A stupid cop. From the name, I suspect a stupid IRISH cop.

But, a dog that is not restrained in some manner is a feral dog as far as I'm concerned.

If it happened in a rural area, I'd conclude the dog WAS restrained, since he was on his owner's property. But, in town, a front yard is NOT a good confinement area, and the cop had a right to shoot him since he had been called out and was doing his job.

It's odd. If a cop shows up and shoots a dog, he should've just kicked it. If a cop shows up and kicks a dog, it's his fault that the dog gets mad(der).

The easiest thing is to just not show up. Which requires people not calling the cops every time a dog runs down the road.

Given that cops are under no duty to show up to a call for assistance (911 or otherwise), the cop made the choice to show up, the choice to get out of the car, the choice to kick the dog, and the choice to shoot the dog without taking any other action.

Shoot my dog, in my yard, and whether you are wearing a badge or not, you're going to get shot, as you are then a clear and present danger to me and my family while on my property without a warrant and without just cause. I don't think it will be long until that starts happening rather often in these situations.

It's odd. If a cop shows up and shoots a dog, he should've just kicked it. If a cop shows up and kicks a dog, it's his fault that the dog gets mad(der).

The easiest thing is to just not show up. Which requires people not calling the cops every time a dog runs down the road.

You sir, are an idiot.

lol....I think you should send a memo out to the cops, you just declared their job a whole lot easier.

And the best thing for your family is for you to shoot a stranger for shooting your dog?

That is kind of throwing the baby out with the bathwater too...

If the real problem is dangerous dogs running at large in the city and public safety is at risk, what makes a police officer qualified to deal with the situation? The short answer is: Nothing.

Cops do not get extensive training in animal control.

Police should not have to deal with animals, or the ensuing public relations nightmares from sending untrained police to a situation in which they are not trained to deal with.

The obvious solution is for city and county governments, or perhaps a cooperative dept. that serves all jurisdictions to have personnel on duty, or on call 24/7 to deal with animal control issues that affect public safety.

Anyone agree?

Why is it always the dog?
I'd have a much better opinion of LEO's if they'd shoot a cat once in a while.

A stupid cop. From the name, I suspect a stupid IRISH cop.

More government agencies is always a good solution for human nature type problems.

Given that cops are under no duty to show up to a call for assistance (911 or otherwise), the cop made the choice to show up, the choice to get out of the car, the choice to kick the dog, and the choice to shoot the dog without taking any other action.

Shoot my dog, in my yard, and whether you are wearing a badge or not, you're going to get shot, as you are then a clear and present danger to me and my family while on my property without a warrant and without just cause. I don't think it will be long until that starts happening rather often in these situations.

Tarek Hassani is an IRISH name?

I watched the footage and those dogs where not trying to lick the officer.


Maybe you saw different footage than I did.

I can't be expected to point out satire in advance to one segment [Loc: Middle West ] of our membership which takes most everything seriously .

But... I'll try to do better.

Simple answer - keep your pets up.
No loose dogs - no problem.

Mark

Why is it always the dog?
I'd have a much better opinion of LEO's if they'd shoot a cat once in a while.

Cats that don't scramble out of the way usually get stomped to death by cops rather than shot.

For the cops here supporting the dog shooting cop, how is it that so many people whose jobs bring them into frequent contact with dogs, e.g., carpet cleaners, plumbers, dishwasher repairmen, etc., seem to be able to go through life without shooting people's dogs?

Warren v. District of Columbia, 1981.
Castle Rock v. Gonzales, 2005.

Both cases clearly state that "law enforcement" has no duty to respond and no duty to protect; only to investigate and solve crimes after the fact.

The answer to your question is easy, those people do not under intense mental and physical Gestapo training.

I could have sworn that most LEO are armed with some type of pepper spray? Is that not correct?


granted since it's a dog, it's a bit down the totem pole from the theater shooting.

but still for all the chit he gets here from some I thought TRH raised a valid point. ergo HTF do all these other folks do their jobs that have to go into other's folks yards, fuel delivery drivers, postmen etc. and NOT end up shooting folks animals?


It just makes nine kinds of sense to me, that while you might want your weapon in your shooting hand, that it might be prudent when you heard the barking to have the pepper spray in the other and give the dog a blast to see if that sent him on his merry way.


do LEO not routinely carry pepper spray now that Tazers are in such vogue?


it just seems a reasonable solution to me.

Pepper spray kills people. Tasers don't. There is only so much room on a belt.

Not quite correct, a young fellow here in NSW went toes up from Tasers some short time ago.

Should I bother explaining that those cases deal with civil liability? Or explain that although the SCOTUS doesn't hold LE civilly liable for responding to individual calls or protecting individual citizens, they still have a duty to respond and protect?

Cop has a PA system in his car. Why couldn't he just get on it and yell profanity on it to get the dog owner out and get his dogs under control. Turn on his sireen maybe if that didn't work?

No, the plumbers and such drive away and let the owner do his own plumbing, if a copper did that he would be crucified for not responding to the call.

but still for all the chit he gets here from some I thought TRH raised a valid point. ergo HTF do all these other folks do their jobs that have to go into other's folks yards, fuel delivery drivers, postmen etc. and NOT end up shooting folks animals?

There are plenty folks teaching school, selling stuff and working in industry that were poor policemen. We wash out about 10% per year.

wow Lt. Pat I had no idea that pepper spray was so lethal!


I'm guessing it's most often when it's deployed on an asthmatic person?

learn something new every day


speaking of which, do they ever taze animals? That'd be apt to take the starch out of Fido I reckon!

Should I bother explaining that at NO point has the SCOTUS held that LEOs have any duty to respond or protect, and that those cases while dealing with civil liability on point are the binding precedent on those actions?

Probably not, as it goes against the party line. Cops have no duty to respond and no duty to protect.

Not from "just" a taser. Whatever the other malfunctions, pepper kills them way more often.

Cop has a PA system in his car. Why couldn't he just get on it and yell profanity on it to get the dog owner out and get his dogs under control. Turn on his sireen maybe if that didn't work?

If you have ever been bitten by a dog that size, you might have a different idea about what a friendly dog really is...

Evidently the answer was no.

If you have ever been bitten by a dog that size, you might have a different idea about what a friendly dog really is...

I can relate since I was attacked by a pit bull (and had to kill it), but this just sickens me. That lab was no threat to the pos officer. He kicked at it to instigate it and it did not attack. That POS needs to lose his job..

they still have a duty to respond and protect?

Look at this as a training tool. No...not in dog shootin', but as a reminder of the mindset that's under the bed.

Taking civil liability out of the picture and absent a specific statute where do you find that?

Hmmm...trading a misdemeanor for a capital offense. I had a talk with a teenager about that yesterday.

Hmmm...trading a misdemeanor for a capital offense. I had a talk with a teenager about that yesterday.

Look, I offered. If you don't want me to explain it, all you have to do is say so.

In the job description. Kinda like a doctor's 'sposed to do no harm, but still sticks his finger up your ass.

Clear and present danger to my life and that of my family. The alternative is to hope that the violence ceases on its own and that the aggressor doesn't shoot me or mine next.

You might be willing to take that bet; I'm not, especially when the aggressor has already shown a propensity for violence, is armed, and clearly not acting in a rational manner while showing me that he is a threat to me and mine. The badge isn't a excuse to commit crimes, nor is it a justification for violence against others. Clearly this is not a thought among some in the LEO community (the POS in the video who will quite likely not lose his job).

You can't explain what you don't understand. Your position is erroneous in both fact and law.

Please offer citations from SCOTUS cases that establish your position counter to Warren and Castle Rock. You won't be able to, as they don't exist.

You need to understand that more and more you're gonna see folks like me shooting folks like you.

And by the way, I'm not the enemy....OK?

Of course if somebody posted a video of a cop running to his car from a lab and cursing on his PA, everybody here would have laughed at him for being a coward and "why didn't he just kick the dog".

Talk to Bluedreaux...you're way to smart for me. I'll just frustrate you.

So after the cops kill you or you're fried or you're in prison for forever and ever, I'm sure your family will rest easy knowing that you avenged Fido.

In the job description. Kinda like a doctor's 'sposed to do no harm, but still sticks his finger up your ass.

So.....that's a no?

Good grief, and you lot whinge about the leftists being a pack of bambi-ists.

Do I need to wear orange on our next dove hunt?

I have been around dogs, horse, cow, etc all of my life and IMHO that dog did not need to be shot. I would not have kicked at him nor would I have shot him.

Cats that don't scramble out of the way usually get stomped to death by cops rather than shot.

For the cops here supporting the dog shooting cop, how is it that so many people whose jobs bring them into frequent contact with dogs, e.g., carpet cleaners, plumbers, dishwasher repairmen, etc., seem to be able to go through life without shooting people's dogs?

Of course not, remember...I'm not the enemy.

And I'm gonna be ready for this year. I'm gonna practice and practice and practice, then bring a bunch of extra shells.

I haven't met an expert rifleman yet that was worth a shyt with a shotgun...though most think they are.

So apply to the cop force and show everyone how the job should really be done.

I donor need to join a police force to have an opinion. My life experience with animals is valid and that dog should not have been shot.

Hmmm. I can't really believe the attitudes on this thread. Some of you ought to ashamed of yourselves and if you are threatening anyone, especially LEO doing their jobs, then you probably shouldn't own firearms. No wonder North American society is in such a rapid decline.

First off, this is the case of a bad dog owner. Those dogs were not controlled in any fashion and contravened dog at large laws. It is hard to tell for sure what the lab was doing, but two large dogs were harassing the officer. He did yell at the dogs and try to shoo them away. Where was the owner? His dogs are aggressively barking and a person yelling and he doesn't come investigate. Like I said, a bad owner caused this incident.

I'm not sure whether the officer needed to shoot the dog. I did animal control work for 10 years and was in this situation many times. Never got bit (some articles of clothing were perforated though). The second large dog definitely complicates things. One dog no problem. Much harder with two. I think the LEO could have gotten to the door without shooting the dog, however I wasn't there and the video does not show things perfectly. I understand the LEO is leery having been sent to the ER before by a dog bite.

We weren't armed, but there is only one time where I would have shot a dog. It went berserk and I thought my physical safety was at risk in a confined area. If I had the City Police 40 cal Glock, no doubt I would of used it on that dog. You had to be there. Think "CUJO".

Anyways, if the dog owner had contained his dogs, LEO wouldn't have been there in the first place. If the dog owner had of responded to his dogs barking and the LEO yelling, the LEO wouldn't have shot the dog. Bad dog owner.

You need to understand that more and more you're gonna see folks like me shooting folks like you.

The answer to your question is easy, those people do not [receive] intense mental and physical Gestapo training.

No, the plumbers and such drive away and let the owner do his own plumbing, if a copper did that he would be crucified for not responding to the call.

Yep, owner should have his animals under control at all time. My neighbor has a pit. Nice friendly dog. On his side of the fence.
Now
Why all these dog shootings lately?
What's fueling them?
Seems like it's automatic to plug any dog on sight.
It's gonna come and bite you cops in the ass pretty soon. Pun intended.

The cop is a pussy and the owner is a dumbass. New dogs are born everyday.

Officer Tarek Hassani came to his home on Jacklyne Circle on complaints of dogs running at-large.

He shot the 7-year-old black labrador, �Hooch,� Clubb said, though it showed no aggressive behavior.

Clubb said he suffers Parkinson�s disease, and Hooch was his trained service animal.

Just to add, in my neighborhood...if a neighbor's dog gets out, we just catch it and bring it back to the family. If they are away, then we care for it until they get back.

My dad used to do the same when I was a boy, regardless of the pet - dog, horse, cow.

It's called being neighborly, do unto others and such...an idea often lost in America's urban jungles.

Just to add, in my neighborhood...if a neighbor's dog gets out, we just catch it and bring it back to the family. If they are away, then we care for it until they get back.

My dad used to do the same when I was a boy, regardless of the pet - dog, horse, cow.

It's called being neighborly, do unto others and such...an idea often lost in America's urban jungles.

Pepper spray kills people. Tasers don't. There is only so much room on a belt.

If he was scared how hard was it to get back in his car, and have dispatch call the house and tell the folks to put up that dog?

Just to add, in my neighborhood...if a neighbor's dog gets out, we just catch it and bring it back to the family. If they are away, then we care for it until they get back.

My dad used to do the same when I was a boy, regardless of the pet - dog, horse, cow.

It's called being neighborly, do unto others and such...an idea often lost in America's urban jungles.

Y'all have DQs way up there? Heck, I might come visit after all.

There are no Whataburgers in Montana. Maybe they've got Luby's.

The Texas Legislature has proclaimed Whataburger an official state treasure.

It was a ridiculous waste of time and tax payer money, but I can't bring myself to complain about it. After all, it's Whataburger.

Simple answer - keep your pets up.
No loose dogs - no problem.

Mark

That officer knows nothing of dogs and their behavior.

That is usually the root cause of fear, and could be applied to many of our posters regarding many subjects.

Pat,
I suspect if you would have been called there would be a happy outcome for all.

Same ole Shcit. A POS COP, and every cop here defending his actions. I'd of at the very least kicked the pchukkk out of him, and in short order. He'd of wished he was bitten...

Same ole Shcit. A POS COP, and every cop here defending his actions.

Prove it.

Don't cops get any training when it come to dealing with dogs, other than just shooting them? I could have handled those dogs better, even without a firearm.

How did this babbling idiot pass his psych test? Think he could be a hazard to society with his paranoia

Your avatar does.

... you can bet I would have got out of there without doing something that would create paperwork.

Seldom in the cop business is everybody made happy, but thanks you for the props and you can bet I would have got out of there without doing something that would create paperwork.

140 lb. Pitbull?

If he can't handle a dog then hr likely can't handle people.

You could save some time by constructing a signature line that says "I am ignorant." and leaving your post's blank.

140 lb. Pitbull?

I've been around dogs specifically labs my whole life and trained them for close to 20 years. Nothing apparent in that video shows an aggressive dog. They were both wagging their tails and bouncing around.

The previous poster had it right, slow the [bleep] down, talk to the dog calmly and give it a chance to smell you, maybe a pat or 2 And head for the door.

The yelling and kicking of the dog only slum it up more but I don't see where it pinned its ears or advanced on the officer or in any way acted threatening. Hell it was barking but still wagging its tail and backing up.

Nope I see nothing threatening whatsoever. That said none of us know that dog or its owners history which may have warranted more caution. Also the dog shouldnt be let to run free.

I don't have fences on my front yard nor underground fencing but every one of my dogs knows they leave my lawn its their ass. Hell thrown a steak or ball on the sidewalk and they still won't leave my yard without permission.

That officer needs to be pulled off the streets for sure. If he can't handle a dog then hr likely can't handle people.

I also am damn sure that every LEO on this site would have handled that situation completely opposite of what was shown and the result would have been the dog put up safely and the owner dealt with and not a round fired.

I also am damn sure that every LEO on this site would have handled that situation completely opposite of what was shown and the result would have been the dog put up safely and the owner dealt with and not a round fired.

Yeah, I was stunned by that too. A hundred pound Pitbull is considered a freakish giant for the breed. My 70 pound male was considered huge by Pitbull standards.

Yup, named "Thor". Looked big as a horse when he came around the corner of the porch and latched onto me. No growling, no barking, just there and teeth embedded.

A friend of mine who owns an auto repair shop in Anchorage has one that big, too. His name is "Zeus".

They can be bred big.

Ed

"And what do you do when the neighborhood dog doesn't get out, but is let out... everyday to roam the hood and crap where they please?"

Well, that hasn't happened in our neighborhood in the 5 years we've lived here.

We actually get along with our neighbors, we share more than property lines.

That is because all of us are outdoorsmen, most of us have hunting dogs and some of us are professional dog handlers. None of that is a prerequsite to being a LEO.

Lt,

If you were this guy's superior, what would you do now? What do you think the dept. should do?

-Steve

That aside, the real blame is on the dog owner. You can't have dogs running loose in a suburb, it's not only against the law but also irresponsible. Accidents happen, but it seems he knew they were outside loose. Furthermore, if you know your dogs are outside unrestrained and you hear them barking their azzes off you better get your lazy loser self out there and see what's going on.





Whataburger rules.

Here's a typical Presa Canario. They look like huge Pitbulls.

Exactly..Why wasnt the owner checking out what all the ruckus was about.. I suspect the neighbors all want to buy the cop dinner..Cuz the dogs owner was obviously an oblivious POS.. At the end of the day, the cop certainly didnt have to shoot the dog, but its one less pain in the azz running loose in the neighborhood..Glad i live out in the sticks

A1 burger please!

Lt,

If you were this guy's superior, what would you do now? What do you think the dept. should do?

-Steve

What a pos officer. That dog didn't try to bite him. You shoot my dog like that in my front yard and I will be going to jail and you will be going to the hospital if not worse. He was rational at the end might have wanted to try that at the beginning. Kicking at a dog isn't going to help your cause.

First gather all the facts, then if it were determined that the guy screwed up, forward it to be investigated thoroughly by our IAD Division (which means sworn statements by all parties involved) and then to our Disciplinary Review Board, where they make a recommendation to the COP, who has ultimate authority. Of course, if the guy is a "loose cannon", I'd send him home 'til that decision was rendered. As I've stated many times before, 10% of all LEO's are gonna get canned, and are just waiting for the chance to show their stripes.

That is kind of throwing the baby out with the bathwater too...

If the real problem is dangerous dogs running at large in the city and public safety is at risk, what makes a police officer qualified to deal with the situation? The short answer is: Nothing.

Cops do not get extensive training in animal control.

Police should not have to deal with animals, or the ensuing public relations nightmares from sending untrained police to a situation in which they are not trained to deal with.

The obvious solution is for city and county governments, or perhaps a cooperative dept. that serves all jurisdictions to have personnel on duty, or on call 24/7 to deal with animal control issues that affect public safety.

Anyone agree?

I've been thinking about a DQ ice cream cone all afternoon.

Strawberry Sunday and a chili dog w/ onions.

Strawberry Sunday and a chili dog w/ onions.

Yep, owner should have his animals under control at all time. My neighbor has a pit. Nice friendly dog. On his side of the fence.
Now
Why all these dog shootings lately?
What's fueling them?
Seems like it's automatic to plug any dog on sight.
It's gonna come and bite you cops in the ass pretty soon. Pun intended.

It's not just cops. People are sick of stray and uncontrollable dogs.

I almost had to shoot one about three weeks ago. My patience is the only thing that kept the owner from having a dead dog.

And strangely enough, that very same day two stray pitbulls were shotgunned not more than 5 miles from where my incident took place.


Travis

Probably either a pure Presa Canario or a half Pitbull half Presa Canario.

Here's a typical Presa Canario. They look like huge Pitbulls.

THAT, is one muscular sob!

Probably either a pure Presa Canario or a half Pitbull half Presa Canario.

Here's a typical Presa Canario. They look like huge Pitbulls.

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One less dog.....what's the problem again?

Then there's the fact that your dog is too small for him to azz-shoot. You're good.......

George

Lt,

If you were this guy's superior, what would you do now? What do you think the dept. should do?

-Steve

The cop is a total coward that hides behind a gun.

The cop is a total coward that hides behind a gun. It is no wonder some people intensely hate cops.

Somebody needs to plug you,the world would be a nicer place.

He's pretty ripped.

You just say that because your life sucks.


Travis

I don't think there's a member here who wouldn't stick up for their dog.

A good friend of mine has one and those dogs are absolutely gorgeous. Pretty impressive to see up close.


Travis

I haven't met an expert rifleman yet that was worth a shyt with a shotgun...though most think they are.

http://www.topbluekennels.com/

I need to arrange for you to meet Paladin [David].

Anybody that hates somebody they don't know is a moron.

Uh oh.

How much disdain am I allowed to have? I'm treading on thin ice here.

Uh oh.

How much disdain am I allowed to have? I'm treading on thin ice here.

Real men don't need big dogs to compensate for their inadequacy.

We stopped at a Florida DQ on our way to Disney and the fools DIDN'T HAVE STEAK FANGERS!!!!!!! When she saw the appalled look on my face the girl asked, "You're from Texas aren't you? They always look like that after they ask for steak fingers." (She pronounced it "fingers" instead of "fangers", which looking back on it might have been the source of our confusion.)

By they did have quesadillas...... "Whoa, wait. I started out a few hours from Meheekoh and we had steak fangers and no kaysuhdillus. Then I drove all cotton pickin day to Florida and now DareEKuWeen has dog gone Messcan food and NO STEAK FANGERS?" ------ "Yes sir. That's correct. That's the question y'all always ask right after you get that look on your face you just had."

Wow...how'd I miss that? That high tide effect is really on.

When the POS cop got the front door he said " I just shot your dog". The correct statement would have been " I had to shot your dog to protect my self, he intended to shoot the dog as soon as he exited his cruiser. Then he verbally intimidated/threatened the dog owner after telling him he shot his dog. Really!!!

Anyone have any idea where this happened and what police dept this POS worked for?? I am just livid on this incident.

Doc

When the POS cop got the front door he said " I just shot your dog". The correct statement would have been " I had to shot your dog to protect my self, he intended to shoot the dog as soon as he exited his cruiser. Then he verbally intimidated/threatened the dog owner after telling him he shot his dog. Really!!!

Anyone have any idea where this happened and what police dept this POS worked for?? I am just livid on this incident.

Doc

Once more:

An unrestrained dog is a feral dog as far as I'm concerned.

He exited his vehicle gun in hand. He had already made up his mind he was going to shoot a dog or two.

Good thread. Lots of death wishes.


Travis

Somebody needs to plug you,the world would be a nicer place.

Trust me....you're on my short list Mister. wink

I'd like that.

Twin Falls, ID

He likes to fire his gun
http://magicvalley.com/news/local/t...e0d52a0-468e-586e-b8b2-f6c61ab81c2e.html

Somebody needs to plug you,the world would be a nicer place.

the secret word.

Will PETA build a doggy monument?

It is going to be hilarious watching the usual suspects defend the cop when one of these days one of them shoots a dog in a crowded neighborhood like that and has the bullet ricochet into a bedroom and kill a kid.

So go join the cop force and shew them how it is done.

Wouldn't that be kind of like giving yourself a lobotomy to show people that being retarded isn't all that bad?

The dog I've got now is the first dog I've ever owned that I've kept fenced in. But I never lived in a place where people called the cops for a dog running around.

That's the most disturbing part of the whole thing to me.

Yeah, opinions are like bum holes...I have worked with and owned animals for the majority of my life as well (who cares), and I reckon the owner should have had the sense to not let his mongrels roam.

If so then you should know labs tendencies. No way in hell he should have shot that dog. No way

Indeed I do, there are two of them not one hundred yards away from me as I type, they are in the yard at the corner house and are the biggest, fattest, most vicious black bastards that have ever drawn breath...and the only reason they are still drawing breath is they cannot get over the fence to maul the kids and adults walking by on their way to the local school.
I have dealt with pits, healers, rotties , shepherds, mongrels, Dobermans...and nothing I have seen are as nasty as those two, and the first time I see them out I am going to kill them.

BS labs aren't viscous, just as I thought you are clueless

Well good for you, not only do you know it all...your vision is good enough to see several thousand miles.

...and you managed to do so in the dark!

A Pennsylvania child is recovering today after being attacked by a black lab in Bucks County. Although the attack took place several days ago, 15-month-old John Heller was re-admitted to the hospital Tuesday night after his cuts became infected.

The child was playing with his mother in James Memorial Park when a stray dog, described as a black lab or black lab mix, emerged from the nearby woods and began to bite the young boy. The dog finally released its grip after being kicked by the fiance' of the child's mother.

The boy is expected to be released from the hospital Thursday, however, he must now undergo a series of rabies shots. His mother has stated that the child may also need plastic surgery depending on how his wounds heal.

Despite a neighborhood canvas, police have not been able to locate the dog. Officials are asking for anyone with information on the animal or its owner to please contact the Pennridge police department at 215-257-5104.

Animal advocates have pointed to this recent incident as proof that any dog, regardless of breed, can pose a risk if not properly trained and supervised. While fringe groups comprised of supporters of breed specific legislation have been quite vocal in espousing the statistically incorrect belief that pit bull type dogs are more likely than other breeds to display aggression toward humans, a series of recent attacks involving other breeds has reinforced the stance held by most animal welfare and veterinary organizations that any breed is capable of biting when human negligence factors into the equation.

Several husky breed dogs have made headlines in recent months for preventable attacks on children, including two fatalities which involved unmonitored huskies being left alone with infants. In July, two-year-old Lucy Harris received numerous stitches after being attacked by a Labrador collie whose owner had accidentally allowed the dog to escape from her home. Fifteen-month-old Liana Lindsey suffered numerous bite wounds to the face after being mauled by an unsupervised seven pound Yorkshire terrier in August. Just this Monday, six-year-old Cheyenne Weastell of Britain was hospitalized after being attacked by a loose dog described to be a shepherd mix.

Although science proves that the majority of dogs are non-aggressive and extremely loyal to humans, research suggests that a host of factors can cause an animal to bite. Results from a recent Australian study showed that unaltered dogs are three times more likely to bite a human than an animal that is spayed or neutered. The same study found that chained dogs are three times more likely to bite than unchained dogs. After reviewing data from reported bite cases, researchers concluded that the majority of these dog bites could be prevented by better training and adult supervision of children with dogs.

While the recent incident involving John Heller shows no fault whatsoever on his guardian's end, the fact that black labs do not commonly live in the wild suggests that the attacking dog did belong to a human at one time. Any persons with information on the individual who was responsible for the animal are encouraged to contact the Pennridge police department.

Here you go, one in your neck of the woods...but it cannot really have happened as you know better.


...don't you.

Link to lab mauling child




And I am not your friend, you don't make the grade.

The child was playing with his mother in James Memorial Park when a stray dog, described as a black lab or black lab mix, emerged from the nearby woods and began to bite the young boy. The dog finally released its grip after being kicked by the fiance' of the child's mother.

And neither that or any other of the news clippings on the internet have any bearing on the fact that the dogs up the road are vicious.
But you go right on in your belief that they aren't.

I didn't say they were or were not viscous you are now putting words in my mouth.

BS labs aren't viscous, just as I thought you are clueless

No...YOU did that.




And by stating that you called me a liar, and have done so without ever having seen the dogs yourself.


Good on yah!

That cop knows nothing about dogs or how to interact with them

What exactly is your definition of unrestrained?

I must be slipping as I actually read your drivel, bored I guess.


Any time you would like to test your theory about the dogs or my own disposition I would be very pleased to oblige you.

I live in Hay New South Wales and am the only JSTUART in town.

You are slow...okay.

"Sir, I believe that you are mistaken in your belief" is questioning.

"BS labs aren't viscous, just as I thought you are clueless", is most definitely calling into question my honesty, particularly when you have not seen the animals in question.

Now please be nice and go play in the sand pit with the other children.

You talk real big from the security of extreme distance.

What a clown!

No the statement does not call into question your honesty, it calls into question your knowledge of animals. You posted a link to back up your claim of viscous labs and the dog in the link was a mixed breed not a lab
Again labs are vicious in my 63 years not talk mixed breeds you ALS stated that the 2 you spoke of are behind a fence. Are if they are mixed breeds then any thing is possible. You take a lot for granted.

Why don't you just let it go.

I think this cop should take a stroll around Browning, MT.


Travis

The locals would take care of that retarded cop in no time.


I don't mind a few (harmless)stray dogs roaming around town. And Lord knows we have a few.


Helps to keep yuppie, outta state transplants from moving into town.

I'll take Rez dogs over bitchy lib transplants any day!

The locals would take care of that retarded cop in no time.


I don't mind a few (harmless)stray dogs roaming around town. And Lord knows we have a few.


Helps to keep uppity, yuppie, outta state transplants from moving into town.

I'll take Rez dogs over bitchy lib transplants any day!

... bitchy lib transplants any day!

I always laugh when I drive through Browning. I have never seen so many stray dogs in my life as I see in that town. They all seem pretty docile, but holy schit... there are gobs of them.


Travis

I always laugh when I drive through Browning. I have never seen so many stray dogs in my life as I see in that town. They all seem pretty docile, but holy schit... there are gobs of them.


Travis

Here's a story on one of those vicious Chesapeakes
http://articles.baltimoresun.com/20...icer-police-officer-officer-rodney-price
Just too many of these executions happening. It's going to turn out bad for some cop soon

I ain't reading a link, but you just showed how much you know about dogs.

Because at the moment you are amusing, slow, but amusing...particularly when you have not seen the animals in question.

Fair enough, but I've never seen my dogs on a bite NOT wag their tails.

George

I always laugh when I drive through Browning. I have never seen so many stray dogs in my life as I see in that town. They all seem pretty docile, but holy schit... there are gobs of them.

That and a box of Twinkies would probably handle anything they would encounter in Oregon.

There are as many azzhole dogs, of all breeds, as there are azzhole owners.

Calling me slow is akin to calling Carl Lewis slow a look in the mirror will do wonders
Again I said labs aren't know for being viscous and you don't seem to differentiate them from mixed breeds

BS labs aren't viscous, just as I thought you are clueless

Not only are you slow you seem to have a bad memory.

In my limited experience the barking dog is rarely anything to worry about. It is the snarling dog or worse yet, the dog that makes no sound at all that you have to worry about.

I was jogging recently and a dog came out of its yard and was right on top of me before it ever barked and/or growled and would have gotten me in the arse if I hadn't seen it at the last moment and kind of hopped. We had a standoff for 30 seconds or so and it finally retreated. I continued on jogging, and a 150 yards down the road or so looked back just to make sure. That joker was coming at me as fast as he could with his ears and tail down making no sound whatsoever. I turned around and went at him and he retreated. THAT was a dog that would have bitten me.

Barking dogs, I ignore.

If that officer would have held his cool and let the dog smell him things would have worked out much more harmonious for all concerned. I have been around more aggressive dogs than that and did not need to shoot them

That and a box of Twinkies would probably handle anything they would encounter in Oregon.

That is the thing, dogs are dumb animals. They don't know that when the officer is posturing and acting threatening that they are about to get shot, they only know that when someone acts that way, they need to act as big and bad as they can to scare off the intruder. Dumb meets dumb and the dumb with the gun wins.

Why is it always the dog?
I'd have a much better opinion of LEO's if they'd shoot a cat once in a while.

It always helps to talk to dogs, whether you are being threatening and asserting your dominance or talking softly to let them know you are not a threat. Either will work in certain situations, but just standing there and looking threatening is guaranteed to get the kind of response you saw in that video.

I remember clearly, but coming to a logical conclusion isn't your strong suite I see

On the contrary, I have concluded that you can neither correct nor admit your mistakes, you have an overblown regard for your supposed "Carl Lewis" intellect...and you don't know shyte about biting dogs.


Have a nice life, I am going to bed.

Dumb meets dumb and the dumb with the gun wins.

Where I live most if not all let their dogs run lose some are extremely large and they don't seem to get shot.

A guy who lives in my brother's neighborhood found out that there are different rules for cops and regular people.

There was a neighbor's dog who kept getting out and getting into his yard and acting aggressively. He talked to the neighbor about it to no avail. After that, he talked to the cops and they did nothing. Then, one day said dog bites his five year old daughter while she is in her own yard. So, the guy does what any red blooded American does and chases that dog down and shoots his arse dead right there.

Guy was charged with felony cruelty to animals.

Not under the owner's control, of course.

My dog is in my backyard right now. It has an 8' metal fence on the sides and back. When I take her out of there, she is on a leash even though she responds to my voice commands about as well as any dog I know.

If a cop shoots her, he is clearly trespassing or shooting a leashed dog.

I think this cop should take a stroll around Browning, MT.

If that officer would have held his cool and let the dog smell him things would have worked out much more harmonious for all concerned. I have been around more aggressive dogs than that and did not need to shoot them

I always thought lot of stray dogs was a Southern thing, leastways dead dogs on the highway are more common in the South.

I figured it was because of climate; hard winters knocking out stray dogs and cats in cold climates.

I could be wrong I guess.

Birdwatcher

Between walking my own dogs and now, bicycling, I run into a lot of loose dogs down here too. A lot of 'em growl and bark, very few try to press home an attack.

I call 'em all "Rover" and talk to them. Usually body language and loud "NO!" and "BAD DOG!" makes 'em retreat if needed, or at least keep their distance. And on a bike, I always stop and confront them if'n theyr'e looking to chase me.

Having a 12oz can of bear spray in reserve doesn't hurt either. I've used bear spray seven or eight times over about the last twelve years, in most every case it was the sudden 20ft blast that appeared to startle and turn aside the inbound dog rather than the capsasin itself.

Always helps too to intitiate the confrontation early if the dog in question ain't seen you yet.

Birdwatcher

I'm not a cop hater, but that one should loose his job. The few bad apples who are leos are making all of them look bad. Aggressive black lab? I doubt it. I've never had one that wasn't extremely protective though if he thought someone was a threat. When the cop started kicking dogs he put the dog into protective "aggressive " mode himself. Maybe police just need to be trained better in dealing with dogs? I'm not sure but it's making them look very bad.

Between walking my own dogs and now, bicycling, I run into a lot of loose dogs down here too. A lot of 'em growl and bark, very few try to press home an attack.

I call 'em all "Rover" and talk to them. Usually body language and loud "NO!" and "BAD DOG!" makes 'em retreat if needed, or at least keep their distance. And on a bike, I always stop and confront them if'n theyr'e looking to chase me.

That dog is clearly vicious.

Mike,

Loose dogs in Alaska villages is a real problem. Enough that the locals will often shoot them on sight.

Ed

The White Mountain Apache Res. has the same problem with strays.

Its not just the shooting, but the unprofessional conduct he displayed to a citizen, dropping the f, bomb??? Really??? Yelling and rambling and wanting to "start over".

With his rationale that the dog was being aggressive and he had to shoot it, then Mr. Clubb should've shot Mr. Hassani for yelling and showing aggression.

Close but it's actually more like,,,, dumb ass calls cops on dumb ass neighbor who's letting his dumb ass dog run loose resulting in a dumb ass cop being dispatched who unnecessarily shoots the dumb ass dog,,, ultimately resulting in 30+ pages of dumb ass bickering and BS.

Sure makes me glad I live in a part of the country where people don't let vicious dogs run loose, don't freak out at the sight of a dog that isn't theirs, and (probably because it's a rural setting) realize they'll likely be confronted and held responsible for their actions whether it's letting their dogs trespass or shooting a neighbors pet.
Not doing chit to cause the cops (good or bad) to show up at your place goes a long way too.

I've got dogs running around my shack who's biggest danger are snakes, P-Pines, and getting run over running out to meet the UPS gal knowing that she travels with a pocket full of dog treats she uses to barter with threatening dogs. Some loud barking is usually all it takes to extract a treat or two from her but occasionally they'll have to resort to some aggressive tail wagging.

A very entertaining thread though so please don't stop on my account.

But in my opinion dog owners have become pretty discourteous in recent years.

Yeah, and some of them are a lot more aggressive than the guy in your story.

Three of my four dogs are dangerous. Two of them (Catahoulas) are animal aggressive and one (Aussie) is protective of his territory. It is my job to make sure they are where they are supposed to be.

Both of my parent's heelers have bit me. I always tell them that if they go before the dogs, I'm going to Benelli those [bleep].


Travis

...fortunately she had no teeth from playing with tennis balls (wore them down).

You've got some tough tennis balls down under.

Good dogs are very difficult to replace if not impossible.

I think the only reason that guy behaved the way he did was because I had kids with me, and I was armed.

Otherwise I would bet he was proud of that feral POS he calls a pet.


Travis

I hear heelers are really smart.

Nice.

They will look adorable when they're filled with some #4.



Travis

For the life of me I can't understand why anyone would keep a vicious dog around.

am thinking NOT tim, my guess is his brother was the kid they liked (griN)

Y'all might want to click on the original link. It's been updated with more info.

I wasn't in the cops shoes but it did appear the dogs weren't dangerous. My job requires me to be on or near property with dogs often. We carry Milkbones in the trucks as peace offerings. I've had numerous cases with dogs acting like that when we first show up. I just take my time and show them I mean no harm. Perhaps they can sense I'm a dog lover (I can hardly bring myself to shoot coyotes), but they always end up being friendly by the end of the day.

I've had several that got too friendly and would try to climb in the cab of the truck! We had one job we worked at off and on for a month or two and when the neighbor dogs (in this case three of them) heard the airbrakes set they would come tearing around the corner for their treats with big ass grins in their faces!

Anyway, the point I'm making is the cop could've handled it better but ultimately it's the douchbag owner's fault. As some on here have mentioned,show me a bad dog and I'll show you a worse human (owner)...

Given that cops are under no duty to show up to a call for assistance (911 or otherwise), the cop made the choice to show up, the choice to get out of the car, the choice to kick the dog, and the choice to shoot the dog without taking any other action.

Shoot my dog, in my yard, and whether you are wearing a badge or not, you're going to get shot, as you are then a clear and present danger to me and my family while on my property without a warrant and without just cause. I don't think it will be long until that starts happening rather often in these situations.

That was stupid on the officers part as much as the dog's owner. Dog should have been put up I agree, officer should be fired if he wasn't. Defend cops all you want, there are good and bad ones all the same. I've met several that I liked and some that are scum of the earth. People is all they are and vary just like the rest of us. Having a badge doesn't make them right.

I [bleep] hate loose dogs. In town or out of town. If it's your property I don't GAF, keep it there. If it's public land and you're hunting cool. Outside of that keep the [bleep] thing on a leash. Or go exercise your mutt somewhere nobody else has to deal with them.

I've had several that got too friendly and would try to climb in the cab of the truck!

I [bleep] hate loose dogs. In town or out of town. If it's your property I don't GAF, keep it there. If it's public land and you're hunting cool. Outside of that keep the [bleep] thing on a leash. Or go exercise your mutt somewhere nobody else has to deal with them.

No problem...long as your dog minds his manners. Runs up on somebody else in that "public" land that feels threatened, you are responsible for him getting shot.

The world (ie public land) is not your pet's litterbox or [bleep] playpen. You want fido? Awesome. Keep him on your property or on leash. Or go exercise him somewhere other people are unlikely to have to deal with him. Just because you think he's cute doesn't mean I will.

If it's public land, it's not against the law, and owner takes responsibility for actions then what is the problem?

Some people want it their way or the highway.

No problem at all. In theory it sounds great, but in practice the percentage of people that can actually control their animals off leash is small IME. And taking responsibility is good, even better when it's done before there's a problem involving the dog.

If somebody can't control their dog on leash, then I don't care as long as they don't let go of the leash!

The country is fool of prissy corksuckers that thing precious fido holds the same value as me. Or my family. I love my dogs, but dogs are dogs and they aren't people. That fact is lost on many, just read these dumbass threads.

If someone can hunt birds with a dog off the leash in October, they should be able to take him for walk in May.

Of course, I ain't talking hounds here....

Birdwatcher

His owner probably already does.

His owner probably already does.

As you've already said, people have started considering their dogs as part of their family, and it's crazy.

laughing



Anyone want a 'good' hound dog?

Come and get him.

No more crazy than considering an attack dog as a law enforcement officer.

Put me in the crazy camp. I like my dog better than some members of my family.

Runs up on somebody else in that "public" land that feels threatened, you are responsible for him getting shot.

No more crazy than considering an attack dog as a law enforcement officer.

Put me in the crazy camp. I like my dog better than some members of my family.

No more crazy than considering an attack dog as a law enforcement officer.

Put me in the crazy camp. I like my dog better than some members of my family.

Liking an animal more than a person is a sure sign of emotional immaturity.

Those cop dogs knew it was a dangerous job when they volunteered for it.

Well, Blue, you might feel otherwise if you met all of my family.

yaknow you got a point there, if some azzhat shoots a police dog doesn't the police dep't treat that with about the same severity as if you shot a uniformed policeman?


not sure but that could follow under that "two sets of different rules for different folks category"


and NO I'm not willing to shoot George's dog up in New Hampshire to find out!