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Dirtfarmer,
With US869 I got 3300 fps with two Nosler 140-grain bullets, using 87-88 grains, and there's no major compression involved.
If I might ask, why are you so obsessed with not seating anything but the boattail below the case neck?
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If I might ask, why are you so obsessed with not seating anything but the boattail below the case neck?
My therapist and I are currently working on that...  I dunno, guess it's the way the round looks. And I have 3.6" to work with, why not use it...  Not a very good reason...  That's my story and I'm sticking to it...  Now, don't start messing with me, using facts and such like you always do...  DF
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I got over 3300 with the 140 VLD at the top end in my .264 Winchester Magnum with RL-33. I'm betting still that RL-33 and WC-872 will be better for velocity in the 26 Nosler than US-869 Rick, Have you shot any critters with the 140 VLD at 3,300 fps? Lot of guys use the VLD for LR work, but sometimes a close shot presents, like 100 yds. I was wondering how explosive a 140 VLD may be under those conditions. My feeling is to chamber the 26 Nosler with the 140 VLD at optimal seating in the big case, with only the boattail hanging down in the case body. As posted earlier, that results in an approx. 3.5" COAL vs. the std. 3.34" COAL. I have 136 gr. Scenar-L, 130 NAB, 130 SSII and monometal bullets to try. Any of these could be used if the VLD proves too friable at close, high vel. impact on WT's etc. DF Yes the 140 Berger VLD or the 160 Matrix, I hear a 150 Matrix is out but not on the site yet with nearly as good BC. http://www.matrixballistics.com/.264-Caliber-rifle-bullets.html
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How does the Matrix perform on game?
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I searched the Matrix website. Those bullets are bonded and they have a nice gallery of game animals taken with Matrix bullets. So, maybe that's the answer.
I guess Matrix are like Berger VLD's with the bonus of being bonded like NAB's.
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I am not sure the VLD is bonded the way the site reads.
A friend has some .270 cal.coming in for a rifle he is building, a 7mag case necked down to .270, he had gobs 7mag cases & the barrel will be a 1-8. I will see how they do soon, I am going to get some for my 264
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Does 3250 count?
Shot an elk at 270. Great performance. JohnBurns has killed elk at under 100 yards with the same bullet and speed.
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Rick,
I've killed WT's with the 140 Berger VLD at 2,950 fps out of my 6.5-284, all DRT. Typically a very small entrance wound and some shrapnel coming out the other side. Lungs and heart torn up, but not turned to soup.
Going to the 26 Nosler and pushing these same bullets at much greater speed, sorta reminds me of going from the .243 to the .240. Bullets just act differently. Some that weren't too expansive in the .243 were way too explosive at 3,400 to 3,500 fps. out of the .240.
The 26 Nosler raises those same questions for me regarding bullet selection. I want bullets that do well way out there and don't make a mess at 100 yds.
Your thoughts appreciated.
DF
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The 150 Matrix looks real interesting. I don't know how the new, thinner jacket is going to hold up at high speed on game.
The B.C. numbers look great and it is a real "slick" bullet.
Can't wait to get my 26 Nosler put together and see what it will do.
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The matrix will hold up well. Probably better than a 129gr accubond lr given the velocities.
Also Bryan litz is currently testing a bunch of the matrix for BC and other factors. Not sure when it will be released though.
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Thanks, 805. Some Fire posters affectionately refer to the NAB as the "Accubomb". So pushing one to warp speed may make it a "bomb" on steriods... That's one reason I'm going to try the 130 SSII. The 150 Matrix will be moving a bit slower due to added mass and may not be that friable, although it reportedly has a thinner jacket. With the expected high B.C., it should do very well LR. Interesting stuff. DF
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I hope you have better luck with the Sciroccos than I did. I have 400 new in the box plus more at a great price if you're interested 
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OK, will keep that in mind.
They can definitely be quirky and are COAL sensitive. In my HS .240, because I had plenty of mag length, I tried loading them long. The .240 has very little freebore and I could touch the lands if I wanted to. They shot 1 1/2" in a half inch gun. I loaded them to Wby factory COAL, 3.07" IIRC, and they went sub inch. Go figure. I never got them to shoot as tight as NPT's, Scenars or NBT's.
They are tough and shouldn't blow up even when pushed. Just another interesting option that may or may not pan out.
I'm not a monometal fan, but have E-Tips and TTSX to try.
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Scirocco's are extremely finicky with overblown BC's.
Take a pass....
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Well, I already have 130 gr. SSII's on hand from other 6.5 projects.
Won't hurt to load a few just to see. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. I'm not putting much hope in them being "the bullet" for the 26.
My guess would be 150 Matrix, 140 Berger, NAB, LRAB, etc. If I knew for sure, I wouldn't have to spend time at the range, checking'em out. But, that's the fun of a project like this.
My hunting bud wants me to load NPT's in his 26. Those may not be my idea of an ideal LR bullet, but he loves them and I'll load him some.
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Forgot to add 136 Scenar L and 139 Scenar. One of those may work.
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I just read where Double Tap is offering their brand of 26 Nosler ammo, the 129 gr. LRAB moving at 3,600 fps and the Barnes 127 gr. LRX cranking out an amazing 3,650 fps.
Now, wonder how they're doing that while maintaining lawyer safe psi's...?
And, they're claiming 1/2 MOA out of the Nosler rifle and some custom guns.
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http://www.doubletapammo.net/index.php?route=product/product&path=130_382&product_id=700This one, reportedly, is reaching 1,000 yds., 15 MOA elevation with a 200 yd. zero. And, 2,149 fps and 1,322 ft. pounds of K.E. remaining with 160" drop. The LRAB with slightly more B.C. and the LRX with a bit more speed, perform about the same at 1K. It's basically a wash between the two. At $99 for the LRX and $89 for the LRAB, boxes of twenty, sorta pricey. That's a lotta bite for a 6.5. DF
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