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Attorney's in St. Louis gated community are likely to have a major & expensive fight on their hands.

St. Louis Circuit Attorney wants to get to the bottom of why the couple felt the need to "defend" & protect their home from "peaceful" protesters who tore down the iron gates to the community.

You have no rights to protect yourself or your home anymore.........................

MM

Citizens Protecting Their Home to be Investigated
How did they not see this coming, as attorneys? This whole story seems to stink of fish to me.
Yeah....It looks more and more like they are a psyop. It is a felony to brandish firearms. They knew this, I am sure.
All you do to understand this is investigate who the St.Louis circuit attorney is, and how she got the position!
Originally Posted by HuntnShoot
It is a felony to brandish firearms. They knew this, I am sure.


So howyasupposed to protect yer house from the mob if'n ya can't handle yer weapon??

MM
My right of self defense was not granted by man.
Do we really still have that right?????????????

Doesn't sound like it in St. Louis, MO..............maybe OK just in FL or MT???

MM
Yes. You can exercise the right with only a slight twitch of your index finger. It is an inalienable right.
Originally Posted by MontanaMan
Originally Posted by HuntnShoot
It is a felony to brandish firearms. They knew this, I am sure.


So howyasupposed to protect yer house from the mob if'n ya can't handle yer weapon??

MM

Not by running out onto the lawn/driveway with firearms in ready position while said mob passes by on the road. If they step onto your lawn, you can demand they leave. If you see violent intent, according to the laws of your state/city, you may be able to protect yourself with force. The law would see it that way, just as they are. The owners of said gated community would have the right to kick people off the road and out of the community.
The core tenet of communism is that no one has a right to property, all property is communal. If you don’t own anything then you don’t have a right to defend it. BLM is a communist front organization so it makes sense that they’d want to push encounters like these and have leftist courts prosecute people for defending their property, thereby weakening property rights.

Once the courts have weakened the right to own and defend property then it’s a step towards making it easier to confiscate. At its core this BLM/Antifa BS is about wealth transfer, they want your stuff is what it boils down to.

The McCloskeys are stupid. They could at least put on some shoes.

I am glad they did what the did,.......butI hate for them be portraying gun owners, in their stupid ,unprepared manner.

They committed assault by pointing their weapons at the mob.
They might have averted assault by pointing their weapons at the mob. They were minding their own business at home when out numbered 50:1 by a mob that had already done property damage to gain access.
Originally Posted by cisco1

The McCloskeys are stupid. They could at least put on some shoes.

I am glad they did what the did,.......butI hate for them be portraying gun owners, in their stupid ,unprepared manner.

They committed assault by pointing their weapons at the mob.


No, we’re stupid because we gun owners are sitting around criticizing their firearms handling instead of focusing on the fact that they had a right to defend their property. This plays right into the hands of the gun grabbers claims that only the police should be allowed to have guns and any citizen should be licensed with 1000 hours of seal team training before they’re allowed to possess one.

I don’t care that she wasn’t wearing shoes or that she looked goofy holding her pistol, she kept the thugs from looting her property so what she did worked.
I agree, crow hunter.
I suppose "Who actually holds title to the street and sidewalk in a gated community?" would be a valid question.

It is assuredly not the homeowner as an individual, as he can not forbid other members of the community, LEO, USPS, or FD from using the road.

If the mob was fully contained to the street and sidewalk, the homeowners may well be truly fugged. The rifle should have been slung and the handgun holstered, if only for the safety of her husband.
Originally Posted by Crow hunter
Originally Posted by cisco1

The McCloskeys are stupid. They could at least put on some shoes.

I am glad they did what the did,.......butI hate for them be portraying gun owners, in their stupid ,unprepared manner.

They committed assault by pointing their weapons at the mob.


No, we’re stupid because we gun owners are sitting around criticizing their firearms handling instead of focusing on the fact that they had a right to defend their property. This plays right into the hands of the gun grabbers claims that only the police should be allowed to have guns and any citizen should be licensed with 1000 hours of seal team training before they’re allowed to possess one.

I don’t care that she wasn’t wearing shoes or that she looked goofy holding her pistol, she kept the thugs from looting her property so what she did worked.


A jury might be interested to know, "How many other homes without armed defenders got looted by this mob?"
Y'all understand the SL DA is a George Soros puppet, right?
Originally Posted by DigitalDan
My right of self defense was not granted by man.



AMEN!
Originally Posted by HuntnShoot
Originally Posted by MontanaMan
Originally Posted by HuntnShoot
It is a felony to brandish firearms. They knew this, I am sure.


So howyasupposed to protect yer house from the mob if'n ya can't handle yer weapon??

MM

Not by running out onto the lawn/driveway with firearms in ready position while said mob passes by on the road. If they step onto your lawn, you can demand they leave. If you see violent intent, according to the laws of your state/city, you may be able to protect yourself with force. The law would see it that way, just as they are. The owners of said gated community would have the right to kick people off the road and out of the community.

Once they broke through the gate onto private property they became trespassers.
If you live under elected officials who believe the same politics that this DA does, then you damn right you have no rights. Is that a friggin surprise??

This couple deserves everything coming to them to be this stupid to live there.
Originally Posted by jdm953
Originally Posted by HuntnShoot
Originally Posted by MontanaMan
Originally Posted by HuntnShoot
It is a felony to brandish firearms. They knew this, I am sure.


So howyasupposed to protect yer house from the mob if'n ya can't handle yer weapon??

MM

Not by running out onto the lawn/driveway with firearms in ready position while said mob passes by on the road. If they step onto your lawn, you can demand they leave. If you see violent intent, according to the laws of your state/city, you may be able to protect yourself with force. The law would see it that way, just as they are. The owners of said gated community would have the right to kick people off the road and out of the community.

Once they broke through the gate onto private property they became trespassers.

Funny how the DA gives no [bleep]....what they did is called brandishing. Look it up. It's a felony. Keep trying to convince yourselves, boys.
I agree with Crow Hunter. BLM leaders also want to do away with the "nuclear family" and allow any type of sexuality. They want to do away with private property, and push hard for socialism. They want to do away with churches and Christianity (they say it is a "white supremacist" religion). Two of the leaders, one woman, and one man said that. The BLM movement was hijacked by the communist/socialist/antifa crowd. It should be classified as a terrorist organization because they said if white America didn't give them what they want, they would burn down America. Also, all money donated to BLM goes to the Democrat party, which makes them not a charitable organization. The blacks already had the NAACP, which was for peaceful protests and mostly just lobby congress for things peacefully. Some younger blacks said they weren't strong enough or weren't getting the job done, so BLM movement.
"Brandishing a firearm in a "stand your ground" state allows you to carry a gun on your property openly. I don't know about Missouri law, but wouldn't the state law trump the city laws, constitutionally?
I think what they were really lacking is practice and preparation. Exactly what they would do in that scenario. Not actually sweeping any of the vandals with the muzzle of a weapon would be a start, footwear would have been a plus also.

As it was, I believe that couple protected all the houses in that neighborhood, seeing that would make the vandals think twice.
Originally Posted by Birdwatcher
I think what they were really lacking is practice and preparation. Exactly what they would do in that scenario. Not actually sweeping any of the vandals with the muzzle of a weapon would be a start, footwear would have been a plus also.

As it was, I believe that couple protected all the houses in that neighborhood, seeing that would make the vandals think twice.

What you call "sweeping" is a felony. Stop pretending otherwise.

Originally Posted by Dixie_Dude
"Brandishing a firearm in a "stand your ground" state allows you to carry a gun on your property openly. I don't know about Missouri law, but wouldn't the state law trump the city laws, constitutionally?

Pointing a firearm at people not attacking you is not covered in any "stand your ground" law.
Originally Posted by MontanaMan
Attorney's in St. Louis gated community are likely to have a major & expensive fight on their hands.

St. Louis Circuit Attorney wants to get to the bottom of why the couple felt the need to "defend" & protect their home from "peaceful" protesters who tore down the iron gates to the community.

You have no rights to protect yourself or your home anymore.........................

MM

Citizens Protecting Their Home to be Investigated


Couple BLM, ANTIFA,....signs on the front lawn would have been a lot cheaper.
Looking at where they live it's obvious they knew they could afford to do what they did.
I guess they could have sat out in their front yard in a couple of lawn chairs with the AR propped up against him holding a beer and her with the gun on her lap.

Once a protestor felt compelled to throw a rock at them or step on their property, then the brandishing (and more) could have commenced.
Private property.
They gained access by breaking down a barrier.
That should qualify as a threat.
Esp considering the violence that has been reported recently with such mobs.

A show of force, no shots fired.

Should bring no charges.

But my guess is the lawyers were democrats and arent helping the cause, so are going to be punished.
Originally Posted by Slavek


Couple BLM, ANTIFA,....signs on the front lawn would have been a lot cheaper.




Do you really & truly believe that????????????

Please.................get a grip.

MM
Originally Posted by HuntnShoot
[Pointing a firearm at people not attacking you is not covered in any "stand your ground" law.


Wrong.
They kept saying they felt threatened. They aren't going to deviate from that in their statements I bet. I would think that is their strongest move
[bleep]'em. They've been riding the liberal gravy train for too long for me to give a [bleep] about them. I know, but wait till it comes to your neighborhood mantra, but I'm not Salmonella
Originally Posted by cisco1

The McCloskeys are stupid. They could at least put on some shoes.

I am glad they did what the did,.......butI hate for them be portraying gun owners, in their stupid ,unprepared manner.

They committed assault by pointing their weapons at the mob.




Sorry. Don't agree with that assessment.
Originally Posted by hookeye
Private property.
They gained access by breaking down a barrier.
That should qualify as a threat.
Esp considering the violence that has been reported recently with such mobs.

A show of force, no shots fired.

Should bring no charges.

But my guess is the lawyers were democrats and arent helping the cause, so are going to be punished.

That's what is so insidious about calling what these groups are doing "protests". And the prosecutor WILL call them 'protesters" during your trial. You will be painted as someone who assaulted protesters seeking redress for long-standing grievances, and in the process, showed yourself to be a felonious racist POS. Again, It doesn't matter what they do. It matters that they call themselves protesters, and the media and politicians agree.
Originally Posted by local_dirt
Originally Posted by cisco1

The McCloskeys are stupid. They could at least put on some shoes.

I am glad they did what the did,.......butI hate for them be portraying gun owners, in their stupid ,unprepared manner.

They committed assault by pointing their weapons at the mob.




Sorry. Don't agree with that assessment.

Me either...
Thankfully there is a lot of water around here. Everyone would be floating.

But I don't live in a liberal cesspool, making my money from liberal POS. Screw them
Originally Posted by KFWA
They kept saying they felt threatened. They aren't going to deviate from that in their statements I bet. I would think that is their strongest move

If they aren't a faked psyop, I agree. If you look at how the story was rolled out, with endless pictures everywhere, and the way they were portrayed, it looks like a psyop. The goal is to present anyone confronting these "protesters" as unhinged and dangerous and likely committing a crime. And these aren't nobodies in their community. They are very connected. They have a law firm. They are a part of local High Society. Looks like a setup to me.
Originally Posted by Raspy
Originally Posted by local_dirt
Originally Posted by cisco1

The McCloskeys are stupid. They could at least put on some shoes.

I am glad they did what the did,.......butI hate for them be portraying gun owners, in their stupid ,unprepared manner.

They committed assault by pointing their weapons at the mob.




Sorry. Don't agree with that assessment.

Me either...





Furthermore, I did not see them point a weapon at anyone.
Originally Posted by Fubarski
Originally Posted by HuntnShoot
[Pointing a firearm at people not attacking you is not covered in any "stand your ground" law.


Wrong.

Put down the pipe, man. Meth is bad for you. You can't accost "protesters" with a firearm and be "standing your ground." I don't know how you could possibly see it otherwise, except for the meth you are obviously smoking.
We kept looking the other way as they slowly chipped at our trunk and now the tree trembles . We were hiding behind the constitution because it guarantees our rights , when reality is , it was a guide for us to remain free men which required vigilant watch and action .
We got to comfy in our world and ignored the fact that the communists cared not what our constitution guaranteed .
So many have overlooked the fact that the constitution was written at a time when earning freedom was fresh in the minds of everyone who earned it and written by those who understood it was a doctrine that needed a vigilant watch and a vigilant action .
Freedom of speech I am sure was granted with thought in mind that we would have the common sense to recognize that freedom of all speech is not smart .
It is loud and clear now what a weapon unguarded speech has become .
When a person speaks of legislation or politics that threaten our freedoms, it should be a red flag and considered a serious threat . For to long we thought by voting the undesirables out would keep us safe when in reality they just sauntered off and came back from different angles till they eventually got elected or appointed into the system and slowly got people of their ilk in positions they wanted .
To long , known socialist and communist were allowed to live among us .
We failed to recognize the need to exile the enemy .
Think about it , why would anyone with a grain of brain allow an enemy of freedom to hold any office or reside here ?

Never made any sense to me .
Kenneth
Originally Posted by HuntnShoot
Originally Posted by jdm953
Originally Posted by HuntnShoot
Originally Posted by MontanaMan
Originally Posted by HuntnShoot
It is a felony to brandish firearms. They knew this, I am sure.


So howyasupposed to protect yer house from the mob if'n ya can't handle yer weapon??

MM

Not by running out onto the lawn/driveway with firearms in ready position while said mob passes by on the road. If they step onto your lawn, you can demand they leave. If you see violent intent, according to the laws of your state/city, you may be able to protect yourself with force. The law would see it that way, just as they are. The owners of said gated community would have the right to kick people off the road and out of the community.

Once they broke through the gate onto private property they became trespassers.

Funny how the DA gives no [bleep]....what they did is called brandishing. Look it up. It's a felony. Keep trying to convince yourselves, boys.



It's not a crime if you reasonably feared for your life or property.
Originally Posted by HuntnShoot
Originally Posted by jdm953
Originally Posted by HuntnShoot
Originally Posted by MontanaMan
Originally Posted by HuntnShoot
It is a felony to brandish firearms. They knew this, I am sure.


So howyasupposed to protect yer house from the mob if'n ya can't handle yer weapon??

MM

Not by running out onto the lawn/driveway with firearms in ready position while said mob passes by on the road. If they step onto your lawn, you can demand they leave. If you see violent intent, according to the laws of your state/city, you may be able to protect yourself with force. The law would see it that way, just as they are. The owners of said gated community would have the right to kick people off the road and out of the community.

Once they broke through the gate onto private property they became trespassers.

Funny how the DA gives no [bleep]....what they did is called brandishing. Look it up. It's a felony. Keep trying to convince yourselves, boys.

Are you well versed on the castle doctrine in that state. Seems to me the minute the gate came down, they actually had the right to confront the trespassers!
The defense of charges won't cost the owners a cent. They will be defended with dollars from gun rights, and property rights groups! If tbey start a gofund me, I will donate!
Originally Posted by cisco1

The McCloskeys are stupid. They could at least put on some shoes.

I am glad they did what the did,.......butI hate for them be portraying gun owners, in their stupid ,unprepared manner.

They committed assault by pointing their weapons at the mob.


The McCloskeys can go Phugg themselves. They’ve made a fortune by going after decent folk and defending in court the very criminals they were pointing their guns at. A pair of liberal Democrat D-bags that are now feeling the pay back from the very system they want to shove down everyone else’s throat. Had this been you on your lawn instead of them, they’d be the ones filing law suits against you on behalf of the mob. Phugg em a hundred times over...
Originally Posted by Dryfly24
Originally Posted by cisco1

The McCloskeys are stupid. They could at least put on some shoes.

I am glad they did what the did,.......butI hate for them be portraying gun owners, in their stupid ,unprepared manner.

They committed assault by pointing their weapons at the mob.


The McCloskeys can go Phugg themselves. They’ve made a fortune by going after decent folk and defending in court the very criminals they were pointing their guns at. A pair of liberal Democrat D-bags that are now feeling the pay back from the very system they want to shove down everyone else’s throat. Had this been you on your lawn instead of them, they’d be the ones filing law suits against you on behalf of the mob. Phugg em a hundred times over...



See
Originally Posted by HuntnShoot
Originally Posted by Fubarski
Originally Posted by HuntnShoot
[Pointing a firearm at people not attacking you is not covered in any "stand your ground" law.


Wrong.

Put down the pipe, man. Meth is bad for you. You can't accost "protesters" with a firearm and be "standing your ground." I don't know how you could possibly see it otherwise, except for the meth you are obviously smoking.


You don't know WTF you're posin about.

Missouri's SYG and Castle Doctrine laws allow a person to use lethal force to defend themselves from a threat wherever they have a right to be.

These people certainly had a right to be on their own property, and the attackers didn't.

So, they had a right to defend themselves against the attackers, up to using lethal force.

If you want to play semantic games like a liberal, "protestors" protest in permitted public areas.

Attackers kick down a gate and come onto people's private property.

This is a dead end for the prosecutor.
Originally Posted by HuntnShoot
Pointing a firearm at people not attacking you is not covered in any "stand your ground" law.



Pointing a firearm at people criminals, who have destroyed private property (DESTROYED GATE) to GAIN access to PRIVATE PROPERTY(GATED COMMUNITY) not IS attacking you AND "IS" not covered in any "stand your ground" law.

The group, BLM, have already established a precedent proving out they are criminals from the murders and property destruction they have caused.

With that hard fact established, any citizen in that gated community had a right to brandish arms against a criminal gang once they destroyed property to gain access and stepped across the boundary line of the broken gate, because they would legally be within their right to claim in fear of their life, based on the precedent established and present destruction of property at their doorstep, destroyed gate.

The D.A. doesn't have squat.
When they start coming after a staunch conservative with a massive trophy room, that continues to pay taxes to the enemy because his wife's name is on the deed, then I'll get concerned.
Originally Posted by Dryfly24
Originally Posted by cisco1

The McCloskeys are stupid. They could at least put on some shoes.

I am glad they did what the did,.......butI hate for them be portraying gun owners, in their stupid ,unprepared manner.

They committed assault by pointing their weapons at the mob.


The McCloskeys can go Phugg themselves. They’ve made a fortune by going after decent folk and defending in court the very criminals they were pointing their guns at. A pair of liberal Democrat D-bags that are now feeling the pay back from the very system they want to shove down everyone else’s throat. Had this been you on your lawn instead of them, they’d be the ones filing law suits against you on behalf of the mob. Phugg em a hundred times over...




Cannot / Do not disagree with that analysis.
Originally Posted by ElkSlayer91
Originally Posted by HuntnShoot
Pointing a firearm at people not attacking you is not covered in any "stand your ground" law.



Pointing a firearm at people criminals, who have destroyed private property (DESTROYED GATE) to GAIN access to PRIVATE PROPERTY(GATED COMMUNITY) not IS attacking you AND "IS" not covered in any "stand your ground" law.

The group, BLM, have already established a precedent proving out they are criminals from the murders and property destruction they have caused.

With that hard fact established, any citizen in that gated community had a right to brandish arms against a criminal gang once they destroyed property to gain access and stepped across the boundary line of the broken gate, because they would legally be within their right to claim in fear of their life, based on the precedent established and present destruction of property at their doorstep, destroyed gate.

The D.A. doesn't have squat..




Except the need for Vagisil.
Originally Posted by Fubarski
Originally Posted by HuntnShoot
Originally Posted by Fubarski
Originally Posted by HuntnShoot
[Pointing a firearm at people not attacking you is not covered in any "stand your ground" law.


Wrong.

Put down the pipe, man. Meth is bad for you. You can't accost "protesters" with a firearm and be "standing your ground." I don't know how you could possibly see it otherwise, except for the meth you are obviously smoking.


You don't know WTF you're posin about.

Missouri's SYG and Castle Doctrine laws allow a person to use lethal force to defend themselves from a threat wherever they have a right to be.

These people certainly had a right to be on their own property, and the attackers didn't.

So, they had a right to defend themselves against the attackers, up to using lethal force.

If you want to play semantic games like a liberal, "protestors" protest in permitted public areas.

Attackers kick down a gate and come onto people's private property.

This is a dead end for the prosecutor.




It's a dead end for him, too. But he's too fugking stupid to understand that.
Originally Posted by Tarquin
Originally Posted by HuntnShoot
Originally Posted by jdm953
Originally Posted by HuntnShoot
Originally Posted by MontanaMan
Originally Posted by HuntnShoot
It is a felony to brandish firearms. They knew this, I am sure.


So howyasupposed to protect yer house from the mob if'n ya can't handle yer weapon??

MM

Not by running out onto the lawn/driveway with firearms in ready position while said mob passes by on the road. If they step onto your lawn, you can demand they leave. If you see violent intent, according to the laws of your state/city, you may be able to protect yourself with force. The law would see it that way, just as they are. The owners of said gated community would have the right to kick people off the road and out of the community.

Once they broke through the gate onto private property they became trespassers.

Funny how the DA gives no [bleep]....what they did is called brandishing. Look it up. It's a felony. Keep trying to convince yourselves, boys.



It's not a crime if you reasonably feared for your life or property.

Originally Posted by Fubarski
Originally Posted by HuntnShoot
Originally Posted by Fubarski
Originally Posted by HuntnShoot
[Pointing a firearm at people not attacking you is not covered in any "stand your ground" law.


Wrong.

Put down the pipe, man. Meth is bad for you. You can't accost "protesters" with a firearm and be "standing your ground." I don't know how you could possibly see it otherwise, except for the meth you are obviously smoking.


You don't know WTF you're posin about.

Missouri's SYG and Castle Doctrine laws allow a person to use lethal force to defend themselves from a threat wherever they have a right to be.

These people certainly had a right to be on their own property, and the attackers didn't.

So, they had a right to defend themselves against the attackers, up to using lethal force.

If you want to play semantic games like a liberal, "protestors" protest in permitted public areas.

Attackers kick down a gate and come onto people's private property.

This is a dead end for the prosecutor.

Originally Posted by ElkSlayer91
[quote=HuntnShoot]Pointing a firearm at people not attacking you is not covered in any "stand your ground" law.[/quote


Pointing a firearm at people criminals, who have destroyed private property (DESTROYED GATE) to GAIN access to PRIVATE PROPERTY(GATED COMMUNITY) not IS attacking you AND "IS" not covered in any "stand your ground" law.

The group, BLM, have already established a precedent proving out they are criminals from the murders and property destruction they have caused.

With that hard fact established, any citizen in that gated community had a right to brandish arms against a criminal gang once they destroyed property to gain access and stepped across the boundary line of the broken gate, because they would legally be within their right to claim in fear of their life, based on the precedent established and present destruction of property at their doorstep, destroyed gate.

The D.A. doesn't have squat.


How many of that violent, criminal, trespassing mob were arrested? How many of these violent felons that violated the property and safety of that community are now facing charges?

None of you get it. The facts don't matter. There is no law and order, because those who control the narrative control the "facts". According to their narrative, those were protesters, and the couple committed a crime. The DA agrees. So who is right and who is wrong, here? Use your fuucking brains, numbskulls.
I can't even read this whole thread. There are so many f uc king pussies that frequent this site anymore. Brainwashed cuckolds. The state has told y'all what is what for so long that you just freaking obey.

This is way beyond the first step. The first step was when all you pussies agreed that it wasn't right to shoot somebody for stealing. The bottom line on thievery isn't that it's your work so much as what do you do when all you put up is gone? You starve just like anybody else who doesn't have anything. And you get to starve while watching your wife and kids starve too.

Y'all also just worry about waving guns around. Is it better to just shoot into the mob and kill some people? Displaying weapons has stopped a lot of crimes and prevented a lot of deaths. Whoever came up with "brandishing" is a real shixtheel. Should you be able to point your gun at some family on the road that accidentally cuts you off? Hell no, but this is a totally different situation.

I hope these two are punished to the full extent of the law because they are part and parcel of the system that did this and they also purport to support the very ones they were pointing their guns at. Under normal circumstances, with normal people, f u ck the BLM [bleep] whether they were in the yard, in the house, in the street or whatthef u ck ever.

Some of y'all are gonna deserve what is coming your way.
Didn't antifa say the battle field was where ever they are standing?
Originally Posted by Dryfly24
The McCloskeys can go Phugg themselves. They’ve made a fortune by going after decent folk and defending in court the very criminals they were pointing their guns at. A pair of liberal Democrat D-bags that are now feeling the pay back from the very system they want to shove down everyone else’s throat. Had this been you on your lawn instead of them, they’d be the ones filing law suits against you on behalf of the mob. Phugg em a hundred times over...
Rather harsh assessment of the McCloskeys unless you know more than the news reported. Personal injury lawyers are a necessary evil. If not for injury lawyers coal mines and offshore oil companies would be extremely dangerous work places. Drunk drivers could kill and maim. Insurance companies could refuse to pay. Innocent people could be thrown in prison. Lawyers do a lot of good.
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If you want to play semantic games like a liberal member of the jury, "protestors" protest in permitted public areas.
this is just another example of the need to think carefully when a confrontation involves the right to bear arms, happens with frequency. just ask cops who have to make similar decisions, sometimes it is cut and dried OK, others and the cops get hung out to dry
The concept is simple. Rich lawyers living in a house like that.
Someone is seeing big fines and a whole lot of dollar signs.

Otherwise no one would give a hoot about it.
Originally Posted by Kenlguy
The concept is simple. Rich lawyers living in a house like that.
Someone is seeing big fines and a whole lot of dollar signs.

Otherwise no one would give a hoot about it.



Fugg, I don't give a hoot about it.
Originally Posted by HuntnShoot
Originally Posted by ElkSlayer91
Originally Posted by HuntnShoot
Pointing a firearm at people not attacking you is not covered in any "stand your ground" law.



Pointing a firearm at people criminals, who have destroyed private property (DESTROYED GATE) to GAIN access to PRIVATE PROPERTY(GATED COMMUNITY) not IS attacking you AND "IS" not covered in any "stand your ground" law.

The group, BLM, have already established a precedent proving out they are criminals from the murders and property destruction they have caused.

With that hard fact established, any citizen in that gated community had a right to brandish arms against a criminal gang once they destroyed property to gain access and stepped across the boundary line of the broken gate, because they would legally be within their right to claim in fear of their life, based on the precedent established and present destruction of property at their doorstep, destroyed gate.

The D.A. doesn't have squat.


How many of that violent, criminal, trespassing mob were arrested? How many of these violent felons that violated the property and safety of that community are now facing charges?

None of you get it. The facts don't matter. There is no law and order, because those who control the narrative control the "facts". According to their narrative, those were protesters, and the couple committed a crime. The DA agrees. So who is right and who is wrong, here? Use your fuucking brains, numbskulls.


You are clueless. If by chance the DA got a guilty verdict, it would be thrown out on appeal, and if they didn't, the USSC would.
Local Dirt

You don't have to agree. However you are as stupid as the McCloskeys if you cannot understand what is happening in this country.

You clearly do not know the law .

Every gun owner / concealed carry person should know enough to understand the possible laws that can get you in trouble , especially in Dem. cities with

overzealous prosecuters.

The McCloskeys broke the law , not by brandishing , but by pointing the weapons at the mob.

It was not Texas Cowboy!
Originally Posted by ElkSlayer91
Originally Posted by HuntnShoot
Originally Posted by ElkSlayer91
Originally Posted by HuntnShoot
Pointing a firearm at people not attacking you is not covered in any "stand your ground" law.



Pointing a firearm at people criminals, who have destroyed private property (DESTROYED GATE) to GAIN access to PRIVATE PROPERTY(GATED COMMUNITY) not IS attacking you AND "IS" not covered in any "stand your ground" law.

The group, BLM, have already established a precedent proving out they are criminals from the murders and property destruction they have caused.

With that hard fact established, any citizen in that gated community had a right to brandish arms against a criminal gang once they destroyed property to gain access and stepped across the boundary line of the broken gate, because they would legally be within their right to claim in fear of their life, based on the precedent established and present destruction of property at their doorstep, destroyed gate.

The D.A. doesn't have squat.


How many of that violent, criminal, trespassing mob were arrested? How many of these violent felons that violated the property and safety of that community are now facing charges?

None of you get it. The facts don't matter. There is no law and order, because those who control the narrative control the "facts". According to their narrative, those were protesters, and the couple committed a crime. The DA agrees. So who is right and who is wrong, here? Use your fuucking brains, numbskulls.


You are clueless. If by chance the DA got a guilty verdict, it would be thrown out on appeal, and if they didn't, the USSC would.



Answer my question. How many of this violent mob of trespassers is facing charges?

You don't get it. I am not saying that what that couple did was wrong. I am saying that the system of "law" that you all want to seem to uphold is utterly broken. I am simply pointing it out. At the beginning of this thread, I MF'd all those people who support "law abiding" but aren't willing to call this what it is, according to the law. Look at it. The DA is investigating who? The criminals? NO. I didn't invent this BS system of government being the victim of a crime, and I don't subscribe to it. But you all do. And then you all want to bitch when it doesn't go your way, because the subversive media in cooperation with government is steering the narrative. FACTS DON'T MATTER. What matters is what the media tells you, because you keep watching the media.

Call me clueless all you want. It's a compliment coming from the scant intellect you've shown here.
Originally Posted by HuntnShoot
Originally Posted by ElkSlayer91
Originally Posted by HuntnShoot
Originally Posted by ElkSlayer91
Originally Posted by HuntnShoot
Pointing a firearm at people not attacking you is not covered in any "stand your ground" law.



Pointing a firearm at people criminals, who have destroyed private property (DESTROYED GATE) to GAIN access to PRIVATE PROPERTY(GATED COMMUNITY) not IS attacking you AND "IS" not covered in any "stand your ground" law.

The group, BLM, have already established a precedent proving out they are criminals from the murders and property destruction they have caused.

With that hard fact established, any citizen in that gated community had a right to brandish arms against a criminal gang once they destroyed property to gain access and stepped across the boundary line of the broken gate, because they would legally be within their right to claim in fear of their life, based on the precedent established and present destruction of property at their doorstep, destroyed gate.

The D.A. doesn't have squat.


How many of that violent, criminal, trespassing mob were arrested? How many of these violent felons that violated the property and safety of that community are now facing charges?

None of you get it. The facts don't matter. There is no law and order, because those who control the narrative control the "facts". According to their narrative, those were protesters, and the couple committed a crime. The DA agrees. So who is right and who is wrong, here? Use your fuucking brains, numbskulls.


You are clueless. If by chance the DA got a guilty verdict, it would be thrown out on appeal, and if they didn't, the USSC would.



Answer my question. How many of this violent mob of trespassers is facing charges?

You don't get it. I am not saying that what that couple did was wrong. I am saying that the system of "law" that you all want to seem to uphold is utterly broken. I am simply pointing it out. At the beginning of this thread, I MF'd all those people who support "law abiding" but aren't willing to call this what it is, according to the law. Look at it. The DA is investigating who? The criminals? NO. I didn't invent this BS system of government being the victim of a crime, and I don't subscribe to it. But you all do. And then you all want to bitch when it doesn't go your way, because the subversive media in cooperation with government is steering the narrative. FACTS DON'T MATTER. What matters is what the media tells you, because you keep watching the media.

Call me clueless all you want. It's a compliment coming from the scant intellect you've shown here.



It a MO/St. Louis issue, let them deal with it. Worrying about other states got us in the mess thanks to [bleep] Lincoln
Originally Posted by cisco1
The McCloskeys broke the law , not by brandishing , but by pointing the weapons at the mob.

Wrong, they had every right to point guns at the mob criminals..

The "mob" were criminals in the act of committing property damage (destroyed security gate), and any citizen in that community had a right to point at, AND SHOOT, said mob members(criminals) to cease further property damage and stop the threat.

Elkslayer ,

You are too stupid to have a cap pistol.
Originally Posted by ElkSlayer91
Originally Posted by cisco1
The McCloskeys broke the law , not by brandishing , but by pointing the weapons at the mob.

Wrong, they had every right to point guns at the mob criminals..

The "mob" were criminals in the act of committing property damage (destroyed security gate), and any citizen in that community had a right to point at, AND SHOOT, said mob members(criminals) to cease further property damage and stop the threat.

Again, how many of these criminals was apprehended? How many are facing charges? If you imagine this is about St Louis, or about Missouri, you are again wrong. There is a reason why it is all over media everywhere.
Originally Posted by cisco1

Elkslayer ,

You are too stupid to have a cap pistol.

And that is why I have a cap and ball pistol........so I can stop the stupid.
Originally Posted by HuntnShoot
Originally Posted by ElkSlayer91
Originally Posted by cisco1
The McCloskeys broke the law , not by brandishing , but by pointing the weapons at the mob.

Wrong, they had every right to point guns at the mob criminals..

The "mob" were criminals in the act of committing property damage (destroyed security gate), and any citizen in that community had a right to point at, AND SHOOT, said mob members(criminals) to cease further property damage and stop the threat.

Again, how many of these criminals was apprehended? How many are facing charges? If you imagine this is about St Louis, or about Missouri, you are again wrong. There is a reason why it is all over media everywhere.

When you get your azz handed to you, you switch the narrative.

First it was all about the citizens were breaking the law....and you lost that argument.

Now you want to talk about how many criminals were arrested, which this thread is not about. Stay on topic.
Originally Posted by cisco1
Local Dirt

You don't have to agree. However you are as stupid as the McCloskeys if you cannot understand what is happening in this country.

You clearly do not know the law .

Every gun owner / concealed carry person should know enough to understand the possible laws that can get you in trouble , especially in Dem. cities with

overzealous prosecuters.

The McCloskeys broke the law , not by brandishing , but by pointing the weapons at the mob.




No, it is you that does not know the law. LIKE I SAID, I did not see them point their weapons at anyone.

Second, Merely openly posessing a firearm on your own private property IN THE FACE OF GREAT BODILY HARM OR DEATH is not brandishing. You're the one who needs to study up. And, just because the D.A. is some high and mighty lefty bleeder biytch, that does not change the law.

Personally, I don't care for the McCloskeys. But, that does not change the law, either.
We are all Rhodesians now.
Originally Posted by local_dirt
Second, Merely openly posessing a firearm on your own private property IN THE FACE OF GREAT BODILY HARM OR DEATH is not brandishing.

FIFY
Originally Posted by Fubarski
Originally Posted by HuntnShoot
[Pointing a firearm at people not attacking you is not covered in any "stand your ground" law.


Wrong.


Just to throw out some actual law...
This is Montana law. I can’t speak to Missoura

45-3-111. Openly carrying weapon -- display -- exemption. (1) Any person who is not otherwise prohibited from doing so by federal or state law may openly carry a weapon and may communicate to another person the fact that the person has a weapon.
(2) If a person reasonably believes that the person or another person is threatened with bodily harm, the person may warn or threaten the use of force, including deadly force, against the aggressor, including drawing or presenting a weapon.
(3) This section does not limit the authority of the board of regents or other postsecondary institutions to regulate the carrying of weapons, as defined in 45-8-361(5)(b), on their campuses.
Originally Posted by KRAKMT
Originally Posted by Fubarski
Originally Posted by HuntnShoot
[Pointing a firearm at people not attacking you is not covered in any "stand your ground" law.


Wrong.


Just to throw out some actual law...
This is Montana law. I can’t speak to Missoura

45-3-111. Openly carrying weapon -- display -- exemption. (1) Any person who is not otherwise prohibited from doing so by federal or state law may openly carry a weapon and may communicate to another person the fact that the person has a weapon.
(2) If a person reasonably believes that the person or another person is threatened with bodily harm, the person may warn or threaten the use of force, including deadly force, against the aggressor, including drawing or presenting a weapon.
(3) This section does not limit the authority of the board of regents or other postsecondary institutions to regulate the carrying of weapons, as defined in 45-8-361(5)(b), on their campuses.

i like the wording of that
Originally Posted by Birdwatcher
I think what they were really lacking is practice and preparation. Exactly what they would do in that scenario. Not actually sweeping any of the vandals with the muzzle of a weapon would be a start, footwear would have been a plus also.

As it was, I believe that couple protected all the houses in that neighborhood, seeing that would make the vandals think twice.


They were untrained civilians doing what they thought was reasonable to protect their lives and property under the legal guidance of the 2nd Amendment. These points make their case even stronger in my opinion. Nothing is going to stop an over reaction by a local prosecutor except a judge with his or her head screwed on straight.

kwg
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Originally Posted by kwg020
Originally Posted by Birdwatcher
I think what they were really lacking is practice and preparation. Exactly what they would do in that scenario. Not actually sweeping any of the vandals with the muzzle of a weapon would be a start, footwear would have been a plus also.

As it was, I believe that couple protected all the houses in that neighborhood, seeing that would make the vandals think twice.


They were untrained civilians doing what they thought was reasonable to protect their lives and property under the legal guidance of the 2nd Amendment. These points make their case even stronger in my opinion. Nothing is going to stop an over reaction by a local prosecutor except a judge with his or her head screwed on straight.

kwg

What kwg wrote.
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by Dryfly24
The McCloskeys can go Phugg themselves. They’ve made a fortune by going after decent folk and defending in court the very criminals they were pointing their guns at. A pair of liberal Democrat D-bags that are now feeling the pay back from the very system they want to shove down everyone else’s throat. Had this been you on your lawn instead of them, they’d be the ones filing law suits against you on behalf of the mob. Phugg em a hundred times over...
Rather harsh assessment of the McCloskeys unless you know more than the news reported. Personal injury lawyers are a necessary evil. If not for injury lawyers coal mines and offshore oil companies would be extremely dangerous work places. Drunk drivers could kill and maim. Insurance companies could refuse to pay. Innocent people could be thrown in prison. Lawyers do a lot of good.


I heard it from his own mouth in his own words during his many interviews since the incident. Self proclaimed Proud BLM supporter serving the very people protesting against the “systemic injustice“ for years and years. You still think that’s a “harsh assessment“ then that’s your opinion but I’m keeping mine...

Oh and big time democrat supporter and contributors as per someone else. Can’t verify it as I did t see that for myself but I sure as hell don't doubt it in the least.
Originally Posted by Dryfly24
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by Dryfly24
The McCloskeys can go Phugg themselves. They’ve made a fortune by going after decent folk and defending in court the very criminals they were pointing their guns at. A pair of liberal Democrat D-bags that are now feeling the pay back from the very system they want to shove down everyone else’s throat. Had this been you on your lawn instead of them, they’d be the ones filing law suits against you on behalf of the mob. Phugg em a hundred times over...
Rather harsh assessment of the McCloskeys unless you know more than the news reported. Personal injury lawyers are a necessary evil. If not for injury lawyers coal mines and offshore oil companies would be extremely dangerous work places. Drunk drivers could kill and maim. Insurance companies could refuse to pay. Innocent people could be thrown in prison. Lawyers do a lot of good.
I heard it from his own mouth in his own words during his many interviews since the incident. Self proclaimed Proud BLM supporter serving the very people protesting against the systemic injustice for years and years. You still think that’s a “harsh assessment“ then that’s your opinion but I’m keeping mine...
I admit I didn't hear his comments. Seems like he would know not to be making statements to the press or anyone else if involved in a legal controversy. He is a lawyer and should know better.
Karma- - - - -about to get butt-raped by the same judicial system that made him rich enough to live in a gated community in the first place! Mixed emotions- - - - -watching a Greyhound bus full of lawyers going off a 500-foot cliff into the ocean- - - - -with one empty seat!
Originally Posted by Crow hunter
BLM is a communist front organization...


BLM is a money laundering operation. They become active close to the Presidential Election and funnel almost ALL of their contributions to the dimrat party Presidential candidates. They bypass campaign finance laws.
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by Dryfly24
Originally Posted by Hastings
Originally Posted by Dryfly24
The McCloskeys can go Phugg themselves. They’ve made a fortune by going after decent folk and defending in court the very criminals they were pointing their guns at. A pair of liberal Democrat D-bags that are now feeling the pay back from the very system they want to shove down everyone else’s throat. Had this been you on your lawn instead of them, they’d be the ones filing law suits against you on behalf of the mob. Phugg em a hundred times over...
Rather harsh assessment of the McCloskeys unless you know more than the news reported. Personal injury lawyers are a necessary evil. If not for injury lawyers coal mines and offshore oil companies would be extremely dangerous work places. Drunk drivers could kill and maim. Insurance companies could refuse to pay. Innocent people could be thrown in prison. Lawyers do a lot of good.
I heard it from his own mouth in his own words during his many interviews since the incident. Self proclaimed Proud BLM supporter serving the very people protesting against the systemic injustice for years and years. You still think that’s a “harsh assessment“ then that’s your opinion but I’m keeping mine...
I admit I didn't hear his comments. Seems like he would know not to be making statements to the press or anyone else if involved in a legal controversy. He is a lawyer and should know better.


He does, and knows exactly what he’s doing. He thinks he can both play the victim and pander to them by saying “Hey, I’m just one of you. I’ve always been on your side.” Like I said, he’s a slimy liberal D-bag who’s now finding himself on the receiving end. Karma IS a bitch...
Local tyrants are easy to find.
I don't know. Looks like there is plenty of "bottom" for the authorities to get to,judging by the pics. Might be that the gated community was mistaken for a gay community,but the pink shirt might be screaming "I may be pink, but I ain't pussy"

Local dirt & elkslayer,

If you did not see the McClokeys pointing their weapons at the crowd....your eyesight is

as hazy as your knowledge of the law.

Clearly ... you cannot figure it out.

Don't breast feed in public ....girls.
Originally Posted by cisco1

Local dirt & elkslayer,

If you did not see the McClokeys pointing their weapons at the crowd....your eyesight is

as hazy as your knowledge of the law.

Clearly ... you cannot figure it out.

Don't breast feed in public ....girls.





You're seeing things that don't exist.. again.

Good luck with your operation.. on your fugking brain.
Originally Posted by cisco1

Local dirt & elkslayer,

If you did not see the McClokeys pointing their weapons at the crowd....your eyesight is

as hazy as your knowledge of the law.

Clearly ... you cannot figure it out.

Don't breast feed in public ....girls.
You're a fu c king dumbass. First off, you're playing right into the legal system bs that pointing a gun at anybody is automatically some crime. Pointing a gun at somebody implies you're not shooting them. The "crowd" was a group of rioters and terrorists looking for loot and vandalism targets. They have experience with this in St. Louis. They had broken down a gate and were trespassing and were in the McCloskey's yard. Trespassing two ways. Then you want to parse all these finer legal points which never should have been law in the first place.

You wave a gun at some family for supposedly cutting you off in traffic and you probably should get investigated, maybe evaluated and maybe have some charges brought against you. You wave a gun around in your own yard, especially under these circumstances and most folks should get a medal.
Originally Posted by cisco1

Local dirt & elkslayer,

If you did not see the McClokeys pointing their weapons at the crowd....your eyesight is

as hazy as your knowledge of the law.

Clearly ... you cannot figure it out.

Don't breast feed in public ....girls.

The protesters are lucky they did not see muzzle flashes. They are going to pull this KRAP on the wrong person and wind up getting lawfully shot. Hasbeen
Not one single protester set foot on Buffy and Biffs, not one. Buffy and Biff do not own the sidewalk or the street.

Had one of the protesters had a gun they could have legally shot either Buffy or Biff as the painted the crowd with guns neither had a clue how to use.
Originally Posted by EthanEdwards
You wave a gun around in your own yard, especially under these circumstances and most folks should get a medal.


Just imagine how America would have turned out if, during the 19th century, there was an (((ACLU lawyer))) in every injun camp protesting settlers who defended themselves from the depradations and savagery of the red man.
Originally Posted by gonehuntin
Originally Posted by EthanEdwards
You wave a gun around in your own yard, especially under these circumstances and most folks should get a medal.


Just imagine how America would have turned out if, during the 19th century, there was an (((ACLU lawyer))) in every injun camp protesting settlers who defended themselves from the depradations and savagery of the red man.


Seems the natives were the ones protecting THEIR land from the settlers.
Originally Posted by gonehuntin
Originally Posted by EthanEdwards
You wave a gun around in your own yard, especially under these circumstances and most folks should get a medal.


Just imagine how America would have turned out if, during the 19th century, there was an (((ACLU lawyer))) in every injun camp protesting settlers who defended themselves from the depradations and savagery of the red man.

Are you that big of a retard that you can't understand that THEY were the ones defending THEIR property from squatters?
I think we should welcome these lawyers into the fold.
Yes they are libs and said they supported BLM. Easy to do, you are a millionaire watching them burn down some Yankee city, a thousand miles away.
But when the problem arrived at their front door they got an attitude adjustment.

You know this couple has had a big attitude adjustment about how wonderful BLM is. What they did is right and we should welcome them to "the cause."
Better late than never.
Originally Posted by callnum
Not one single protester set foot on Buffy and Biffs, not one. Buffy and Biff do not own the sidewalk or the street.

Had one of the protesters had a gun they could have legally shot either Buffy or Biff as the painted the crowd with guns neither had a clue how to use.




Point# 1:

Gee. Wonder why that is.

Point# 2:

You're completely full of schit.



Liberal Dumbass farm here on the Fire today.

Laughing.
Originally Posted by callnum
Not one single protester set foot on Buffy and Biffs, not one. Buffy and Biff do not own the sidewalk or the street.

Had one of the protesters had a gun they could have legally shot either Buffy or Biff as the painted the crowd with guns neither had a clue how to use.


The sidewalk and street are behind a gate that the mob broke down to gain access to the PRIVATE community. The sidewalk and street are owned by the homeowner's associations in a gated community, at least all that I'm familiar with. The HOA is comprised of members who own property there which means Buffy and Biffs do own the sidewalk and the street and the mob was trespassing on their property.

If a member of the mob had shot either Buffy or Biff they would have done so while already in the commission of another crime which elevates the charges to capital murder in many states, I don't know about Missouri.
Originally Posted by simonkenton7
I think we should welcome these lawyers into the fold.
Yes they are libs and said they supported BLM. Easy to do, you are a millionaire watching them burn down some Yankee city, a thousand miles away.
But when the problem arrived at their front door they got an attitude adjustment.

You know this couple has had a big attitude adjustment about how wonderful BLM is. What they did is right and we should welcome them to "the cause."
Better late than never.


The second he says “I condemn BLM and the democrats who oppose 2A rights and the rights of all free Americans to defend their homes and their property.”, l’ll be more than happy to do that. As little as a few days ago he was still a self proclaimed proud supporter of BLM though so sorry but still no fuggs given...
Originally Posted by Crow hunter
Originally Posted by callnum
Not one single protester set foot on Buffy and Biffs, not one. Buffy and Biff do not own the sidewalk or the street.

Had one of the protesters had a gun they could have legally shot either Buffy or Biff as the painted the crowd with guns neither had a clue how to use.


The sidewalk and street are behind a gate that the mob broke down to gain access to the PRIVATE community. The sidewalk and street are owned by the homeowner's associations in a gated community, at least all that I'm familiar with. The HOA is comprised of members who own property there which means Buffy and Biffs do own the sidewalk and the street and the mob was trespassing on their property.

If a member of the mob had shot either Buffy or Biff they would have done so while already in the commission of another crime which elevates the charges to capital murder in many states, I don't know about Missouri.

I don't think you can say who owns that gated community, nor how it is legally set up. It could be that a separate property management company owns and maintains the community property. No one is pressing charges on the crowd....that's not just incidental. It doesn't matter. I am convinced at this point that the whole thing is a faked hoax. It makes no sense. These "protesters" just bused to a gated community, broke in, and started marching, and then a pair of VERY connected democrat law firm owners run outside looking like clowns brandishing firearms at the crowd while perfectly framed photos are snapped by...whom? Yeah. a hoax. If it looks like schitt and smells like schitt and sticks to your boots like schitt, you are stepping in schitt.
Originally Posted by HuntnShoot
Originally Posted by Crow hunter
Originally Posted by callnum
Not one single protester set foot on Buffy and Biffs, not one. Buffy and Biff do not own the sidewalk or the street.

Had one of the protesters had a gun they could have legally shot either Buffy or Biff as the painted the crowd with guns neither had a clue how to use.


The sidewalk and street are behind a gate that the mob broke down to gain access to the PRIVATE community. The sidewalk and street are owned by the homeowner's associations in a gated community, at least all that I'm familiar with. The HOA is comprised of members who own property there which means Buffy and Biffs do own the sidewalk and the street and the mob was trespassing on their property.

If a member of the mob had shot either Buffy or Biff they would have done so while already in the commission of another crime which elevates the charges to capital murder in many states, I don't know about Missouri.

I don't think you can say who owns that gated community, nor how it is legally set up. It could be that a separate property management company owns and maintains the community property. No one is pressing charges on the crowd....that's not just incidental. It doesn't matter. I am convinced at this point that the whole thing is a faked hoax. It makes no sense. These "protesters" just bused to a gated community, broke in, and started marching, and then a pair of VERY connected democrat law firm owners run outside looking like clowns brandishing firearms at the crowd while perfectly framed photos are snapped by...whom? Yeah. a hoax. If it looks like schitt and smells like schitt and sticks to your boots like schitt, you are stepping in schitt.


Why would anyone do that? Who does it benefit?
Originally Posted by EthanEdwards
I can't even read this whole thread. There are so many f uc king pussies that frequent this site anymore. Brainwashed cuckolds. The state has told y'all what is what for so long that you just freaking obey.

This is way beyond the first step. The first step was when all you pussies agreed that it wasn't right to shoot somebody for stealing. The bottom line on thievery isn't that it's your work so much as what do you do when all you put up is gone? You starve just like anybody else who doesn't have anything. And you get to starve while watching your wife and kids starve too.

Y'all also just worry about waving guns around. Is it better to just shoot into the mob and kill some people? Displaying weapons has stopped a lot of crimes and prevented a lot of deaths. Whoever came up with "brandishing" is a real shixtheel. Should you be able to point your gun at some family on the road that accidentally cuts you off? Hell no, but this is a totally different situation.

... Under normal circumstances, with normal people, f u ck the BLM [bleep] whether they were in the yard, in the house, in the street or whatthef u ck ever.

Some of y'all are gonna deserve what is coming your way.
Well said.
Originally Posted by EthanEdwards
Originally Posted by cisco1

Local dirt & elkslayer,

If you did not see the McClokeys pointing their weapons at the crowd....your eyesight is

as hazy as your knowledge of the law.

Clearly ... you cannot figure it out.

Don't breast feed in public ....girls.
You're a fu c king dumbass. First off, you're playing right into the legal system bs that pointing a gun at anybody is automatically some crime. Pointing a gun at somebody implies you're not shooting them. The "crowd" was a group of rioters and terrorists looking for loot and vandalism targets. They have experience with this in St. Louis. They had broken down a gate and were trespassing and were in the McCloskey's yard. Trespassing two ways. Then you want to parse all these finer legal points which never should have been law in the first place.

You wave a gun at some family for supposedly cutting you off in traffic and you probably should get investigated, maybe evaluated and maybe have some charges brought against you. You wave a gun around in your own yard, especially under these circumstances and most folks should get a medal.

This. Brandishing laws were originally intended only to punish those will criminal intent, such as displaying your gun to scare or intimidate people who had done nothing criminal themselves. When guns are pointed at bad folks, i.e., those with imminent criminal intent, however, brandishing laws were not meant to apply. Since then, however, the antigunners who have taken over our institutions have turned these laws against honest citizens merely exercising their Second Amendment right in order to defend their other basic rights, as intended by the Framers.
Originally Posted by The_Real_Hawkeye
Originally Posted by EthanEdwards
Originally Posted by cisco1

Local dirt & elkslayer,

If you did not see the McClokeys pointing their weapons at the crowd....your eyesight is

as hazy as your knowledge of the law.

Clearly ... you cannot figure it out.

Don't breast feed in public ....girls.
You're a fu c king dumbass. First off, you're playing right into the legal system bs that pointing a gun at anybody is automatically some crime. Pointing a gun at somebody implies you're not shooting them. The "crowd" was a group of rioters and terrorists looking for loot and vandalism targets. They have experience with this in St. Louis. They had broken down a gate and were trespassing and were in the McCloskey's yard. Trespassing two ways. Then you want to parse all these finer legal points which never should have been law in the first place.

You wave a gun at some family for supposedly cutting you off in traffic and you probably should get investigated, maybe evaluated and maybe have some charges brought against you. You wave a gun around in your own yard, especially under these circumstances and most folks should get a medal.

This. Brandishing laws were originally intended only to punish those will criminal intent, such as displaying your gun to scare or intimidate people who had done nothing criminal themselves. When guns are pointed at bad folks, those with criminal intent, brandishing laws were not meant to apply. Since then, however, the antigunners who have taken over our institutions have turned this law against honest citizens merely exercising their Second Amendment right in order to defend their other basic rights, as intended by the Framers.


This ^

Perfect example of anti 2nd A types abusing an otherwise well intended law to suit their own political agenda.
Originally Posted by whackem_stackem
Originally Posted by gonehuntin
Originally Posted by EthanEdwards
You wave a gun around in your own yard, especially under these circumstances and most folks should get a medal.


Just imagine how America would have turned out if, during the 19th century, there was an (((ACLU lawyer))) in every injun camp protesting settlers who defended themselves from the depradations and savagery of the red man.

Are you that big of a retard that you can't understand that THEY were the ones defending THEIR property from squatters?


Manifest destiny.....the injuns should have fought harder. They lost and that's the end of it. Oh, are you willing to give up your house and property to the nearest reservation??? Thought so....

Oh, your avatar is a depiction of White Supremacy and violence against minorities. See how that works???
Looks like Biff and Buffy are going down, and rightfully so.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crim...ns-at-protest/ar-BB16YLNc?ocid=chromentp
The Negro female DA is a political hack, and has filed charges based on politics and BLM. God Help Us.
Simonkenton7: Indeed THIS, is, a travesty of "justice"!
This is an incredibly important issue!
This "prosecution" is nothing but politics run amok!
This is a sad and sorry state of affairs here in the United States of America today!
I don't expect oblivious mental midgets and idiots like buttfubarski, anusbender, small twig, clitnumb and "swollenasshole" charlie to understand the frightful significance of this horrifically anti-American action by an out of control political hack.
I am saddened and frightened by this action on the part of that metro-sexual negress "prosecutor"!
My advice to all traditional valued Americans is secrete some of your guns and lots of ammunition for same.
This is the beginning of the end of America.
And that, again, is a tragedy.
Sad.
Hold into the wind
VarmintGuy
Originally Posted by callnum
Looks like Biff and Buffy are going down, and rightfully so.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crim...ns-at-protest/ar-BB16YLNc?ocid=chromentp


Hardly.

The Missouri governor announced yesterday that he'll pardon them if they're prosecuted.

https://news.yahoo.com/missouri-governor-pardon-couple-pulled-161354503.html
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Originally Posted by Crow hunter
Originally Posted by callnum
Looks like Biff and Buffy are going down, and rightfully so.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crim...ns-at-protest/ar-BB16YLNc?ocid=chromentp


Hardly.

The Missouri governor announced yesterday that he'll pardon them if they're prosecuted.

https://news.yahoo.com/missouri-governor-pardon-couple-pulled-161354503.html



Read’n is hard for some:


Missouri Governor Mike Parson will [u]consider
pardoning a couple who sparked outrage after brandishing guns at racial justice protesters marching past their home should they be charged with a criminal offence.
"Read’n is hard for some:


Missouri Governor Mike Parson will consider Missouri Governor Mike Parson will consider pardoning a couple who sparked outrage after brandishing guns at racial justice protesters marching past their home should they be charged with a criminal offence."

Evidently typing is harder. Sheesh.
Hey drunk old fool do you understand the word “consider”?
Nm
Originally Posted by callnum
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Originally Posted by Crow hunter
Originally Posted by callnum
Looks like Biff and Buffy are going down, and rightfully so.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crim...ns-at-protest/ar-BB16YLNc?ocid=chromentp


Hardly.

The Missouri governor announced yesterday that he'll pardon them if they're prosecuted.

https://news.yahoo.com/missouri-governor-pardon-couple-pulled-161354503.html



Read’n is hard for some:


Missouri Governor Mike Parson will [u]consider
pardoning a couple who sparked outrage after brandishing guns at racial justice protesters marching past their home should they be charged with a criminal offence.


So, you wouldnt pull a gun if some patriots came to burn your hovel down? smile
Originally Posted by callnum
Hey drunk old fool do you understand the word “consider”?


"Missouri Governor Mike Parson will consider pardoning a couple who sparked outrage after brandishing guns at racial justice protesters marching past their home should they be charged with a criminal offence.

The Republican said a pardon is "exactly what would happen" if St Louis couple Mark and Patricia McCloskey face charges for using firearms to defend against what they say were death threats that left them fearing for their lives."

What part of that is hard for you to comprehend?

Sound out the big words, it'll help.
In that same situation as Buffy and Biff I would do the same as all their neighbors. And they are perfectly fine. Biff and Buff, not so much.
Originally Posted by callnum
Hey drunk old fool do you understand the word “consider”?


Are you Suckitmore's sock puppet?
Originally Posted by callnum
Hey drunk old fool do you understand the word “consider”?


Getting old is not for puzzies, I hear. If America is blessed, you wont get there. I think in Nov she will be blessed again, and your really, really old boyfriend wont get in. grin
Originally Posted by Crow hunter
Originally Posted by callnum
Hey drunk old fool do you understand the word “consider”?


"Missouri Governor Mike Parson will consider pardoning a couple who sparked outrage after brandishing guns at racial justice protesters marching past their home should they be charged with a criminal offence.

The Republican said a pardon is "exactly what would happen" if St Louis couple Mark and Patricia McCloskey face charges for using firearms to defend against what they say were death threats that left them fearing for their lives."

What part of that is hard for you to comprehend?

Sound out the big words, it'll help.


Its hard for her to comprehend that in this country they had guns and didnt let his corksucking commie buds come in.
Originally Posted by Skankhunt42
Originally Posted by callnum
Hey drunk old fool do you understand the word “consider”?


Are you Suckitmore's sock puppet?


Naw, she's just a communist idiot with a worn out mangina that's givin' her trouble.

Pizz on her & her ilk.

MM
Lawyers screwing lawyers. I just can't muster a GAF.
Those 2 idiots should have waited until one of the rioters stepped foot on their front porch, and they demanded they back off. If I came out the house with a gun every time someone walked across my grass, I'd have been under the jailhouse by now. Right or wrong, thats simply how it would have played out, here at least.
The attorney is the one that needs arrests for such a stupid move. She is a Soros plant;..!
Originally Posted by kwg020
Originally Posted by Birdwatcher
I think what they were really lacking is practice and preparation. Exactly what they would do in that scenario. Not actually sweeping any of the vandals with the muzzle of a weapon would be a start, footwear would have been a plus also.

As it was, I believe that couple protected all the houses in that neighborhood, seeing that would make the vandals think twice.


They were untrained civilians doing what they thought was reasonable to protect their lives and property under the legal guidance of the 2nd Amendment. These points make their case even stronger in my opinion. Nothing is going to stop an over reaction by a local prosecutor except a judge with his or her head screwed on straight.

kwg
WTH does footwear have to do with any of this? If you are watching TV barefoot, and a mob is breaking your front gate down are you going to stop and put your socks and shoes on before you step out on the porch with your weapon?
I don't agree with the political views of these people, but I wish them luck on this one, the laws of the land are supposed to apply to everyone. I believe they are getting a raw deal and hope they come out on top on this. A win for them is a win for all pro 2nd amendment people matter what you think of them.
The third prong of terrorism directed against white people.

As perpetrated by terrorists within the government.
Originally Posted by montanabadger
I don't agree with the political views of these people, but I wish them luck on this one, the laws of the land are supposed to apply to everyone. I believe they are getting a raw deal and hope they come out on top on this. A win for them is a win for all pro 2nd amendment people matter what you think of them.



I agree.

A very small vindictive azzhole part of me is laughing at the hypocrisy on display by them. But the better part says maybe they'll see the light and proselytize.

Unless it's all a setup from the jump, which cannot be ruled out.
Just a question for the crowd: Is shooting someone for trespassing legal in your state? It isn't here, and I would expect to be charged had I done what those 2 did here. Not commenting on the "morality" of such a law, but it IS the law here.
Originally Posted by PeeDeeRiver
Just a question for the crowd: Is shooting someone for trespassing legal in your state? It isn't here, and I would expect to be charged had I done what those 2 did here. Not commenting on the "morality" of such a law, but it IS the law here.


Here, it is my understanding that deadly force can be used if there is reasonable belief a perpetrator is about to commit an act of arson, burglary, or robbery (among other things). I would think a mob breaking down gates during a time of civil unrest when cities are burning, would probably qualify under any of those three. I VERY highly doubt a KY prosecutor would have filed charges on this.

Sure seems like a political persecution to me...
Originally Posted by PeeDeeRiver
Just a question for the crowd: Is shooting someone for trespassing legal in your state? It isn't here, and I would expect to be charged had I done what those 2 did here. Not commenting on the "morality" of such a law, but it IS the law here.



Did they shoot someone? And was the only violation trespassing?
Would you trust your fate to a jury in this circumstance? I wouldn't, as the situation could be interrupted different ways. A halfass lawyer could easily paint the picture that they were under no real threat at the moment. Personally, I wouldn't feel threatened armed with any of MY ARs, and the crowd passing by 30 yards from the house on my lawn. Had they moved closer, different story, and that is my point. Again, I don't think they were morally wrong, but legally wrong is another thing.
Firearms at the ready, is *why* the crowd was passin by 30 yards from the house.
Originally Posted by PeeDeeRiver
Would you trust your fate to a jury in this circumstance? I wouldn't, as the situation could be interrupted different ways. A halfass lawyer could easily paint the picture that they were under no real threat at the moment. Personally, I wouldn't feel threatened armed with any of MY ARs, and the crowd passing by 30 yards from the house on my lawn. Had they moved closer, different story, and that is my point. Again, I don't think they were morally wrong, but legally wrong is another thing.



I would in my locale, but I get your point.

I bet they walk, unless one of the weapons is prohibited, or one of them is a prohibited possessor.
Originally Posted by callnum
In that same situation as Buffy and Biff I would do the same as all their neighbors. And they are perfectly fine. Biff and Buff, not so much.





Is someone angry because they don't have any year round tan grand kids yet?
Missouri AG filed a brief arguing to dismiss.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/missouri...against-couple-who-pointed-guns-at-crowd
The MOtown Castle Law was passed to prevent this type of terrorism.

Looks like it's going to work as intended.
Originally Posted by PeeDeeRiver
Would you trust your fate to a jury in this circumstance? I wouldn't, as the situation could be interrupted different ways. A halfass lawyer could easily paint the picture that they were under no real threat at the moment. Personally, I wouldn't feel threatened armed with any of MY ARs, and the crowd passing by 30 yards from the house on my lawn. Had they moved closer, different story, and that is my point. Again, I don't think they were morally wrong, but legally wrong is another thing.



You wouldn't have felt threatened by a pissed off mob a hundred feet from your front door a month ago? I would think it would be pretty easy to show the threat was very real.

Put yourselves in the shoes of Attorney McBoomer. You're lounging around in your pink polo shirt and white Dockers, sipping a glass of Chablis in your big-azzed McMansion and watching Portland, New York, and D.C. burn to the ground. All of a sudden the gates to Snootyville Acres are torn down and a fugging mob is a hundred feet from your front lawn jockeys. You really don't think it was reasonable for the couple to fear for their lives or feel their home was threatened?
Originally Posted by callnum
Looks like Biff and Buffy are going down, and rightfully so.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crim...ns-at-protest/ar-BB16YLNc?ocid=chromentp


You can add this to the ever growing list of reasons why Trump will be re-elected and be YOUR president for another 4 years. Winning.... and you know kiddo wink
Originally Posted by auk1124
Originally Posted by PeeDeeRiver
Would you trust your fate to a jury in this circumstance? I wouldn't, as the situation could be interrupted different ways. A halfass lawyer could easily paint the picture that they were under no real threat at the moment. Personally, I wouldn't feel threatened armed with any of MY ARs, and the crowd passing by 30 yards from the house on my lawn. Had they moved closer, different story, and that is my point. Again, I don't think they were morally wrong, but legally wrong is another thing.



You wouldn't have felt threatened by a pissed off mob a hundred feet from your front door a month ago? I would think it would be pretty easy to show the threat was very real.

Put yourselves in the shoes of Attorney McBoomer. You're lounging around in your pink polo shirt and white Dockers, sipping a glass of Chablis in your big-azzed McMansion and watching Portland, New York, and D.C. burn to the ground. All of a sudden the gates to Snootyville Acres are torn down and a fugging mob is a hundred feet from your front lawn jockeys. You really don't think it was reasonable for the couple to fear for their lives or feel their home was threatened?


Its not that I dont, its that a jury of my supposed "peers" might not. I'm a bit embarrassed to post my county's demographics, but a quick glance at SC's demo map should give you an idea. And no, I personally wouldn't feel threatened if they were truly passing by, as it would be a massacre if I opened fire with an AR. Like I said, had they come up on my porch, different story.
Originally Posted by PeeDeeRiver
Its not that I dont, its that a jury of my supposed "peers" might not. I'm a bit embarrassed to post my county's demographics, but a quick glance at SC's demo map should give you an idea. And no, I personally wouldn't feel threatened if they were truly passing by, as it would be a massacre if I opened fire with an AR. Like I said, had they come up on my porch, different story.


This is Missouri.

We got laws against liberals like you.

Stay in your liberal pussy state.

You'll fit right in.
Originally Posted by Fubarski
Firearms at the ready, is *why* the crowd was passin by 30 yards from the house.
EXACTLY....
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