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 High Point .45 Adequate for Grizzly
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This was posted in the Alaska forum, but I thought I would mention it here in light of all the threads about guns and bears. Link: Alaska Man Kills 9 Foot Grizzly Breaking Into Home The blogs after the article include one post by the shooter's son, which says the gun was a High Point and that only one shot connected, to the lungs. Edit: The comment is ambiguous as to whether only one shot hit.
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Re: High Point .45 Adequate for Grizzly
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how much alcohol was involved?
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Re: High Point .45 Adequate for Grizzly
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An Indian lady killed one with a .22 short, if it was breaking into my cabin, I would use what I had.. Still doesn't make good sense to rely on a .22 short or .45 auto as bear protection..
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Re: High Point .45 Adequate for Grizzly
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An Indian lady killed one with a .22 short, if it was breaking into my cabin, I would use what I had.. Still doesn't make good sense to rely on a .22 short or .45 auto as bear protection.. I read an article where an Inuit woman killed one of the largest polar bears ever killed with a .22 rifle. Hid behind a door in the kitchen, when the bear poked its head in the kitchen, she put the muzzle of the rifle in it's ear and shot; dropped like a rock. They reported it was very difficult getting the bear out of the house.
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Re: High Point .45 Adequate for Grizzly
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Inuits typically use small calibers for hunting including polar bear. 223, 22-250, 243 are the most popular calibers. There are a few AK's up there too.
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Re: High Point .45 Adequate for Grizzly
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When the bear saw the High Point it laughed itself to death. The owner who lived in b bear country had to go out to the truck to fetch his gun, this fits the High Point owner profile.
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Re: High Point .45 Adequate for Grizzly
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I have an acquaintance of mine who has a son stationed in Alaska with the Air Force who uses a Ruger 1911 in .45 ACP for bear protection. Using +P I don't think he's that under gun for close work. Heck, I wouldn't feel under gun with standard velocity .45 ACP for close work.
Not what I would use for serious bear hunting but for close range work it should do.
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Re: High Point .45 Adequate for Grizzly
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If a .45 ACP bullet shot out of a Hi-Point pistol can kill a Grizzly Bear ...
It's just as dead as if shot from a Colt 1911.
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Re: High Point .45 Adequate for Grizzly
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I'd venture a guess that the High Point shooter was not using top shelf ammo.
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Re: High Point .45 Adequate for Grizzly
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Flanking the bear and connecting on a broadside shot into open lungs is probably a bit less taxing on a bullet than shooting head on into covered vitals. Reckon he still leaves the pistol in the truck at night? I doubt it. 
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Re: High Point .45 Adequate for Grizzly
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An Indian lady killed one with a .22 short, if it was breaking into my cabin, I would use what I had.. Still doesn't make good sense to rely on a .22 short or .45 auto as bear protection.. I read an article where an Inuit woman killed one of the largest polar bears ever killed with a .22 rifle. Hid behind a door in the kitchen, when the bear poked its head in the kitchen, she put the muzzle of the rifle in it's ear and shot; dropped like a rock. They reported it was very difficult getting the bear out of the house. I heard a rumor that a San Francisco man named Sheryl killed a Grizzly with a glittered stiletto pump. It was on an internet forum so it must be true.
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Re: High Point .45 Adequate for Grizzly
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A few years ago, there were news reports of a hiker in Alaska killing an attacking griz with a 9mm. Doesn't mean we should all rely on the same.....
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Re: High Point .45 Adequate for Grizzly
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I have an acquaintance of mine who has a son stationed in Alaska with the Air Force who uses a Ruger 1911 in .45 ACP for bear protection. Using +P I don't think he's that under gun for close work. Heck, I wouldn't feel under gun with standard velocity .45 ACP for close work.
Not what I would use for serious bear hunting but for close range work it should do. Clearly you don't know what your talking about. A 45 APC is only 500 foot pounds and inadequate for grizzles. A 30 06 would work pretty well and the smallest pistol round I would use would be a 44mag with good bullets.
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Re: High Point .45 Adequate for Grizzly
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I have an acquaintance of mine who has a son stationed in Alaska with the Air Force who uses a Ruger 1911 in .45 ACP for bear protection. Using +P I don't think he's that under gun for close work. Heck, I wouldn't feel under gun with standard velocity .45 ACP for close work.
Not what I would use for serious bear hunting but for close range work it should do. Clearly you don't know what your talking about. A 45 APC is only 500 foot pounds and inadequate for grizzles. A 30 06 would work pretty well and the smallest pistol round I would use would be a 44mag with good bullets. A hit with a .45ACP is better than a miss with a .44 mag. Certainly a .44 mag is better but if all you have is a .45 ACP I don't think you are under gun if you are close enough. As I said it's not for serious bear hunting. As was posted above a bear was killed with a 9MM and IIRC it was a Browning Hi-power. Again not for serious bear work but apparently it worked this time at least. If I'm going to be out in the woods I carry bear spray with my 1911 in .45ACP as back up.
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Re: High Point .45 Adequate for Grizzly
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I don't know how anyone survived in grizzly country before 1956 when armed with only a handgun, not to mention the people who only had homemade stick bows and stone and scrap metal arrow points.
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Re: High Point .45 Adequate for Grizzly
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I have an acquaintance of mine who has a son stationed in Alaska with the Air Force who uses a Ruger 1911 in .45 ACP for bear protection. Using +P I don't think he's that under gun for close work. Heck, I wouldn't feel under gun with standard velocity .45 ACP for close work.
Not what I would use for serious bear hunting but for close range work it should do. Clearly you don't know what your talking about. A 45 APC is only 500 foot pounds and inadequate for grizzles. A 30 06 would work pretty well and the smallest pistol round I would use would be a 44mag with good bullets. Not saying that the 45 acp is proper for big bear protection, but foot lbs of energy has zero to do with killing power. Penetration of a properly constructed bullet in the correct spot will end any bears life.
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Re: High Point .45 Adequate for Grizzly
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Hold my beer and watch this. But in all honesty those 45s have some wallop.
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Re: High Point .45 Adequate for Grizzly
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I don't know how anyone survived in grizzly country before 1956 when armed with only a handgun, not to mention the people who only had homemade stick bows and stone and scrap metal arrow points. well, they generally didn't get into arguments with bears, unless the whole tribe was with them.
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Re: High Point .45 Adequate for Grizzly
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I don't feel unarmed with a .30-.30 or a 44 mag. or a 10mm or even a .40
but having had a few encounters of the close kind with bears I can't think of a time when I wished I had less gun
course there was that one time I'd have liked to have had any gun
most of the bears I've had run ins with haven't been big bears
only 1 over 9 feet that we surprised each other, scared the crap outa both of us.
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Re: High Point .45 Adequate for Grizzly
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A hit with a .45ACP is better than a miss with a .44 mag. The guy in the OP missed 6 timesThere's no reason anyone would miss more with a 44 if they know how to shoot Reality is he just got lucky
One shot, one kill........ It saves a lot of ammo!
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