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Royce,

Regarding your original post. You really surprised me, my friend. I thought that no one in the world even remembered Vilfredo Pareto, much less understood his work.

I wrote a term paper on Pareto in a graduate-level Sociology seminar about forty years ago and have seldom thought of him since. Thanks for bringing him up.

Personally, I just ignore the occasional person that feels the need to interrupt an otherwise logical and sane discussion. We have two members who can be counted on to do this; one has an incredible high number of posts and one is fairly new. Anyway, it's best to just consider the source, ignore the intrusion and hope that the interloper just goes away.

Works for me.

Steve

Steve,

For whatever it's worth, I've always found your down to earth and fundamental advice and experiences to be some of the most valuable and informative contributions offered on the campfire. I only wish you were around a bit more often but that's out of pure selfishness. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Thanks

Of course, having said that, don't let any of it go to your head. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

When I was �old enough,� my beloved grandfather Fountain started taking me along on fox-hunts. But my mother insisted that he bring me back to the house not too late that night. Eventually, when I was four or five, she consented to let me stay out all night. I was in Hawg Heaven!

Many are the memories, of course � all cherished � from the odors of Doc�s old home-made soogans and the smells of his old �dog wagon,� to many other "little" details. This thread stirs-up some of 'em.

� We usually didn�t have a fire � just sat around in the dark of some pasture or country road and listened to the dogs� reports of their chase. Seldom any comment other than something like �They�re passing Thompkins�s grist mill� or �Sounds like Patterson�s old Belle wants Patterson to turn her loose so she can get-in on the fun.�

� When nonhunters came along and had to have a fire, there was a fire,of course � if we stayed in that spot long enough. But the conversation was sparse.

� Whenever someone felt that conversation was in order, there was conversation as long as it made sense � never any quarreling or nastiness.

� Inanity was ignored � not answered � and allowed to die.

Hicks and rednecks can be the finest of gentlemen.

Educated folk � especially those who�ve been educated beyond their intelligence or humility � can be awfully hard to tolerate.

We hicks and rednecks � including us who�ve been educated beyond our intelligence � know (a) how to ignore inanity and verbal animosity, and (b) how to have thoughts and even opinions without obsessively voicing them. As someone said long ago, it�s better to keep your mouth shut and be considered a fool than it is to speak and remove all doubt.

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Mr. Ken - I couldn't agree more...

Yup, what Ken said.

Steve

Gee, wonder which 2 guys you could be referring to...or perhaps more correctly: wonder to which two guys you could be referring.... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Ken,

I love reading your posts. Always a voice of reason backed by knowledge.

Thanks

Gee, I wonder. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Vilfredo Pareto, now that was COOL.

Steve

The fire mention reminded me of an early 'coon hunting foray about 40 years ago along the NY/PA border, with my king of the ridgerunners cousin.

Wasn't hard to keep warm while we were after the hounds, but when they got fond of a hollow and stayed there for awhile, I decided a fire might feel ok. Cuz and I were just sitting up in the woods above them, listening, while I rested my aching feet.

About the time I started assembling the fixin's, the dogs took off again. Cuz said go ahead and make a fire, it'll make it easier for me to find your gimpy arse if I don't get back over here before sun up.

Some of our kin have commented that he and I, (both only children), are more like brothers than cousins. Often gets mentioned at family reunions, that one of us hardly ever speaks, the other scarcely ever shuts up. I must be the one with the goose's ass for a mouth, 'cause I've been known to poke him with a stick to get a response.

Attribute his reticence to 50 years spent staring at the rear ends of far too many Holsteins, but he will occasionally divulge the whereabouts of a good buck, if poked enough.

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When I told my pal how my grandfather and a mule scared each other so bad that they both whirled and fell, he stopped the patrol car, put his head onto the steering wheel, and shook with laughter. When he'd recovered his composure enough to talk, he said that he'd walked so many miles through mules' [exhausts] (behind a plow on the farm), he could identify with the mule.

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I have learned a great deal from the Campfire in the 2!/2 years I have been a member. There are know-it-alls every where involved in hunting, not just on the Campfire. My SCI chapter & hunt clubs have more than their share. I'm an engineer have hunted for over 55 years on 3 continents & have a lot of trophies & I am still learning. J. Barness is my favorite modern writer & Dwayne Adams my favorite guide. I learned more about glassing from Adams(over 15 years ago) than any other source.

DuWayne Adams of San Manuel is indeed a top-notch guide. Both he and his guide-buddy whom I hunted with in the early 1980s seemed down-right superhuman in their skill with their Zeisses.

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I hope Lee24 reads this.......... <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Dogzapper
Thanks for the kind words.
Actually, I was being somewhat devious with my post. More than anything else, I was hoping if we cleared the air a bit, perhaps some people would be a little less pedantic and all of us could be a little more easy going.
It would be difficult for me to put a dollar value on this forum, for its immediate access to all of you gun writers that contribute your time, but it would be significant.
When ONE member can upset Mule Deer to the extent that he will no longer post on any thread that said member posts on, something has been taken away from me, and I resent that. That treatment of Mule Deer, or any other writer seems analagous to having a neighbor come over and change four flat tires, and then berating him for putting to much Never Seize on the lugs. It smacks of rudeness and ingratitude, both of which overshadow any real or perceived technical prowess.
By the way, I just dropped an '06 off at the local gunsmith to have opened up to Ackley Improved. Think it will kill an elk?

Royce

Royce, I don't recall my insulting Mule Deer.
Perhaps you are just hiding behind his skirt, crawfishing away from the fight you started.
Are you afraid your childish antics might run off more people than you intended?

Mule Deer already apologized for one of his insults. I accept.

I have certainly not let some of the punks here get away with their bullying, but I don't start fights. If you can point me to where you think I did, do it. If not, apologize.

Due to my take on the most recent posts, the realization that this subject was brought up to target one or two individuals makes the offering of my comments and suggestions seem useless, at best. My comments were shared with the belief that they might actually serve some purpose in helping to make this forum a bit more cohesive and/or respectful. It is obvious that mine and perhaps other's comments were just taking up space rather than being viewed as viable suggestions.

Appreciate the eventual honesty in stating that this post had ulterior motives from the get go, but that does very little in the way of mending fences, whether the concerned members care or not.

A bit of sour grapes....to be expected given the circumstances. Never much liked being an unwilling participant. Nothing that I can't overcome. More the point of being a waste of my time and energy, and other members perhaps, than anything else. Didn't expect the intent nor the outcome to be what it was.

Yeah, Royce's post was pretty specifically directed to certain individuals, but the problem is ongoing and evidently endemic to the Internet. So your comments were welcome.

MD

Appreciate the response Mule Deer. You seem to be just as much an unwilling participant in this thread as I. Your point about being on-going and endemic is well taken and unfortunately, quite true.

Personality issues as well as malcontents in general can't stay hidden for very long. I truly expect that they try, but essentially you are what you are and it gets the best of them. Being that these communications are via the internet just makes expressing their anger and frustrations that much easier. I would have to assume that bridges burned during their earlier years may have limited their access to those around them. The internet and more specifically, this forum, gave them the opportunity to, once again, find new hosts.

Not one to ride on others wagons, but I do look forward to each of your articles and posts as I seem to glean more useful information from yours than from all others. Just being yourself and sharing your experiences without regard to eggshells is, in itself, quite telling and seems to set you apart.

Thank you again Mule Deer and may you have continued success in all that you do.

It is truly amazing how many engineers think that just because they are engineers what they say is the absolute truth on the matter and they try to buffalo other folks into accepting whatever they say as being the gospel truth. THOSE kinds of engineers you can spot a mile away. Engineers are no better or worse than folks of any other profession.

To hold yourself out as an engineer, legally, you have to be registered with the state as a "registered professional engineer." You can go to most state technical board's website and see the disciplinary action taken against registered professional engineers (who have to pass two 8 hour test, have a 4-year engineering degree, and 4 years experience) how are just plain incompentent.

Engineers can be odd. Just this week one shoot and killed another in Omaha. The deceased was a civil engineer who was murdered by a former employee, an electrical engineer.

So, just because you're an engineer (or claim to be) doesn't mean jack. It is what you say, what you do, your experiences, your first-hand knowledge and how you convey and communicate it to others that counts.

That being said, please don't lump all engineers in the same basket. Just like lawyers, were not all the same and if you look long and hard enough you might actually find one you like.

Bret

PS-I've been a registered professional engineer for over 20 years and I make my living correcting other engineers mistakes. Nope, don't use a pocket protector anymore and my the color of my socks match on most days.

Are you holding yourself out to be a firearms engineer, ammunition engineer, or ballistics armor engineer? What you actually know and do for a living does mean jack. If you want to discuss the engineer aspects of one of the topics here, do it, as a professional would.