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Im thinking the Lord said something about being baptized by fire. (See, He even predicted the Campfire).

So, I have to think He referred to someone who believed in Him and stuck with believing in Him no matter the adversity, would be saved without water baptism.

Your quoted author also said:

"There is much that is true and correct in this book and which should cause constructive reflection amongst those who believe in the verbal inspiration of Scripture."

When a person writes about another person, they are drawing" word pictures" of that person. When several people have written about the same person, the picture gets larger and has more detail.

Even without my friend Ken's knowledge of the languages of the bible, it's ridiculous to believe that Jesus established an unyielding protocol that must be followed before we could avail ourselves of the Abundant Life He provided for us. That idea just don't fit the picture.

After all, He's the One who condensed all the Law and the Prophets into two simple commandments, and reserved His harshest criticisms for those who added all sorts of rules and regulations for His people.

Water baptism, like ALL the other sacraments and creeds, are for the benefit of believers who are so inclined, not commandments of God.

krp,



John 4:1-2
"Therefore when the Lord knew that the Pharisees had heard that Jesus was making and baptizing more disciples than John. (Although Jesus Himself was not baptizing, but His disciples were)...."

I'll let you decide.

curdog4570



If Jesus told His disciples to do something was it a command or suggestion?

Why are you asking me?

Ask Him.

curdog4570,

Sorry, man, I addressed it to the wrong person. It should say krp.

Does Christ personally baptize?

Kent

curdog4570,,

It looks like another mistake. You mention something about the sacraments. I was directing the question to you because you brought it up.

And he told you you were asking the wrong person... Ask 'him'...

Kent

bibliolatry, bibliolatrist, n. —bibliolatrous, adj.
/bib'lee ol"euh tree/, n.
excessive reverence for the Bible as literally interpreted.
[1755–65; BIBLIO- + -LATRY]

(Random House Webster's Unabridged Dictionary)

— id est, undue regard for the Bible itself — especially as privately interpreted.

I read where Jesus told His disciples to "Do this in remembrance of Me." Is that a command or suggestion? Do we have a Bible student who will tell me what they think?

Command? Why are you adding adjectives to verse if you claim it's literal?

Kent

A couple of comments:


Ehrman begins to get lost when he shifts from a critical examination of the texts (he is a textual expert) to interpretation of what the textual variations mean and their impact on theology. It is here that Ehrman breaks down. His unusual and biased conclusions regarding true textual difficulties is where critics of Ehrman have a heyday. While an expert in the technique, he goes astray when he derives philosophical conclusions that are not supported.

From a critic:

“It's natural to assume that an expert in a very specialized field is also an expert in general. That's a mistaken assumption, however. Dr. Ehrman's work has been invaluable to me as a check to my particular prejudices, but I would not take any of it without critical examination. His style of writing in his popular books allows him to move very subtly from his considered opinions on the history of the text to his less reliable opinions on the consequences of that history. This unfortunate tactic prevents me from wholeheartedly recommending Bart Ehrman's books.”

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TF

krp,



I didn't add anything. I asked a question.

Does Christ personally baptize?

Kent

He will never answer. He has no opinion to post. I gave up on him after he revoked my salvation. Ignore is my friend.

I do remember some quote I remember reading somewhere about stiff necked people. I think you may be dealing with one.

Great point.

Bibliolatrist posting on this thread blindly sinning against the God that he so fervently wants to cleave unto.

Irony

I got him in a bind, his other problem is he can't comprehend written word... I still don't think he knows who him is.

Let alone a verse...

Kent

krp,



If you apply the Words of the New Testament to us today, you find your answer here.
Matthew 3:11
"He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire."