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Looking for a powder to give me the most speed using the Nosler 150 grain AB / LR
New 25" Benchmark stainless 5R bbl.
Have RL 22 - IMR 7828.
Thinking Reloader 26?
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While I think you are on the right track with 7828 for well balanced loads, if max velocity is your goal, you might trial 4350, RL19 or RL17.
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Of those listed, RL22 will be the closest.
4350, rl19, and rl17 are all to fast to be optimum with a 150gr bullet in the .270.
H4831, Rl22, magpro, will give close to top velocities.
The proven combo in the .270 win is to work up to max with H4831.
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IMHO the question is almost impossible to answer.It's hard to predict which of the OP's powders will provide top velocities in his 25" Banchmark...we may have a general idea but all the powders he lists could end up being the top powders. But i doubt much more than 75-100 fps will separate all of them.And we wo't be doing the loading and have no idea how far the OP will push things, where he thinks the ceiling should be. But if I were a betting man....  given the 25" barrel, and based on what I have seen myself with manual loads of RL25 in the 270, I would put my money on the RL26 with Fed 215's to lead the pack. It's slowest and the 25" barrel will take full advantage. I'd expect RL22 to be #2,simply because it's capable of pretty giddy velocities in the 270 even though you gotta be careful with it. Of course it's all a WAG on my part. 
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I figure You would need close to a 28" barrel to get everything out of RL26. Your loads would already be compressed with RL22, so I doubt you could get enough RL26 in the case to surpass it.
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IMR 7828 is one of the top performing powders in the 270, and since you already have some I'd use it.
Reloader 23, 26, IMR 7977 are also likely candidates.
I have high expectations for Reloader 26 when it's in stock.
In your longer barrel, the slower powders have some time to do their work for you.
I'm interested to see how the temp sensitivity claims hold up for the newer powders.
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You'll be hard pressed to find anything better than RL-22 for velocity & accuracy...........it will beat 7828 on velocity every day, all day, & while 4831 is always good accuracy wise, it's not in the game with '22 velocity wise.
It will also beat '25 as well.
That from my 24" & 22" barreled guns............
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But if I were a betting man.... given the 25" barrel, and based on what I have seen myself with manual loads of RL25 in the 270, I would put my money on the RL26 with Fed 215's to lead the pack. It's slowest and the 25" barrel will take full advantage. I'd expect RL22 to be #2,simply because it's capable of pretty giddy velocities in the 270. That's my thinking.
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You'll be hard pressed to find anything better than RL-22 for velocity & accuracy...........it will beat 7828 on velocity every day, all day, & while 4831 is always good accuracy wise, it's not in the game with '22 velocity wise.
It will also beat '25 as well.
That from my 24" & 22" barreled guns.... Didn't know that, glad to hear as I have 2 full cans of RL 22 to work with. Nosler shows a book maximum load of 56.5 grains @ 2902 fps using a 24" bbl
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I figure You would need close to a 28" barrel to get everything out of RL26. Your loads would already be compressed with RL22, so I doubt you could get enough RL26 in the case to surpass it. AS: I bet the load would be pretty well compressed. But with a 150 it may surprise us. Working from memory here a bit but IIRC I used the old blue Barnes 130 gr bullet(which had that super slick coating) and used the manual load of 65 gr RL25.It was heavily compressed but gave 3200 fps from a 22" barrel of a M70 Classic FW. Pressures seemed OK. So I am figuring that if I got RL25 to work with a 130, no reason it won't do well with a 150. So sure, a 28" barrel would be better but it proved to me it would work in a 22" barrel as well. I started down the path of doing more work with the cartridge and RL25 but just got sidetracked . Fred Barker did a great article in Precision Shooter several years ago on very slow powders in the 270 and RL25 was one of them, along with MagPro. He used a 26" PacNor IIRC and the results were pretty impressive. The gist of the article were that the 270 with heavy bullets works better with very slow burners,than it does with powders we have come to regard as "traditional". Anyway RL26 is a newer powder and I'd still try it and think it would do well...it may not be "fastest" of those three but that equation can easily change from one rifle to another regardless what manuals say. That's where I'd start.
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Postscript: Beretz texted me Alliant loading data today for the 270 and 150 gr bullet.
Lo and behold......RL26 showed 3034 fps from a 24" barrel with 60.4 gr and 150 gr bullet.WW brass and Fed 210 primer.
It was higher than RL23 and RL17.
The 280 Remington is overbore.
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Bob,I use RL-26 in my FN Mauser .270. In the 22" barrel it's getting an average of 3010 fps with Federal brass,Fed 210 Match primer and 150 gr NP.
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H4831 might not be in the game with RL22, but when it's 10 below zero, I believe H4831 will outrun it. Even if it doesn't, H4831 won't show the temperature sensitivity and possible changes in point of impact that RL 22 will show. If you want a powder to get high velocities in the summer so you can post them on the internet for bragging rights, I'd choose RL22, but for a reliable hunting load, I'll take the temperature stable H4831 every time.
I doubt even in warm weather that RL22 would show a difference in velocity that you could see in the field.
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eklhuntr: Well....there you go. I had a hint about this using RL25. I understand that H4831 is the powder for the 270; but it appears there are other powders of slower burning rate that are suitable,too. Only point being we have more options today than we did when H4831 ruled the roost.
Royce: The last 270 barrel that I shot out,a Krieger,showed a decided accuracy preference for RL 22,the reason I went to it over H4831 in that rifle, which I continued to use in other 270's.
With H4831 it was merely OK,but it bug holed with RL22 loaded to the same velocity level. Don't know why...just a characteristic of that particular rifle.
I hunted it a lot and of course there was no difference in performance between those I fed one vs the other.
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I figure You would need close to a 28" barrel to get everything out of RL26. Your loads would already be compressed with RL22, so I doubt you could get enough RL26 in the case to surpass it. AS: I bet the load would be pretty well compressed. But with a 150 it may surprise us. Working from memory here a bit but IIRC I used the old blue Barnes 130 gr bullet(which had that super slick coating) and used the manual load of 65 gr RL25.It was heavily compressed but gave 3200 fps from a 22" barrel of a M70 Classic FW. Pressures seemed OK. So I am figuring that if I got RL25 to work with a 130, no reason it won't do well with a 150. So sure, a 28" barrel would be better but it proved to me it would work in a 22" barrel as well. I started down the path of doing more work with the cartridge and RL25 but just got sidetracked . Fred Barker did a great article in Precision Shooter several years ago on very slow powders in the 270 and RL25 was one of them, along with MagPro. He used a 26" PacNor IIRC and the results were pretty impressive. The gist of the article were that the 270 with heavy bullets works better with very slow burners,than it does with powders we have come to regard as "traditional". Anyway RL26 is a newer powder and I'd still try it and think it would do well...it may not be "fastest" of those three but that equation can easily change from one rifle to another regardless what manuals say. That's where I'd start. Bob, I revitalized my Quickload this weekend and there were a few surprises in it for me. Quickload agrees with your prediction and puts RL26 at the top of the pack. RL25 can potentially beat it IF you can get enough in the case. ADI AR2213 (the Aussie name for H4831sc) also predicts very well. As for other new powders, RL17 was another top performer, and I was surprised to see CFE 223 predicting higher then Hybrid 100v. Good call Bob. Now lets just hope the OP can find some RL26 and give us a range report.
Cartridge : .270 Win. (SAAMI)
Bullet : .277, 150, Nosler PART SP 16323
Useable Case Capaci: 60.130 grain H2O = 3.904 cm³
Cartridge O.A.L. L6: 3.340 inch = 84.84 mm
Barrel Length : 25.0 inch = 635.0 mm
Predicted Data for Indicated Charges of the Following Powders.
Matching Maximum Pressure: 64000 psi, or 441 MPa
or a maximum loading ratio or filling of 110 %
These calculations refer to your specified settings in QuickLOAD 'Cartridge Dimensions' window.
C A U T I O N : any load listed can result in a powder charge that falls below minimum suggested
loads or exceeds maximum suggested loads as presented in current handloading manuals. Understand
that all of the listed powders can be unsuitable for the given combination of cartridge, bullet
and gun. Actual load order can vary, depending upon lot-to-lot powder and component variations.
USE ONLY FOR COMPARISON !
88 loads produced a Loading Ratio below user-defined minimum of 75%. These powders have been skipped.
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Alliant Reloder-26 102.9 61.3 3.97 3119 100.0 64000 11901 1.164 ! Near Maximum !
Norma MRP 103.8 60.0 3.89 3094 100.0 64000 12064 1.162 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N560 105.5 59.8 3.87 3088 98.5 64000 12398 1.158 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 517 108.2 64.0 4.15 3085 99.2 64000 12148 1.150 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 12 108.0 63.9 4.14 3084 99.2 64000 12125 1.150 ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 70 100.5 59.3 3.85 3082 100.0 64000 11675 1.150 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate MAGPRO 105.8 62.3 4.04 3078 97.4 64000 12466 1.165 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 SSC 104.1 59.3 3.84 3072 98.8 64000 11974 1.150 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 7828 110.0 59.3 3.84 3071 98.8 63941 11972 1.150 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5/NP ~approximation 105.8 59.3 3.84 3063 99.6 64000 11906 1.165 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-22 105.8 59.3 3.84 3063 99.6 64000 11906 1.165 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA15 105.8 59.3 3.84 3063 99.6 64000 11906 1.165 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester WXR 108.6 59.6 3.86 3062 99.5 64000 11924 1.165 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP15 108.6 59.6 3.86 3062 99.5 64000 11924 1.165 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2213 105.0 58.9 3.81 3057 98.7 64000 11873 1.149 ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 60 94.2 54.8 3.55 3052 100.0 64000 10699 1.158 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AP 2214 108.8 62.6 4.06 3046 98.9 64000 11690 1.147 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Magnum 105.4 63.6 4.12 3042 99.8 64000 11337 1.157 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-25 110.0 60.6 3.93 3040 100.0 60008 11513 1.186 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-23 108.4 58.8 3.81 3028 100.0 64000 10708 1.172 ! Near Maximum !
Elcho 17 93.1 54.1 3.51 3028 100.0 64000 10623 1.166 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-17 93.1 54.1 3.51 3028 100.0 64000 10623 1.166 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R905 107.0 58.8 3.81 3027 98.4 64000 11609 1.166 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP5 NT ~approximation 108.7 61.4 3.98 3020 97.0 64000 11717 1.154 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2209 101.9 56.2 3.64 3019 99.4 64000 11275 1.156 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-19 102.5 56.8 3.68 3017 99.5 64000 11344 1.164 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 511 94.8 56.0 3.63 3011 100.0 64000 10946 1.171 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP14 ~approximation 103.2 57.2 3.71 3010 99.4 64000 11262 1.165 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Hunter 98.0 56.1 3.63 3009 100.0 64000 10931 1.171 ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 62 96.5 56.1 3.63 3009 100.0 64000 10709 1.183 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 760 92.5 54.2 3.52 3007 100.0 64000 10980 1.172 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H414 92.5 54.2 3.52 3007 100.0 64000 10980 1.172 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 ~approximation 100.4 55.6 3.60 2992 99.3 64000 11048 1.166 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA4 100.4 55.6 3.60 2992 99.3 64000 11048 1.166 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 204 97.2 55.6 3.60 2992 99.3 64000 11048 1.166 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S365 99.6 54.9 3.56 2991 100.0 64000 10136 1.181 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 107.8 58.1 3.76 2990 98.1 64000 11192 1.162 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4831 SC 103.6 58.1 3.76 2990 98.1 64000 11192 1.162 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N550 94.8 53.7 3.48 2986 100.0 64000 10592 1.182 ! Near Maximum !
Norma URP 97.5 53.5 3.46 2985 100.0 64000 10452 1.178 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP19 ~approximation 97.5 53.5 3.47 2985 100.0 64000 10449 1.178 ! Near Maximum !
Accurate 4350 96.6 53.6 3.47 2980 100.0 64000 10403 1.195 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S385 102.7 57.5 3.73 2978 99.8 64000 10812 1.184 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N570 110.0 64.3 4.17 2969 92.9 53325 12986 1.250
Winchester Supreme 780 100.9 59.0 3.82 2967 99.4 64000 10762 1.170 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP4 NT ~approximation 98.0 55.1 3.57 2967 99.9 64000 10617 1.178 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4831 102.3 54.3 3.52 2966 100.0 64000 10219 1.187 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP30 110.0 61.0 3.95 2964 98.1 54924 12105 1.244
Norma MRP 2 110.0 61.0 3.95 2964 98.1 54924 12105 1.244
Accurate 3100 105.8 58.6 3.80 2964 100.0 64000 10464 1.197 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R904 101.2 55.3 3.58 2962 98.7 64000 10784 1.168 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N165 108.0 59.2 3.84 2962 99.7 64000 10556 1.175 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 11 91.2 52.2 3.38 2961 100.0 64000 10069 1.177 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Big Game 88.2 52.1 3.38 2955 100.0 64000 9962 1.178 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon CFE223 83.3 51.5 3.33 2952 100.0 64000 9942 1.178 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4350 99.9 54.2 3.51 2951 99.8 64000 10428 1.171 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S070 97.2 53.3 3.45 2951 100.0 64000 10429 1.186 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4895 88.0 48.8 3.16 2950 100.0 64000 9985 1.183 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4350 98.1 54.1 3.50 2950 99.8 64000 10405 1.171 ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 52 88.6 50.7 3.29 2947 100.0 64000 9803 1.186 ! Near Maximum !
Raufoss RA11 88.8 49.2 3.19 2945 100.0 64000 9952 1.183 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP11 ~approximation 88.8 49.2 3.19 2945 100.0 64000 9952 1.183 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-15 88.8 49.2 3.19 2945 100.0 64000 9952 1.183 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N160 108.0 57.4 3.72 2944 98.6 64000 10582 1.171 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H380 90.1 51.1 3.31 2943 100.0 64000 10097 1.186 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP7 NT ~approximation 92.2 51.6 3.34 2942 100.0 64000 10114 1.160 ! Near Maximum !
Alliant Reloder-33 110.0 67.0 4.34 2940 93.0 52633 12797 1.259
Norma 203B 89.2 49.5 3.20 2940 100.0 64000 9874 1.185 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon Hybrid 100V 100.1 53.7 3.48 2939 100.0 64000 9625 1.179 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 516 87.0 51.4 3.33 2936 100.0 64000 9992 1.177 ! Near Maximum !
ReloadSwiss RS 50 90.2 52.0 3.37 2933 100.0 64000 10116 1.180 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R907 95.1 51.7 3.35 2932 99.8 64000 10287 1.180 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP7 95.1 51.7 3.35 2932 99.8 64000 10287 1.180 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4007 SSC 92.1 51.8 3.35 2931 99.8 64000 10280 1.180 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S361 100.1 59.1 3.83 2930 98.1 64000 10578 1.179 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon BL-C2 83.9 50.7 3.29 2928 100.0 64000 9742 1.189 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot Wild Boar 84.4 50.0 3.24 2927 100.0 64000 9739 1.180 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 4320 90.8 49.5 3.21 2927 100.0 64000 9607 1.171 ! Near Maximum !
Elcho TR140 - preliminary data 89.8 51.4 3.33 2927 100.0 64000 9836 1.182 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S065 96.2 52.1 3.38 2926 100.0 64000 10017 1.187 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP3 90.4 50.6 3.28 2926 100.0 64000 9715 1.199 ! Near Maximum !
Norma 203 old 90.4 50.6 3.28 2926 100.0 64000 9715 1.199 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2206H 86.2 47.8 3.10 2925 100.0 64000 9717 1.181 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon H4895 85.8 47.6 3.08 2923 100.0 64000 9659 1.183 ! Near Maximum !
Ramshot TAC 84.7 50.6 3.28 2922 100.0 64000 9926 1.177 ! Near Maximum !
Rottweil R903 92.4 50.7 3.28 2921 100.0 64000 9630 1.198 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 9 86.8 49.7 3.22 2919 100.0 64000 9647 1.180 ! Near Maximum !
Bofors RP3 NT ~approximation 93.8 51.7 3.35 2919 100.0 64000 9826 1.172 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S355 92.6 50.2 3.26 2918 100.0 64000 9656 1.192 ! Near Maximum !
SNPE Vectan SP 7 85.2 50.7 3.28 2916 100.0 64000 9754 1.188 ! Near Maximum !
Winchester 748 81.5 48.6 3.15 2916 100.0 64000 9405 1.183 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S071 110.0 57.7 3.74 2914 100.0 60189 10405 1.231 ! Near Maximum !
Hodgdon VARGET 91.8 49.2 3.19 2913 100.0 64000 9637 1.173 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2208 91.5 49.2 3.19 2913 100.0 64000 9637 1.173 ! Near Maximum !
ADI AR 2217 110.0 60.3 3.91 2905 97.5 54939 11336 1.230
Hodgdon H1000 110.0 60.3 3.91 2905 97.5 54939 11336 1.230
IMR 4064 92.3 48.3 3.13 2903 100.0 64000 9439 1.178 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S341 85.2 50.8 3.29 2902 100.0 64000 9394 1.183 ! Near Maximum !
PB Clermont PCL 507 83.7 48.4 3.14 2901 100.0 64000 9382 1.182 ! Near Maximum !
Somchem S321 82.0 48.9 3.17 2896 100.0 64000 9399 1.189 ! Near Maximum !
Vihtavuori N530 83.0 46.3 3.00 2893 100.0 64000 9280 1.181 ! Near Maximum !
Lovex S062 89.9 48.5 3.14 2891 100.0 64000 9289 1.193 ! Near Maximum !
IMR 8208 XBR 84.9 47.1 3.05 2886 100.0 64000 9190 1.181 ! Near Maximum !Just a note for all you home gamers out there. This prediction was run at 64k PSI. These are not starting loads.
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3100 with a 150 PT?! Damn. We've come a long way as far as powders go. I don't know that it gets any better for western hunting.
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The OP is actively shopping for RL26.
I also load for the .300 Weatherby magnum & this Alliant powder looks to be an outstanding choice in the 26" barreled Mark V as well.
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I've got some RL-26 in transit to me right now, and hope to try it soon.
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I have not seen RL-26 yet at any of my usual places.
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I've got some RL-26 in transit to me right now, and hope to try it soon. I look forward to your range report.
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