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I'd say any cartridge thought to trump shot placement is overrated.
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1. 7mm Remington Mag 2. 7mm Remington Mag 3. 7mm Remington Mag 4. 7mm Remington Mag 5. 7mm Remington Mag and a close #6... 7mm Remington Mag +2
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1. 7mm Remington Mag 2. 7mm Remington Mag 3. 7mm Remington Mag 4. 7mm Remington Mag 5. 7mm Remington Mag and a close #6... 7mm Remington Mag +2 I like this! donsm70
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Probably more over-rated gunwriters, than cartridges.
Anyone with a lick of common sense can pick the right tool for the job.
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1. 7mm Remington Mag 2. 7mm Remington Mag 3. 7mm Remington Mag 4. 7mm Remington Mag 5. 7mm Remington Mag and a close #6... 7mm Remington Mag +2 I like this! donsm70 Laugh a minute around here.
Last edited by BobinNH; 03/24/15.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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Opinions are like [bleep], everybody's got one. Plenty of both around here.
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1. 7mm Remington Mag 2. 7mm Remington Mag 3. 7mm Remington Mag 4. 7mm Remington Mag 5. 7mm Remington Mag and a close #6... 7mm Remington Mag +2 I like this! donsm70 Laugh a minute around here. $100 says the 7mm Rem Mag is still humming along in 20 years (not willing to lump any of the new 7s with it though). You willing to take the other side?
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Klik: Heehee.... Nope. Lousy bet.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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$100 says the 7mm Rem Mag is still humming along in 20 years (not willing to lump any of the new 7s with it though). You willing to take the other side? 20 years from now, bloggers will be saying Michelle O is still "beautiful". Does not mean they are right. BMT
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Phil Massaro must be the twin brother to Lee H. Joots the other brain dead gunwriter. Sheeit what kinda moron editor tells a writer to come up with crap like this? no wonder the mags are on their way out. Magnum Man
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$100 says the 7mm Rem Mag is still humming along in 20 years (not willing to lump any of the new 7s with it though). You willing to take the other side? 20 years from now, bloggers will be saying Michelle O is still "beautiful". Does not mean they are right. BMT No worries; I'm not changing my bet. (You can certainly have that one….. bleh!)
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1. 7mm Remington Mag 2. 7mm Remington Mag 3. 7mm Remington Mag 4. 7mm Remington Mag 5. 7mm Remington Mag and a close #6... 7mm Remington Mag +2 I like this! donsm70 Laugh a minute around here. The 270 WSM is lucky to get 100fps on the regular old .270, which is what makes the 7Mag a joke also, as it won't even get that over a .280
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#1 30-30
Not that it doesn't work, it does, but a sharp stick still works as well as ever if the hunter knows how to use it. And I'd bet a sharp stick has taken more game than all cartridges combined over the last 10,000 years.
I like the round well enough and have several 30-30 rifles, but hearing how great it is gets old. It works, but ain't nothing special. The fact is it had been obsolete for 3 years before it was invented. It was a step backwards in cartridge development.
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They just want constant reassurance that what they believe is the truth.
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a single cartridge will never be perfect Ahem...... The first smokeless cartridge I believe was the 7x57....no major improvements have occurred since then. Except the 223AI.... Shrap was right...my butt just puckers when I hear "7MM Mag..."
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Anybody that doesn't own a 7x57 should be banned from the Fire!!!
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"...the left considers you vermin, and they'll kill you given the chance..." Bristoe
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The 270 WSM is lucky to get 100fps on the regular old .270, which is what makes the 7Mag a joke also, as it won't even get that over a .280
From the Nosler manual: (Not that I need it having owned multiples of both). Top velocities: 280-150 from 26" Barrel: 2995,2990,2982,2966. 7 Rem Mag-150 from 24" barrel ( hardly even-steven but whatever): 3248,3240,3162,3128. WE could talk 140's: 280-140 26" barrel 3152,3070,3056,3002. 7 Rem Mag-140 24" barrel: 3340,3318,3282,3263 280-175 from 26" Barrel: 2760 7 Rem Mag-175 from 24" barrel: 2970 I bogged down in math awhile ago,but sure looks like more than 100 fps to me.And all through this we are spotting the 280 2" of barrel. In real life after 15-20 7 Rem Mags and maybe 6-7 280's (who knows?),and to simplify, the real world difference is the 7 Rem mag will do with a 160 what a 280 will do with a 140 day in and day out, rifle to rifle, and as near as we can guess at home pressure wise,which is somewhere between 3050-3100 fps....and it takes a good shot in the arm to get that velocity with a 280. You better be stomping on it Most popular belted magnum....ever. Top 10 in reloading dies and factory ammo just about every year, far as I know.Used internationally, and the poor old 280 has taken a seat way at the back of the bus since 1962,despite its obvious virtues.Great cartridge. Gotta think on this a bit and wonder..... what open country North American BG animal can't be taken with a 7 Rem Mag as far as we can hit properly (made easier by moderate recoil and bullets designed to the task). Be right back...... I can't think of any. Overrated? I don't think so.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
The 7 Rem Mag is over bore.
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Anybody that doesn't own a 7x57 should be banned from the Fire!!! Have two 7x57's.
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Yeah but you still slum a .270
Thats like being married to Heidi Klum and sneaking around behind her back with Rosie Odonnell.....
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Nothing new to post. Am just going to repeat what I posted this morning:
"Personally, I am SHOCKED that any magazine would run a controversial article in an attempt to attract readers. I am far less shocked that so many Campfire members have helped spread the word about this shocking article."
Might do this again, more or less randomly, until photos of women start outnumbering predictable posts on rifle cartridges.
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