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The no-love complaint is an old one. Here's a note Q&A from 91 years ago: IS THE 7 MM. IDEAL?
Have been reading about everything to be found in "The American Rifleman," "Outdoor Life," Outers' Recreation," and "Field and Stream," and I seldom see mentioned the 7 mm., which to me seems like an ideal cartridge, especially for the average man.
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I have a Springfield fitted with a Niedner barrel chambered for the Western 139-grain lubaloy open-point bullet, barrel grooved to a 10-inch twist. I am writing for your opinion as to what results I will obtain. The standard twist is 8-1/2 inches, designed for the long 170-grain bullet. I do not believe it is possible to shoot both the 170-grain and 139-grain with any degee of satisfaction, and, therefore, chose the smaller bullet and the slower twist,and it seems to me that I should have a combination that would fill a long felt want in a sporting rifle. H.L.W., Dowagiac, Mich
Answer (by Maj. Whelen): You are dead right about the 7 mm. being a desirable and satisfactory cartridge for the ideal American rifle. It is just exactly the right caliber and power for all American shooting. It is plenty heavy enough for any of our game, including Alaskan brown bear, our largest animal. It is also small enough in caliber to permit of being loaded with a reduced load for any small game. With a fine barrel you have a most excellent weapon. No need of anything better for this country.
... --Bob The Major didn't exactly agree with H.L.W's choice of bullet or twist but threw out an accolade for the cartridge.
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Riddle me this: If a 175gr bullet leaves the barrel of a 7x57 spinning 100,000 RPM, how fast will it be spinning at 300 yards?  300 yds. x 12= 3600" divided by 8 (for 1:8" twist) subtracted from 100,000 = 99,550. Perhaps a little more or less. Feel free to prove me wrong. That, of course, assumes a right hand twist in the Northern Hemisphere. Your mileage may vary. And no mention was made of the Coriolis Effect...
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Typical for you 7x57 lovers, very complicated. Now you are talking like Trekkies, and discussing twist rates again. 
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The no-love complaint is an old one. Here's a note Q&A from 91 years ago: IS THE 7 MM. IDEAL?
Have been reading about everything to be found in "The American Rifleman," "Outdoor Life," Outers' Recreation," and "Field and Stream," and I seldom see mentioned the 7 mm., which to me seems like an ideal cartridge, especially for the average man.
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I have a Springfield fitted with a Niedner barrel chambered for the Western 139-grain lubaloy open-point bullet, barrel grooved to a 10-inch twist. I am writing for your opinion as to what results I will obtain. The standard twist is 8-1/2 inches, designed for the long 170-grain bullet. I do not believe it is possible to shoot both the 170-grain and 139-grain with any degee of satisfaction, and, therefore, chose the smaller bullet and the slower twist,and it seems to me that I should have a combination that would fill a long felt want in a sporting rifle. H.L.W., Dowagiac, Mich
Answer (by Maj. Whelen): You are dead right about the 7 mm. being a desirable and satisfactory cartridge for the ideal American rifle. It is just exactly the right caliber and power for all American shooting. It is plenty heavy enough for any of our game, including Alaskan brown bear, our largest animal. It is also small enough in caliber to permit of being loaded with a reduced load for any small game. With a fine barrel you have a most excellent weapon. No need of anything better for this country.
... --Bob The Major didn't exactly agree with H.L.W's choice of bullet or twist but threw out an accolade for the cartridge. Interesting that Col. Whelen should feel the 7x57 would be adequate for Alaskan Brown Bear. I believe I would feel more comfortable with something in the 105MM range. I suppose it would work given very careful shot placement but I would probably be shaking so bad that I'd miss the whole damn bear. Paul B.
Our forefathers did not politely protest the British.They did not vote them out of office, nor did they impeach the king,march on the capitol or ask permission for their rights. ----------------They just shot them.
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Typical for you 7x57 lovers, very complicated. Now you are talking like Trekkies, and discussing twist rates again. Be careful what you say now. I'll have Mr.Scott beam you into deep space, widest angle of dispersion....
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The no-love complaint is an old one. Here's a note Q&A from 91 years ago: IS THE 7 MM. IDEAL?
Have been reading about everything to be found in "The American Rifleman," "Outdoor Life," Outers' Recreation," and "Field and Stream," and I seldom see mentioned the 7 mm., which to me seems like an ideal cartridge, especially for the average man.
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I have a Springfield fitted with a Niedner barrel chambered for the Western 139-grain lubaloy open-point bullet, barrel grooved to a 10-inch twist. I am writing for your opinion as to what results I will obtain. The standard twist is 8-1/2 inches, designed for the long 170-grain bullet. I do not believe it is possible to shoot both the 170-grain and 139-grain with any degee of satisfaction, and, therefore, chose the smaller bullet and the slower twist,and it seems to me that I should have a combination that would fill a long felt want in a sporting rifle. H.L.W., Dowagiac, Mich
Answer (by Maj. Whelen): You are dead right about the 7 mm. being a desirable and satisfactory cartridge for the ideal American rifle. It is just exactly the right caliber and power for all American shooting. It is plenty heavy enough for any of our game, including Alaskan brown bear, our largest animal. It is also small enough in caliber to permit of being loaded with a reduced load for any small game. With a fine barrel you have a most excellent weapon. No need of anything better for this country.
... --Bob The Major didn't exactly agree with H.L.W's choice of bullet or twist but threw out an accolade for the cartridge. Interesting that Col. Whelen should feel the 7x57 would be adequate for Alaskan Brown Bear. I believe I would feel more comfortable with something in the 105MM range. I suppose it would work given very careful shot placement but I would probably be shaking so bad that I'd miss the whole damn bear. Paul B. Plenty have been taken with less. I believe that Sikadeer's son took one with a 25-06 and the 80 grain TSX with one shot.
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With all the popularity of the 7x57 on the 'fire, I'm thinking one of our erstwhile gun scribes - professional or otherwise - ought to put together an entire book devoted to it alone. It could include stories and photos of game taken over the years and throughout the world, reloading information for old and new guns, technical stuff about throat lengths (which I still don't entirely get), and loads from the lightest to the heaviest and everything in between. I'd buy one and I'll be Ingwe would too.
Now, if we can only get 9998 other folks to commit....
"An archer sees how far he can be from a target and still hit it, a bowhunter sees how close he can get before he shoots." It is certainly easy to use that same line of thinking with firearms. -- Unknown
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No I wouldn't. I already know everything there is to know about the 7x57....... 
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OK, I'll buy two and give one to a friend. That way we still need only 9998 more people.
"An archer sees how far he can be from a target and still hit it, a bowhunter sees how close he can get before he shoots." It is certainly easy to use that same line of thinking with firearms. -- Unknown
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OK. I'll be busy shooting Florida pigs....
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What's that got to do with a 7x57 book? You'll be using your .223AI. But when you're back in Montana, I'll still be slaying them with my old '98...assuming you leave any.
"An archer sees how far he can be from a target and still hit it, a bowhunter sees how close he can get before he shoots." It is certainly easy to use that same line of thinking with firearms. -- Unknown
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But what load are you going to be using for said Florida pigs?
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A 55 grain TTSX out of a .223AI !!  Don't need anything as big as a 7x57 for pigs...
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You better practice shot placement. Otherwise, you're gonna be tracking through some pretty miserable landscape.
"An archer sees how far he can be from a target and still hit it, a bowhunter sees how close he can get before he shoots." It is certainly easy to use that same line of thinking with firearms. -- Unknown
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No worries. Pigs are bigger than javelinas... ![[Linked Image]](http://i560.photobucket.com/albums/ss45/thmsbrownlee/IMG_1446_zpsa78a7b9a.jpg)
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Riddle me this: If a 175gr bullet leaves the barrel of a 7x57 spinning 100,000 RPM, how fast will it be spinning at 300 yards? 300 yds. x 12= 3600" divided by 8 (for 1:8" twist) subtracted from 100,000 = 99,550. Perhaps a little more or less. Feel free to prove me wrong. That, of course, assumes a right hand twist in the Northern Hemisphere. Your mileage may vary. And no mention was made of the Coriolis Effect... Nor Darwin's theory of revolution, and the origin of spitzers.
Our God reigns.
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Nor Darwin's theory of revolution, and the origin of spitzers.
I'm lovin' that! But I thought Bartles & Jaymes invented spritzers in the '70s " Thank you for your support"
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Prayers sent for those hapless individuals who cannot understand or appreciate the multiple virtues and effectiveness of the 7X5.
Here's hoping they see the light, and that they have a sense of humor!!
Steve
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Of course Ingwe would know all about the origins of wine coolers, probably drank them while sitting in a leopard print thong in his apartment with the thick green shag carpet!
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Yes, but computer auto-correction spelling reinvented "spritzer" in the 2000's.
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