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What's the longest running reality show on TV where they talk about the dangers of their profession? The duck call people or the crabbers or what?

Not happening under the watchful eye of newbie Rovering the Statistician.

LOL

How the [bleep] would I know?


Travis

Because you were the one that brought up reality tv shows.

Read the posts again. See if you can sort it out.



Travis

I do not want to watch the reality TV junk, so I'll just accept your word that some on there engage in some 'puffery' about the real dangers of their professions for entertainments sake.

Almost the only TV that I've cared to watch lately has been these two via streaming:





A little harmless puffery about real dangers for a TV show is, though, very different from LEOs and politicians political propagandizing, at the highest levels, of hyped dangers.



Especially when the costs of our allowing LEOs and their politician allies to politically propagandize their hyped dangers of law enforcement is so very high in taxes, lives, and lost liberty.



Horror: Why Did This Cop Fire 4 Shots At A Teen Girl, Killing Her?

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2014/05/02/h...t-a-teen-girl-killing-her/#ixzz31jlRnMQS

What is this, the 3rd time you added this to a thread?

Fishing hard aren't you.

I'll oblige.

The cop indicated that she attempted to speed off when directed by him (while on foot) to stop, as she was leaving a party that was reported as drunken kids being a nuisance.

He indicated that during her attempt to leave, he wound up on the hood of the car, and she wasn't stopping, so he shot her.

Her friends in the car, who were not shot, gave a different account, however, I have not found their version in print.

Some witnesses corroborate the LEO's story.

The 19 year old driver had one prior, recent DWI arrest.

Not sure if anything else has been made public. I researched it last week during your first trawl, but didn't feel like getting into it.

No Knock Raid Results in Multiple Cops Shot - One Killed

A lot of people � innocent people � and their pets have wound up dead during no knock raids in recent years in this country.
A no knock raid is when officers can serve a warrant on a house without notifying the residents first. At all. Period. Without ringing the doorbell, calling first, a knock, nothing. Police typically do it in the middle of the night or in the wee hours of the morning, too, when people are more likely to be asleep. The majority of these raids aren�t even for violent crimes or imminent threats to life and limb, but drug crimes.
So a lot of people tend to die. It�s a pretty stupid way to enforce laws.
We live in a country where the citizenry are armed. If it�s the middle of the night and you hear someone busting through your front door, and if you exercise your 2nd Amendment rights by owning a firearm, your first reaction is going to be to draw that firearm to protect yourself and your family.
If you do that when a burglar or worse is breaking into your house to possibly cause harm to you and your family and property, then you�ve done the wise thing. That�s called self-defense.
However, if you pull your gun in the same scenario, only replacing the burglar with a SWAT officer, it�s very likely you, and possibly your family and pets, might end up dead. Really dead. Shot 22 times and left to bleed to death dead, like this Marine:
U.S. Marine Jose Guerena was shot twenty-two times by a SWAT team planning to execute a search warrant. He retrieved a legally possessed rifle in response to sudden intruders, and the SWAT team opened fire on him before establishing any communication. The team later retracted its initial claims he had opened fire when it was established that Guerena had never fired and his safety was still on. The police refused to allow paramedics to access Guerena for more than hour, leaving Guerena to bleed to death, alone, in his own home. Members of the SWAT team subsequently hired legal defense and a large following of fellow Marines held a memorial service at his home with his widow.
Or you might end up charged with capital crimes because you thought you were defending yourself but you didn�t realize the people breaking into your home were actually police officers.
Here is just another example of exactly why no knock raids are stupid.
Killeen, Texas resident Marvin Louis Guy is currently being held at the Killeen City Jail on a $3 million bond for opening fire on a Killeen Tactical Response Unit and a Central Texas Organized Crime Unit that jointly descended on his home at 5:30 in the morning without knocking first to serve a narcotics search warrant last Friday.
Multiple officers were hit. Detective Charles Dinwiddie later died from his injuries.
Based on this excerpt from the Killeen Police Department�s press release, the officers weren�t even going in through the front door:
On Friday May 9, 2014, just after 5:30am, members of the Killeen Police Department Tactical Response Unit and the Bell Organized Crime Unit were attempting to serve a narcotics search warrant. The TRU was beginning to breach the window when the 49 year old male inside, opened fire striking four officers.
While police may refer to this as a �dynamic entry,� it really just seems like a dumb idea � especially in Texas � or at the very least, a bad idea for a gang of armed men to break in through someone�s window at the crack of dawn and not expect a response in-kind.
The cop was killed because he was shot in the face. He was shot in the face because he was trying to crawl through these people�s window while they were sleeping like a common criminal would.
And why is all this deemed necessary over some drugs? No one�s life was in immediate danger here. It begs the question why these officers couldn�t have waited for this man to leave his apartment to go to the grocery store to arrest him, because certainly that would have happened at some point. Now one of those officers had to die over it. Was it worth it?
Is it ever worth it?
What happened to cops who protect and serve? These officers aren�t soldiers, but they dress up like them to fight a phony war on drugs which, like the war on terror, will never be won. Prohibition has never historically worked. Besides, if cases can�t be made without paramilitary style no-knock raids conducted on sleeping people in their homes, perhaps the officers don�t have a very good case to begin with.
We live in a country of increasingly militarized police forces. Over 90% of towns with 50,000 people or more have SWAT teams now. Why exactly are our government agencies doling out billions of dollars in military weapons to our local police departments? The American Civil Liberties Union makes a pretty good point: towns don�t need tanks.
During the commission of these no knock raids, many innocent people have been gunned down. Children and pets have been shot and killed all across the nation. Elderly people who attempted to protect themselves have been slain in their homes and officers later found out they weren�t even in the right homes to begin with.
When the officers do it, it�s considered their �duty�; they were just doing their jobs when someone�s eight-year-old accidentally gets killed during a raid. On the other hand, when the average citizen fires under what they thought was the guise of self-defense on people they did not know were officers for breaking into their homes unannounced in the middle of the night, well�those people get charged with capital murder.
Although, sometimes the Grand Jury fails to indict. Capital murder charges were recently dropped against 28-year-old Henry Goedrich Magee after he shot and killed a cop during a no knock raid on his Central Texas home over some marijuana plants he had been accused of growing. The state ultimately couldn�t prove Magee knew it was police and not intruders who were entering his home before he opened fire nor could they disprove that he was acting in self-defense�because he was.
Some 40,000 of these no knock raids happen every year in this country. The CATO Institute not only released an interactive map of botched paramilitary raids, but a white paper with an extensive catalog of mistaken raids and abuses that, at 103 pages, is long enough to prove that no knock raids are a horrible pratice that needs to stop.
This writer knows that she lives in America, so we at least have the superficial appearance of a Constitution and Bill of Rights that includes a Fourth Amendment which is supposed to protect the nation�s citizens from unreasonable search and seizure. Just having probable cause a crime was committed doesn�t mean you shouldn�t have to at least ring the doorbell first.
The longer these raids continue, the more people are going to needlessly die. What justice are these ill-advised tactics possibly serving?
It�s just�stupid.

So it must be quadrupled for a cop who drives back and forth to work every day not to mention all the time driving around in a patrol car right?

The real danger in law enforcement is to citizens:



It is always dangerous to the liberties of the people to have an army stationed among them, over which they have no control ... The Militia is composed of free Citizens. There is therefore no danger of their making use of their Power to the destruction of their own Rights ~ Samuel Adams

You must have really liked her. Why do you think she left you?

Yep, I saw this video. She took off so fast the vortex snatched him up while he was alongside the car and dumped him on the hood. He ignored that danger to his life and fired only because he was sure she was going to go run over other people somewhere else.

That's easy, she left him for a cop

In a lessor but still very serious vein and, again, demonstrating that what is good for LEOs and their political allies is very often otherwise for we citizens; Obama told his LEO pals how great amnesty is going to be for them:

Obama Tells Cops Immigration Reform Will Make Their Jobs Easier



As the nation�s capital is packed with cops marking National Police Week, President Obama sat down with law enforcement leaders to make a case for immigration reform.

About 40 officers representing the Major Cities Chiefs Association, Major County Sheriffs Association, National Sheriffs Association, International Association of Chiefs of Police, Fraternal Order of Police, National Association of Police Organizations, Federal Law Enforcement Officers Association, and Police Executive Research Association, along with Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson, got about 10 minutes of Obama�s time at the Eisenhower Office Building at noontime.

�The immigration system that we have right now makes it harder, not easier, for law enforcement agencies to do their jobs. It makes it harder for law enforcement to know when dangerous people cross our borders. It makes it harder for business owners who play by the rules to compete when they�re undercut by those who would exploit workers in a shadow economy. And it makes it harder for law enforcement to do their jobs when large segments of the community are afraid to report crimes or serve as witnesses because they fear the consequences for themselves or their families,� Obama said.

�This system is not fair. It�s not fair to workers; it�s not fair to businesses who are trying to do the right thing; it�s not fair to law enforcement agencies that are already stretched thin.�

Obama told the cops that his administration put personnel �arrayed at the border� well beyond anything that we saw five years ago, 10 years ago, 20 years ago.�

�But what this reform package would also do is create a firm but fair pathway to earned citizenship for those who live in the shadows � and as a consequence, would give law enforcement a better idea of who�s in the country. It would also help build trust between local communities and law enforcement and immigrant communities. It would undermine criminal enterprises that prey on undocumented immigrants. And it would allow law enforcement to focus on its primary mission, which is keeping our communities safe,� he said.

The president blamed �a handful of House Republicans right now who are blocking going ahead and letting legislation get to the floor.�

�To their credit, I think Speaker Boehner and some of the other leaders there do believe that immigration reform is the right thing, but they�ve got to have a political space that allows them to go ahead and get it through their caucus and get it done. I�ve said to them, if they�ve got ideas I�m happy to talk to them. We�re not hell-bent on making sure that every letter of what�s in the Senate bill is exactly what ultimately lands on my desk for signature, but there are some core principles that we�ve got to get done,� he continued.

One of those musts: �We�ve got to make sure that there�s a way for people to earn some pathway to citizenship.�

�And keep in mind, some of these statistics you may have already heard � it�s estimated that over 80 percent of the folks who are here on an undocumented basis have been here 10 years or longer. These are folks who are woven into the fabrics of our communities. Their kids are going to school with our kids. Most of them are not making trouble; most of them are not causing crimes. And yet, we put them in this tenuous position and it creates a situation in which your personnel, who have got to go after gang-bangers and need to be going after violent criminals and deal with the whole range of challenges, and who have to cooperate with DHS around our counterterrorism activities � you�ve got to spend time dealing with somebody who is not causing any other trouble other than the fact that they were trying to make a living for their families. That�s just not a good use of our resources. It�s not smart. It doesn�t make sense.�

Obama said he�s trying to get �unexpected voices� to push for an immigration bill, like the cops and the evangelical Christian community, which �has shown itself to be foursquare behind immigration reform.�

�The closer we get to the midterm elections the harder it is to get things done around here. Now, I know it�s hard to believe that things could get harder that this place could get a little more dysfunctional. But it�s just very hard right before an election. So we�ve got maybe a window of two, three months to get the ball rolling in the House of Representatives. And your voices are going to be absolutely critical to that effort,� he said.

At the end of his speech, the president squeezed in a quick thank-you to law enforcement for their �heroic work.�

http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2014/05/1...tion-reform-will-make-their-jobs-easier/ [/b]

The dooshbag administrator cops posing with the politicians are nothing more than politicians themselves. They most assuredly don't represent the rank and file. I know they all serve the same masters yada yada yada.

Here's an interesting read:

http://jimfishertruecrime.blogspot.com/2012/01/police-involved-shootings-2011-annual.html

excerpt:
In 1971, police officers in New York City shot 314 people, killing 93. (In California, the state with the most police involved shootings in 2011, the police shot 183, killing 102.) In 2010, New York City police shot 24, killing 8. Last year, in the nation's largest city, the police shot 16, killing 6. In Columbus, Ohio, a city one eighth the size of New York, the police shot 14, killing 8. Statistical diversities like this suggest that in the cities with the highest per capita shooting rates, better people ought to be hired, or the existing forces need a lot more training in the use of deadly force.

Seems like the big apple is headed in the right direction.

Here's one from Anchorage:

http://justice.uaa.alaska.edu/research/2010/1402.apd_ois/1402.01.officer_involved_shootings.pdf

Somehow you only excerpted the less interesting and important bits of the article. Here are some more interesting and important ones:

"The nation's leading law enforcement agency [FBI] collects vast amounts of information on crime nationwide, but missing from this clearinghouse are statistics on where, how often, and under what circumstances police use deadly force. In fact, no one anywhere comprehensively tracks the most significant act police can do in the line of duty: take a life."

Since the government keeps statistics on just about everything, why no national stats on something this important? The answer is simple: they don't want us to know. Why? Because police shoot a lot more people than we think, and the government, while good at statistics, is also good at secrecy.

The government does maintain records on how many police officers are killed every year in the line of duty.

Almost all police involved shootings, while investigated by special units, prosecutor's offices, or an outside police agency, were investigated by governmental law enforcement personnel. It is perhaps not surprising that more than 95 percent of all police involved shootings were ruled administratively and legally justiified. A handful of cases led to wrongful death lawsuits. Even fewer will result in the criminal prosecution of officers. Critics of the system have called for the establishment of completely independent investigative agencies in cases of police involved shootings.

[Added emphasis mine.]

Let's ask the widow of Jason Ellis, ambushed and murdered last year, clearing out some debris his killer dropped in the road to make him stop his cruiser and remove it.

Yeah, let's ask his widow and their 5 year old son how they feel about it.

Plus 1

Two dead Troopers in the remote village of Tanana, Alaska recently, on a call out from Fairbanks for a reported "brandishing firearm" incident(drunk). While trying to physically subdue the perp (forgoing Tazer or pepper spray), his son shot them in the back point blank with an AR type rifle... reports have it at 7 rounds.

Anything Obie says is politically motivated, usually a lie, but he seems to me here to have inadvertantly spoken a truth.

Shame on him.

Please, reread your claim and notice how utterly incredulous is it. You claim that rank and file cops are totally unlike and are uninfluenced by the very cops which rose through the same ranks to now hire, train, and direct them.

Nonsense. You're too smart to try to sell that or to believe that I'd buy it. Who posted that? Did Sherp, Blue, Lt., or Gitem hijack your account?