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Yep

Absolutely 100% the cops are completely responsible the that fracas. Those people have been in the area a long time with out trouble that I am aware of. Friendly easy going is what is heard.

No idea what the employee problem was, but without a doubt the fight in the parking lot that lead to a death was caused by the police's overbearing forceful actions.

Any one of the fighting males could have been justifiably killed. There were 7 people begging for suicide by cop. Only one lost his life. You cop haters should actually like this video. Those officers are good men, all of them.

They shoved a mentally handicapped female employee to the ground who was trying to access the restroom they were occupying. Friendly and easy going, video totally supports that. Some of you guys are unbelievable.

Yep, your one of the cop brother's aren't you?
Birds of a feather

I look for a reason to find fault in a cop's actions in these kinds of videos.

I can't find any here - other than perhaps they should have waited for backup but I doubt they suspected the ferocity of these people at not cooperating with police questioning.

I would say those people are very lucky to only lose one family member (not sure what happened to the guy gutshot) given their continual "don't shoot me" then attack mode they were doing.

Not convenience. Lawyers convinced juries a long time ago that hitting people with a hickory "club" was mean. Next it was asps, then Tasers. Liberals won't be happy until scumbuckets are being beat to death with fairy wands.

Damn straight. Doubt your brother would admit the same about you. Strong-armed any retarded girls lately?

Haha, 700LH siding in with a bunch of transient gypsies. Must be proud to hang your hat with that lot.

The only fault I can give those officers is there wasn't a lot more empty brass on the pavement.

Handled wrong from the beginning. Them cops are lucky them douche-bags were retards. Them douche-bags were lucky them cops were retards... I get why a cop would want to try to intimidate a group to try and gain control. But the cops [bleep] that up from the get go. Don't get me wrong. I like/respect cops..

I tend to agree with a poster earlier here who said someone needed to get out of the car with a shotgun. If used properly ie fired the second someone determined deadly force, and the officer not try to fight with the cumbersome scattergun flailing along, the fight would have lasted all of 30 seconds. Slugs and buckshot put big holes and end engagements quickly.

I have tons of admiration for Officer Stearley, as you can clearly see him looking to engage a subject with his duty weapon, but can not get a clear shot so he holsters and gets back in the fight.

I also have tons of admiration for the officer who was shot. If you watch him, he not only clears a malfunction from his weapon, but the entire time he is being worked on he stands guard with his pistol at the ready. The officer was wounded but never out of the fight and not afraid to protect himself and his officers.

The biggest amount of admiration though, goes to the Wal-Mart associate who was there dropping bombs and helping the police officers when he did not need to. He can't fight for schit, but he traded blows with the other big boy and helped out immensely. I heard he received a civilian Act of Valor, and rightfully so. There is a strong possibility he saved lives that night.

Biggest thing I don't understand is why the local SO or DPS never showed up. I doubt they were THAT far out on respond time.

For you cop haters, if you A. Weren't there or B. Have never worn the badge, you need to STFU. I feel if one has never walked that thin blue line, one should not commentate on actions taken by brave men and women who volunteer their lives to protect and serve against things that go bump in the night. Protecting the lives, rights and safety of those very same people who will critique their every action, and say, based one one side of the story how it 'should' have, or say "That's not how I would have handled that situation" when it makes local paper and news the following morning. It is almost always easier to come up with a more "perfect" solution to the situation the following morning while sipping coffee on the couch of your home after a full nights peaceful rest.

"For you cop haters, if you A. Weren't there or B. Have never worn the badge, you need to STFU. I feel if one has never walked that thin blue line, one should not commentate on actions taken by brave men and women who volunteer their lives to protect and serve against things that go bump in the night."

I'm the "cop hater" who offered the "shotgun solution".

But, you're right........... we should all shut up on these type threads and let you HEROES have the floor.

Brother I need your help the next time an officer who was forced to commit rape or confiscate cash/property for their personal use comes up. You and I know that was all the officer could do at that moment and it is wrong for those who have never been police to say it was anything other than the correct action.

Here's the deal.
Was a crime committed initially?
Yes. Simple assault by one person against a Walmart employee.
That person needed to be pulled out.
The instant that any other person interfered with that happening that person is under arrest.
Handcuffs are much easier to sell that force on.
Dad was the leader.
"May, I talk to you sir. Please, everyone just wait your turn...your all going to have a chance to tell your side, I promise.
SIR, your son is being accused of simple assault on an employee of the store. I need him to go over there and speak to officer ssmith and make a statement. If everything is above board we are good and y'all can be on your way, alright?
Separate the son.
Now I know your all upset and this isn't what you had planned tonight, please bear with me and we will get this over with and you can be on your way.
Officer smith is taking your brothers stament. Did anyone else here actually see what happened? ..great. Could you PLEASE come over here and tell officer Jones what you saw only.
Thank you."


The Walmart employee needs to be in the back of a patrol car.
The primary suspect is separated.
Dad is calmed and in turn back up is very near.

" Sir, may I speak to again pleas? I am going to have a few other officers come take ataments to help get everyone's story and help your family get on your way tonight, OK?
Great, if you'll just tell your folks. I don't want them to be alarmed by a bunch of police cars (laugh, smile, hand on shoulder)"
You've got to use psychology.
Its selling handcuffs.
Does it make you look weak? I never though so. It is an easier transition, being nice.
The way the cops rolled in there was no way to deescalate into any form of mutual respect and way to open a line of communication.
Aggression begets aggression.

And the truth is, you have no idea who your rolling up on.
What they may have just done, what warrants they may have.
They may have just got out of prison on a second bid.
They might have a bomb or a body in the trunk.
They may be some whacked out group of doomsday cultists.
You don't know.
Might be a fkin ninja UFC ultimate warrior.
You don't know.
Being nice works.
I used to play dumb redneck Barney Phief. I didn't want them to see me as a threat.
I wanted them to think I was the Forrest Bump of LE.
I can't tell you how many dumfounded people have set in the back seat, cuffed, with their drugs bagged and tagged, shaking their heads in disbelief when the veil was lifted and the figured out the ruse.

that is horseshit - if you can't do the job, then f'ing quit.

In this case I'm completely in support of the police but there are too many instances where cops just overstep their position and if you're gonna sit there and tell the public at large they shouldn't comment on it because they've never been a cop, no one is going to listen.

This idea that cops should be given a free pass because they risk their lives ain't happening. Its a volunteer paid position, they know the rules going in.

Them guys getting electric service back up and running after a big storm are risking their lives, also.

And they don't mind us talkin' bout them.

Them cops with the "hero complex" worry me.

Biggest thing I don't understand is why the local SO or DPS never showed up. I doubt they were THAT far out on respond time

could have been, cottonwood is 20 miles from the freeway, and there are not that many dps in that area any given time. As to the SO, I actually did patrol that area at one time for the SO. Often times any backup I had was even further away. It was a long time ago, but some times there were only a couple of us for a county the size of some states.

DPS did show up, the video is 8 minutes long. The vehicle recording left to take the wounded officer to the hospital. Fighting commenced and help showed up and got the derelicts put away.

Ringworm:
This started before the vehicle recording got there too. I wasn't there and it's not on video but we have no reason to believe polite requests to separate weren't met with combativeness. Those derelicts were not cooperating from the get go, that's why backup was called. When the recording vehicle gets there those derelicts are already boiling for a fight.

Put the shoe on the other foot. The public has responsibility too. They committed a crime and were confronted by authority. They could just have easily said "Hey officers, this is a misunderstanding, we didn't know..." or whatever their story is. Instead they said "you will not separate us" and started fighting with the police. I can't see blame going any other way in this instance, the derelicts were the ones being combative and the blame is pretty squarely on them.

During your Barney Fife routine, if somebody didn't buy it and started resisting arrest I'm guessing you didn't give up. If you had the authority to separate for questioning or make an arrest then I bet that's what happened in the end.



I agree with you, one of the great things about this country is that the police force is subject to follow rules and isn't out of control. The public should be able to talk about it, and there are definite instances where they overstep their bounds and that's not OK.

The police have rules to follow and so does the public. My argument here is that the public knows the rules and know what authority the police have. Police ask you to separate for questioning, that's what happens. Everyone knows that what you DON'T do is start a fight with police and then attempt to gain control of their weapons. The police have the right to use force during times of resisting arrest or other assault directed at them and this is not a secret. Simple sh*t. Those derelicts should have complied and they'd all be alive. Instead they chose to fight, that's on them. It was their actions that got them where they are. Cops didn't provoke anything, they knew the score. Everyone here knows that if you swing at the cops they will be met with force.

Everything I ever needed to know about police work I learned from Sun Tzu.
He said something to the effect of...
To surround the enemy entirely is to invite a battle to the death, always give your enemy an escape but make it the route you control to your advantage."
And
Appear weak when you are strong, and strong when you are weak.”