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50 Shades of Dumbphucktitude.

Laughin'. Your little 1:10 twisted Supergrade will probably launch corelokts ok. I guess.

Do you dip [bleep] think that the majority of the shooting and hunting public sits in their basements handloading and obsessing over the twist rates in their rifle? If that's your hobby fine, but you are in a small minority.

As for the super grade, haven't scoped it and shot it yet. If it will put them into 1-1.5 inches at 100 yards, it will be all i ever need to hunt with. I will find one load that shoots good and leave it alone. Who cares about anything other than that? We aren't talking about benchrest or match rifles here. There are plenty of those to be had elsewhere if that is what you are after.

Steelhead, just wondering what you retired from? Underwater basketweaving?

Yes. In fact I have a Portuguese EW for the time being.

But for the most part M70's are just too portly to get my interest.

I have no interest in a rifle pushing 9lb naked, let alone one that is 9lb. scoped and loaded.

So just because they are "too portly" for your interest, you condemn the entire company as unworthy........you ever stop to think that different people have different tastes? That seems to be a recurring theme on this forum.

Well, unless it's a varmint rifle, I am pretty sure more people like an 7-8lb 243 than like a 9 pound one.

And anybody paying attention would prefer something other than a 10 twist in 243.

Maybe that's why they can't keep a permanent business address.

WhelenAway, here's a little secret for you.......most buyers ARE NOT paying attention to the twist rate. I understand that you and a couple of other folks live in a small world and you think that everyone is as crazy about this stuff as you are.....but that simply isn't the case. Most people have a life outside the reloading bench and technical manuals. They want nice guns that shoot reasonably well......that is all.

As far as weight, there is an awful lot of stand hunting done in the United states these days, and an awful lot of fat guys that simply ride their atv to the deer stand and climb up with their rifle. I don' t think weight matters that much to the average bubba. Not sure why anyone would look at winchester anyway if what they want is a lightweight svelte rifle. There are far better choices.

[quote=JasonH]WhelenAway, here's a little secret for you.......most buyers ARE NOT paying attention to the twist rate. I understand that you and a couple of other folks live in a small world and you think that everyone is as crazy about this stuff as you are.....but that simply isn't the case. Most people have a life outside the reloading bench and technical manuals. They want nice guns that shoot reasonably well......that is all.



Yes that BUT, it won't hurt Bubba who don't give a shiit about twist rate and wants his $1500 rifle to shoot an inch and a half to have a faster twist. But having a faster twist will get MORE people who DO give a shiit interested in the product. More customers buying more product = more $$$$$. NOBODY loses!

What is so hard for you to understand about that? I've been rebar relying rifles for over a decade now, I've NEVER had anyone ask for a slower twist and the guys who don't know what twist rate is or does would never know if I screwed an 8 twist on their 243 when I rebarrel it.

You are making this really hard.

A fairly low percentage of those guys visit this site.

Why do you?

Man, this is like watching Groundhog Day.

Maybe one day he'll get it.

Anybody know how Kimber twists the 243 Montana?

1-10"

Burnin': Thanks.

Hmmmm, you thinking of a Forbes?

Kimber is a CRF action with a very similar stock...

Jason,

Sounds like he is consulting members on this forum, which I believe is a good idea. I'm not sure who his target market issue supposed to be, but what he is offering is a rifle to those who demand more than the bic rifles at Walmart.

I can think of a dozen people on here who are a treasure trove of information and well worth the price of their consultation from this website.

A few of them have already posted on this thread, HINT!

+1000 ... I want to see them be successful enough that they see value (market share + profit) in offering Left Hand actions and rifles...

I'd be damned if a let a low level person make the design on my product that I'm dumping large capitol into....and that merely speculation... Lets see if they get their poop in line before they hit the market FWIW this all will be a moot point if they are long throated with a short mag

That's obvious.



Travis

Then those 'most people' that you speak of won't mind if the 223 & 243 barrels are twisted 1:8". Since they don't care.

My god your post are painful. If the average Joe Shlub can't shoot or even care about sub-moa groups, or what twist rate is in the barrel, or if it has a short mag and long throat, why would you?

If Reed wants feedback from people that know, what are you running your soup cooler for? Your points are valid in that Joe Shlub doesn't know or care, but it is a pretty damn sure bet Reed and LAW already know this too.

The comment that this is like watching Groundhog Day is right on the money.