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Do you mean the US Government? The US Government is Israel's bitch. How can you not be aware of that? Barrack Obama is in hot water if he's less than 99.8% Israel's bitch. His controllers want him to be at least 99.99% Israel's bitch. Obama serves at the pleasure of his masters. If he stopped pleasing them sufficiently, he'd be gone.

I'm still trying to figure out what "Bible prophesy being fulfilled now".

Read up on Cyrus Scofield, his Reference Bible, and Dispensationalism. These folks had moderate success in spreading their heresy to Christians till the Zionists started sending Jews to Israel to form a new state. Once they declared a Jewish apartheid state there, the Dispensationalists practically had orgasms. That's the origin of all this Talmudic Jew worship that today goes on among evangelical type Christians. Not one Christian had ever heard anything like it till about two hundred years ago. It's not Christian doctrine, but rather very alien and contrary to the central Christian message.

I've started reading a little about this on the Net now that you have brought it up.

I was being sarcastic as eyeball has failed so far to list the specific Bible prophesy being fulfilled.

Regardless, Hawkeye, the fact remains that the US and other nations are joining the cadre that is threatening Israel, whether you think the US should be involved or not.

Positively laughable.

I reckon you're a 24.

For the love of grammatical pet peeves can we start referring to the noun "prophecy" rather than the verb "prophesy"? And biblical prophecy is a very, very different genre of scriptural literature than a prophecy which predicts the future based on a series of sequential events. Biblical prophets spoke the word of God to the people which sought to turn the people back to God - repentance.

What they don't realize is that the Zionists chose Palestine instead of any of the other locations they had been considering precisely because they understood that there was an American Christian movement that believed this was part of Bible prophecy, and would thus be apt to pressure their government to support them.

Joel 3:1-2
Verse Concepts
"For behold, in those days and at that time, When I restore the fortunes of Judah and Jerusalem, I will gather all the nations And bring them down to the valley of Jehoshaphat Then I will enter into judgment with them there On behalf of My people and My inheritance, Israel, Whom they have scattered among the nations; And they have divided up My land.

This is hardly the first time that Israel has been divided, scattered, and gathered. And nations have been gathering there for millennia and fought over it just as long. It lies at the crossroads of the ancient trade routes betwee Africa, Europe, and Asia. Remember, the Word made flesh who spoke creation into being and carried the creative power of the Triune God in his voice said that we know not the day nor the hour. Don't waste your time trying to figure it out or worrying about. Spend your time serving God and neighbor as Christ calls us to do. The kingdom if heaven is present here and now in the body of Christ present in the world.

You are correct, Selmer. Jerusalem was destroyed by Rome and then Rome was destroyed.

"On that day, when all the nations of the earth are gathered against her, I will make Jerusalem an immovable rock for all the nations. All who try to move it will injure themselves."

However, at that time in history, the Good News had not been spread over the Earth, that in itself the fulfilling of Bible prophecy our great grandparents would not have been able to comprehend.

And as a pastor I would encourage you to concern yourself with what God calls us to do in the here and now - Love the Lord your God with all your heart, soul, and mind and love your neighbor as yourself. I trust that God will be faithful to his promises and will let him take care of the eschaton.

God's people, the people of the inheritance, Israel, the fortunes of Judah and Jerusalem, are embodied in the coming of the Messiah and his sacrifice on the cross for the sins of mankind. The people of God are those who accept Christ, and none other. The part played by the ethnic Jews, to preserve and convey the true faith till the coming of the Lord, has been accomplished. Their reward was the coming of the very person they were to have celebrated, but instead crucified.

Pretty well sums up the whole thread.

This was the will of God for their perfidy. Rome's ultimate downfall occurred just a few years before Columbus discovered America. It was one of the longest lived civilizations in human history.

Apparently it's much more rewarding for some self-professed 'Christians' to hate...instead of following Jesus' greatest commandments.

selmer,

Is it not true that those whom reject Christ will not dwell in the Kingdom of Heaven?

If that is fact true, how are Jews to dwell in the Kingdom of Heaven?

A woman I know sent her kids to a private Christian school in Orange County, CA. Their religious studies teacher told his charges that Jews will not dwell in the Kingdom of Heaven. Those of other faiths were outraged. However, the school defended its teacher and stood by the Word of Jesus.

I still think there is a possibility that this iteration of Israel is not the return that is spoken of in the Bible. If you read, it pretty clearly says that ALL the Jews will return to Israel. Well, there are almost as many Jews living in the US alone as there are in Israel. And the Jews in Israel are more in rebellion than anyone. You will find it almost easier to be a missionary in a Muslim country than Israel. No government is more officially hostile to Christ than Israel. No, they don't kill Christians. I'll grant that. But they don't want any of them, other than the ones connected with the tourism sights in the country living there.

So, while many make much of the return of the Jews and the creation of Israel in 1948, I think it is entirely possible that this iteration of Israel might be wiped out and the return of the rest of the Jews of the world at a later date would be the real "return of the Jews".

Just spitballing. I don't really care to argue about it as that I don't feel strongly enough about it to do it. I might be wrong, but if you read the Scriptures you'll see there is a possibility that I might be right.

A Jew's path to salvation is the same path as that of the Greek, the Eskimo, the Japanese, etc., i.e., to abandon religious error and embrace religious truth, i.e., that Jesus is Lord. For a Jew, that would mean to abandon Talmudism, the very error (that of the Pharisees) Christ so harshly condemned in the Gospels, and accept Jesus as Lord and Savior.