Have you guys heard of the new 26 Nosler yet? Capable of launching a 129gr ABLR at 3400fps. Beltless case with a capacity listed at 93gr of water.

Gonna be a 375 Ruger necked down to 6.5...right?

Don't keep us in suspense.

Bet it's necked down 375 Ruger.

Thought a 25 would have been a better mouse trap than the 26 but what do I know.....

W

Good news for brass hunters though Easy neck up or down if brass is readily available and the 7 LRM is not....


W

woofer true I guess..we will see.

Pretty hot cartridge though,whatever it is...

How many before the tube is fried?

26. Hence the name.....

Yawn, another "flash in the pan", much like the .338RCM and so many others.

My 26"-.264WM, an original, minty, Mod. 70, in the "P-64-Westerner" version drives a 140 NP at 3250, no strain and can put three under an inch at 300M.

IF, you are cautious as to barrel temps, these old STS, cutrifled tubes will last MUCH longer than most seem to think and still give this performance.

I can certainly see a couple of "wildcats" on the old Newton or "new" Ruger case, but, while a .338" and .308" make sense, I do not see much point in a .264".

Whatever, it's not my money!

375 Ruger holds 85.5 grains of water

7mm STW holds 92.6 grains of water for a 120 grain bullet.

26 Nosler holds 93 grains of water

Gives a 'rough' idea.

Nosler list their fastest 264 win 130 at 3,166, add 200 fps as Nosler says and were at 3,366, approx.


I love the 26 cals and going beltless but have learned to look at down range impact speed. You only need so much unless your John Burns and killing past 1000 yds.

If you want a flat shooter, just get a 270 Wby, 130's at 3,500.

I think we'll see more "long range cartridge" introductions in the near future. It's a pretty hot fad right now....

Ruger screwed the pooch with their RCM's. Imagine the marketing potential had they dropped the RCM verbiage and just left it 300 Ruger? They could have introduced a .284 and .264, then targeted the long range crowd. For that matter, they could have made a few changes to the American Rifle (stock, barrel contour, twist) and marketed an affordable long range rifle to the masses. That platform is accurate -- I've seen the RAR shoot little bitty groups.

They would have sold gazillions by now......

So instead of a short fat it's a medium fat?

what in real world benefits do you really expect this new cartridge to do better under field conditions hunting game?
than what good rifle chambered in a 257 wby, 7mm stw or 300 wby, 340 wby, could provide used in experience skilled hands?
I can't see any advantages, unless, your extremely recoil sensitive ,and just want to spend cash on new toys, look if the object, of using the new cartridge is to place a good deal of energy on target down range at over 400 yards I don,t see where an inch or so flatter trajectory is going to change the outcome under field conditions on most hunts with the new caliber vs several of the older established cartridges

http://www.hornady.com/ballistics-resource/ballistics-calculator

http://www.hornady.com/store/30-Cal-.308-225-GR-BTHP-Match/

http://www.hornady.com/store/338-CAL-.338-285-Gr.-A-MAX/

http://www.hornady.com/store/6.5mm-.264-140-gr-SST/

Id bet you could provide a good deal more impact energy with the 300wby or 340 wby out at 500 yards and still have a fairly decent trajectory with the bullets linked above, and recoil is just not a huge factor for experienced riflemen when your only shooting a few shots

Very curious

I see no real world field advantage....but marketing can spin a ton of opinions. It's all about $$$$.

yep. still, I'm sort of interested to see how it does and what rifles its chambered in.

I don't see the reasoning in introducing a new product when you have a hard time keeping up with demand on current products, but I suppose the business needs to think ahead.

I haven't got a "regular" .264 Win. going yet and now somebody wants to sell me a newer one?

Geeeezzs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sounds like it has a pop named Jeffery.

It sounds awesome to me. I'll never get one, but at least they're making something.

When da fook are the 129 AB LR's going to be available?

It sounds awesome to me. I'll never get one, but at least they're making something.

Sounds interesting.

Would be interested in a Nosler 28 (284).

Interesting, where did you find that BCSteve ?

I think so......

No word from the higher ups yet.


http://noslerreloading.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=26173

I have been running them for months.

Just got this.....

I can't find anyone who has them in stock (and I've been looking). PM me if you have a secret source.

"Loaded with the 129gr. AB-LR, the 26 Nosler retains as much velocity at 400yards as the 260 Remington produces at the muzzle."

Is it that good or the 260 Rem. that slow?

Let me see what I can do.

It already exists and is called the 7mm RUM.

[quote=bearstalker]"Loaded with the 129gr. AB-LR, the 26 Nosler retains as much velocity at 400yards as the 260 Remington produces at the muzzle."


Holy crap if that is true I'm going to own one.

On second thought I already tried that with a 7RUM case necked down to .264. Anyone need a .264 RUM Redding custom sizer.

If I want to push that much powder, I think a larger bore is more efficient, and def will get better bbl life. That's from a 6.5 lover.

Maybe some Mag folks will like it, Weatherby fans have been hollering and waiting, well some have, about a 264 Wby....concept good, but I just think a 7mm or 30 makes better sense w/that much powder, and I am not a 30 fan, rather a 338 or 9.3 if I NEEDED more than a 270/280 class round, and at that I just shoot the short non-mag rounds......

It will be interesting but recoil should not be light given charge, so that will be found out in short order. No doubt the stats sizzle....

I would likely run a 270/7mm WSM in a short if I wanted something w/LR in a short action, and a simple 7 RM in a long. With good bullets the plain jane RM is highly capable, much brass/ammo and rifles abound.

It's not about efficiency it's about performance......Kinda a corvette vs gas mileage thing.

Did you all see their news release for today:

26 Nosler

to me the 264 win has been a failure, I don't know if its the way the case is designed or what. it just didn't work out for me. and I tried it twice. I have never had so much trouble being happy with a cartridge than the 264. I also don't know how great an idea it is to try and push match style VLD bullets to excessive speeds. for most of us these are expensive experiments. I don't think berger planned on their 140 vlds' being pushed much beyond 3100 fps.

there have been good reports about the 6.5 saum that GAP rifles has made. if I was wanting a hotrod 6.5 honestly I would have them do it, why because they have the reamer and setup that is already proven. the recipe for them is to load their 6.5 saum to low pressures but still decent speeds. sounds like something a large case 6.5 could also do.

The .264 is a failure because it hasn't worked for you?

Just a bit of a leap there...

Exactly. I want one. Custom, though ... short throat and a slow twist for 95 grain VMAXes and try to reach past 4000 fps. I want to put SERIOUS hurt on a jackrabbit.

Tom

Add says no recoil and you can hold on hair at a 1/4 mile... Gee....

W

what was your setup and ballistics?

I had it on a 24" single shot 700. A 264 WM barrel that had a badly eroded throat. My cousin had the reamer so he ran it in.

Crowded really hard with H870 or 50BMG I could break 3250 if I recall correctly but not by much.

Needed a lot more barrel than 24 to realize any improvement over the 264 WM. And it didn't take long to finish off that barrel.

((The 26 Nosler� cartridge was designed to take advantage of the inherently accurate and high B.C. 6.5mm (.264) caliber bullets, and is capable of shooting the Nosler� 129 grain, AccuBond� Long Range� bullet at a blazing 3400 fps out of the muzzle. Zeroed at 350 yards, the 26 Nosler� has a Point Blank Range of 0-415 yards. Loaded with the 129gr ABLR, the 26 Nosler� retains as much velocity at 400 yards as the 260 Remington� produces at the muzzle.)) Interesting concept But If you take a 300 win mag, load up a 125gr ballistic tip to 3500fps. You get the same results. Where is the better mouse trap part of the story?

I bet!

The higher BC bullets of the 26 Nosler will have a huge amount of less wind drift at long range and maintain velocity better than would a BC challenged 30 caliber 125 grain bullet

Gotta be one of the most humdrum names I've ever heard of for a cartridge...... I hope the R&D department did a better job than their PR department.

It'll burn up a lot of real slow powder that is still hard to find, hey that's where all the powder went!!

Agree, 2 digits vs 3.....hmmmm, not smelling success, personally.

Yes, high performance, sell the sizzle.

BTW, what speed will a 270 WSM run a 130?

3300 fps

This cartridge will fail miserably.

What's capacity of .338 Ultra Mag case?

With a 26 cal boolit i'd expect that velocity.

Mike

Happy enough with my 6.5 Weatherby pushing 140 NP's at 3410 fps. Any faster and I think you are just risking bullet failure. 140VLD's blew up on the hide of a deer at that same speed at approx 100 yards.

Killertraylor,



Is that based on the .300 case?

Not necessarily ... if the cartridge can be necked up to 7mm or 338cal, and it cleans out a regular 7mmmRemMag and 338WinMag chamber and will feed from the magazine and through the action ... it will potentially be a success just as the 7mmSTW was.

Most 7mmRemMags and 338WinMags come with 24-26" barrels, a simple rechamber that adds horsepower ... could be very interesting!
Cheers...
Con

I like the idea of beltless 30-06 length magnums. I had a 7 lrm for a while and really liked the concept. At least they went with a decent bullet diameter instead of a 25 or 27. Hopefully it has a 30 degree shoulder, a long neck, and no rebated rim. It does sound like a lot of capacity for a 6.5. You have to run really slow powders to get good load density in a 264 win. Sounds like the case will make a decent 28 or 30.

Bb

Well...it fits a 30/06 length magazine box and action, so it isn't based on a beltless STW case or RUM....both of those take a H&H length action.

I bet brass is Norma and likely thin,which may account for the case volume. I still think it's gonaa be similar to the 7 LRM,the 7mm Dakota(same thing with different head size),necked to 6.5, which boils down to a necked 375 Ruger....that's my bet,but we will see.

Anyway I think it sounds pretty cool! Gotta be a pretty mean open country cartridge.

I'd order a spare barrel right away.

The 264 Win Mag boys have been trying for decades to get 3200 from 140 gr bullets.....some powders do it and some don't I guess. Well, seems that will be a safe bet with this cartridge....so there ya go!What's not to like?

Nope,it will be a "proprietary" cartridge,like Dakota's and A-Square line of cartridges and rifles. Nosler will have rifles,brass and loaded ammo for it. Will the big ammo/gun companies pick it up,time will tell.

{The various P-64 Westerners, owned by buddies and I, all have made 3200+, with 140 NPs over IMR-7828 and I expect that RE-25, will do much the same. If, I were younger, I would have grabbed a couple of minty Westerners, that have come my way in the past several years, as for $3K to $3500.00, one can install a Micky, Bansner, Brown or whatever and a Conquest or VX3 and you are good to go.

Mine, will put the 140 NP into tiny groups at 300M all day with the above load at 3250 average, a good shot, better than me, can do major work at LONG range with this, IMHO.

Kutenay I have not worked with the cartridge too much....only 2 of them and then just with the 125 NPT.

sectional density (more a applicable to lead bullets) and BC

Two very important question?

Rate of twist?

Will it need blue tape?

Maybe Nosler can cerakoat the whole barrel blue. That would make it more better than everyone else's widget.

I personally have always wanted a 264 Mag. I tried a 257 WB and side bt side they are almost indistinguishable, but this new one sounds like quite a cartridge. It's gunna cost you in barrel life and $$ to go this fast though. At what point is enough just enough?

most likely 1:9 or what ever deal they worked out with pac-nor.

Blue tape???? Do not know what you're talking about

For a fella who has an old mag action laying around and is willing to run this at moderate pressure, I can see it as a fun "out west" rifle project. Launch a 127 LRX at 3150ish and enjoy plenty of ballistic performance and extended barrel life.

Very happy if that brass ever lands on a shelf. Other than that the ? is why not a 338 or a 25? The 26 has coyotied itself off a cliff since the dawn of time.... The 7 is covered X a billion. 30 has been beat to death. There is nice room for a 2.5" case w/capacity for a 338 and the whole world would enjoy a 25...

If they want Gee Whiz numbers whats a 25 xxx look like in that case?

Dunno....

W

I think the .257 caliber gets put aside anymore , because of the limited number of bullets with a decent B.C. while 6.5s have a large selection of bullets with B.C.s over .500 and some in the .600 range. Otherwise .007 of an inch aint much difference! Just my opinion.

I get that but this is all handload stuff anyway really so bullet choice while limited is still viable for the 25.
Can you imagine if they named it 6.5? DRT....


w

Bingo and I do have a soft spot for the 25 caliber! That might change with an introduction of a .257 LRAB....

Going by the listed case capacity in H2O, as a 25cal it'd be just a fraction greater sized than a 257STW.

I think this case capacity requires at-least a 7mm ahead of it. A 338 is a natural, but recoil will hurt many buyers.
Cheers...
Con

The ONLY advantage, as the long range target shooters have found, in the 6.5 is that it has less recoil than the bigger cousins. The heaviest bullet that you will find (without resorting to some custom stuff) is a 140 (discount the poor BC 142 SMK) grain VLD or similar. The best one out there is probably the Berger hybrid at .618.

Jump up to the 7mm and you have a BC of .674 with the 180 grainer.

Next up the ladder in both recoil and BC is the 230 grain VLD with a BC of .743 and finally, the 300 grain OMG is reported to have a BC of .818.

If you go to specialty bullets in 338, 375 and 408 you can get BCs that approach or exceed 1.000.

The 6.5 is a fantastic caliber in that it is a near perfect balance of recoil, utility and bullet weight. When talking about long range shooting bigger is ALWAYS better. It's just at some point you lose the utility that you want.

I think the 6.5s are better suited at 3200 fps and under. If you want to push a bullet that caliber faster, you might as well go on up to the 7mms. I notice a considerable increase in recoil in shooting a 7WSM with 180s compared to my 6.5 with 140s. I also notice a considerable increase in shooting my 340 with 250s.

There is no free lunch. I think Nosler has a dumb idea!

This is easily done in a .264 wm with the correct throat. My 26" barrel runs 140's at 3260 with a mild load of retumbo. My guess is also a variation of the 7lrm or even on a saum case.

If you can get 3400 fps out of a 264 Win mag and 140s you are caressing an IED.

3400 with 130's as nosler is advertising. Was giving an example of the 140's .

Nosler is doing a marketing job, but I wonder if they did their Market Research? More powder = diminished ROI, and bore life, I am sure they know that, but wonder what gave them the idea this will be a success?

What will a 7 RM or WSM not do in an accurate rifle with good bullets as far as 99% of anyone has business shooting? Really a 260 class round will take 95% of the game killed in NA, at the ranges 95% are taken, IMHO.

99% of gun owners wont shoot out a barrel and wont know 400 from 650... I am real happy someone got up and made a nice case in a medium caliber so its easier to neck anyway you want instead of trying to come down from 338 or such.
Capacity is on the big side but could be worse. Brass wont cost $2 I hope but should be of quality. They are certainly pimping their own guns with their own cartridge. I'm good with that. Just as long as brass makes it out the door they can print whatever they want.
Shame it's a 260. I think it would have some real market value as a 7 even though that horse is dead.

W

Gee.....I wasn't there....but I bet the same conversations went on around the Hot Stove league when the 270 Winchester was introduced.

"It'll never catch on!.....what's it for???...the 30/06 is mo betta!!!!"....I can hear it all now.

Until a few backed off 200-400 yards with Lyman 48's and 2.5X scopes, and started whacking things.

Today seems those in the know love 6.5's.....and many today grow faint and would rather stay home if they can't hunt with a bullet the BC of which isn't in the .600's.

Think about it,and the commercial lineup does not contain anything in the way of a high performance 6.5 other than the 264WM,while we are up to our eyeballs in 7mm's and 30's....McWhorters website shows lots of 6.5's but most are not factory rounds......seems this will do the 264 WM one better,and be about like their 6.5 Weatherby.And we have the powders for it along with the bullets.

Plus not everyone wants to spin turrets to get to 400-450 yards;nor is there always time, but that flat trajectory is another tool in the arsenal.

I think it's a swell idea!

Exactly. Citing the maximum PBR without giving the size of the target is an interesting way to go.

Anyone seen/have picture of this new cartridge?
129's at 3400, whats the catch? There is no free lunch, that kind of velocity in that caliber means short barrel life or are they using a looong barrel to get that velocity?

What a bunch of whiners "short barrel life" so what,Douglas,Shilen,Shaw,Pac-Nor etc.. will be making barrels on Monday,Tuesday etc.. The cartridge is not even in production and already people are predicting failure,no one seen one,let alone SHOT one.

I dunno, I think barrel life is a valid consideration if you shoot a lot. Unless Douglas, Shilen, Shaw, Pac-nor etc. are giving 'em away. And I don't know about you, but when I put a rifle together and it's a shooter, I like the feeling of knowing I'm going to get a few thousand rounds out of it without having to start over.

For me it boils down to "how fast do you need" though. I already have a 30-06 length .264 that gets me out to a thousand yards. With (I'd wager) significantly less recoil and longer barrel life. Sometimes less is more.

You and I are going to agree to disagree.

You guys think it will be in Nosler rifles only? Or will other manufacturers produce be making them too?

Then it's settled.

I don't need to shoot one, to know I personally don't need one, nor want one. Everyone hunts different, or has different psychological or emotional needs/wants to be met.

Seems that PBR is zeroing POA at 350 yds.....

They should've zeroed at 450, now that would be an impressive PBR....

That thing will go thru barrels like I motor thru an all you can eat buffet.

Just to play devils advocate, does it really matter if it burns a barrel up in 1,000-1,500 rounds? Say the average hunter will take it out and zero it......thats maybe 10-20 rounds if you have a hard time. From then on it will be shot in the field. If you are lucky lets say 8-10 times a year. And thats assuming that its the only rifle you ever use. We are talking a lifetime of use to get 1,000 rounds. These are not benchrest or target rifles. Also, even if the accuracy degrades somewhat over time, say from 3/4" groups to 1.5" or even 2" groups......that is minute of deer all the live long day. Remember when Weatherby rifles came with a 1.5" guarantee and everyone thought that was just great? It's still plenty good enough.

IMHO this round my do fairly well. Assuming that Nosler chambers it in their Trohy Grade rifle which is fairly affordable at 1600-1700 dollars. Now if they go and chamber it only in their custom line in the 4000-5000 dollar range, it will be a different story.

As far as Nosler being the only one to chamber it, I don't see that as a problem. How long were Weatherby cartridges proprietary? How about Lazzeroni? Lazzeroni doesn't set the woods on fire, but he is still in business.

I can see an entire line of Nosler cartridges.....maybe 33 Nosler, 35 Nosler or even a 25 Nosler.

These are good times to be a rifle nut. Just enjoy it.

If a guy is only shooting 8-10 rounds a year, he would be much better off with a more sedate cartridge. This is because he will not possess the skillset to take advantage of this rounds capabilities, which are really only going to be seen at really long range.

You must be an easterner. 10 rounds a year is not enough to maintain long range shooting skills. If you are only going to shoot your LR rig 10 times a year, you have no business shooting past 300 yards.

BS, one can shoot something else to practice with.

Who says those that will buy the rifle are dedicated LR shooters?

I see people in prius's at Home Depot all the time, nothing worth buying at HD will fit in a prius.

People buy things all the time without using it for its intended use.

Good luck getting good dope on 8-10 rounds per year.

Thanks but it ain't hard in my experience. Once sighted in an verified by my ex-bal program I haven't experienced much of a problem

Exactly most will never shoot past 500 yards if that far and velocity rules for that type of shooting

Hey, if you're comfortable hunting long range with a rifle you fire 8-10 round a year though, then I don't even know where to begin....

Depends who the intended audience is. If its long-range target shooters then it matters. If its hunters then it matters less, but will they go a 26Nosler over an established 7mmRemMag, or 7mmRUM, or 300WinMag, or 300RUM, or ...

A hunter for trophy animals can make do with a barrel burner, but where does a 264cal sit with dedicated trophy animal hunters?

Living here in far of Australia, issues to adoption become ammunition and component availability. If the rifles land well before dies, components and good factory ammunition is available ... then kiss it good bye because the enthusiasts/rifle-loonies are vastly out numbered by regular hunters that see little need for something specialised that they cant get ammunition for.

Personally, I'll get a floating pilotted reamer for the 26Nosler, but only to run it into a 338cal barrel or a 7mm. The options to rechamber regular barrels are boundless.
Cheers...
Con

That I am sure of if you didn't comprehend in the first place. Long range for many is between 300 to 500 yards and it don't take hundreds of rounds a month to accomplish

Uhhh.....this is the long range hunting forum.

It's always interesting to read reactions to a new cartridge. especially the accusation that Nosler is "marketing" something. Geez, last time I looked, that's what companies in the business of selling stuff do. It would be pretty dumb to make a new product and not market it. As for whether Nosler did their "market research," I would strongly suspect they did, since they're also not in the business of offering products just because they guess somebody MIGHT buy them. They also went to the trouble and expense of having the round approved by SAAMI.

I doubt Nosler cares whether another company chambers their new round. They're not Remington, Ruger or Winchester, out to produce and sell hundreds of thousands of bolt-action rifles a year, everywhere from mom-and-pop stores to Walmart. Instead they make a few thousand that are relatively specialized, in somewhat the same way Ruger makes No. 1's anymore.

If we are excluding long range from the equation, I still believe the average guy would be better off with a smaller round, as the 26 Nosler will be over most folk's (read: the average guy who doesn't shoot much) recoil threshold.

As to the name, I kinda like that Nosler left out any Ultra, Xtreme, or Magnum type nomenclature.

It takes a whole lot more than 8-10 rounds a year to be proficient at 300-500 yards.

The barrel life thing is nonsense...if you burn one in 1000-1500 rounds, screw on a new one.

Doesn't any serious rifleman have a spare tube at home for his favorite rifle? If not,it makes as much sense as having one box of bullets.

Barrels re MADE to be burned out.

I shot a lot of rounds out of different rifles I don't have to shoot my largest powder burner all the time to be proficient with it.

The 264 win mag is a barrel burner but rcumuglia is proficient with his and so is John Burns

Wow, didn't mean to ruffle so many feathers! I never said that I intend to shoot long range with the rifle. I will not personally shoot at anything over 300 yards. That's just my comfort zone. And I also have plenty of other rifles that I shoot to keep my form. The point I was trying to make is this........if a guy has several rifles in his battery, and he only uses each one occasionally, he will never shoot the barrel out of the 26 Nosler. Why does everyone automatically assume that a guy can't just buy a rifle because they like it? What's wrong with having a rifle for every day of the week? Isn't variety the spice of life? It would be a boring hobby if we only bought guns we had a purpose for.

Besides, if a man's rifles are all set up the same as far as optics and trigger pull, does it really matter which one he is shooting as long as he is shooting one of them? I don't think it does, but I'm no expert. As long as your fundamentals are sound, and you practice like you hunt, I don't see an issue.

I don't believe anyone is surprised that Nosler is marketing its new product, that's not what I was commenting on. The question is whether the attibutes of its new product are just marketing hype or real. I think it's the former.

Well, we'll all be able to find out shortly. But I just ran some numbers through various calculations, and there's no reason a somewhat larger capacity 6.5mm than the .264 Winchester shouldn't get 3400 with a 129-grain bullet, especially with a 26" barrel. And if they do, there's no reason not to meet their claim of a 415-yard point-blank range with a zero at 350 for mule deer/caribou/elk-sized game.

In fact I've run a 100-grain bullet from a 24" .257 Weatherby at about 3500 fps, sighted it in 2" high at 100, and found bullets still landed about an inch high at 300 and 5-6" low at 400. That was in typical pronghorn weather of 50-70 degrees, but the rifle did it over and over again. Why couldn't a 6.5mm 129 with a MUCH higher BC at 3400 fps do something very similar?

Sure it could. Why stop at 3400 though.

It could and it should be a success because many hunters would love that type of a point blank range.

Recoil would not be a problem IMHO, a win, win

Personally, I think it looks interesting as well. I will have plenty of slightly build shooters who will need to learn the long range game. Could be an interesting platform for this. However, that tube would see a lot more then 10 rounds a year.

Interestingly enough, one could load a 270 Weatherby with the 130 grain Berger Classic Hunter at 3400 fps, and at 400 yards, it is within .5" of drift, and .2" of trajectory of the 26 Nosler, when both are zeroed at 250 yards, at 3200 feet ASL.

Edit: A Berger at 3400 fps probably wouldn't be my first choice if and when an up-close shot presented itself. I simply put this up as an example of what a similar extant round is capable of.

Chuckling at this one....

Like most generalizations this one flops into the hopper.

I could cite lots of examples, but what's the point.

You're right, of course. I don't doubt that the new cartridge will do what they say it will (poorly-worded post, my fault) I'm just skeptical of the practical advantages. I was ready to shoot my pronghorn with my 6.5-06 Ackley at 500 yards this year but ended up shooting it at 60 with a MV of 3,050. I had plenty of velocity and the right bullet to get out past 500 and I agree with Prairie Goat on the downside of hyper-velocity at close range, it was bad enough at 3,050.

It all boils down to "how much is enough" and you can't get much more subjective than that. I'd bet that Nosler will sell enough rifles to make it worth their while, and they are smart to capitalize on all the interest in LR hunting with both the ABLR and a new cartridge that will be the velocity king in factory .264's.

When people talk about the advantages of 6.5's they invariably talk about the caliber being a good balance between high-bc bullets that are heavy enough for big game up to elk but with manageable recoil. It just seems to me that a 130 or 140 pushed by 90 grains of powder will be nudging the outside of that envelope, as far as recoil.

Just the opinion of a guy who sold his 264 WMs in favor of the 6.5-06, so take it with a grain of salt.

By the way, is the italicized text in your quote above what Nosler said about the cartridge, or is that an interpretation on your part?

That's what I am thinkin too.. Should be an easy 3200 with the 140's and man, recoil shouldn't be horrible at all. My 264 is really a baby with 140's right at 3200.. Plus, mine is a Sporter weight rifle. Might not burn up the sales, but I like being about to get the cartridge in a regular magazine (on a Model 70)..

"With minimal recoil, tremendous velocity, energy and the ability to point and shoot at the intended target up to a quarter mile away, this is the quintessential deer, antelope and long-range target cartridge available on the market today.�

What's the correlation between water capacity (stated in the Nosler info as 93gr) and powder capacity? I'm trying to guess how much powder this new cartridge will take so I can get an idea of actual recoil, not some advertising guy's subjective opinion.

I would bet, as the others have said, it is probably based off the 375 Ruger. So it is probably somewhere between the 264WM and 6.5 Weatherby..

Cartridge : .264 Win. Mag.
Bullet : .264, 140, Nosler AccuBond 39457
Useable Case Capaci: 74.857 grain H2O = 4.860 cm�
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder 33

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-10.0 90 68.25 2854 2533 42416 14079 94.8 1.523
-09.0 91 69.01 2892 2599 44039 14259 95.4 1.496
-08.0 92 69.76 2929 2666 45731 14432 96.0 1.470
-07.0 93 70.52 2966 2735 47497 14597 96.5 1.444
-06.0 94 71.28 3003 2804 49326 14754 97.0 1.418
-05.0 95 72.04 3040 2874 51219 14904 97.5 1.393
-04.0 96 72.80 3078 2944 53185 15046 97.9 1.369
-03.0 97 73.56 3115 3016 55230 15179 98.3 1.345
-02.0 98 74.31 3152 3089 57357 15303 98.6 1.322 ! Near Maximum !
-01.0 99 75.07 3189 3162 59571 15418 98.9 1.299 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 100 75.83 3226 3236 61875 15523 99.2 1.276 ! Near Maximum !
+01.0 101 76.59 3264 3311 64275 15619 99.4 1.254 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0 102 77.35 3301 3387 66775 15704 99.6 1.232 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0 103 78.10 3338 3463 69381 15779 99.8 1.210 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 104 78.86 3374 3540 72097 15844 99.9 1.190 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0 105 79.62 3411 3617 74930 15898 100.0 1.169 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by � 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 100 75.83 3402 3599 77164 14976 100.0 1.162 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 100 75.83 2977 2756 47606 15061 92.8 1.428


Cartridge : 6.5-300 Weath. Mag.
Bullet : .264, 140, Nosler AccuBond 39457
Useable Case Capaci: 89.427 grain H2O = 5.806 cm�
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.560 inch = 90.42 mm
Barrel Length : 26.0 inch = 660.4 mm
Powder : Alliant Reloder 33

Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge,
incremented in steps of 1.0% of nominal charge.
CAUTION: Figures exceed maximum and minimum recommended loads !

Step Fill. Charge Vel. Energy Pmax Pmuz Prop.Burnt B_Time
% % Grains fps ft.lbs psi psi % ms

-10.0 84 76.50 2929 2667 44926 15860 96.9 1.533
-09.0 85 77.35 2965 2733 46531 16040 97.4 1.507
-08.0 86 78.20 3001 2800 48191 16212 97.8 1.481
-07.0 87 79.05 3037 2867 49909 16375 98.2 1.457
-06.0 88 79.90 3073 2935 51687 16529 98.6 1.432
-05.0 89 80.75 3109 3004 53526 16675 98.9 1.409
-04.0 90 81.60 3144 3074 55431 16811 99.2 1.385 ! Near Maximum !
-03.0 91 82.45 3180 3144 57402 16937 99.4 1.362 ! Near Maximum !
-02.0 92 83.30 3216 3214 59442 17053 99.6 1.340 ! Near Maximum !
-01.0 93 84.15 3251 3286 61555 17159 99.8 1.318 ! Near Maximum !
+00.0 94 85.00 3286 3357 63744 17255 99.9 1.296 ! Near Maximum !
+01.0 95 85.85 3321 3429 66011 17339 100.0 1.275 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+02.0 96 86.70 3356 3502 68360 17413 100.0 1.254 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+03.0 97 87.55 3391 3575 70794 17478 100.0 1.234 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+04.0 98 88.40 3426 3649 73317 17539 100.0 1.213 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
+05.0 99 89.25 3460 3723 75933 17600 100.0 1.194 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!

Results caused by � 10% powder lot-to-lot burning rate variation using nominal charge
Data for burning rate increased by 10% relative to nominal value:
+Ba 94 85.00 3447 3693 77940 16625 100.0 1.184 !DANGEROUS LOAD-DO NOT USE!
Data for burning rate decreased by 10% relative to nominal value:
-Ba 94 85.00 3053 2897 49857 17065 95.3 1.447

Why would you set up a Long Range rig exactly like all your other rifles? A 6.5x20 works well on a plains rifle, but it's too much magnification for a general purpose rifle that may be in and out of the woods. A long barrel will add velocity a person can take advantage of in the open, but again, it's less then optimum in the bush.

Once your on the windswept plains of Wyoming and Montana, it's not the distance your fighting, it's the wind. Distance is a constant. Within certain limits, you can dial it and forget it (until the game moves), but wind is a variable, and spin drift can cause bullets to do strange things at distance. Change the caliber, you change these behaviors. When you start dealing with this, computer charts and tables will only get you so far, the rest you have to figure out the hard way, shooting your LR rifle at distance under varying conditions.

Besides, if you plan to set up every rifle exactly the same, you might as well just have a .300 WSM with a 180gr NBT, and a .223, and be done with it.

So somewhere between 75gr and 85gr of powder for a max load?

With 85gr of powder, a 129gr bullet, in an 8lb rifle producing 3400fps, the free recoil energy is 24.01 ft/lbs.

As a comparison, a 300 Win Mag with a 180gr bullet @ 2918fps, using 67gr of H4350 in the same 8lb rifle would produce 24.93 ft/lbs of recoil.

So this "mild recoiling" 26 Nosler will actually be almost indistinguishable from a 300 Win Mag in recoil.

If, however, we go with a max load being 75gr of powder, free recoil drops to 21.61 ft/lbs. That's almost identical to a max load of H4350 with a 180gr bullet in a 30-06: STILL not a "mild" recoiling cartridge in my book!

Yep, it's gonna kick!

Yep, it's going to kick. What's more, since it's achieving that level of numerical recoil with a lighter bullet and more velocity, it's likely to kick "quicker", more of a jab than a shove.

This is funny. It offers better performance, that alone will get some people to buy it whether they need it or not.

That's been going on for half a century and ain't likely to stop.

I'm sure the general hunting public is interested in what calibers a few members here think they should be restricted to...

One God is enough for everyone.

And I agree it will have a quick, sharp kick. Guessing it will be similar to my 7WSM with 140 grain pills.

I'm not so interested in big volume 26's. I want BC to do all the work, not powder.

Well you're getting both with this one. May not make for a 2000 round barrel, but that's no big deal to me.

This is certainly more worthy than the .30 TC.

That was a joke.

Czech1022,

Sorry not to put it mildly, but where in the hell did you get 24.93 foot-pounds of recoil out of a .300 Winchester and a 180 at 2900+ fps in an 8-pound rifle?

There are a bunch of recoil formulas out there. I just ran the numbers you provided through Sierra's and the recoil came out to almost 30 foot-pounds. My own recoil formula, which I developed over a decade ago, includes a factor for "rocket effect" that most formulas don't. It comes up with 33 foot-pounds.

Anybody who can't tell the difference between the recoil of a .264 Winchester and .270 Weatherby and 130-grain bullets from a .300 Winchester shooting 180's either hasn't shot any of them much, or is one of those iron-shoulder kick-addicts who profess to love getting the snot beaten out of them by a .458 Lott.

I've shot an 8-pound .270 Weatherby with 130's at 3400+ considerablynd it AIN'T a .300 Winchester Magnum.

I'm working on a light .300 WM for a friend. Even with 180's, that thing will slap you.

I'd rather shoot my .404J. It kicks but doesn't seem to be mad at anyone...

DF

I always figured that there had to be more to it than just the "weight of the ejecta" that so many writers bandy about.

Handloads.com online recoil calculator. I just repeated it with the same results.

Looks like I need to find a better data source!

I'd say so!

The 26 Nosler will kick a little more than a .264 Winchester, probably more like a 7mm Remington Magnum with 140-grain bullets. So yes, it will kick more than a .270 Winchester, but it ain't gonna kick like any of the .300 magnums with 180's.

Went from "barrel burner" to "kicks too much" and no one shot,seen or owns a 26 Nosler yet,only on the internet.

You left out that the case neck stretches too much.

What's the possibility of driving a 130 grain to 3,600? I've seen some chrony results with 257 wby and 115 grain...into the 3680's with RL17. Possible or a pipe dream ?

36" barreled 257 Weatherby and 75000 psi?

I grew up on 6.5's but have wandered away. Like the prodigal son, I just may return.

And the name stinks, so no one will even buy it.

Nope, 26" and 69 gr of RL 17 was the claim...

ndhunterman,only if you AI it.

John Moses,I stand corrected.

What's in a name? I want numbers. Call it a 26 fudrucker for all I care.

the 260 Nosler would have sounded better in my humble opinion.

When it comes to naming new cartridges, seems like two numbers are in vogue these days.

Correction- 69.4 gr of RL 22 was the claim...

The thing is, it's not some magical new round that will suddenly change the entire world. We can calculate the recoil, and from comparing it to similar rounds have a relative idea on barrel life. I wouldn't feel right commenting on all details of how it will perform until I've seen one in action, but I feel comfortable saying it will kick pretty hard in a sporter weight rifle, and it's not going to be a rifle I'd wanna spend much time with on a dog town.....if I was paying for barrels and ammo, anyway.

With a 115 Berger, Quickload predicts a similar velocity, at 91000 psi. I know the free bore will reduce pressure, and Quickload isn't always accurate, but still....

If its a 3 lug BAT action , you will live , but it will be a little tough on Brass!!!!

People use .264 cal rifles for varmints?

Twice the powder for 200 fps was never something I was impressed with. Give me a 6.5 x 55 Swede and I can do 95% what the 26 nosler does with half the powder.

Shod

Thanks PG, that's all I needed to see! Pipe dream. Oh well , still interested to see how this thing performs. Won't be trading my 7 mag but curious non the less.

3200fps with a 129 grain out of a swede? Please expound..

Not directed at you personally Prairie goat. IMHO the cartridge is for big game like Antelope,Mule Deer,Sheep or any other animal that MIGHT be killed at long range. Recoil and barrel life is something I just don't worry about when buying a rifle. I'm paying for a certain level of performance that I want ie .300 Wby or .338 RUM or .257 Wby. If it's too much recoil for I sell the d*** thing and go to a smaller caliber. A 26 Nosler would not bother me in recoil and barrel life as I would find a load and then shoot critters with it.

I use whatever is in the vehicle when I drive by the dog town. Best practice there is.

Has it been compared to the 270Win yet? That's when you know anything new is good.
Cheers...
Con

So you wouldn't buy it based on the possibility you might ride by a dog town and it kicks too much?

Point is, it's a big game cartridge and as such it's recoil should be acceptable in that role.

I'm waitin' for Locoweed to show up and ask us all how many deer we've killed. That's gotta be comin' up....

Interesting thread. Yes JB, perhaps I was harsh on the Marketing comments. Time will tell.

As to the name the JB-29 sounds cooler, if it were a 29

One thing is for certain, Nosler has made a gamut of high quality products, so I do applaud their choice in starting with a 6.5 mm

Perhaps Noz wants to create a line up of hot high performance rounds like Weatherby has been branded, laser flat trajectories and lightening fast killing power. The sizzle sold for Ed.

A .264/6.5mm was the gap in the WBY line up. It would be a simple nomenclature. 22 Noz, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29

I've lost count of how many have posted that if Ruger had chambered the RCM in 6.5 they couldn't have made 'em fast enough. Now, someone is coming out with an even faster beltless 6.5 but it has been anointed as a POS and no one has seen it yet.

Haven't found a 6.5 that I hadn't liked yet.

My 300 win shoots a 180 grain bullet to 3070 fps with 81 grains of H-1000, so what's the recoil

Me too!

That's right, no one has seen one yet. So Nosler can claim "greatest thing since sliced bread status" without making any available, but no one is allowed to question that without having shot one? Is that how this works?

BTW, I read your post where you said barrel life is not a big deal for you and the recoil won't bother you. I wouldn't question those opinions, because it wouldn't make sense to. That's what works for you. And you came to those opinions without having shot one.

Thing is, if someone else says barrel life matters and they'd rather shoot something with less recoil, those particular opinions are no less valid than yours. It's not necessarily an argument, just two different ways of looking at this.



If you take the time to actually read the posts from some who have commented on the negative side, you'll see that one goes by 65BR and a few others have talked about wildcat alternatives like the 6.5 SAUM and 6.5-06. Seems these are not the kind of guys who are trying to limit the number of chamberings people use.

Seems the only thing people are trying to limit here is the kind of opinions expressed. Which is funny all by itself.

Acceptable to who? An acceptable amount of recoil is about as subjective as you can get, a point lost on many.

I'd wager that many who buy this will use it for long-range steel and target shooting. Can you tell me what "acceptable recoil" is for that application?

Anybody wanna bet they hamstring it right outta the gate and introduce it with a 1-9" twist to "optimize" it's performance with the 129?

I've shot 140s from a 264 WM, extensively. Also shot 180s from a 300 WM extensively.

Recoil isn't even slightly similar, and the 300 was heavier. Same stock, same gun, etc... 300 had a magnum weight 24" barrel, 264 has the lighter 24" sporter.

What's wrong with that? You can't get to 3,400 fps with the 140......

No, I wouldn't buy it based on the fact that I don't like recoil, and the the 26 Nosler in a packable rifle is sure as hell going to be above 95% of the casual shooter's recoil limit. I used the p-dog town reference in regards to barrel life.

I agree and that's with a whole bunch of 300 Win Mag's.Even a 7 Rem Mag rocks less,over all.

About all I ever noticed with a 264 is that it "kicks" of course,but the punch is lighter.

The rifles for 264 and 7 Rem Mag do not require that gorilla grip to control common among the 300's.

Those that think that the new 26 Noseler will kick as much are more than a 300 mag are clueless

Those that think that were one guy who already admitted his calculations were off....

95%...?

You really think 95% of shooters can't handle .264 recoil?

I'd guess maybe 20-25%. Of course, some will flinch shooting a .308. I've seen new shooters flinch shooting a .22LR.

But all shooters is a pretty big net to be throwing.

DF

This might prove to be the greatest thing since sliced bread. Or, they could have done something that would have fit into a SA like a 6.5 WSM. For the record, the 6.5 WSM is the best thing since biscuits and gravy, which is better than sliced bread.

Now, that's good...

DF

Maybe I was a few % points off. I've seen hundreds of shooters come through hunting camp, and noted that around 10% can handle a 300 Mag effectively, and probably 25% a 7mm Mag. Somewhere south of 20 lbs. of recoil is about all the vast majority of average guys can effectively wield.

That is good. 95% of eaters prefer biscuits and gravy to sliced bread.

I'll go with your numbers, for sure...

DF

Maybe if you read a little you would have noticed some were comparing it to a 300 mag launching 180 grain pills. Laffin

That's bullshit and anyone who has shot rifles very long knows it.

If you look at recoil generated by big game rifles in use today, this one isn't near the top. JB said it would probably generate the recoil of a 7 mag shooting 140 pills.

So I stand by my statement that the recoil in this rifle will be acceptable in a big game application by a vast majority of hunters.

Let me connect the dots for you... The 7 mag is one of the most popular cartridges in use today. So obviously many find its recoil acceptable.

Think a little, if a 7mag is acceptable, why wouldn't this be? Sounds line you're hunting an excuse to dislike it, just picked the wrong reason.

Again- if this offering doesn't sell, it won't be because it kicked to hard.

A guy has to remember that the guys on the fire shoot, or at least claim to. Many, many folks won't put a box of rounds through their hunting rifles a year, whether from expense, lack of time, disinterest, lack of nearby ranges, or whatever. So they would be far, far, far better off shooting at deer with a 243 then a fire breathing magnum.

This is beside the point of the round, I know.

After observing a lot of people at the range, I believe the level of recoil many have found acceptable and the level of recoil they can actually manage well aren't necessarily the same thing.

Exactly. Lots of us feel the need to shoot larger rounds than we need, or can effectively handle - whether because of a perceived need, because we are "tough" and real men shoot magnums, or whatever.

I've seen some guys who claimed recoil didn't bother them, but the 6 inch groups they fired at 100 yards revealed the truth. There have been some that were far, far worse (as in not being able to consistently hit a 2x4' piece of plywood at 100 yards). Sometimes we take these guys to a prairie dog town and give them a 223, before we even go hunting. After flinching their way through the first few rounds, they realize how easy and fun it is to shoot. They start making hits, and gain confidence. They then take the 223 hunting, and kill a deer.

I'd wager a fair sum that the enormous majority of those guys who shoot magnums would shoot lesser recoiling guns better and more effectively. Putting the proper bullet in the proper place is more important than putting the proper bullet, traveling 400 fps faster, kindof close to the proper place. Let's just leave it at that.

I'll up my wager. There isn't a human that shoots a 300 WM better than a 243 of similar weight. Dudes who have bigger/faster syndrome (me included), will go for these type offerings. Some will execute better than others. Nosler offering a big 6.5 twon't change a thing. They're a marketing company, and they know that bigger/faster syndrome is a pandemic.

Maybe if you read a little you'll see that was one guy who already admitted his numbers were off. Laffin that you missed that.






Let me connect the dots for you now. I don't "dislike" anything. As I said above, I think the rifles will sell and I think Nosler is smart to capitalize on all the interest in LR shooting with both the ABLR and this new chambering. Or, you could turn that around and say they're a little late to the party, depending on your point of view.

And I really don't give a rat's ass what is "acceptable" to the vast majority. The only comments I've made pertain to my own personal preferences. If I'm going to spend the cash that Nosler is no doubt going to ask for this rifle (anybody pegged that number yet, it won't be cheap) then it's going to be something that I'll want to shoot a lot.

This cartridge doesn't look like it's something that I'll want to shoot a lot. Especially since I like light rifles for hunting.

RARE is the man who, with a Sendero weight rifle chambered in the above calibers, can fire from prone with a loop sling, and maintain natural point of aim from shot to shot. IE, the dominant hand comes up and flicks the bolt and no azz-wiggling.

Put that same rifle in a heavier AI stock, the percentage of folks who can do that goes up

Those who can do that with the same calibers, in an 8# rifle, probably have an NFL or WWF background.

Tolerating recoil is mostly psychological. Managing recoil is a bit mental but mostly physics.

The quote of the year, right there!

Rare is the man who, in a hunting situation, would fire from prone and choose a loop sling over a rest. Especially in order to take advantage of what this cartridge has to offer. It's a long range cartridge.

I suppose there is a point to be made by your comment? No one was talking about shooting positions while hunting till you brought it up, I merely brought up the loop sling to demonstrate the physics of recoil mangagement, not to reccomend its use in the field. Real riflemen know how to use one though, and a TAB or Ching is nearly as effective and a HELL of a lot faster than trying to shoot off of a pack, but I digress.....

If you're hunting long range and "faster" is your primary consideration, you probably shouldn't be. I'm pretty sure I can throw my pack on the ground and get behind it fast enough. And this is the "long range hunting" forum, right? What were you talking about, something else?

Nope have not shot a 26 Nos,but have shot/owned 7mm Rem mag,7mm Dakota,7mm RUM,270 Wby,257 Wby,30-06 and guess what,to me they recoil about the same. The 26 Nos is in that class of cartridges. If some one wants a cartridge with less recoil,then BUY one with less recoil and better barrel life!

I know this kind of defeats the purpose... but if you can reduce the powder to get .264 Win. speeds to not burn up a throat(like a .264 loaded to max volume) and have a moderately sized beltless case, I could go for that. Not that I'm really worried about a barrel that only goes 1500 rounds, but it would be an option. I don't really care what Nosler twists their barrels(as I would imagine a lot of others here) because I probably wouldn't buy one of those anyway. One other thing is if they're pushing it, they should always have brass and might develop more 6.5 bullet options. Just a thought...

It will be interesting to see how they twist it and what it looks like.

Wonder what their proprietary brass is going to cost? It would help their program, IMHO, if the brass wasn't priced like Wby., but was competitive with W/W .264's, for example.

DF

It will sell. 6.5 is where its at, and for me to say that one has just to look at my name.
Years ago, when I first got into hunting, I had a picture showing the entire line of ammo from the old Canadian firm called "Imperial". One bullet caught my eye, it was the 6.5x55 loaded with a 160gr round nose that was, it seemed, as long as the case.
Always wanted to have a 6.5 just to load the Hornady 160gr round nose that is now discontinued just as I received a 260 rem.snooze you loose I guess. Woodleigh is making a 160gr round nose now so I guess I could use it.

I did manage to load up some 264WM for a buddy and those 160's dumped moose,grizz, B.bears and caribou real well.

I do not know if the new Nosler rifle would stabilize 160gr round nose bullets but if I were to get one I would try out the woodleighs just for the hell of it.

Except that game shows up at close range, even if one is planning for long range, regardless of what round is used. There are plenty of times when a rest is not available (such as out on the prairie), but a sling is always attached, ready for action. Unfortunately, many folks these days don't use or don't know how to use a sling.

Well, I can't comment on what others do, but if I'm out on the prairie I'll be prepared for a long shot by having a pack on my back, even if I don't need the stuff in the pack except to use as a rest. And if I'm prone (as TAK specified) I'll be using the pack as a rest.

Which is of course off the subject.

If they go with an 8 twist, it will.

My 6.5x55 Shilen/98 FN does well with 160 Woodies, much better with 155 Lapua Megas.

DF

The pack will usually work fine, but problems sometimes arise when one is crawling. In little to no cover situations, to keep a low profile one must push the pack in front of oneself, as the act of removing the pack has been known to cause enough movement to run off game. Simultaneously maneuvering the pack, rifle, and trying to keep the cactus penetrating one's tender bod to a minimum is sort of a pain. The easiest way around all these problems is to simply attach a Harris bipod for no cover prairie duty.

Again, off the subject, but hey, if threads always stayed on topic, most would be two pages long .

Based on that I will say I thought slings were to hold your rifle on your shoulder while you use binos.

Is it possible Nosler has shortened 300RUM brass to create an entirely new cartridge line?
Cheers...
Con

Con,

Without having to read this whole thread, wasn't the 26 Nosler a std. length ctg.? I don't remember for sure, but that sticks in my mind.

If so, the RUM family of rounds is mag length, IIRC. They've have to be set back a good bit to go from full mag to std.

DF

Years before short fat was "in" I made a 7-.378 Weatherby. I used a short action Rem 700. The case was shortened until it had the same volume as a .300 Weatherby. It can be done.

Dirtfarmer,
I run a shortened RUM in 45cal that is right at 2.550" length. Called a 458AccRel, but there was a predecessor in the 458AfricanExpress. Shortened 404Jeff wildcats also have some history. If they went that way, Nosler would be able to produce an entire family of cartridges from 6.5mm to 458cal ( enough shoulder to easily headspace a 0.458") and place their names to it. It would also allow them to account for long projectiles by sticking a fatter than normal case under the projectile to minimise powder space intrusion to some degree. The shortened RUMs also feed really easily from square bottomed actions like the Ruger.
Cheers...
Con

Twist rate and brass availability will be the limiting factors in its moderate success.

exactly how did you deduce this from a cartridge and rifle that has yet to released??????????

Agreed...if game is within 300-400 yards it should be dead meat for a guy properly wrapped up in a shooting sling.

I killed a buck on a power line a couple years ago at 330 yards from a random stand,and ground cover prevented getting lower,so had to shoot from the sit,wrapped in....If not for the sling I could never have done it

A few years ago I decided to use my .375-.416 for deer hunting. I took three shots offhand at 100 yards. The group was 6". Then I sat down and fired a three shot group at 300 yards. Again the group was 6". A guy said, "Well how will it do fomr the bench?" I fired three at about 450. The group was 2 7/8". I have no idea how to use a sling except to hang the rifle on my shoulder when I use the binos.

I am not being smart alack. How does one use a sling to aid in shooting?

Ringman this is not easy to explain and a picture is worth a thousand words but I don't have one....so I will do my best. Oher feel free t chime in because this may not be pretty.

Slings like a Brownell Latigo (or a standard military type,and Ching's and stuff like that...there are slight variations on the theme) can be used by sliding your left arm through the sling loop up to between your shoulder and bicep;the "keeper" on the sling is then slid down to tighten the loop around your arm.

You take a half turn of the sling with the forward portion of your arm and jam your left hand hard against he swivel stud...this arrangement is going to feel "tight" at this point and of course the sling is pre-adjusted.

The arrangement is tight enough at this point that the right hand has to lift the butt into your shoulder,and settling into position, whether prone or sitting you will find that your "hold" is much steadier than if you are unaided.

Steadier than a Pack or bipod? Maybe, maybe not and depends on who is doing it....but a good rifleman with a sling properly wrapped up can easily throw "strikes" at 300-400 yards;some further.

Of course this all takes practice like anything else.It sounds complex but can be very fast once accustomed to it, is more versatile than a bipod if speed is an issue, and can be used from standing,sitting,or prone within short time frame so is very versatile.

After you are done shooting,or don't need the sling a tug on the sling will retract it to a closed position, out of the way,and flush with the rifle.To deploy you pull the other way to open..it can all be done pretty quickly....essentially,once mastered, you are really never without rest. I rarely use a simple "carry" sling on a rifle.

An old deceased buddy once wanted to shoot my 375H&H at 300 yards....he was an experienced match shooter and watched him wrap up from prone,and throw 7-8 "10's" at 300 yards before handing the rifle back, saying the big rifle was a hoot to shoot!

Anybody have any picture of this stuff?

Personally I see this new round, based on the info provided by Nosler, as having great potential as a 1 mile steel target ringer.

For those who shoot beyond 1k yards, it might be a great example of a high performance cartridge that provides a better margin of error/less dope to dial, with increased hit potential.

A Sako TRG 42 rebarreled to 26 nosler sounds interesting..

Bob, you're saying that shooting long range with a sling is as accurate as prone with a bi-pod?

BobinNH,

Going over it a couple times and it started to make sense. Thanks for taking so much time to help a stranger. I am going to look for one and try it on my lightweight wildcat.

Back to the .26 Nosler, This reminds me of something Mark Twain wrote about scientists but fits .com gun nuts. He wrote, it fascinated him how they could make such a wholesale lot of conjecture from such a trifling amount of facts.

Here are a few pics demonstrating the shooting sling in action, shamelessly stolen from Google (the 3rd pic being Keith):







Here's another Google pic of the "hasty sling", which works quite well in a pinch, and can be used with any properly adjusted carrying strap.



While not as steady as a full on military sling setup, the hasty sling is ultra fast to get into, and is a great choice when a quick shot presents itself.

Note that a sling can be utilized standing, sitting, kneeling, or prone, and really helps to steady oneself when a rest is not available, or time is of the essence.

Once read up on and practiced correctly, a person would be surprised how incredibly steady they can be with a sling.

Yup. I don't know much about this new .26 Nosler but I thoroughly enjoy shooting with the sling! It's something Dad taught me, the Marines reinforced, and then I got into NRA Highpower competition - all of which got me some pretty decent training and experience using a rifle sling.

Prairie Goat - thanks for the great photos of sling use.

Love it!

Have made quite a few of my big game kills by using the sling on my rifle, rather than a bipod or other rest. Marksmanship is not dead!

Re the .26 Nosler... Wow... Really ought to be something. Looking forward to learning more.

Regards, Guy

re: the sling.

When I went to Africa, the rifles were delayed and I had a loaner rifle with no sling. I missed two kudu that were really chip shots.

When my rifle came in, I went eight for eight, both because I "knew" the rifle, and I had my sling. If you're trained with a sling, it is a great tool, and a great handicap if it is missing.

1) BONE SUPPORT

2) MUSCULAR RELAXATION

3) NATURAL POINT-OF-AIM

The three fundamentals of a shooting position, straight from the USMC Scout Sniper manual. All serious riflemen have committed these to memory. The TAB sling in the video works nearly as well as a military loop sling, but unlike the loop, it is also a carry strap. The Ching Sling, developed by Gunsite instructor Eric Ching, is faster yet, but not quite as stable as the TAB.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ebybmdXxsb0

Over the years I've become a big fan of shooting slings. I used the Ching sling for a while, but switched to the Latigo because of its adjustability when used as a carry sling.

From the photos it's not clear the difference between the military/latigo/ching slings and the hasty sling. Notice in the hasty sling the entire sling is under tension, resulting in tension on the butt stock. Experts will say this butt stock tension will cause problems with accuracy. With the latino/ching set up the loop isolates the tension to the forearm only, the sling section between the loop and the butt is slack.

PG thanks for taking the time to post those pictures....worth a thousand words.

Ringman,you're welcome. Listen to guys like GuyM,TAK,PG, David W and others who clearly seem to have formal training in sling use, which I do not...I learned by watching match shooters,reading,and shooting.

I can tell you it has helped me kill animals that I would otherwise not have had a prayer of killing....not a lot...but often enough that I never hunt without a shooting sling.

TAK brings up an excellent point....that is that through sling tension you are marrying the rifle to your skeletal system, like the frame of a building,and allowing quivering muscles to relax,so that your hold is much steadier.

Even though people get along without them,I don't consider a rifleman's education complete unless he knows how to use a shooting sling.

the guy in that video looks like he smokes alot of weed

Seeing as how he's a successful businessman who hosts Tier One units, to include the FBI, I seriously doubt it.

Same as Guy, since I was a young kid, Dad taught me to use the sling. The Marine Corps REALLY taught me how to use it and I have used them on my own rifles since.

I use simple Montana slings on my hunting rifles, and they work well for a simple hasty sling, which seems to really steady the rifle for shots where they is nothing else to to stabilize the shot. Even more when there is something to rest on.

People who laugh at folks using slings are just showing their ignorance.

You can do some pretty good shooting with one of you practice.

The shots l posted are in my past. A sling is in my future. Thanks.

Great video.

I use the Quick Cuff sling by Tactical Intervention

http://www.tacticalintervention.com/modelm24usmilitary.html

Yup, that was a good video, thanks for posting that. We're going to the range on Friday, that prompted me to throw the Latigo in the bag.

Everyone have a Great Thanksgiving.

I've used the Latigo for years. Recently I got a Montana sling and feel it's the best yet. It's super simple and sometimes simple is best.

This sling was developed by Scenarshooter (Pat) and he should know a thing or two about shooting and slings.

Regarding the 26 Nosler, I think it will do well. It may well perform with or better than the .264WM and hopefully, it won't be a finicky round. With new powders now available, like RL-33, this round has come at the right time.

I have a good bud who's looking to pick up a shot out M-700 7RM. That action should be a good one to convert to 26 Nosler. It may need a box mag with windows like the RUM family. These windows allow more room for wide body cases to fit under the rails.

See this link on the .404J. http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/7846376/2

DF

My hat is off to him. It is a GREAT sling. I have about 3-4 of them now and will have one for all the rifles eventually.

Back on topic: I am happy for those who appear jazzed over the prospects of a new cartridge and rifle. However let me remind you that we are in a new era where politics butts up against the 2A - big time.
We are still in a significant shortage period of .22 lr's, sporadic 9mm, 40cal. and .45 ACP ammo, shortages of powder, primers, brass plus a whole host of factory ammo. IMHO the last thing we need is another cartridge in the face of all this. I don't care if you can hold "on" to 400 yards, there are others already in place that can do that very thing.

Consider the .17 Hornet. There are rifles to buy but very little in the way of factory or component availability. Consider the 280AI - you see very little talk about it. It seems Nosler is trying to gin up the marketplace for those whose dobber is down. The "market" will decide the winners and losers no matter how many blog pages there are or glowing reviews in various publications.

I ask you, how many different cartridges are needed to humanely kill big game at 400 yards or less?

1783.

That is quite a few.

I thought it was 1782, wonder which one I missed?

Wow. Are you saying the shortages are caused by politics?

As far as how many cartridges are needed, the answer is one, but so what? Are we all going to shoot .30-06's from now on? If Nosler can develop, market, and sell rifles in the new chambering (it'll sell) then why shouldn't they? Isn't that capitalism at its best?

That is good to know, thanks. Do you guys favor one width over the other?

It certainly appears Nosler and I think it is one more. I made a wildcat .257. They are making a factory .264. I hope they are as happy with theirs as I am with mine. The difference is I'm the only one affected by my new cartridge. In Nosler's case If they are happy with theirs then that means lots of people are happy with theirs.

All the market will bear.

Well i hope kimber chambers it cause i find nosler 48 a very ugly rifle and way overpriced... Better yet a model 70 in the extreme weather.

Twas my first thought, this would be great in a 84L Montana.

Been thinking of having a 6.5-06 put together, but may just wait on the Nosler. I do hope other rifle makers offer the 26 Nosler.

Any word on what length barrel the Nosler rifle will require?

Shazam! Now I have the definitive answer for those times where someone foolishly asks how many rifles I need. And I can quote the authority on the subject.

Probably 26" everyone "knows" it will require at least that and maybe 28 or 30" otherwise it will just be a loud 264 WM

I do hope they come out with an affordable gun to and not just one of their high dollar guns, right now we just can't afford one. Maybe they can convince Tikka or Savage to make some to for the rest of us who can't afford $2000+ on a gun.

Nosler should have talked to a few 1000 yard BR shooters who have chased their tails with 6.5 x 284's and have the worn out barrels to prove it. You better have a tuner on your barrel if you want to push 140 grain and similar bullets that fast or be prepared to live with a lot of vertical at long range.

7mm
.308
.338
Will soon follow

Agreed on the rifle offerings, something in the 1k price range will help this cartridge gain foothold. An extreme weather would be sweet for sure. I'll try one if I can get it in something less than 2 grand and not a salvage...

thats what happened to me when I got much beyond 6.5-284 speeds with the 264, accuracy while still right at MOA, wasn't the half MOA I wanted anymore.

And Dakota was there with them a LONG time ago.

Zzzz...

How much money did Nosler make off those offerings?

That's why they are coming out with their own.

Nice try. You left off the first senctence which gave encouragement to those excited about another new 26 cal. cartridge. I'm all for capitalism - 110%.

You don't think this last round of shortages was not the result of politics? You just can't watch CNN and MSNBC and call it news.

I credit Nosler for their willingness to tread out there on the edge of economic success. I guess there will always be those who like to chase the newest, bestest, flattest and hard hittenist cartridge out there. I'll be cheering for you from the sidelines.

I'm guessing they'd need to sell a lot of rifles before they'd want to encourage a competitor to enter the market and undercut their price. And if they do sell a lot, someone else will chamber these without needing encouragement.

I don't watch any TV news. And you can't just listen to Sean Hannity and call yourself informed. The only political connection to the shortages was panic buying by people looking to stock up, caused by election results. So in that sense, you could say it was political. But I doubt that's what you meant.




As far as Nosler treading on the edge of economic success, I'd wager that the 26 could go down in flames and not put a measurable dent in their bottom line. Remember the shortages? People are buying every bullet they make, you can't even find ABLRs in stock. That might be what's behind this new cartridge, they have to invest all that cash somewhere.

And "nice try" LOL, but you won't be cheering me on. If you read the thread, you'll see that I've said I won't be buying one, I'm happy in 6.5-06 territory. And my mountain rifle is a Kimber Montana re-barreled to 6.5 WSM.

You really are an obtuse dude! You don't see the link between the election, polictics and school shootings? Equating my statements to Hannity proves you really have no clue.
Lastly, I wasn't "cheering YOU on", I coudn't care less!

Got it. Thanks for explaining.

smokepole,



There is something you may have missed. Maybe the election cause so many more people to think about buying guns. These new buyers don't have a clue about panic buying. They have no idea how good things were for us buyer before this president was elected.

Ringman, I think you're right in that the election resulted in many first-time gun owners.

All I'm saying is that I don't believe that the government or politicians intentionally caused the component shortages.

In any case, there's a thread on that particular topic on the Gunwriter's forum:

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbth...date_on_the_22_LR_Conspiracy#Post8279194

Back on topic, I think it'll sell. At the very least it'll give people something new to talk about on these forums, there seems to be a shortage lately. I'll be interested to hear what Mule Deer finds out about how easy it is to get it to shoot well with different handloads.

Gracias.

Any word on the price of the new rifle Nosler is offering?

If 129's are cooking 3,400 would 3,500-3,550 with a 120 be reasonable?

That would be about right.

That would be about right or that is about what you are getting...? If someone was looking to break into the outdoor / gun writing business, how may he get a hold of this cartridge wizardry ?

here's a simple formula that can figure out about the velocity attainable with other bullet weights in the same round: Add the two bullet weights together, divide by two, then divide that by the new bullet weight. Multiply the result times the velocity of the known load.

This instance it would go:

1) 129+120=249
2) 249/2=124.5
3) 124.5/120=1.0375
4) 1.0375x3400=3527.5

And 3527.5 is 3500-3550 fps.

As for your other question, you could call Nosler and ask for their writer contact, since they have somebody who takes care of writer requests full-time. Then explain to him that you want to borrow a 26 Nosler rifle with some ammo for test-shooting, in order to write an article. To do that, however, you usually need to have a magazine already committed to running the article.

You can also buy the rifle and some ammo and do the testing, then try to interest a magazine in your review.

I've done it both ways, but the second method is more common among people trying to break into the business.

Thanks for the info on both accounts.

Neat info there.

So you could expect around 3266 fps with a 140 gr. bullet.

That's moving along.

Yep, and maybe even 3300 with the right powder.

I like what I'm hearing. About 100 fps faster than factory 140 loads for a 7 Mag. and doing it without a belt.

A rifle built for a Barnes bullet.

I don't understand the belt hatred... Nothing but love for the 7 mag. Also, RL 17 will get a 140 grain & 7 mag into the 3300 range.. Still very interested in this new 26. Using Johns formula.... 100 grain would be pushing 3,900. 100 gr TTSX = antelopes worst nightmare.

So no real increase in performance over the .264 Winchester Magnum...

The held brings nothing of value to the table

Rick,

Based on the powder capacity, the 26 Nosler will probably beat the .264 by about 100 fps when both are loaded to the same pressures. But that's just an educated guess based on the relatively skimpy information we have so far. Will know more after getting my hands on one, along with some ammo.

No hatred, but would rather not have one all things being equal.

I've owned a 7 magnum for many years. Good rifle.

What I don't get is guys looking to push bullets over 3700 fps.

Does anyone know how they perform when going mach 5 and hit something?

It's interesting, but just wonder if they've been tested at those speeds and were designed for that velocity.

Would undoubtedly need to use a mono-metal bullet.

Agreed on the mono metals. I am guessing you would lose a petal or two..I would run them that fast purely to see what they could do to a coyote. Realistically I would stick with 120 grain and greater in this cartridge.

Thanks John,

I'll bet the thing really hums with nice full cases of the slowest burning stuff a guy can find.

Curious about the statement above. Anything to that and why would it be difficult?

Seems that would depend on the twist and bullet being used.

JM,

Even with my limited experience using monometals at high speed, I find they can fool you the way they perform on game animals. It'll take lots of trial and error to determine which projectiles are the winners. Nosler is pushing their LRAB and maybe they're building this new offering around that bullet. It would make sense.

I can't wait until the Shot Show roll out in Jan, '14. Then, to see how it performs in the real world.

DF

The 129gr .264 LRAB's I tested this fall, fell way short on claimed BC. At least at 3200fps in several 6.5 SAUM rifles we shot it in.

JohnMoses,

Last season I killed three deer with monometal at 3,919 feet per second average for nine shots when I sighted it in. The bullets are G.S.Custom .257 85HV bullets. These didn't give long range information because they killed deer about one hundred yards, fifty yards and at most twenty yards. The one at one hundred yards I shot in front of the right hip and the exit was about the middle of the left chest. I shot it again in the middle of the chest from the side. I shot the one at fifty yards straight in the front of the chest. The bullet damaged the spine above the pelvis and exited. I shot it again in the middle of the chest also. The twenty yard deer was shot in the head. None of the bullets were recovered.

The first two were bucks the last one a doe. Both bucks lungs were destroyed.

I've had reports that mirror that on all the LR Accubonds in every caliber.

Pat, could you elaborate on your results a little bit, please?

Pat,

Maybe they're making the new 26 Nosler for Scenars, just don't realize that fact quite yet...

DF

easy.

New stuff is always cool and fun to play around with. That's reason enough for me.

More so when it's in an area of few options. A fast 26 has my attention.

I think this cartridge will be more of a good thing. Guys on here that shoot the small bore magnums, (one .257 weatherby shooter in particular :D) that have a bunch of experience are really vocal about how well they kill, and i'm inclined to believe them. Most hunters either don't know about or bother with using turrets, and don't shoot game past 500 yards with regularity. The 26 nosler doesn't do anything that isn't already able to be done, but being able to aim at a deer with little to no holdover to 400 yards is pretty cool. I think that's its strongest selling point. Anyway I have an old Interarms action tucked away that was going to become a .264 winchester but, no belt and mo' powder are hard to pass by without a loooong look.

-John

I think most any modern magnum rifle that is zeroed in at 315 yards should be able to hold on hair at 400, or close to it.

You can get any cartridge to zero at 315. Depends how high you want to be at 100-200 yds. They're focusing on the guy that wants to be 2" high at 100yd and not worry about hold over/ turrets out to 400. I like it either way. I'm really interested at what price point nosler will be offering the new rifle.

123 scenar @ 3550
+2.2 @ 100yd, 3068 ft/lb
-11.6 @ 450yd, 2,085 ft/lb , 9.1 wind

I like it.

That's flat all right!

If this were a 36 cal I would be interested. Either 358 or 366.

I think a .338 would be sweet, though it might snort a little. The .264 will be much more pleasant.

Lately I have been firing my .257SLR with 85 grain bullets and .257 Weatherby with 100 grain bullets. Yesterday I took the .375-.416 Rem firing 250 grainers at up to 3,100 feet per second to the range. That first shot was a real surprise!

Just reading 250 grain and 3,100 in the same sentence makes my shoulder cringe.

130 barnes tsx at 3290 fps and 140 partition at 3100fps in a 6.5-06 with less than 56 grains of powder , whats to improve

Wonder how that bullet would hold up if you drove it into something at PBR?

Probably doesn't matter, the velocity would kill whatever you hit with it.

I imagine it would be hellacious, but truthfully I have no real world experience with the scenar. With those numbers I just may have to change that. I've called Nosler half a dozen times last week trying to get on the list, voicemails and no return calls. I get an answer at Forbes every time I call to pester them...boo hoo I know. Think the new nosler rifles will be at a price comparable to a Montana or 24B ?

Not discrediting the cartridge, I love 6.5mm but aren't those velocities just a hair behind the 270wsm ?

JM,

From what I've seen, bullets act a lot differently, 3,000 fps vs. 3,400-3,500 fps. Hyper velocity opens a whole new discussion (can of worms) on bullet selection, bullet performance on game. At very long distances, one could probably predict performance. But, what about an 80 yd. shot? They do happen...

DF

Good point Nosler is even getting pretty proud of the seconds.

Even LR turret twisters should appreciate less wind drift from high velocity and high B.C.'s.

Speaking of costs, to me the critical point will be cost of brass. People will be building their own rifles, so price of the Nosler rifle may be less critical to the future of the 26 Nosler round.

DF

Comparing this to my 300wsm, 200gr partition @2,900fps...

500yd- 2,050fps, 1,866 ft/lb, -32", 17.4 wind.

VS...

26 Nosler

500yd- 2,684fps, 1,967 ft/lb, -17.6", 11.3 wind

Hmmm...

More punch, less wind deflection at 500, less punch on the ole shoulder when the trigger is pulled...

DF

Wonder what powder will work to get decent load density, decent velocity, and reasonable pressure? Might need H50bmg or H869. I like 7828 in my 264 and it's a long ways from compressed in that case. Retumbo might be considered a fast powder in the 26 nosler.

Bb

I think retumbo would be a good start.

RL33.

another good one would be RL22, it's my go-to powder in a variety of cartridges.

Not to disrupt your enthusiasm, but:

300WSM 155 scenar 3300 @ 500 yards

2470 fps,2099 ft/lb,13" of wind (10mph)

Or the 210 berger , 2900 fps @ 500 yards..

2260fps,12" of wind 2383 ftlbs

I like 6.5's and they are more efficient for sure, but lets not use missiles in the 6.5' and ashtrays in the 30's for comparison..

Agree on the not exactly fair comparison, it was more of a check against what I'm currently running. Funny you mention the scenar, I ran those numbers yesterday. Quite impressive really, might have to order a couple boxes.

I've been a long time shooter of RL 22 in my 7 mag, but after my cold weather testing I am leaning more to the hogdon extreme powders these days.

RL 25 might be a winner as well...

Shot show in 8 days, finally get a look at this cartridge.

It's out. Based on 404 Jeffery case.

So essentially the 7mm Dakota necked to .264...

Couple videos on it already. Field and Stream to name 1. New rifle being offered in the 1,600 range. I was hoping for something close to 1,200.

Dimensions of this cartridge on the wall at Nosler's booth shows a base diameter of .473 and a case length of 2.525. Looks like a rebated rim to fit 30-06 bolts, but much fatter with a loaded length of 3.340 inches. 93 grains of water is what the sign says, along with the Name Flat Out Lights Out. 129 bullet at 3400 fps.
It states that the 26 Nosler has the same velocity at 400 yards as the 260 Remington has at the muzzle.

Sounds like it would be an open country hunter's perfect rifle. Should be a good one for elk as well with the 140's or tougher 129/130's.

Will be interesting to see which one does better, the Nosler or the 6.5 SAUM.

Both will probably be chambered in a few hundred rifles.

Well, the 7 SAUM is a good round with factory brass, and look where it is. So you might be right about the 6.5 SAUM.

But if I was a betting man, I'd bet the Nosler will sell more, just trading on the name and people jumping on the long-range bandwagon combined with the novelty of the "best new cartridge."

I can see the Field and Stream fluff pieces now.

Hard to tell but the drawing on http://www.26nosler.com references .532 base. Seems silly to rebate the rim to .473 but have seen that listed in other places.

so if I am understanding it, it sounds to me like a long action 284 winchester type case. I am imagining a 284 case lengthened out to at least 30-06 case lengths. if thats what they did it would be pretty cool. this could open up alot of possiblities for standard bolt face guns.

http://issuu.com/nosler/docs/2014_nosler_catalog_

Second page or so has a picture.

http://www.fieldandstream.com/blogs...osler-cartridge-and-nosler-patriot-rifle

can anyone confirm exactly what size bolt face this thing is going to use?? is this a rebated rim ala 284 win or standard magnum bolt face??

I was at Nosler's booth at opening time Tuesday. I was given the first 2014 catalog handed out. Rep I spoke with was a rifle guy and he pointed out this six foot tall drawing of the new 26. The dimension for the rim diameter was somewhat obscured with a sign that said NEW but the last two digits were 73. So I would venture a guess that it is 30-06 rim size. Other dimensions were case length at 2.525, and OAL 3.340. Rep said that last week SAAMI accepted this new cartridge. And now it is ready for sale.

Keep in mind that as of now, the 26 Nosler is available in one rifle, and it's not cheap.

Rifle and component availability will affect long term cartridge life. There have been many, many cartridges go the way of the dodo due to limited introduction, wrong timing, poor marketing, or what have you. Not saying that will happen here, though.

yep, they are coming out with their factory loads for it and brass. Really the ONLY befit I see compared to the other 6.5 shockers.

$1600 For A Nosler Rifle In The New Round? I Might Jump On It.... That's Not A Bad Price.

The sketch on 26Nosler.com shows .532
the picture in the catalog tends to support that

Looks a lot like a 6.5x375Ruger to me...

To say nothing, to what I see, as zero imagination on the naming of Same.

I tried to do this 15 years ago. Find a brass manufacturer to stretch 284 to 2.55". They laughed at me and told me it would be thousands up front. Told them Mag power on a standard action that would clean up any and all existing chambers would be their best selling brass. No fly... Guess that's why I am here.

W

I could really care less about whatever rifle nosler wants to put it in. I am just interested in which bolt face would be needed. I might actually be interested in making a custom based off it.

So Gunsamerica blog sends me an e-mail everyday with SHOT show updates still no mention of this thing.....What are they waiting on?

Mike

They're probably waiting on SAAMI approval of the final dimensions, pressures, ballistics, etc. The SAAMI members have a meeting during the SHOT Show, because everybody's there.

Thanks JB

Mike

So can one push a 130-140gr 6.5 bullet so fast it kills accuracy?
I know alot of the shooters that shoot 6.5-284's had a sweet spot around 2950-3000 fps!

I can't believe noone knows what the case head size of this thing is yet. if anyone is reading this at the shot show you should be able to look at the cases and tell if its a magnum bolt face or not.

magnum head size, based off the 404 Jeffery.


http://www.americanhunter.org/blogs/26-nosler

.532...the guys over at LRH have been chewing on this for almost a day now.

Lots more data and sales propaganda here: http://www.26nosler.com/

Base = .532
Case length = 2.590
OAL = 3.340

So its pretty much an ultra mag case. Too bad I was hoping for a long 284 case. One that would clean Up tons of factory standard chambers. In all bore sizes

Basically a 7mm Dakota case!

I have to be honest once I heard this was going to be on a mag bolt face my interest level pretty much went to nothing. This case isn't really anything new we have tons of other cases that would probably work great instead, like the ruger case or a WSM case, to me the better story is the 6.5 SAUM that pat and george are playing with. I have my doubt that current VLD bullets will handle that much extra speed and perform how they need to at extended ranges. this round sounds to me like a barrel BBQer.

what are some thoughts on a rebated rim mag case, Or a full length stretch 284 win case. would that work?? what would be the downsides??

I too think it's going to be hard on throats, I could like a stretched 284 win base better,and agree that right now the 6.5 Saum is probably the better choice for someone that is going to be shooting alot which is a big part of LR shooting!

Folks complained about the 264 win mag burning barrels, the 26 Nosler is a barrel maker's dream. But, I gotta admit that I am intrigued by it. It would make hold over reticles or elevation knob cranking redundant at most ranges I have available to hunt.

Maybe a .366 Sako case necked to 6.5mm?

That AH press release said it's basically a necked down and blown out, and shortened 404 Jeffrey case...which makes it a kissin cousin to the Dakota line and you might say kin to the cases formed off the 375 Ruger case, too.

There are very minor dimensional differences in all these cases.The Dakota cases have a .545 head size because that's what Don Allen thought worked best with the full length extractor and CRF of the Dakota 76 when he developed the Dakota lineup.

The Ruger case is .532 so will fit the standard magnum bolt face. In the end, there is not going to be a whole lot of difference between any of these cases in terms of capacity and velocity.

In terms of velocities etc etc you will get from this new cartridge about what you would get if you wildcatted a 7mmLRM,or 7mm Dakota.It was not hard to figure what this case was going to be because it had to fit a 30/06 length action, so the only way to get more capacity to make it materially faster than a belted 264 Win Mag was make it fatter; which is exactly what the Dakota basic case, and the Ruger, are all about.

Great summary, Bob, as usual.

DF

DF I think the cartridge will be pretty cool for the guys who want lots of speed in 6.5...seems McWhorter rifles are selling a pretty fair number of the wildcat 6.5 Weatherby and this 26 Nosler should be about the same thing.

It may not be the ticket for those shooting lots of rounds; I would want something smaller myself for volume target work...but for moving mono's fast (how they work best)it should be a beast.

...and if there is anything better in terms of flight with High BC bullets at modest velocities, it's high BC bullets at high velocities(assuming they can handle the heat.

I never knew nosler sold alot of rifles period. the buzz on this new case was huge, once its been found out what it really is, everyone seems to be like ho hum.

The Internet buzz on almost anything new is often "like ho-hum." That's because Internet posters are always smarter than rifle and ammunition manufacturers. Just ask them!

I think it needs to be offered in a more affordable rifle to be commercially successful.

It would be an easy build on a shot out 7RM.

A good friend has one ear marked for such a build and asked my opinion. With just the cost of a barrel, $600 or so, not a bad deal. I'm waiting for feedback on this round, cost of brass, dies, real world performance, etc.

With the new powders this could be a wonder round. Time will tell. I'll not be the first to test the waters, will let others break the ice...

DF

ndhunterman,

I suspect your idea of "commercially successful" and Nosler's might differ.

Your probably right. I'll be trying one in the near future.

I think a 26 Nosler necked to 9.3 sounds even better.

What would you name such a round?

DF

The 36 Nosler of course....

It appears that the build would go a lot more smoothly if the original action were chambered for an ultra-mag rather than a 375 H&H based cartridge.

Cummins I don't know but a 129 gr ABLR at 3400 fps doesn't seem very ho-hum to me....

Let the necking up games begin. This case looks about right for a 7 and a 30. I like beltless, I like .532 rim and body, and I like the length. You you could run this all day in a 700 long action with pleanty of room to seat bullets out. Thinking a 30 cal with the freebore set for 208 amax's kissing at 3.5" could be a good thing. Looks pretty similar to the 7 lrm I had just maybe a bit less neck/more capacity.

Bb

Neither is a .270 Wby 130 gr bullet at 3375 fps.

the reason I say its how hum is look how many wild cat cases could do the same thing. how about a 6.5 rum?? or as some have said a 6.5 dakota how about a 6.5/375 ruger?? or the possibilites are almost endless if we start talking belted cases. my point in ho hum was wouldn't it have been nice if this new case was something totally new that was not able to be currently duplicated?? a stretched 284 case is my first thought. heck a factory 6.5 wsm or what abut a 6.5/06 finally standardized??

It's Nosler, not Remington or such. Nosler makes the brass so it's a win win regardless of volume gun sales. It covers all the bases on a 532 platform in a 2.5" case. Capacity is more than enough for most any diameter bullet. You can neck it most directions without a lot of brass voodoo. Guessing a 338 will follow which would cover things from 24 to 375 if you desire. And brass shouldn't be cost prohibitive.

They make their living selling brass and bullets. JMO

W

And it may/should clean up all the belted chambers up to/not including 300 Win....

W

Yep. Run the numbers for the 270 Weatherby with the 130 Berger Classic Hunter; they are right there with the 26 Nosler/129 ABLR at practical hunting distances.

Just get a RUM mag box and RUM follower, or cut std. parts to spec..

Check out this site, showing how mag "windows" are used for wide body cases. http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/7143935/2

DF

That's about as imaginative as Team Nosler...

DF

Anybody know whos making the stock on the M48 Patriot for them? I hope its HS Precision, and not B&C...

Yeah but some guys do not want a 270 Weatherby....you know how those 6.5 guys are......

Guys if we are going to start worrying about cartridge performance duplication this late in the game, we might as well pack it in........I really can't think of too many cartridges between 22 and 375 caliber that have a unique lock on performance, not duplicated by something else.

True,but that has never stopped "rifle loonies" from arguing about which is better. For instance .270 vs .280 vs .280ai or .308 vs 7-08 etc...

....of course!

DF,

26 Nosler may not be a very imaginative name, but just imagine the Campfire reaction if they'd called it the 6.7mm Oregon Coast Range Volcano Express? (6.7mm, of course, being the actual diameter of what most of us call 6.5mm cartridges.)

The thing that leaps out at me are the number of folks jumping through hoops to get 3200 fps from a 140 gr Berger in a 264 Win Mag....which is not always easy to do...


Well.....here it is! I bet it does this like breaking sticks! What's wrong with that?


But folks will still find a reason to complain..

Thanks for a good laugh.

DF

Bob,

Given the Fire propensity to designate the .270 as "gay", seems to me 3,375 fps is quite manly, regardless of bore diameter...

Is that line of reasoning Kosher?

DF

DF that seems a lot of speed with anything, to me.

The "gay" thing is amusing, since the 270 kills more BG animals ,annually, than many CF pets combined.

It's easy to argue "numbers". Anyone can do that. ......but pretty tough to argue with animal carcasses.

I sure am. I know that .277 is always better than .264, just ask all the dead critters I've killed since 1957.

Yeah, hyper velocity seems to open a new can of worms regarding bullet performance. A great 7x57 or 6.5x55 bullet would probably become a real dog at 3,300 fps., especially at reasonable ranges.

Seems like a "back to the drawing board" moment regarding bullet selection when these new "wonder rounds" make their debut.

But what would Loonies be doing otherwise?

DF

Who is making the m48 patriot stock?

There is little done in this rifle cartridge field that is truly new. The 26 Nosler sounds like it is close to (not exactly the same as, CLOSE TO) the Allen express. Look back to the short mags, (Winchester sold as a new thing) many people do not realize that WSM cases can be made from 348 win cases, and it had been played with stating shortly after the 348 was introduced. Some with the rim, some with rebated heads, a variety of body tapers, necks and shoulders. Do a search for heavy Express Inc. or look hear http://www.riflemagazine.com/magazine/PDF/R248%20Partial%20.pdf

The 26 is not going to be magic but will or should give us (in addition to a 26 caliber cartridge) a reliable and "reasonably" priced case to neck from 17cal. to 475cal. Do I hear 500? After all who wants to try and find 8x68 or 9.3x64 cases to wildcat.

And the 264 win mag will have to give up the title of the worst barrel burner.

8mmwapiti

MissouriEd,

Good to know that after 120 years somebody proved those those wimpy 6.5mm cartridges totally inadequate!

Mule Deer

I like it. The 6.7 OCRVE.

WOW, 38 pages on a thread for a gun and caliber no one has ever seen. Will everyone post their results after they give it a fair shake???????


P.S. Does any have any real word drop info. on the 129 LRAB, still can not figure out how a shorter bullet with Longer Bearing surface and a tangent ogive has a higher BC then the Berger ???????

I didn't intend to mean that 6.5s are inadequate. They are not at all, as I have several Swedes, a 260 and a long throated 264 Win. American 6.5s don't exactly have a reputation of winning the sales race. Being chambered in the correct rifle will help with sales and popularity. Few recent chamberings have been able to compete with the 06 the 270 the 223 or the 7mm Rem no matter the industry marketing hype. You can bet this 26 Nosler will indeed be grist for the mill of all wildcatters.

Wow !

seems this forum has quite a few guys who readily defecate all over a cartridge they have ZERO experience with !
most are happily sitting in a stagnating pool of cartridges developed before they were born, all the while we have improvements and technologies that allow for incredible performance gains and further refinements with experience and knowledge gained on an almost daily basis .


the 26 Nosler is a step in the right direction as it will give cause and reason for manufacturers to develop new cartridge components, powders ( 300 RUM = 208, 210, 215 and 230 gr high bc bullets ? )
and the potential for improved barrel quality and barrel steel treatments such as nitriding, there is a vast space in potential improvements in almost every department when it comes to firearms, ammunition and related components ,

all I read is the constant whining about barrel life , there is a reason why the barrel is threaded and screwed on , if they were meant to last forever don't you think the barrels would have been welded on permanently ?

Recoil ?
are you freaking insane ? in a 264 ? WTH is that all about ? have some people really gotten so soft in their comfortable little lives that a miniscule amount of discomfort is exaggerated to extreme proportions then loudly proclaimed as fact to the extent of believing it themselves ,

No matter if you whiners and BS'rs pizz and moan like hooers with the clap,
the 26 Nosler will shine with the 160 gr Matrix bullets with a BC at .685 and the 142 gr Matrix with a BC at .625
I know this because I have been playing with my wildcat 6.5 with a capacity of 104 grains, the 160 Matrix bullets at 3400 fps is a wonderful thing !
the best part is ............. when the tires go bald ... You can put shiny new ones on, maybe go with a different size .. height , width, make, model etc .......

++. Ya that too.

Sounds like a barrel burner.

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Swamplord
I was thinking the same thing! Marshall better get busy and start making some more bullets in 6.5mm.

+1 We put a lot of Marines out there hitting targets out to 500 yds with a peep sight and front sight post with little to no experience......Beyond that is another story I think.

Trijicon ACOG is also allowed for qualification as of a recently....

I was fortunate to get Marshal to sell me 6 boxes (600 bullets) of the 160 gr Matrix VLD's
also got 200 pcs of the 156 gr Norma Oryx bonded bullets from Midway for short range hunting (500 yards and under)

This cartridge may generate enough interest to get Bryan Litz at Berger to develop a 150-160 gr Hybrid bullet, looking forward to new 6.5 heavy high bc bullets

PT&G offers the reamer. https://shop.pacifictoolandgauge.co...911&zenid=ssb6nesv6qc7guqpfrlj3dhj55

Wonder how long before brass is available?

Wow. That was pretty quick.

That would put this cartridge into the next level.

Now I'm interested.

A couple comments:

A) Not even close to the same thing. The 500 yard qual target is a good bit larger than game's vitals. I believe recruits these days use ACOGS as well.
B) The guys who are good, practice. If someone thinks they can shoot out to 500 yards consistently on deer sized targets with 8 to 10 rounds a year of practice, they are FOS. That amount of practice will provide little training in dopeing the wind, let alone marksmanship fundamentals.

beretz,

PT&G made the original reamer for Nosler, so it's not astounding to have them available already.

I'm sure most would consider a 26" tube minimum but I have a nice 24" 8 twist rock and a spare rem long mag action handy. It might be worth trying since I much prefer the way a 24" tube handles.

Bb

I'd love to see a 160 grain 6.5 berger.

That's what I would do, I like 24" barrels as well. It certainly won't be like lobbing rocks at 24 inches....

I agree. Just saying that out to 500 or so is possible with some training. I think that it gets much more difficult further out.

Received e-mail from Nosler promoting their line up of rifles. They are offering the 26 Nosler with a 24" barrel. I must assume that their projected velocity with a 129 gr LR Accubond @ 3400fps is with that length barrel. Can anyone verify?

Imagine what kind of velocities that cartridge might get with a 30" barrel!

24" barrel? Who is making the stock on the patriot model?

Hmm, just ran recoil calculator comparison. The 130 at 3400 fps will have just a few more ft. lbs. in free recoil than the standard .30-06 165 gr. at 2850 fps with 57 gr. of powder in the same weight of rifle. So recoil shouldn't be excessive. But not as gentle as my .260 Rem. But you can't get something (500 more fps) for nothing.

All I know about it is I want one. I also hope some of the other manufacturers pick it up and they had better put a 26" barrel on it.

Maybe Weatherby will come out with one. Ed is a lot more forward thinking than Roy was.

Direct from Nosler the 1 in 9 24" barrel is a mistake they confirmed it will be a 1 in 8 with a 26" tube. I don't mind a 24" tube but I can imagine the outcry if it came in less than 26" I would have been a lot more upset with a in in 9 twist than a 24" barrel.

I imagine it would look similar to the 160 gr Matrix VLD shown in pic next to a Berger 140 gr Hybrid Target

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heres how the 160 Matrix looks and compares to other bullets
left to right ...with G1 bc

160 gr Matrix VLD bc .685
140 gr Berger Hybrid Target bc .618
142 gr Sierra Match King bc .595
140 gr Hornady A-MAX bc .585
140 gr Hornady SST bc .520
140 gr Nosler Accubond bc .509
130 gr Swift Scirocco II bc .491 Litz correction (manufacturer bc .571)
127 gr Barnes LRX BT bc .468

those are all manufacturer listed bc's as shown on their website
the only correction I have is by Bryan Litz for the 130 gr Swift Scirocco

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Sweet. Those things look wicked! WHO IS MAKING THE STOCK FOR NOSLER ?

Any estimates on what the 26 Nosler might spit out a 160 grain payload with a 26 inch tube?

Brass is listed on midway as coming soon. Price is about $65 for 25. Maybe it's gold plated Lapua. Hopefully someone else will make brass.

Bb

I've heard the parent case is based off the Ruger and I've also heard its base off a 404 Jeffrey andy word on exactly what it is? It shows the rim dia. at .532" like a Ruger but the rum case is .534" so I'm really interested in what it is? I'm sure it could be a shortened Ru case as .002 isn't that big of adifference but I just want to know.

Also I'm with Swamp this will open up new doors for rifles in general and bullets. I would love to see what it does with a 160gr matrix?

Wow, almost the same price as .30-378s and .338 lapuas. Nice. Good way to limit sales!

Nosler is pretty proud of its brass, at least all the cases I am interested in.

270 Improved. No wildcatting. Available ammo.

So I take it your gonna need a RUM equivalent bolt face?

If using a magazine you are gonna need a fairly long one because the case is 2.56 long, and any 6.5 bullet worthy of putting in it will be 1.3" long so figure at least a.375 h&h magazine length to keep the ogive out of the neck. Except the LRAB's as they have shorter noses then VLDs

I have reamer prints from Dave Kiff for the 26 nosler,got them yesterday. If anyone is interested PM me with email and I will forward a copy. Don't have time to post right now. Dave calls it the 264 Nosler but when I questioned it he assured me it is the 26 Nosler.

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I was at the sportsman show in Harrisburg PA yesterday and was talking to the Nosler guys about the 26nosler and what a cool cartridge. My question is has anyone heard of anyone else chambering rifles for it?

Dave has the reamer, Midway is listing brass, available in March. I'm sure dies will soon follow. It won't be long before barrels will be fitted to actions and the fun begins. I'm sure there are a bunch of Loonies waiting not so patiently for the early reports before taking the plunge.

DF

I am guilty of not so patiently waiting. This new 26 nosler really has me excited for a new rifle. Just who will chamber it though?

Anyone with a reamer!

My point. I think there will be more built by Loonies than factory produced, at least early on. All the pieces coming together.

DF

DF, I agree, loonies will be the first to get the bugs worked out!

I think many of us are waiting on the more adventuresome Loonies to break the ice and report back. R&D on the other guy's nickel. Makes sense to me.

DF

I got the donor rifle I have the barrel. Just waiting for a reamer to be come reality, and some Ammo / brass.

Never shoot the donor...

DF

Seems Nosler is pushing their new round as a flat line shooter.

The PBR advertised for the 26 Nosler using 93 grains of water capacity is 415 yards.
At 500 yds it is 15.8" low.

In comparison.

The 300 WSM using 76 grains of water and shooting 125 AB at 3,650 has a PBR of 416 yards and is 15.8 low at 500 yards.

hey brass is available....

saw it on line, for an amazingly LOW $61.00+ for 20 cases.....

( yeah that is sarcasm.... as much of it as one can put online...)

whoever wants one, knock yourself out....

I wouldn't take one if it was free... but Nosler can set ya up with a rifle for under $2Grand... hell of a deal....

The sectional density and BC of a 130gr 6.5 bullet is significantly greater than that of a 30 cal 125gr bullet. I haven't run the numbers but at 500yds, the 6.5 bullet is going to penetrate deeper, and drift a hell of a lot less in the wind.

I'll use the 125AB in my 30BR, but not in any cartridge I expect to shoot past 250yds.

FWIW, Nosler is testing the 26 Nosler
for barrel life. They are nearing 1k rounds with no issues.

Do you know how they are going about the testing?

No I do not know specifics yet.

I would imagine they're shooting the same barrel in their test tunnel with various powders and loads, while developing loading data. They could then periodically bore-scope the barrel (say once every 100 rounds), along with shooting accuracy tests with a load that proved accurate early on.

But that's just a guess.

Makes sense, kill two birds with one stone, Just curious how tight the controls might be if any at all!

Nosler's a member of SAAMI, so there are quite a few controls, such as consistent temperature and humidity. There's even a protocol for how the round is handled before it's inserted into the chamber of the test barrel, called "the SAAMI spin."

The shooting's done indoors, with a professional chronograph under consistent lighting, not outdoors with a $100 chronograph under varying light and temperature conditions, and a guess at how many rounds went down the barrel. There's also a record not just of the velocity of every round, but the peak pressure and the pressure curve. Oh, and how far the chronograph is in front of the muzzle.

I've visited a number of professional pressure labs, including Nosler's, and while methods vary somewhat, they're always a lot more "controlled" than what happens on shooting ranges, whether private or public.

Interesting info.....thanks John!

if you ever get the chance to visit a pressure lab, it's well worth it. I've visited at least half a dozen now, some more than once.

It can go far beyond what I just described. The most thorough lab I've visited (they do a lot of work for other companies) is a good example. I spent most of day with one of the techs while he ran a test on ONE combination of bullet and powder. Of course, my questions and photography slowed him down some, but even without my "delaying tactics" it would have taken at least three hours for him to simply prepare two dozen test loads.

Among other things, when doing piezo-electronic testing the brass itself has to be tested for hardness, since piezo testing is done through the pressure on the side of the case. This was done with an expensive hydraulic machine, filling the case with fluid and measuring how much X amount of pressure expands the case walls. And of course that requires an average of several cases.

Unfortunately, not many pressure labs give tours, generally because they're too busy.

I'll likely not get a chance, but would enjoy it...thanks again!

This has me laughing!! LOL.....

Another to check out is the 270 Weatherby with higher bc 130s. It will run right with the 26 Nosler.

Yep, and so will the 7 mag shooting 120 BT's of which the Nosler folks back in the day told me were good on deer size game at 700+.


..they were right.

I do like its design though, no girdle.

Nosler should be sending it off with a 150 grain LRAB with a .65 BC

Agree that a super high bc bullet should be an option.

Lots of ways out there to get similar performance - that 7mm Mag/120 route is a lot cheaper way to get there too!

Please enlighten me. I ran the numbers with a 6.5 130AB (JBM doesn't have the 129LR yet) at 3400 and .30 125BT (JBM doesn't have the 125AB yet)at your 3650. With 200yd zeros the 6.5 drops 29.0 and drifts 15.3 (10mph) at 500yds. The .30 drops 28.4 and drifts 20.4. The .30 cal bullet drifts about 30% more at 500. From where does your amusement come?

Mine comes from all the speculation about a cartridge no one has seen yet. I think SU's point is, marketing it as a flat shooter with maximum PBR is not playing to its strengths. Or, if that approach does sell rifles, people would be buying them for the wrong reasons (maximum PBR) whereas you're pointing out some of the right reasons (long range capabilities with a good bullet).

First of all SD is not going to mean anything (deeper penetration) for these light bonded bullets on thin skinned game.

Also, 5" wind drift at 500 yds is not going to make much difference with a center mass shot on an deer sized animal. Take that to 700+ and then I would start looking at the difference and compensate.

I'm a total 6.5 slut and love the design of the 26 Nosler. I'm just trying to find a need for it.
How far do I want to take my impact velocity of 2,000 fps?
The 26 extends it out further than I care to try and take game. Especially with a 129 grain bullet.
Soooo, I'll take the less recoil cartridge of my 6.5 Rem Mag.



Exactly....

That is why I sold my 264 win.



And this with a ultra light fluted skinny barrel.

Bell and Carlson is building that rifle stock.

I have a reamer, rcbs dies, go and no go, and a box of factory loaded ammo pictured......

May or may not be new pills for this medicine in the making.....

I have a 6.5 Bartlien 8.5 twist heavy palma I am considering installing on a Remington 700P in 300WM that doesn't get shot much..........Not really wanting to use that barrel so I have been looking for a couple others.

Really?

I have a hard time believing that, but their definition of an issue might not be the same as others.

Yeah, I'd love to take a peek at the throat of that 1,000 round barrel with my Hawkeye. Bet it's showing some throat erosion.

My 6.5-284 showed early erosion at 400 rnds, but no loss of 1/2 MOA performance. The 26 Nosler has to be harder on barrels than the 6.5-284, which has it's own barrel history.

DF

Interesting tread going on over at SH with a cut away of a 6.5 CM,

http://forum.snipershide.com/sniper...6-5-creedmoor-3000-rounds-down-tube.html

DF,

I bet it shows some throat erosion in 200 rounds. That's because I've seen "some" throat erosion in 200 rounds in a 7mm STW, and even in a .223 Remington.

Throat erosion is an inevitable fact with most modern centerfire rifle cartridges. I can even see a trace in my Ruger No. 1B .22 Hornet, though it's more a slight rounding of the lands in the throat, rather than any cracking.

The real question is how long a barrel will shoot accurately enough for what's desired by the shooter. I doubt any competitive shooters will be using the 26 Nosler. Instead they'll be hunters, some of whom may be totally satisfied with the accuracy after 1000 rounds, or even more.

And some people may not want to run it full-out. One of the more interesting aspects to me is that it will probably get 3200 fps out of 140'sat less-than-max pressures. That's been the Holy Grail with .264 fans for many years, and they've gone to a lot of trouble to get there. Usually when it happens, it's in a 26" barrel and with one or two rather specialized powders. My guess is the 26 will do it easily in a 24" barrel with several powders.

We'll see.

John,

If you built a 26 Nosler for hunting, would you go with a 26" or 24" bbl.?

DF

Probably 24", maybe 25". A heavier barrel is usually needed to get the same sort of accuracy from a 26" versus a 24".

One of the things I've noticed about the 26 case that apparently it will clean up a .264 chamber, which is no doubt a smart move by Nosler. And I have a Ruger Hawkeye with a 24" 1-8 barrel that shoots very well....

Do certain types of powder contribute to faster erosion?
Same with light or heavy bullets?

My guess, knowing gun nuts like we do, is that 90% of the purchasers will be cussing because the Nosler ammo is loaded to "lawyer level".

Then they will be trying to make 3500 fps with 140's.

Heck, I have to admit that I burned a few pounds of powder reaching for 3200 with a 140 in my old 264. But then I figured out it was a lot easier to make 3200 with a 27 inch barrel and 130's and the deer can't tell the difference.

My guess is the Nosler ammo will hit the velocity they claim--at least in their rifles. There are too many chronographs out there for it not to.

My first .264 was a pre-'64 Westerner, and 3200 with 140's was possible at 65,000 psi with three powders. This was 10 years ago and only one of the powders resulted in good accuracy.

Based on some experience, I'm pretty sure deer can't tell the difference between any 100-160 grain 6.5 bullet that whacks them in the ribs. But the present 6.5 mania isn't just about killing deer, but the G1 BC, wind drift, and a range beyond 500 yards. And since deer are now killed by a new variety of statistics, many are going to judge the 26 on what it does with 140's.

Though a 6.5 fan, I doubt I'll buy the Nosler. Nothing wrong with it, I'm just not itching for one.

I do consider a 120-140 grain 6.5 bullet about nirvana for whitetail deer. I've yet to kill a deer at 500 yards with any 6.5 and probably never will. I've never owned one that would push a 140 grain bullet 3200fps either. All of mine leave the muzzle at 2700-2900fps and they still work fine.

I have several 6.5's that start 140's at anything from 2400 to 3200. Amazingly, they all kill deer!

I talk to them all the time. Great bunch of guys. Call them and tell them about our discussion. Ask them specifics....

I would never, ever, own a 264 or bigger (in case capacity) with less than a 26" tube.... Personal preference

I am sure it will.

My meaning was, there will be a bunch of guys who decide that giant case is capable of more. They will push for a couple hundred additional fps and then bitch because the throat in their rifle only lasted 150 rounds.

Eventually you do get to the point of diminishing returns.

Maybe this isn't relative but I have reached a 3 shot average of 3083fps with my 264wm with the 160gr Woodleigh PPSN with 71gr of the old H570 powder and the readings were 3052, 3088 and 3108. Have some to test with 73gr H570 which could reach 3150. 30" Shilen barrel.

Test rifle or hunting rig?

Hunting rifle owned sense 1963 Rem 721 new shilen barrel in 2010.

Wow that's alot of barrel...

nice brush gun...

I have more than one brush gun. This is my open country gun. Rock Chucks to Moose if I ever get drawn in this state. My favorite brush gun is my DPMS 338 Federal.

SAAMI specs have been released.
Cheers...
Con

SAAMI specs

http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2014/02/official-26-nosler-saami-drawing-now-available/

So it's based off a 7mm rum for sure now...

yes it is , the shoulder pushed back and then necked down to 264

Looks like Nathan Chesney has one built and ready for sale:

https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbth...s/8595140/Re_hillbillyrifles#Post8595140


Who is going to say the magic words?

Bet it balances right at the front action screw?

Need a strong left arm for off hand shooting. 12.5 lbs.

Just saw this 26 Nosler on Nathan Chesney's blog:




Link:
http://hbrifles.com/nathans-blog/30

Call them and talk to Shawn Finley Tell him I referred you!

yes

http://static.squarespace.com/stati...a59cc6/1392421251029/26_Nosler_SAAMI.pdf

Should be no shortage of RUM actions to use as donors!

Even left hand Rem 700 300 RUM's are available and often for a good price.....

A std. mag. action could be converted to 26 Nosler without going full mag length. The 26 Nosler should fit a 7RM, .300WM etc. std length mag. action.

Here is a photo of a .300 RUM action converted to .404J, the parent round. See the "windows" in the box, allowing the wider bodied rounds to properly fit under the action rails. Even though this is a full mag. length RUM action, the same idea should work. This is a M-70 RUM action, I haven't examined a M-700 RUM action but would think it has a similar arrangement.

One could cut these windows in a std. mag. box and alter the follower for the fatter round. I've heard that the std. mag. follower sometimes works OK with these fatter rounds without alteration.

DF

http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/7846376/2

What is the price tag on that beast?

$4295 according to the web site. He offers a discount for the first orders. Looks like a great gun.

I can see $600 replacement barrels on existing magnum rifles with tired tubes. Lots of Loonies can do their own glass bedding, etc. I'm sure we'll be seeing those projects.

DF

Finished this one up. Now to see how it runs out.

Looks good...need a range report!

Very nice!

The plan is to run it out mid morning. I will certainly post up the results.

Based off of what I've seen with my 270 STW.
Barrel life will be short.
Toasting the throat doesnt necessarily mean that it will loose accuracy.At least not right away. But what typically happens first, is you loose speed.Would not surprise me one bit if after you got to 300 rounds that you drop 100 fps due to "throat roast".
Thinking this would be a good application for Melonite barrel treatment.
I got a look at the reamer print today.The 26 has a 35 degree shoulder.and looks like a nice clean looking round with no surprises.
For a open country,flat shooting,hard hitting, low recoiling round.Id carry one..
I hope Nosler does well with it.
Run a 127g Barnes LRX at 3450 fps.
And poop will die...before they hit the ground....

dave

Hopefully load workup comes quickly....this is a cartridge that a person needs twins setup exactly the same, one for play and one for hunting!

Initial 20 rounds of the factory 129's are history. I was wanting to get a feel for 100 to 500yrds and this is what I came up with.

20 rounds, Avg 3317 with ES of 60 and SD15. 100yrd Zero, 3.25 at 300, 4.75 at 400, 7.5 at 500yrds.

Shot my 6CM (just finished last fall) right next to this rifle. The recoil got me a little even though I have been running some heavy hitters. On the 500yrd target I changed my hold on the rifle on #4 and #5 and am certain that is what pulled them left.

Got the 20 cases worked and will run some 142SMK and or 140 Berger Hybrids on the next run for giggles.

My brass should be here shortly so I will drop back and retest.

Something I should mention. The last few Bartlein barrels I have ran seemed to settle in at 60 to 80 rounds give or take. Not blaming the barrel, just stating what I have witnessed on the previous.





300yrd group. One sighter, two follow up.


12th round Magneto Speed results.

Any word on other major manufacturers picking it up yet? I'd like to see a Savage or Ruger.

Gunner,

Not to hijack, but tell me more about your 6 Creedmoor. I'm having one built this year. Thanks.

Interesting.

129's at a little over 3300 is .264 Win Mag territory. I get 3250 with the 140's

When you go to loading for it, try RL 33. I bet it will get you more velocity

...and I'd like to hear your results