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The R value of the Klymit is almost negligible. Check out the Kelty Recluse line for more than twice the insulation. I have a Recluse 3.0 which is a rectangular mattress and is plenty warm for 3 season. It's a little heavy for backpacking, though, just right for my 4 legged friends to haul.

Oh well that makes sense then. Thought I'd found a killer deal!

I use a large Neoair & love it. The R value is good & it's comfortable, "crinkle" sound isn't even on the radar though I've heard some complain. I put down a Tyvek sheet, then 1/4" evazote then the Neoair. I baby it and take care with it but I know it will fail someday & I'm always looking for a more economical alternative. Truth be told, if it failed next trip I'd likely buy another one to replace it.

FWIW, I've used my uninsulated BA Air Core to below freezing. It worked...okay. That with a small piece of foam under it did pretty well into the teens. That said, I'd really like to add an insulated air core for trips where I'm pretty sure it'll be below freezing. I've just been too cheap so far and made due...

PS- I've had my pad for a decade now and it hasn't failed yet! (knocking on wood)

I own a BA Insulated Air Core mattress that's tapered. It's a good mattress but I wiggle around too much so the tapered mattress doesn't work for me.

I bought a Therm-A-Rest NeoAir, large, rectangular and I love it.

I use a foam pad under my air mattress for puncture protection.

I think if I had purchased a rectangular BA mattress I would still be using it.

KC

+2.

Me too.

My 6 yr old son and I are laying in a go-lite Shangri la 3 as I type this right now, both on klymit static v's in the backyard. 37 degrees.outside right now...he was itching to go camping, and its nice and toasty in the tent right now...little thermometer reading almost 50 in the tent; but we are only 40 yards away from the backdoor should he get cold.
Anyway love the klymit static v's...had ours for going on 3 years so far.
Thanks for the link on the insulated ones...may have to look into that.

For hiking, I like the NeoAir. I sleep a hell of a lot better on it than I did a 1" self inflating pad.

I'd hang from a tree before I'd lug a folding foam pad. I did that when I was young and dumb and its for the birds. My creaky old carcass needs at least 1.5" of padding and 2" is noticeably better.

Tom

I've had a big agness since 2003 that I use the [bleep] out of and still have not had a failure.

Picked up a BA Air Core this past week. Took a nap on the basement floor with it so far, pretty damn impressive for $50.

Over nighter this past weekend, Agnes is one comfy som bitch.

which BA?

The regular Air Core. Took a Z Lite as well for lumbering around the fire and hanging out on the peaks. Then kinda used it as a box spring under the Air Core. Slept like a baby.....

My BA Air Core is still going strong as well. When I'm not using my ThermaRest UltraLite Cot, I use my BA. If I don't have to backpack very far, I use both. The combo makes for a great night's sleep.

You know all those sharp rocks & sticks that an air pad protects you from? The pad needs protection from them, too. Even if they don't poke holes in it, they can stress and weaken the seams so they fail later.

REI has some nice Exped look a likes that are reasonable..

I have had a Thermorest Trail Pro for probably about 5 years and have been very happy with it. very comfortable and lite.

+1. My Neoair is comfortable and has treated me well so far.

I do my best to be proactive about the sticks and stones , so far so good.