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Understood. My Apology.
Bringing his old threads to the top made me wonder...
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Thank you Brad. You are also someone whose experience I respect.
Best regards and I also apologize for any misunderstandings.
Happy New Year.
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By the way, in case you missed it, Jeremiah was a bullfrog.
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Allen had a ton of relevant experience there's no doubt about that, but he had real trouble with anything that didn't agree with his experience. If you weren't shooting A-Frames or Partitions out of a Echols tuned Model 70, you might as well have been hunting with a club. Yep. I don't have any respect for people such as that.
By the way, in case you missed it, Jeremiah was a bullfrog.
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Allen had real trouble with anything that didn't agree with his experience. If you weren't shooting A-Frames or Partitions out of a Echols tuned Model 70, you might as well have been hunting with a club. That's complete horsechit.
“Perfection is Achieved Not When There Is Nothing More to Add, But When There Is Nothing Left to Take Away” Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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Allen had a ton of relevant experience there's no doubt about that, but he had real trouble with anything that didn't agree with his experience. If you weren't shooting A-Frames or Partitions out of a Echols tuned Model 70, you might as well have been hunting with a club. Yep. I don't have any respect for people such as that. Well....he may have formed some pretty firm opinions ( who on here hasn't?). But at least they were based on having done a lot of hunting and shooting over the years in lots of places.You have to respect that. He concluded that combination worked best for him...and about the only real squawk any of us have is that the rifles were expensive....but I doubt he had any more than 4 figures into any of those Echols rifles at the time. Cripes you see guys on here whip through $2-$5k builds like they change their socks, searching for the "perfect" rifle and cartridge. Do that a few times you just paid for an Echols My impression, based on what he posted here,and in phone conversations with him, was he had reached a stage where he was no longer "guessing" about anything.He had a clear understanding of what worked for him. Some people never reach that stage.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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I think that summed it pretty well Bob.
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Allen had real trouble with anything that didn't agree with his experience. If you weren't shooting A-Frames or Partitions out of a Echols tuned Model 70, you might as well have been hunting with a club. That's complete horsechit. Brad - I wrote that in 2008. I'm certainly not going to get in a debate about something written 6+ years ago and absolutely not about a good man that's passed on. I will say I've gone back and re-read Allen's posts more than once since he left us. That's not something I'd do for someone who's opinion I didn't respect.
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To anyone else quoting what I wrote 6+ years ago, when I would have been happy to debate with Allen, to now disparage a man that's passed on, I'd appreciate if you wouldn't. Thank you.
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Brad gets his cunny all twisted up on a guy for digging up an old thread, without knowing why, then calls you out on a post made 6 years ago.
You can't make this stuff up.
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Brad gets his cunny all twisted up on a guy for digging up an old thread, without knowing why, then calls you out on a post made 6 years ago.
You can't make this stuff up. Allen had a ton of relevant experience there's no doubt about that, but he had real trouble with anything that didn't agree with his experience. If you weren't shooting A-Frames or Partitions out of a Echols tuned Model 70, you might as well have been hunting with a club. Yep. I don't have any respect for people such as that. Scott, you're too stupid and drunk (per usual) to realize I didn't dig it up... you can't make this stuff up. Go back one page. Too funny...
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Allen had real trouble with anything that didn't agree with his experience. If you weren't shooting A-Frames or Partitions out of a Echols tuned Model 70, you might as well have been hunting with a club. That's complete horsechit. Here you go Brad, since you are obviously so cum drunk at the moment. You didn't quote someone else quoting JDS comment. You cherry picked out JDS comment and commented on that. A comment made a LONG time ago. Don't matter much, you can go back many years and feel free to quote me calling you a dumbphuck
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To anyone else quoting what I wrote 6+ years ago, when I would have been happy to debate with Allen, to now disparage a man that's passed on, I'd appreciate if you wouldn't. Thank you.
Jeremie jds I never even looked at when you said it.It would not have occurred to me anyway. I didn't consider your comment disparaging anyway.....just an expression of opinion.
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The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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I passed through Oregon just last week and thought long and hard about how much common sense Allen Day possessed. A great hunter and rational man. He is missed by many as we enter another New Year. Bless his family, rifles and wonderful words on the campfire.
Monster Whitetails are Awesome!!!
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Below is a photo of Allen helping me with a blacktail I killed. Those who know blacktail country know how nasty/steep it can be; this one was pretty ugly to extract, but we did it while laughing and jabbing each other in the butt the whole way out. The shot was 300+ yards, but it took about three hours to get the buck down and uuupppp to the landing I shot from. Allen took this photo of me and my buck. We got back to town, butchered the buck and gave it to an old-time friend of ours ... a widow lady who shared our hunting camp for many years. Allen, old friend, Rest In Peace ... I pray for your soul ever day. Blessings, Steve
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I do miss my friend. He helped me out so much preparing for my Safaris. Even gave me a lovely WR cartridge belt holder that goes with me on every hunt to this day. J
A good principle to guide me through life: “This is all I have come to expect, standard lackluster performance. Trust nothing, believe no one and realize it will only get worse…”
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Steve, I just saw this after stumbling on this resurrected thread. Thanks for putting it up. I PMed AD quite regularly for some period in there before 2008.
While I couldn't really disagree with what he promoted, his dogmatism was what we disagreed on but that was minor in the scheme of things. He certainly had a passion that his words communicated clearly.
What was prima facie with him to me later after getting past the niceties was his faith in Jesus Christ as his savior.
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Seeing this thread about my old hunting and gun buddy sure brought back some fine memories. AD and I made a couple hunts together and had more planned until his illness changed everything. I miss our weekly phone visits and numerous emails to discuss guns, cartridges, optics and hunting! He was a no BS guy and when he talked I listened because he was the real deal. I think I learned a lot more from him than he did from me, and I still miss him to this day. Never spent a day afield with a finer human being.
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Seeing this thread about my old hunting and gun buddy sure brought back some fine memories. AD and I made a couple hunts together and had more planned until his illness changed everything. I miss our weekly phone visits and numerous emails to discuss guns, cartridges, optics and hunting! He was a no BS guy and when he talked I listened because he was the real deal. I think I learned a lot more from him than he did from me, and I still miss him to this day. Never spent a day afield with a finer human being. Coming from John that is high praise indeed.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
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Bob, AD certainly knew his M70s and 1911s. He enjoyed using high quality examples of both and was very proficient with either one! I still remember him decking 2 Cape buffalo with his 300win mag over in TZ. You'd have to be good for a PH to allow that! When we were in S.E. Alaska on a bear hunt his chance came and he made short work of that with his 416. I think he'd have enjoyed messing with a 7MSM😉
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