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Not saying there is anything "wrong" with the 243. The newer cartridges like the 6xc and 6 Creed certainly have been updated though with less case taper and a steeper shoulder. Not to mention offering a little more latitude in the mag box for longer bullets.

Everyone runs around with a hardon for Ackley rounds, but when a company offers a factory cartridge with less taper and steep shoulder they get no love for some reason.

And I think the type of competition specified by the OP was:

-targets out to 800 yards
-shooting in local groundhog shoots/matches
-possibly hunting groundhogs or deer but pretty unlikely

I didn't see anything about tactical comps, 3 gun, clays, or anything else.

Nothing like starting a ruckus and then leaving....

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Don't think the OP much cared about winning competitions...

6mm Remington

I think there are better case designs than the .243AI. I prefer a 30 deg shoulder over a 40, and shorter case length is nice in a SA rifle. I'd take the Creed over the .243 if brass, reamers, and dies were no issue. But from a purely performance stand point, neither the XC nor the Creed can keep up to the .243AI.

My next barrel with be either a 7-08AI or a 7 Creed. Hmmmm, decisions!

Nice.
7-08AI is the better 260 AND the better 308 all in one..

I definitely got the Ackley bug out of my system. Having owned 4 different ones, I am done making cases to shoot full performance loads.

PS. brass, reamers and dies aren't an issue with the 6 Creed.

They are an issue up here.

"-shooting in local groundhog shoots/matches"

So you think he intends to try and lose these matches?

LOL, so which is it- does he want to win matches, or not? If so, is the .243 not capable of winning, assuming he's a good enough shot? I think I know what George Gardner would say...

LOL,

The OP mentioned shooting in competitions/matches shot from a bench (groundhog shoots). He's looking for help choosing a 6mm cartridge. Between the 6br and the 243, IMO its an easy choice that the 6br will be more accurate with less barrel heat in long strings and better barrel life (something George Gardner doesn't have to worry about quite so much!). Do you think that a 243 is as accurate as a 6br off a bench?

We're not talking short-range BR, here...

Do you think the 6BR is better at shooting through the wind than the .243 at 800 yards?

LOL, you keep bringing up things no one is discussing - tactical competitions, short range benchrest, etc.



I'll take the 6br for reasons already listed. But, we can just agree to disagree. Good shooting to you.

Funny you left this part of it out. Which supports Jordan Smith's response. So like Jordan has said the .243 will do all the OP is asking for and very well. So what is the OP getting from the 6br and at what cost?

LOL, just like its funny you left this part out:

Sure the 243 will do all the OP is asking, LOTS of cartridges would be able to be used. MY OPINION is the 6br will be better for

-targets out to 800 yards
-shooting in local groundhog shoots/matches
-possibly hunting groundhogs or deer but pretty unlikely

because of better accuracy, less barrel heat during long strings of shots, less recoil for spotting your own shots, less powder consumption, and longer barrel life.

Define "better accuracy".

Would your 6BR improve on this .243AI group?




Or this one?



This one?



How about this?



Maybe this one?



Or this one?



Maybe your 6BR could improve on all those groups, but I'd be willing to bet that it's the rifleman that would do the improving, not the cartridge. The inherent accuracy differences between different cartridges become less and less significant as the range extends (he's shooting out to 800 yards), and the ability to deal with wind and terrain matters more and more.

The interchange between you and I started off being about your statement that the .243 couldn't win competitions. It had nothing to do with the 6BR being better or worse for the OP's purposes than the .243. I can definitely see some pro's in the 6BR's favour, which you mentioned, but the .243 has some advantages, too, like ammo/brass cost and availability, and increased MV.

105 Berger Hybrids at 3100fps....case design can be whatever floats your boat.

Agreed. I'm betting a GAP Crusader in .243 would bug hole just fine

BTW slm, those groups above were shot with a factory Rem barrel, not a high-zoot aftermarket barrel you typically see on 6BR rifles...