Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Winchester Collectors Non-original Pre 64 70s-controversial thread

Ah... good, the popcorn is out.

I want to clarify that I think some reader's of the Madis books made the erroneous assumption that all rifles pictured were correct. Many collectors laid out their collections for George to photograph. This does not mean he performed the type evaluation he became known for on each rifle he photographed. And as stated, he was a nice fellow and for those that laid out their collections for him to photograph, I don't think he saw it as his role, or he had the inclination to comment negatively on those pieces he knew or suspected to not be 100% correct.

My beef is with those individuals who have come into possession of one of the rifles pictured and the conclusions they have drawn.

Personally, I am progressively thinking, lower dollar "character" pieces are the way to go. With the ever-growing fakery (including faked documentation), I am progressively more suspicious. There's a lot of good pieces out there and the majority of these are safely tucked away in collections. It's the stuff floating in circulation that carries the highest risk of burning someone. The mindset of, "caveat emptor" becomes more important with each passing day.

I welcome your opinion but couldn't disagree more. Assuming original intent of the forum well just makes an "@$$" out of you. Also assuming the thoughts of members secures your position there.

I personally welcome all Winchester collectors and enthusiast and their appreciation of the Winchester brand no matter what form it takes.

I guess Turnbull has a market and is able to sell his stuff. To me, it darn expensive and the net result is you end up with something that isn't original. I would much prefer a weathered gun over something turned out by him. I'm not running the quality of his work down. Some say it is every bit as good as what the factory produced. If that is so, it still doesn't matter to me.

I'm sure many feel the same as me and many feel differently.

I guess Turnbull has a market and is able to sell his stuff. To me, it darn expensive and the net result is you end up with something that isn't original. I would much prefer a weathered gun over something turned out by him. I'm not running the quality of his work down. Some say it is every bit as good as what the factory produced. If that is so, it still doesn't matter to me.

I'm sure many feel the same as me and many feel differently.

Turnbull produced weapons ,for me are like tiffany creations.
nice to look at but of no real practical use. give me a 1886 Winchester light weight take down in 45-70 and I get glassy eyed.
even if it has brush marks and faded finish. it is still class.
jm2centsw

Turnbull produced weapons ,for me are like tiffany creations. nice to look at but of no real practical use. give me a 1886 Winchester light weight take down in 45-70 and I get glassy eyed.
even if it has brush marks and faded finish. it is still class.
jm2centsw

Deerstalker -

Do you mean one like this:



It might have a bit more finish than you can tolerate? Also the special order special length magazine might throw you off too.

Randy Shuman is at the top of my list when it comes to experience, knowledge and honesty regarding old model 70s. Almost all of his rifles are collectors with few shooters and he has large quantities of 70s: for example, my last list has 15 .375s. He told me once that he never lists a 70 as 100% and looking at his listings 99% is as high as he rates. He is the man I call when I have a question regarding old 70s. He told me he'll never use the internet to list his rifles: just old school. 40+ years of collecting and dealing with old 70s.