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I watched an interesting documentary tonight that postulated that the fatal shot that killed JFK was actually an ND fired by a SS agent in the chase car.

Apparently this has been touted before, but this investigation also considered additional evidence/files/testimony made public during the Clinton administration.

Essentially, the theory is that Oswald fired only two shots, and that in the heat of the moment and as a reaction to these, an SS Agent in the chase car picked up a loaded and cocked AR15, but in the commotion/confusion, had an ND that struck JFK in the head resulting in the horrific head wound.

Part of this is based on testimony of several witnesses in and around the motorcade that they could smell gunpowder after the third shot and also evidence from the autopsy.

This records the entrance hole to the head wound as measuring 6mm in diameter which is too small for a bullet from Oswald's 6.5, but the correct size for a 5.56mm from an AR15.

They also note the head wound itself and the massive tissue damage is more in keeping with a frangible bullet from an AR15 than an FMJ as used by Oswald.

I am not sure we will ever know the truth, but if a second shooter was involved, a simple "cock up" seems more likely than some of the very complex conspiracy theories advanced by some..

Having watched the video more than a few times... I cant imagine anyone thinking the last shot came from the rear ?

I don't think the AR15/M16 was in wide use in 1963, let alone by the Secret Service. I also think someone would have eventually spilled the beans about the ND, and found a 5.56 shell casing either in the chase vehicle, or the street.

the fatal shot came from the front......

They looked at the position of KFJ's head in the various footage and also the position of the entrance and exit wounds, plus the massive damage done to the brain and the skull. They deduced some angles ect, and its seems a shot coming from the chase car best fits the evidence.

Plus, the agent concerned was photographed holding the AR15 with one hand sort of trying to steady himself in the chase car as it speeds forward..He even gave testimony to the Warren Commission that he picked up the rifle from the floor of the car, but of course did not say he fired it..

I've seen the head flip footage debated lots of times, and I am keeping an open mind as to how JFK' body is reacting..

That said, an ND from a chase car does seem a very plausible idea and would also perhaps explain the actions of SS following the autopsy which did smack of a cover up...

There was one in use that day in the car behind Kennedy. That much has been proven, along with the fact that it was pulled up for operation.

Many people on the street by the motorcade smelled burnt gunpowder afterwards too. That pretty much means some firearm discharged at that level, and proximity.

Not saying it happened that way, but it could have.

Disagree. The fatal shot came from the 6th floor of the school book depository, just like the Warren Commission said.

This has been proven beyond all doubt, through computer animation.

It all connects back to international bankers.

(rim shot)

But seriously, Pete, the vast majority of Americans cannot keep a secret, no matter how many oaths they take over their professional careers.

If a Secret Service agent had an ND and killed the president, a lot of people would have known about it and I would say that at least half of them would have written it up in memoir form to be published after their deaths. A lot of them are dead of old age now.

There hasn't been a peep and we are a nation of blabbermouths.

A reaction to a heavy bullet headshot and a high velocity hollowpoint are different enough that I could buy the .223 HP from the rear being the cause of that trauma and reaction.

Here's the vid that sealed it for me. There is no doubt, he was shot from the rear.

That doesn't mean that a conspiracy never transpired or that Oswald wasn't what he said he was, a patsy.

Maybe, or maybe not, not with something of this magnitude anyway..

The documentary also mentioned that Clinton ordered a re examination of all the documents/evidence with a view to them being made public.

Many of the agency's complied but the Secret Service just happened to have destroyed all the stuff they had a week before the order was given..

I have spent the last 50+ years reading everything that I can about the assassination. There is far too much evidence that was ignored or altered by the Warren Commission for it to stand as a valid investigation.

It was the Mob
no it was Castro
no the Russians
any way you cut it he died that day

It was Jackie Kennedy,she had enough of his whorin' around.

Have you guys ever BEEN to Dealy Plaza? I have. I stood on the X in the street , looked up at that window and the first thing I said was - "I could make that shot". Slow moving open car moving slightly away - It's a fairly easy shot that I would think most guys on here could make.

The longest shot was a hair over 100 yards.

Two years ago I had an opportunity to visit the site of the shooting and look though the window of the 6th floor. There are 2 X's painted on the street indicating where the car was when the 2 shots were fired that hit.

Not saying there isn't more to the story, but I was struck by how easy the shots would have been. Just about anyone with any hunting experience could have made either shot more than 50% of the time. The car was traveling less than 5 mph and was almost straight away for the 2nd shot at about 40 yards. The 1st shot was at a bit of an angle, but only about 30 yards. Hunters make that shot at walking deer from elevated tree stands all the time.

The whole area is much smaller in person than it appears on TV. I see no way anyone with a gun could have gone unseen firing from the front. There is simply no place to hide and they would have been only about 20-25 yards from the car at the time of the 2nd shot.

The gov't has a hard time keeping real secrets - like the names of our spies, and software for submarines.

The idea that someone in our gov't arranged/covered up such a shocking/historic crime, and no one ever spilled the beans in 51 years just doesn't pass the smell test. And if it was Castro/the Mafia/the CIA/the KGB was believed to have done the deed, that organization would have been hunted to the ends of the earth.

If a large organization(with resources) wanted Kennedy gone, they would have picked a different method. Shooting at a moving car was a fairly low percentage shot. They could have just arranged for his mistress to be revealed, or some other embarrassing trick. The risk would have been far less.

No one wants to believe one jackass could knock off the Potus, but he was skilled, and lucky enough to do so.

How do you explain the 6mm entrance hole in the skull?

If that information was recorded accurately during the autopsy, surely it rules out the shot coming from Oswald's 6.5mm?

Agreed, I have been there. It is a fairly small area. The idea that someone was hiding "on the grassy knoll" with a high powered rifle is laughable. It's just not that big of an area, and there were several people gathered there. No way a man with a rifle would have been there unnoticed.

Please do not cloud the issue with the facts.

Complex and abstruse conspiracies are far more interesting and fun than facts.

L.W.