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Re: Ladder test, How, why? rost495 #8669204 03/11/14
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rost495 Campfire Kahuna R Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 57,494 Alaska	comments on numbers of shots vs SD.... When I'm deciding on my 600 yard load or beyond, I often end up with 2 choices in the end. At that point ,our match strings are usually 22 shots... I"ve done a few months of test shooting 11, and then 11, and plotting, and I won't even look at teh data for info for a few months, then go compare all the plots to see which one is clearly better day in and day out... It takes a lot of shots to be totally sure, or as sure as you'll ever be. Jeff We can keep Larry Root and all his idiotic blabber and user names on here, but we can't get Ralph back..... Whiskey Tango Foxtrot, over....

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Re: Ladder test, How, why? rost495 #8669214 03/11/14
Joined: Feb 2001 Posts: 8,776 Likes: 6 pa dave7mm Campfire Outfitter
dave7mm Campfire Outfitter Joined: Feb 2001 Posts: 8,776 Likes: 6 pa	rost, Ebonics aside. Not to hard to tell around here who gets the most out of there equipment. True story. I shoot 1000 yard BR Silhouette. 10 crows at 850. 10 woodchucls at 900. 10 bobcats at 950. 10 cototes at 1000. A possible 40 for score.36 is the record and it has been done twice.Not by me. My heavy 17 pound rifle is a 300 RSAUM.I run 210g Berger LRBTs at 2800fps.I typically shoot in the mid to high 20s. I had to switch to a new lot of bullets. Left my seater die alone and never checked the loaded rounds against my barrel stub. Went to the match and shot a 9. It didn't take to long to find out what the problem was after I got home. Checked the loaded rounds against the barrel stub. I was running the 210g LRBT .013 into the lands. Yes the new batch of bullets were pretty different from the old batch.Different by .013.The rifle has never shot in the lands.And only hitting 9 targets that day proved it. Not a mistake I will be making again. Berger bullets from lot to lot can be totally different. To prove to myself where I needed to be I ran a seating ladder.I shot 4 shot groups at 500 yards from kissing(whatever ebonic BS that means) to .025 off the lands in .005 increments.Took some long seated rounds along and seated them with a small arbor press at the range,shooting the best two seating depths against one another. Last match of the year back in October I shot a 29. The crows at 850 are a nightmare if you dont have every bit of vertical dialed out of your load. dave Only accurate rifles are interesting.

Re: Ladder test, How, why? rcamuglia #8669221 03/11/14
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dogcatcher223 Campfire Ranger D Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 17,527 Colorado	Originally Posted by rcamuglia Originally Posted by gzig5 We're having a good discussion now. Certain posters aren't here. What a coincidence No, it is because you are all agreeing on how great the ladder test is.

Re: Ladder test, How, why? dogcatcher223 #8669234 03/11/14
Joined: Feb 2001 Posts: 8,776 Likes: 6 pa dave7mm Campfire Outfitter
dave7mm Campfire Outfitter Joined: Feb 2001 Posts: 8,776 Likes: 6 pa	Only thing a chronograph tells you is how fast it going. dave Only accurate rifles are interesting.

Re: Ladder test, How, why? dave7mm #8669246 03/11/14
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leelou30 Campfire Greenhorn Joined: Mar 2014 Posts: 39 Miami	This is a long range "Hunting" forum isn't it? from all these post it seems like its a who can polish there turd the shiniest! y'all crack me up haha. "kiss find pressure and rock on" <<<< he's got it figured out- hint, hint. "I peed on something you value its an expression of who i am"

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Re: Ladder test, How, why? dave7mm #8669263 03/11/14
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dogcatcher223 Campfire Ranger D Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 17,527 Colorado	Originally Posted by dave7mm Only thing a chronograph tells you is how fast it going. dave No it also tells you deviation in velocity which usually happens when pressures are below or above the sweet spot.

Re: Ladder test, How, why? dogcatcher223 #8669293 03/11/14
Joined: Jun 2011 Posts: 10,930 Likes: 71 rcamuglia Campfire Outfitter
rcamuglia Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jun 2011 Posts: 10,930 Likes: 71	Originally Posted by dogcatcher223 Originally Posted by rcamuglia Originally Posted by gzig5 We're having a good discussion now. Certain posters aren't here. What a coincidence No, it is because you are all agreeing on how great the ladder test is. Well if nobody else will enter the conversation and share the method they've used with success.... Originally Posted by Bristoe The people wringing their hands over Trump's rhetoric don't know what time it is in America.

Re: Ladder test, How, why? rcamuglia #8669320 03/11/14
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dogcatcher223 Campfire Ranger D Joined: Mar 2005 Posts: 17,527 Colorado	You guys fail to realize, you are all trying to get to the same place...an accurate load. Less vertical spread my show up on a ladder test, but it also shows up on the chrony.

Re: Ladder test, How, why? dogcatcher223 #8669349 03/11/14
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leelou30 Campfire Greenhorn Joined: Mar 2014 Posts: 39 Miami	Originally Posted by dogcatcher223 You guys fail to realize, you are all trying to get to the same place...an accurate load. Less vertical spread my show up on a ladder test, but it also shows up on the chrony. Different powders have different burning rates which shoot at different speeds. also the bigger the case the bigger the difference between shots through a chrono. It may show on a chrono but like the gentlemen said a chrono just shows speed. a speed at which you can use to build your dope for long range "hunting". after you waist your time of "ladder testing". "I peed on something you value its an expression of who i am"

Re: Ladder test, How, why? dogcatcher223 #8669381 03/11/14
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MontanaCreekHunter Campfire Outfitter M Joined: Jun 2008 Posts: 13,357 Florence, Montana	Some good info no matter what ones opinion of the ladder is. Eat Fish, Wear Grundens, Drink Alaskan.

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Re: Ladder test, How, why? MontanaCreekHunter #8669416 03/11/14
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222Rem Campfire Outfitter 2 Joined: Jan 2005 Posts: 10,718	Years ago I had the bottom of a ladder slip out from under me. I ALWAYS do the ladder test now! Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery. --Winston Churchill

Re: Ladder test, How, why? leelou30 #8669729 03/11/14
Joined: Jun 2011 Posts: 10,930 Likes: 71 rcamuglia Campfire Outfitter
rcamuglia Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jun 2011 Posts: 10,930 Likes: 71	Originally Posted by leelou30 Originally Posted by dogcatcher223 You guys fail to realize, you are all trying to get to the same place...an accurate load. Less vertical spread my show up on a ladder test, but it also shows up on the chrony. Different powders have different burning rates which shoot at different speeds. also the bigger the case the bigger the difference between shots through a chrono. It may show on a chrono but like the gentlemen said a chrono just shows speed. a speed at which you can use to build your dope for long range "hunting". after you waist your time of "ladder testing". Interesting. I'd like to hear more of how y'all do it. Originally Posted by Bristoe The people wringing their hands over Trump's rhetoric don't know what time it is in America.

Re: Ladder test, How, why? rcamuglia #8670218 03/11/14
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rcamuglia Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jun 2011 Posts: 10,930 Likes: 71	Bump? LOL Originally Posted by Bristoe The people wringing their hands over Trump's rhetoric don't know what time it is in America.

Re: Ladder test, How, why? rcamuglia #8670240 03/11/14
Joined: Mar 2014 Posts: 39 Miami leelou30 Campfire Greenhorn
leelou30 Campfire Greenhorn Joined: Mar 2014 Posts: 39 Miami	>>>>"kiss find pressure and rock on"<<<< "I peed on something you value its an expression of who i am"

Re: Ladder test, How, why? leelou30 #8670271 03/11/14
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geedubya Campfire Outfitter G Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 14,182 Likes: 24 Texas	Originally Posted by leelou30 >>>>"kiss find pressure and rock on"<<<< Some people cause happiness where ever they go. Others, whenever they go..... Oscar Wilde GWB Last edited by geedubya; 03/11/14. A Kill Artist. When I draw, I draw blood.

Re: Ladder test, How, why? geedubya #8670319 03/11/14
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leelou30 Campfire Greenhorn Joined: Mar 2014 Posts: 39 Miami	Karma is a bitch? Just make sure that bitch is beautiful. He kissed it, loved that pressure, and it hit him like f'n a rock. P.S.- Texan's rule!! ��.not��. Last edited by leelou30; 03/11/14. "I peed on something you value its an expression of who i am"

Re: Ladder test, How, why? leelou30 #8670457 03/11/14
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rcamuglia Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jun 2011 Posts: 10,930 Likes: 71	10 posts and is fluent in Ebonics Incredible Originally Posted by Bristoe The people wringing their hands over Trump's rhetoric don't know what time it is in America.

Re: Ladder test, How, why? leelou30 #8670479 03/11/14
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geedubya Campfire Outfitter G Joined: Jan 2008 Posts: 14,182 Likes: 24 Texas	Originally Posted by leelou30 He kissed it, loved that pressure, and it hit him like f'n a rock. For some reason I don't get the impression that you are Boxer's smarter brother. Would you by any chance share a common heritage with Noodlz? Best, GWB Last edited by geedubya; 03/11/14. A Kill Artist. When I draw, I draw blood.

Re: Ladder test, How, why? geedubya #8670498 03/11/14
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leelou30 Campfire Greenhorn Joined: Mar 2014 Posts: 39 Miami	Just so you can sleep better. Boxer can be my new daddy. and noodlez can be my sister/brother whatever it is. and you can be the one that no one accepts in the family�. "Best", LL30 "I peed on something you value its an expression of who i am"

Re: Ladder test, How, why? leelou30 #8670504 03/11/14
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rcamuglia Campfire Outfitter Joined: Jun 2011 Posts: 10,930 Likes: 71	Finkle and Einhorn! Einhorn and Finkle! Einhorn IS Finkle! LOL Originally Posted by Bristoe The people wringing their hands over Trump's rhetoric don't know what time it is in America.

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