't think it will be long until that starts happening rather often in these situations. Well...it was nice knowing you, hopefully you won't be taking your family and friends with you.
These are my opinions, feel free to disagree.
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A stupid cop. From the name, I suspect a stupid IRISH cop.
Tarek Hassani is an IRISH name? I can't be expected to point out satire in advance to one segment [Loc: Middle West ] of our membership which takes most everything seriously . But... I'll try to do better.
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I agree 100%. In a neighborhood setting you should keep your dog up. It's the dog owners fault for letting them run loose in that environment.
"The world breaks everyone,and afterward, some are strong at the broken places" Hemingway
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I watched the footage and those dogs where not trying to lick the officer.
Maybe you saw different footage than I did. I didn't have to watch the video to consider that the cop was stupid, but within his rights. The picture shows a dog in an unfenced urban setting with no leash and owner present. Once more: An unrestrained dog is a feral dog as far as I'm concerned. Move the encounter into the owner's fenced back yard and I'd be in favor of the owner killing the cop.
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A stupid cop. From the name, I suspect a stupid IRISH cop.
Tarek Hassani is an IRISH name? I can't be expected to point out satire in advance to one segment [Loc: Middle West ] of our membership which takes most everything seriously . But... I'll try to do better. These come in mighty handy for midwest simpletons: LOL.
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Don't cops get any training when it come to dealing with dogs, other than just shooting them? I could have handled those dogs better, even without a firearm.
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I seen something like this 2 years ago when a cop stop at my neighbors house. The owner of the house raises pit bulls and has a fenced in yard and he lets his dogs run free in his yard all day. I have never seen one of his dogs run loose. The cop for what reason went to the back of the house, have no idea why he didn't use the front door. Maybe because of the dogs barking, and of course the dogs were barking, as most dogs would. My dog would. I watched the cop pull out his gun and shoot one of the dogs. Well he got more than he expected, the other 4 dogs jumped the fence and rip this cop a new azzhole. Wish I was video taping it. Cop try to say that the dog was coming at him in a aggressive manner, so he had no choice to shoot it. The dog was in the yard behind a 4' fence so not sure how aggressive a dog can be behind a 4'fence. Most dog will bark and become some what aggressive when someone they don't know comes around. The POS chief and DA tried cleared him of the shooting, protect there own, until I learned about it from my neighbor. I was in the front yard and seen everything that happen from the time the cop came up the road till he was taken away in the meat wagon. The neighbor had the excop charge with tresspassing.
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I personally would have NOT shot the dog, although I'm not a pansy that's frightened of dogs. Just swinging a stick would have kept that dog away. Simple answer - keep your pets up. No loose dogs - no problem.
Mark Mark, the dog was on it's property when shot. My Lab has an invisible fence & can go anywhere in the yard. Of coarse if the homeowner contacted the police, they should have put them away before the pansy cop arrived.
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Why is it always the dog? I'd have a much better opinion of LEO's if they'd shoot a cat once in a while. Gleaned this one from the thread - falls exactly in-line with my thinking on this topic. I'm just hoping all the LEOs on this site take note.
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If he's so afraid of a dog under those circumstances that he has to shoot it the little wuss needs to find another line of work. And then he looses control and almost pisses himself yelling at the owner.
What's next, shooting a kid at night because he had something shiny in his hand and the idiot thought he might get hurt?
The key elements in human thinking are not numbers but labels of fuzzy sets. -- L. Zadeh
Which explains a lot.
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Why is it always the dog? I'd have a much better opinion of LEO's if they'd shoot a cat once in a while. Cats that don't scramble out of the way usually get stomped to death by cops rather than shot. For the cops here supporting the dog shooting cop, how is it that so many people whose jobs bring them into frequent contact with dogs, e.g., carpet cleaners, plumbers, dishwasher repairmen, etc., seem to be able to go through life without shooting people's dogs? The answer to your question is easy, those people do not under intense mental and physical Gestapo training.
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Warren v. District of Columbia, 1981. Castle Rock v. Gonzales, 2005.
Both cases clearly state that "law enforcement" has no duty to respond and no duty to protect; only to investigate and solve crimes after the fact. Should I bother explaining that those cases deal with civil liability? Or explain that although the SCOTUS doesn't hold LE civilly liable for responding to individual calls or protecting individual citizens, they still have a duty to respond and protect?
your flippant remarks which you so adeptly sling
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"Should I bother explaining.... " Nope. [but you already knew THAT]
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Why is it always the dog? I'd have a much better opinion of LEO's if they'd shoot a cat once in a while. Cats that don't scramble out of the way usually get stomped to death by cops rather than shot. For the cops here supporting the dog shooting cop, how is it that so many people whose jobs bring them into frequent contact with dogs, e.g., carpet cleaners, plumbers, dishwasher repairmen, etc., seem to be able to go through life without shooting people's dogs? The answer to your question is easy, those people do not under intense mental and physical Gestapo training. No, the plumbers and such drive away and let the owner do his own plumbing, if a copper did that he would be crucified for not responding to the call.
These are my opinions, feel free to disagree.
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