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looks too expansive to me.

Of course 77 and 75 bthp otm have always worked just fine.

Thanks jeff...I wouldn't say I "called" them but you kinda know when it just didn't feel right ya know..? On the smaller of my groups the 9 o'clock flyer was of course shot #10...
I am very pleased with the Stag tho and am sure with some more ammo experimenting and practice I can shave those down a bit more.

The first time I took it out with various bullet weights I shot maybe 10 5 shot groups and 3 of them JUST shaded .500 so I know I'm the weak link..The gun can hang

This is a 65gr SGK, recovered from a spike buck (I said doe incorrectly earlier). About 80 yards, the shot broke the onside humerous, gouged a chunk out of the heart, and stopped in the offside hide, with the jacket & core separated, but together. The final weight is 27.6 gr. The buck only went about 30 yards & piled up.

tahts failure IMHO, but it worked... 223 and deer is the land of TSX IMHO for safety.

But the 63 smp was fall back years ago and worked about like your picture often.

I wouldn't consider that failue at all. The bullet did exactly what it was supposed to do, and the deer died quickly.

When the jacket seperates from the core, the question of what if, if you have to have angled penetration, a shoulder is hit, even worse if at an angle and so on.


If so, you have to limit the shot animal sizes and shot placement.

If thats acceptable then its fine, if not then a better bullet, IMHO, needs to be used.

I"ve shot lots of stuff with varmint HPs, meaning deer, you have to be very picky about shots, but you know that going in. Varmint bullets are made to come to pieces, hunting bullets typically are not and should not be IMHO. Retained weight for comfort should be at least 50% if not more for me anyway.

So as long as you are aware, life is fine.

Certifiable, need complete post with pics for your entry.

Current Rankings:

Optics:
1) scenarshooter: .475 MOA (page 6)
2) tex_n_cal: .783 MOA (page 10)
3) KeneticPerformance: .819 MOA (page 8)
4) jimmyp: 1.085 MOA (page 5)
5) TWR: 1.110 MOA (page7)
6) Certifiable: 1.155 MOA (page 5)
7) wareagle700: 1.246 MOA (page 1)
8) BGunn: 1.265 MOA (page 2)
9) 348srfun: 1.449 MOA (page 7)
10) tex_n_cal: 1.461 (page 5)
11) jimmyp: 1.537 MOA (page 5)
12) fredIII: 1.736 MOA (page 5)
13) Formidilosus: 1.787 MOA (page 4)
14) Mathsr: 1.928 MOA (page 4)
15) wareagle700: 1.968 (page 5)
16) TWR: 2.308 MOA (page 1)

Iron Sights:
1) rost495: 199-8x / 1.351 MOA (page6)
2) wareagle700: 167-0x / 3.320 MOA (page 1)

anyone who knows anything is reasonable regards what they do, the idiots that get in trouble are those that shoot a 55 grain varmint bullet into the arse and then talk about how piss poor the 5.56 performs when in truth their B.S. is just a big ego with the inability to remain a student of reality.

Good shooting folks.

TWO , 10 shot groups under MOA now, meaning 20 shots under MOA for a group basically.

Thats really impressive when you think about it, from a gas gun, that most folks thought was a joke years ago.

And the best part, already a .5 moa group basically as the top group.

Very impressive.

Jimmy, you have more faith in folks than I do. but my wife says I"m an old grouch anyway.

A bullet that looses its jacket, and goes to piecse and retains less than 50% is not what you need if you make a mistake IMHO. But if you know what you are doing, a 22lr is more than enough for most deer/pigs. SO it does depend on knowledge.

Wareagle, hopefully these will complete my post but if not its all good...
Rifle is stag model 6 with 1/8 twist and was shooting some older factory PMC ammo loaded with sierra 52gr. HPBT..
Scope is 16x SWFA in SWFA SSALT mount.

Range was same San Leandro rifle and pistol range 100 yards..

Yep, thanks!

To keep from having to edit each line in the rankings I will keep up with places 1-10 and the rest will be listed below in order of group size. This just makes it faster to keep up with them.

I hope to take another crack at this over the weekend.

Current Rankings:

Optics:
1) scenarshooter: .475 MOA (page 6)
2) tex_n_cal: .783 MOA (page 10)
3) KeneticPerformance: .819 MOA (page 8)
4) Certifiable: .935 MOA (page 10)
5) jimmyp: 1.085 MOA (page 5)
6) TWR: 1.110 MOA (page7)
7) Certifiable: 1.155 MOA (page 5)
8) wareagle700: 1.246 MOA (page 1)
9) BGunn: 1.265 MOA (page 2)
10) 348srfun: 1.449 MOA (page 7)
tex_n_cal: 1.461 (page 5)
jimmyp: 1.537 MOA (page 5)
fredIII: 1.736 MOA (page 5)
Formidilosus: 1.787 MOA (page 4)
Mathsr: 1.928 MOA (page 4)
wareagle700: 1.968 (page 5)
TWR: 2.308 MOA (page 1)

Iron Sights:
1) rost495: 199-8x / 1.351 MOA (page6)
2) wareagle700: 167-0x / 3.320 MOA (page 1)

I sure hope I can shoot again... soon... but its rain and flood forecasts this weekend again. But I'm not complaining. We've needed the rain for so many years now, a good flood or 5 ain't gonna get me complaining.

damn I may have to as well!

To be fair to the Gameking I pictured, I did make a bit of a mistake, since I planned to put it tight behind the shoulder. I was too tight and caught the leg bone. Had it missed the bone it may well have exited on the offside. And the expansion would have been more inside the chest cavity.

I might have to break out an AR-10 this weekend. A new barrel arrived in the mail.

Good to know on the shoulder issue, but what happens if its a 225 pound buck, in rut, and you miss the ribs and hit the shoulder?

I had a 300 wtby shooting the 180 nosler partitions(how I learned they are NOT the bullet for the 300, use the 200 partition instead or better yet a barnes) when I shot a similar buck, big, heavy, in rut, big neck... Shot him in the neck at about 125 steps. I had no other target. Bullet stopped on THIS side of the spine. But it hit hard enough to break the neck at least. So I could grab my pistol and shoot him again....

Just saying, when dealing wiht small rounds, you shoudl be EXTRA careful on bullet choice.

Here is a couple of groups shot with my Mini-30 and some Remington 7.62X39 full jacket ammo. I left in the initial shot, which is usually found most anywhere on the target with no apparent relationship to the following shots. In this case it was almost in the other group. Y'all just have no idea how proud I am that all 20 shots are on the paper... if not on the correct target. There was a time when they wouldn't have been.

This rifle started out shooting 8 to 10 inch groups @ 100 yards and is now down to the neighborhood of 3 inch groups if you could throw out the first shot.

The Mini-30 isn't much good for anything I have found because the one shot that is really unpredictable is the first one out the spout.

The Mini-30 with Leupold VX3 2.5 to 8


The range...


The target... Group 1 on the right 4.292 inches, group 2 is 2.492 for an average of 3.4 inches.

Mathsr,

So that's how yall prepare for the Blade Show? Hard at work I see...........

Glad to see a Mini make it into the challenge! Better than I would have guessed.

Wareagle, epoxy has to harden sometime….

Heck that's better than the AK I owned. And frankly I have an AR that never did shoot any better, until I rebarreled it.