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To add that Mike 375, who I don't see on AR these days, likes the single stacked Weatherby system for feeding.

Now you don't get crf or a lot of rounds in the magazine either so thats a takeback but thats what he uses much of the time.

...That line is rife with design mistakes...what utter bullschitt from someone who has TWO of these superb rifles to play "hunter" with in suburbia for maybe three years. The comments about the MS are more drivel from a "wannabe/neverwas" who totally ignores the experiences of men with vast field experience, often referring to them as "old guys" and posts his nonsense based on "bubba'ed" rifles. What next, the usual crap about how Echol's "Legends" are not worth the price and so on, ad nauseum?

I recently took one of my Brno 21H actions and loaded five rounds into it, this action is bonestock and I stripped the rifle because the original owner had shot the barrel out, hunting here in B.C. where posers and BS artists don't last long. I loaded a .30-.06, a .280 Rem. a 7x57, a .308 Win. AND a 9.3x62 round into it AND it FED, EJECTED and FUNCTIONED PERFECTLY with this combo, several times WITH the rounds loaded in various combinations of position in the mag. The ejector and internal parts are MAUSER and are in EXACTLY the same spatial relationship in the 21H action as in M-98 actions....measure the bloody things and then LEARN before posting more bulltwaddle.

As to the MS stock/triggers, etc., many were fitted with SINGLE triggers, I have had three of them and have one now. The LOP determines the ease of operation in these as in other rifles, even an over-rated, functionally error prone "new design" such as the Kimbers.

The length of an action does not mean jacksquat in terms of feeding, it is the INTERNAL CONPONENTS and THEIR SPATIAL RELATIONSHIP that control this; you know, like the P-64 Winchesters you laud as being the better action/rifle....which, while they are excellent, they are NOT.

Keep shooting your "sod poodles" in suburbia, a hell of a way to learn about REAL function in rifles under stressful conditions, geez, what crapola!

Your insults do not diminish my facts. If you had a factual argument then why not use it? I can understand that your striking out and insulting me as you can't answer the facts.

I don't see the fact that you backpack into the woods helps you figure out how a gun feeds. I prefer to do that in my shop and at the range. How is the woods better?

You say that the short 308 feed just fine from the 3.34" long action? Are you sure that you understand how such a short round might double feed?

Try it again. Of course I suppose you can't really evaluate it's feeding as your not swating black flies in the wilderness. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smirk.gif" alt="" />

When you try it again load the 308's forward in the magazine where someone might do it at random or that recoil from firing the gun would send them. Now your rifle will jam if you don't draw the bolt back all the way. It will pick up the next round in the magazine and double feed it before the ejector can reach it.

It seems that the ejectors varied in the Brno 22 and 21's. They got so many things wrong with that series anyway that the must have put in too short ejectors in mine.

To be frank Kutenay you don't seem all that observant to me at all.

<img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />Boy if you ever want to get Kutenay wound up just say something bad about a BRNO!

The best feeding action ever was the SMLE. The long guide rib etc. made a huge difference. Haven't seen many in hunting configuration though.

I think that a properly tuned 98 is slightly better than a properly tuned M-70 due to the guide rib on the bolt, but any differences are slight...........................DJ

Brno left the bolt guides off of many of the 21/22's also!

That action has a bolt root thats so high that it won't clear a normal scope, a pistol grip thats too far behind the trigger, a safety that does not lock the bolt closed and those Brno's bolts are really loose with the safety on. Kutenay has told us that some of them were lost.

I have a lot more on that rifle if he will discuss the facts.

One of the slickest feeding is the Schultz & Larsen. I've even owned one and have handled many others.

I can chamber a round pretty darn quick and smoothly with the Weatherby Mark Vs I've owned.

Out of the cheaper rifles I still think the Tikka T3 vertical stack mag takes a lot of beating.

By far the best feeding centerfire action I have owned is a custom DGR .375 H&H built by Ed Plummer of AHR based on the double square bridge CZ-550 Magnum action.

Best feeding rimfire action hands down in my experience is the BRNO ZKM 611.

I didn't know you could shoot out of the back of a jeep in africa? Hell, I've nver even SEEN a jeep in Africa! So you mean to tell me that I could have avoided walking those 8-10 miles a day when I could have shot out of the back of a "jeep"?

I'd like the name of that outfitter please. Oh yeah, in my experience, either a well tuned 70 or a M-98 clone. But what do I know, I WALKED when I could have rode! jorge

The two smoothest, most reliable feeding rifles I have ever come across were a 50s vintage FN Mauser in .270 and my Dad's 721 in .270. The FN was so smooth that if you had rounds in the magazine with the bolt open, and you tipped the muzzle to the ground, the bolt would start forward and start to chamber a round.

The worst feeding rifle I ever had was an early 80s vintage Interarms (Zastava) M-98 in 270 Win. It couldn't feed rounds from the magazine without jamming.

In general, a pushfeed is more forgiving as to what it will feed. A properly tuned CRF set up for a paticular chambering is the most reliable. At least that is what I have seen..........

Lovely...extrapolate Auto Manufacturer's insignias,with rifle reliability,for me please.

Feel free to extrapolate walking too.

Really not suprising,that the modest round count wasn't mentioned in your rebuttal.

I've yet to the own the rifle of ANY Make,that could discern auto insignias,boat insignias,airplane insignias,backpack insignias,boot insignias or GPS coordinates,as related to feed/function.

Machines hardly get more simplistic,than a boltgun...though Mousers never showed me anything,nor has Winny(M1's of their Manufacture,excluded,though others are held in higher esteem).

A Savage schlepped on foot through Africa,is still a [bleep] Savage..........................

Stick,

Come on--he gothca. It happens to all of us from time to time. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

Let it go (not that I have ANY credibility in letting things go myself................. <img src="/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

BTW, I have to agree with you than a Garand is usually scary reliable, and you idea about round count vs feeding malfunctions is well put.

Laffin'...I guess he told me?!!?

As an aside,I could never enter Weatherby MK5's into serious reliability conversations,though the Howa is 2 thumbs up..........................

Wasn't extrapolating anything, just pointing out that your views on:
A. Vehicles used over there
B. Hunting over there
Are irrelevant (and erroneous). As to a rifle's ease or smoothness of operation, could you be mistaken there as well?

And speaking of extrapolating, what does hunting over there have to do with smooth feeding rifles? Since you brought it up, I'm all ears.

Incidentally, had the oportunity to shoot a Roger Farrell tuned CZ in 458 Lott. Very smooth indeed, but Imust concede that most if not all factory CZs are a bit rough out of the box. Don't own any of those either, but I do own lots of Model 70s and a few Mauder action Browning Safari Grades, both are very smooth indeed as is my RSM in 416 Rigby but that one also took some attention by Mark Penrod.

A Savage? wouldn't be caught dead with one, even in the piney woods of the south. Is your writing purposely invested in gobbledigook or is there a method here I'm missing? jorge

A Carl Gustaf Husky is pretty slick.

Just want to be a bit contrarian and throw a real wrench in the gears.

MY fastest feeding, slickest feeling bolt action - is a Browning A-Bolt - and I own a lot of different makes of rifles. My worst, is my Remington Ti.

My fastest feeding action (of any kind) though, is an old 760 Remington pump - faster than poop through a goose.

Make that VERY slick, imagine after 80+ corrections, wow.

There is no such thing as "the best feeding action".

It depends on the cartridge, bullet loaded in it, action length being appropriate or a compromise, magazine and its spring. A 98 Mauser that feeds .270 rounds like magic can be fiddled with and rebarrelled to something else and choke on every round.

Of my rifles it would be an FN Mauser (pre-Browning import) in 30-06