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Actually, this is the funniest phikkkng post on the thread!

You call that civil?

I don't have a dog in this fight but Rac has put up a whole lot more information than you have! We are supposed to take your word that you are some sort of expert with "I would also say that I know more about barrel harmonics than you can even think of" Really? Really? With zero evidence other than your opinion.

That's a pretty high opinion of yourself.

How about post some creds to back it up?

Mike

'Nother Ladder Crasher...from today.



Kiss,find pressure and rock on.

Ain't hardly even "fair".

Laffin'!

So you're telling me every load for every rifle you own, the bullet is on the lands at Max pressure and it prints at long range with no vertical?

I don't think he said "kiss, max pressure, rock on"

Every LR load, at or near max pressure, yes. But I'm not biased, I've used the ladder and OCW methods to good effect as well. The kiss and stomp the throttle method has proven equally effective and quicker/simpler for me, so that's the way I roll these days.

If the bullet is ON the lands, the only way the load will stay consistent is to shoot it clean. Fouling will change where the ogive contacts the "lands" and the throat will get filthy as well changing the entire dynamic of the load.

It may work for a hunting rifle where you're not shooting a bunch and always shoot it in the same condition.

For any other rifle, target or one you shoot a lot between cleanings, the best place for the ogive is OFF of the lands where fouling remains consistent and won't effect the load significantly during periods when cleaning is impossible.

I'll post some pictures tomorrow showing why Audettes are repeatable, why you should save them until the lot of powder you have is gone so that you can "chase the throat" to keep your rifle barrel shooting well after it is effectively worn out, and why the highest pressure load may not be the optimum

Not to mention ogive differences between bullets in the same box causing issues when seated at the "kiss"

Jeezus [bleep]...you Jeff-O'd a ladder.

Now THAT Is some [bleep] funny schit!

Wow +P+.

You keep leadin' 'em to water and they keep findin' reasons to not drink. Bug in the water, somebuddy stirred up the sediment, it's cold and I coodent break through the ice, I not real thirsty right now, I don't have a paper cup with me...........

I get consistent results as posted over hundreds of rounds between cleanings. I seat to square kiss each new lot of bullets. I use DBC, and in some rifles, moly, too...

The proof is on the target

Spooky accurate Jordan!

Travis, regarding sending out one empty Coors Light can with each rifle completed, to prove you were not drinking beer when you crafted the rifle, I'd like to offer a suggestion.

Rather than Coors Light, attach an empty Alka Seltzer foil wrapper to the 'flave trigger tag. The Alka Seltzer will make you feel better, it tastes better than Coors Light, and you still send the message that you weren't drinking beer (even though you were, hence the Alka Seltzer) while assembling the next 'flave Pocket Rocket'!

Jordan,

DBC = Dyna Bore Coat? All rifles?

Jason

I need a lesson on Ballistic AE's group measuring tool. Can't quite figure it out importing a picture of a group.


So, you go hundreds of rounds between cleanings and you seat bullets to "kiss" the lands?

In what condition is the bore when you have determined where the "kiss" is? Clean to bare metal, after 25 rounds, or after some other number of rounds?

I'll guarantee that each of those measurements differ due to the amount of fouling on the leade

Also, how do you account for throat/leade wear?

In as few as 100 rounds or one box of bullets, you will have some throat erosion. Your bullets seated to the square kiss will now not be. Things change quickly in the throat at first on a new barrel, then the change slows but it's always there and ongoing.

Bullets/loads seated off of the lands are more tolerant in the accuracy department to this ongoing change.

This, of course, is IME. YMMV

Wohhhh hohhh hohhhhhhhh Nelly...THAT is some AWESOMELY funny [bleep] [bleep]! How often do you have to polish your tinfoil hat?!?

Ladders and Cleanin' Rods!?! THAT is outfhukkingstanding! I'm crying I'm laughing soooooooooo [bleep] hard.



Kiss,find pressure and rock on.

Hint.

your making things to complicated for yourself. quote=rcamuglia]


I need a lesson on Ballistic AE's group measuring tool. Can't quite figure it out importing a picture of a group.


So, you go hundreds of rounds between cleanings and you seat bullets to "kiss" the lands?

In what condition is the bore when you have determined where the "kiss" is? Clean to bare metal, after 25 rounds, or after some other number of rounds?

I'll guarantee that each of those measurements differ due to the amount of fouling on the leade

Also, how do you account for throat/leade wear?

In as few as 100 rounds or one box of bullets, you will have some throat erosion. Your bullets seated to the square kiss will now not be. Things change quickly in the throat at first on a new barrel, then the change slows but it's always there and ongoing.

Bullets/loads seated off of the lands are more tolerant in the accuracy department to this ongoing change.

This, of course, is IME. YMMV




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Boxer,

Please describe how you "find pressure." That seems to be up for debate here.

DD,

Subjectivity do not interest me,I like facts and fact is...I'm afforded the luxury of not being forced to guess. Do not let that constat dishearten you clueless dumbfhukkers,on your perpetual quest to schlep Stupidity to places it's never been before.

Kiss,find pressure and rock on.



Hint.