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Re: Ladder test, How, why? 4th_point #8660250 03/08/14
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rcamuglia Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jun 2011 Posts: 10,930 Likes: 71	I'm done trying to convince anybody about the Audette. I'm tired. Try one or more and convince yourself. Or, use any other method you'd like as many do. Originally Posted by Bristoe The people wringing their hands over Trump's rhetoric don't know what time it is in America.

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Re: Ladder test, How, why? rcamuglia #8660313 03/08/14
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geedubya Campfire Outfitter G Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 14,182 Likes: 24 Texas	Originally Posted by rcamuglia I'm done trying to convince anybody about the Audette. I'm tired. Try one or more and convince yourself. Or, use any other method you'd like as many do. RC, how many times have I told you... you can lead a guitar to water, but you can't tune a fish best, GWB A Kill Artist. When I draw, I draw blood.

Re: Ladder test, How, why? geedubya #8660351 03/08/14
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rcamuglia Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jun 2011 Posts: 10,930 Likes: 71	I really like Jeff Beck. But... Originally Posted by Bristoe The people wringing their hands over Trump's rhetoric don't know what time it is in America.

Re: Ladder test, How, why? rcamuglia #8660408 03/08/14
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4th_point Campfire Tracker 4 Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 4,874 Oregon	Originally Posted by rcamuglia I'm done trying to convince anybody about the Audette. I'm tired. Try one or more and convince yourself. Or, use any other method you'd like as many do. Rick, WTF? I just closed the bail, tightened the drag and now you off? Musta tied a barbless... Just kidding. I've held back my belief that the ladder method has some merit. And your posts have made me think of some changes to the way I work up a load. Thanks for that. But anecdotal don't equal scientific validation. The way the ladder has been presented has been a problem, not you or anyone else. If I proposed a Ladder-like method at work I'd get laughed outta a job. I ain't kidding, seriously. But I think laddering can be used to good benefit with some tweaks. Like I said before... we may all end up in the same place. Some direct, some scenic, some the long way 'round. But the important part is that everyone gets to the destination. I hope our different views don't affect future conversations on rifles and shooting as I've enjoyed this discussion. I can't shoot 600y groups like you've posted. And I have no doubt that you have a system that works for you. But when it comes to proving a system/method we need tighter control on variables. Still, I got some ladder ideas I want to try. Jason

Re: Ladder test, How, why? geedubya #8660416 03/08/14
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rost495 Campfire Kahuna R Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 57,494 Alaska	Some folks wear blinders all their lives. Its a shame really. But it is what it is. We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....

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Re: Ladder test, How, why? rcamuglia #8660434 03/08/14
Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 14,182 Likes: 24 Texas G geedubya Campfire Outfitter
geedubya Campfire Outfitter G Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 14,182 Likes: 24 Texas	RC, some of those ol' guys could really wield an axe. Back at ya and this ain't no "lumpy gravy" Best, GWB Last edited by geedubya; 03/08/14. A Kill Artist. When I draw, I draw blood.

Re: Ladder test, How, why? geedubya #8660621 03/08/14
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Boxer Campfire Tracker B Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,893	Jeezus [bleep],you poor stupid [bleep] is a hoot! This schit is better than a Jerry Lewis Telethon and you poor [bleep] is TRYING your best! Just Wow +P+! The Mail done nice thangs today...and after nipping the Anschutz 54 Chronicles tidily,it were time to shift gears. Pun be intended,despite it sailing over all the pointy heads. Laffin'! Kiss,find pressure and rock on. Hint.

Re: Ladder test, How, why? Boxer #8660642 03/08/14
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4th_point Campfire Tracker 4 Joined: Mar 2011 Posts: 4,874 Oregon	Oh, [bleep]. You can't just drop a bomb and scram. We need info on that BLR. How'd the trigger come out? Spill the frijoles! Were Amaxes flung? Jason

Re: Ladder test, How, why? Boxer #8660666 03/08/14
Joined: Jun 2011 Posts: 10,930 Likes: 71 rcamuglia Campfire Outfitter
rcamuglia Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jun 2011 Posts: 10,930 Likes: 71	I'd tell you that you were a complete idiot, but that would be an insult to complete idiots. Originally Posted by Bristoe The people wringing their hands over Trump's rhetoric don't know what time it is in America.

Re: Ladder test, How, why? Boxer #8660732 03/08/14
Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 14,182 Likes: 24 Texas G geedubya Campfire Outfitter
geedubya Campfire Outfitter G Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 14,182 Likes: 24 Texas	Good thing you're back B Was almost 'fraid everyone was gonna go full bore Rita Rudner. and I even came into possession of a couple rattle cans of a controlled substance a couple a times........ [img]http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e129/glenn1221/Rifles/IMG_9863_zps3a7a1513.jpg[/img] [img]http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e129/glenn1221/Rifles/IMG_9866_zps16469747.jpg[/img] GWB A Kill Artist. When I draw, I draw blood.

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Re: Ladder test, How, why? rcamuglia #8660764 03/08/14
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Boxer Campfire Tracker B Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,893	4th, She's a [bleep] PEACH. Tweaked the trigger somewhat and I reckon once some of the extry paint wears away...it'll get even better.(grin) Stumbled onto a couple/few thousand 120's I forgot I had and will keep it "fair",for a spell. Or until tomorrow.(grin) Laffin'! 'lia, You try to "tell" folks lotsa schit...but it boils down to your perpetually being in welllllll over your pointy head and tinfoil hat,which do of course bolster the [bleep] humor quotient. Congratulations?!? Fact is,you're doing "great" and I reckon The Paper Hat brigade is plum "proud" to have you and your ladder aboard. Laffin'! Weren't but a Post or two ago,that you was gonna take all your marbles and go home,yetcha' remain powerless in the refrain of reiterating what an incredibly slowwwwwwwwww "learner" you are. Hell...in but justa' 'nother coupla' decades,you and poor poor stupid [bleep] Rost',just might be able to sneak up on your first glass of water. I look forward to those pics and the rollicking verbage,that'll accompany that "highlight" of your collective "prowess". Don't think I ain't rootin' for you gals,as you set the "bar". Laffin'! Wow +P+!!! G', Kudos on the windage adjustable rears,cocked striker,rubber snubber covers and compelling plagiarism. What next??!?? You gonna go Double Burns and fly Tactical Knee Brace Shellholders on both sides of your stock?!? Add serrations,for the "win". Laffin'! You "hard chargers" are a [bleep] riot and the texas version of everything...remains [bleep] hilarious! Bless your heart.

Re: Ladder test, How, why? rcamuglia #8660768 03/08/14
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Ackleyfan Campfire Outfitter A Joined: Mar 2002 Posts: 9,130	Originally Posted by rcamuglia Varmint Al is an engineer who loves to shoot rifles. He also love to run very complex tests and experiments with rifles, and accurately measure the findings with computer programs most have no access to. He uses FEA analysis He didn't invent the Audette and his name has nothing to do with his former occupation. Read more, assume less. Quote What happens to the stress wave in a real rifle barrel? Just like in the TV tower guy wire, if a stress wave reaches a mechanical discontinuity in the object it is traveling in, such as the muzzle end of the barrel, or the solidly bedded receiver end of the barrel, it will reflect back in the opposite direction. In steel, the speed of sound is very close to 0.227 inches per microsecond, or about 18916 FPS. A wave will travel from the receiver to the muzzle in the barrel in about 0.12 mS. It can make around 4 or 5 round trips before the bullet leaves. Note that it does not matter how heavy the barrel is, or the profile, as the wave travels at almost exactly the same speed in all cases. Quote If we assume an 0.85 ms barrel time - in the first metal the sound wave would travel up and down the barrel 8.42 times before the bullet leaves the barrel. In the second barrel material it would do 8.20 trips. The great thing about the Audette Ladder is that you don't have to think about all of this crap. You just shoot one, look at the target and it tells you what you really need to know. I believe FEA was like a $20,000 computer program!

Re: Ladder test, How, why? Boxer #8660795 03/08/14
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MontanaMarine Campfire Ranger M Joined: Sep 2001 Posts: 19,095 Likes: 5 Canyon Ferry, Montana	Rack and pinion gears on a rifle......that's innovation.

Re: Ladder test, How, why? Boxer #8660807 03/08/14
Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 14,182 Likes: 24 Texas G geedubya Campfire Outfitter
geedubya Campfire Outfitter G Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 14,182 Likes: 24 Texas	Originally Posted by Boxer G' Kudos on the compelling plagiarism. Plagiarism Ouch, that hurts!! the unbearable lightness of being, or levity is a good thing. May have to put some bacon on it. Quien Sabe Best, GWB A Kill Artist. When I draw, I draw blood.

Re: Ladder test, How, why? geedubya #8660827 03/08/14
Joined: Jun 2011 Posts: 10,930 Likes: 71 rcamuglia Campfire Outfitter
rcamuglia Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jun 2011 Posts: 10,930 Likes: 71	Hahaha! Originally Posted by Bristoe The people wringing their hands over Trump's rhetoric don't know what time it is in America.

Re: Ladder test, How, why? rcamuglia #8661055 03/08/14
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Boxer Campfire Tracker B Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,893	Oooops.. Do you wish to stand in the frame!?!! Laffin'!

Re: Ladder test, How, why? Boxer #8661068 03/08/14
Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 14,182 Likes: 24 Texas G geedubya Campfire Outfitter
geedubya Campfire Outfitter G Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 14,182 Likes: 24 Texas	B, heard the one about the horse that walks into a bar and the bartender asks, "why the long face, Mister?" Seems you and the bar have the same facial expression! What gives? GWB Last edited by geedubya; 03/08/14. A Kill Artist. When I draw, I draw blood.

Re: Ladder test, How, why? geedubya #8661382 03/08/14
Joined: Jun 2011 Posts: 10,930 Likes: 71 rcamuglia Campfire Outfitter
rcamuglia Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jun 2011 Posts: 10,930 Likes: 71	Sorry GDub That's what the bartender said to John Kerry when he walked in Originally Posted by Bristoe The people wringing their hands over Trump's rhetoric don't know what time it is in America.

Re: Ladder test, How, why? rcamuglia #8661404 03/08/14
Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 14,182 Likes: 24 Texas G geedubya Campfire Outfitter
geedubya Campfire Outfitter G Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 14,182 Likes: 24 Texas	OK, RC, how 'bout this one ......... There once was this bar with a sign in its window. It read, anyone who can make my horse laugh will have all the drinks they want on the house. So this Texican walks in and asks if he can give it a try. The bartender says sure. The Texican walks out there and whispers something in the horse�s ear. The horse starts laughing hysterically. The guys walks in and the bartender gives him the drinks. The next night the same guy and the same thing happens. The third night the sign is changed to making the horse cry. The guy takes the horse and goes out side and a few minutes later he comes back in and the horse is crying. The bartender says �o.k. you can have your drinks but first tell me what you did to make my horse laugh.� The Texican said, �I told him my dick was bigger than his.� �O.K. but how did you make him cry?� The Texican replied, �I showed it to him.� Best, GWB Last edited by geedubya; 03/08/14. A Kill Artist. When I draw, I draw blood.

Re: Ladder test, How, why? geedubya #8662209 03/09/14
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Boxer Campfire Tracker B Joined: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,893	'lia, You sure do shoot a bunch. Your mouth and Imagination,that is. Laffin'! Kiss,find pressure and rock on. Hint.

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