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Ok, so a friend of our family is going thru a tough situation right now. They committed & were convicted of a crime. Although not violent, because of the nature of it, it was splashed all over local and state papers, and was kept front page here for an unusually long time. As such, this person cannot get help of ANY type here, save a small amount from our church, and handouts from the ex. amazing that in this day and age, a person worries DAILY about getting just two meals per day, not to mention the other very basic things of life.
So my question is, really, SERIOUSLY, when is this person forgiven? Not by Jesus, but by society? When they are dead? When they are starved to nothing, and then dead? When they become so desperate that they commit a crime, and then become prisoners / de-facto wards of the state?
Really would like some serious answers to this, thanks I'm sorry for the situation your friend is in! I sure can understand it though! I've been disabled for quite some time, not enough according to Uncle Sam for disability and I sure can't work! After almost 10 years of no income, I have nothing at all left! I can understand completely having no options left and wondering if crime might be the only way out! I'm lucky though in a way since I'm way to feeble to be a criminal and have no wife or kids to worry about! If I had I may have done something desperate long ago! If your friend committed a felony I'm afraid it's going to follow him the rest of his days! Even if it wasn't a felony the community will never forget and he'll always be that guy that ....(whatever he did)! When your really down and out, prison doesn't sound all that bad! 3 meals a day, a bunk, a roof over your head and heat in the winter! Some of us can't get all that even after working all their lives! Bad things happen to us all but what really matters is how we deal with it! Maybe after while, if your friend is healthy and willing maybe he can start to do some kind of community service and if he gets back on his feet maybe helping others to show all that he's not the crook folks think he is! BUT sometimes communities never forget or forgive! If that's the case he may want to move on and start over elsewhere! I tell ya all this not for a boo hoo woo is me but to show ya that any of us could be in that exact situation at almost any time! I hope you can help your friend and I hope it doesn't come back to bite ya in the butt! if he is getting help from the church get a recomendation from the Pastor to a church in a new town where a member may be able to hire him with the understanding that there is a 30-60-90- day or what ever conditional period so that a trust can be built and the man can get some security and work satisfaction , takes time to build a trust but he'll die before he gets it where he is
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True friendship doesn't ever require forgiveness. I strongly disagree. True friendship means that forgiveness is rapidly and seriously given, not ignored. Lack of forgiveness has destroyed many a true friendship.
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I understand your slant, completely. What I was trying to articulate is that with true friendship, nothing could happen which required forgiveness.
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The formula is Contrition times Time (C x T = F) equals public forgiveness. KInda silly, but it is what I see.
There may be no more forgiving culture in the world than ours, but open contrition and time for healing are a must. Think about our relationships with Japan and Germany.
Has anyone noticed what has happened in Korea over the ferry tragedy? Forgiveness does not appear to be anything to be personally expected. The principal hanged himself and the PM is offering to resign.
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Are they doing jail time? No. family had to sell possessions to pay the debt required, it was swindling. Was felony level though
Psalm 19:14-May these words of my mouth and this meditation of my heart be pleasing in your sight, Lord, my Rock and my Redeemer.
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Are they doing jail time? No. family had to sell possessions to pay the debt required, it was swindling. Was felony level though So he is a thief...never is the answer for that.
These are my opinions, feel free to disagree.
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Jesus taught in parables. They have relevance to spiritual people and are nothing but stories to anyone else. When he taught the adulteress he spoke to her and not the masses. When he had finished they were alone and she was sent on her way to live her life without condemnation provided she understood his teachings.
We could all learn a lesson from this, but sadly, it is sometimes easier to be critical than forgiving. There s a higher law, we need to remember that and respect one another's dignity and hope for the same consideration when we fail... Thanks Shrap. Should have taken you up on that Thanksgiving dinner I said I was going to crash some years ago, but the commute from SC was a bit long. Seriously, have really been pondering this. In my deepening walk with Christ, I am finding myself seriously thinking about addict recovery or prison ministry, with strong leanings towards the latter. The advice given here by others as to forgiveness is sage, would really like to hear more (an not saying that to keep the thread going, I promise!)
Psalm 19:14-May these words of my mouth and this meditation of my heart be pleasing in your sight, Lord, my Rock and my Redeemer.
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I understand your slant, completely. What I was trying to articulate is that with true friendship, nothing could happen which required forgiveness.
But things do happen, often unintentionally. We're human and humans screw up, even with their friends. One very destructive example was the infamous quote from 'Love Story' - 'love means never having to say you're sorry'. I wonder how many marriages were destroyed because people actually believed that crap.
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You get this one.A friend will not only not hurt you but will get hurt so you dont. I understand your slant, completely. What I was trying to articulate is that with true friendship, nothing could happen which required forgiveness.
Ideas are far more powerful than guns, We dont let our people have guns. Why should we let them have ideas. "Joseph Stalin"
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It sounds to me like it's time for the chap to just leave town and get a fresh start.
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When they are convinced he has repented.Not a minute sooner.
Ideas are far more powerful than guns, We dont let our people have guns. Why should we let them have ideas. "Joseph Stalin"
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But things do happen, often unintentionally. We're human and humans screw up, even with their friends.
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Saying I'm sorry for whatever reason is one thing but,to me, seeking forgiveness is a level of confession well above that.
Seeking forgiveness should never happen with one considered a true friend.
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Are they doing jail time? No. family had to sell possessions to pay the debt required, it was swindling. Was felony level though There's your problem. There are few things humans are less likely to forget and that is thievery using trust to accomplish. And it's not forgiveness he's seeking. It that he wants the community at large to forget. Or at least give a second chance. Different things
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The first step in deserving and receiving forgiveness is true repentance. You do not mention anything that equates to that in your post. Has he confessed the crime? Is he truly sorry for committing the crime? (Being sorry you were caught does not count). Has he changed his behavior? Has he tried to make restitution? Until those things happen, forgiveness will surely elude him.
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I do not forgive or forget when a knowing person purposely does wrong, especially if it affects others or is out of greed.
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A thief was forgivin on a cross right next to Christ,we some times forget That Christ is the answer and everything else is
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The first step in deserving and receiving forgiveness is true repentance. You do not mention anything that equates to that in your post. Has he confessed the crime? Is he truly sorry for committing the crime? (Being sorry you were caught does not count). Has he changed his behavior? Has he tried to make restitution? Until those things happen, forgiveness will surely elude him. I agree.
Ideas are far more powerful than guns, We dont let our people have guns. Why should we let them have ideas. "Joseph Stalin"
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Ok, so a friend of our family is going thru a tough situation right now. They committed & were convicted of a crime. Although not violent, because of the nature of it, it was splashed all over local and state papers, and was kept front page here for an unusually long time. As such, this person cannot get help of ANY type here, save a small amount from our church, and handouts from the ex. amazing that in this day and age, a person worries DAILY about getting just two meals per day, not to mention the other very basic things of life.
So my question is, really, SERIOUSLY, when is this person forgiven? Not by Jesus, but by society? When they are dead? When they are starved to nothing, and then dead? When they become so desperate that they commit a crime, and then become prisoners / de-facto wards of the state?
Really would like some serious answers to this, thanks Forgiveness and trust are two different things. Just an FYI. Travis
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As there are peeps on here that live in this area, I just cannot/will not say what happened enuff to figure any of it out, suffice to say the individual took money over time, and that can add up, and trust me, it did. restitution, the term I could not come up with earlier, completely wiped them out. This person has a degree from a prestigious Southeastern school, and is multi-lingual....and Mcdonalds will not hire them. Wal-mart 3rd shift stock either, they tried. You can only handout fish for so long, and it sure can be hard to give a fishing pole when society keeps breaking the pole!
To the individuals that stated move and make a new start, that might at first seem to make sense, but the issue is their only familial support network is here and a minor child is involved, so being able to move is not as easy as at first perceived.
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As there are peeps on here that live in this area, I just cannot/will not say what happened enuff to figure any of it out, suffice to say the individual took money over time, and that can add up, and trust me, it did. This person has a degree froma prestigious Southeastern school, and is multi-lingual....and Mcdonalds will not hire them. Wal-mart 3rd shift stock either, they tried. You can oly handout fish for so long, and it sure can be hard to give a fishing pole when society keeps breaking the pole!
To the individuals that sated move and make a new start, that might at first seem to make sense, but the issue is their only familial support network is here and a minor child is involved, so being able to move is not as easy as at first perceived. That makes no sense. McDonalds may not hire him to manage a location, but they'll hire him to cook fries. He can find a job. It just may not be the job he wants. Travis
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