Was wondering the other night, obviously no one will admit it, but what are the chances we got folks on here that have actually killed someone, baring law enforcement/military? Let here it.
šš no like killed someone and got away with it. Bet we got a few
You mean like a $20 hooker stuffed in a mattress after a 48 hour coke bender type murder as opposed to killing someone committing a home invasion? Asking for a friend
I'm sure most don't care to talk about this subject.
It's nothing to brag about.
Iām not expecting answers as stated earlier, just curious what the consensus is. Not saying itās cool or manly, just curious as folks do weird things. Maybe Iāve watched too much first 48.
No, I hope I never have to. I had a couple black bastards stop by here a few years ago, knock a while, tried the door knobs, figured he would try to force the back door open. If he would have came in, he would have found out what 00 buck would do at ten feet. I have a 1100 with a magazine extension on it.
Prob just a matter of statistics and percentages, at some Point. How many active members here vs. whatever the āpercentageā is for that. Never even heard of such a stat, but I bet someone somewhere has figured it at some point. Iād bet thereās at least a couple/few.
Prob just a matter of statistics and percentages, at some Point. How many active members here vs. whatever the āpercentageā is for that. Never even heard of such a stat, but I bet someone somewhere has figured it at some point. Iād bet thereās at least a couple/few.
I never killed anyone but did save 2 different people. The first was pulling a trapped teenager out of a burning car after an accident. I came on the scene and there was 1 person left in a wrecked car and his leg was stuck between the front and back seat. The car slid off the road and struck a utility pole in back of the passenger side door. The door was missing and I could see the kid who must have been in shock just sitting there as the flames were licking up over the door opening from underneath the car. I knew it was now or never and I wasn't going to watch him burn. I climbed into the car and ripped his legs out from between the seats. I pushed him out the back window which had been blown out from the crash and then climbed back out through the door opening. It was winter and I had snow pants on which helped to protect me from being burned. It seemed like I was in the car for a long time but in actuality it was probably less than 20 seconds. Within a few seconds from getting him out the total car was enveloped in flames and black smoke. The second save was also in winter. A person I know fell through thin ice while ice fishing. He had been in for about 5 minutes and had tried to climb out but the ice kept breaking. He was just about to go under and I crawled out on my belly and pushed my fishing sled out to him. He was able to hook his arm over the sled and I crawled back onto thicker ice and pulled a long rope I tied on the sled and slid him out.
I Premeditated and followed threw with Murdering a lot of paper targets at the range using those evil guns. Never shot a person. Came close but never shot anyone.
Was wondering the other night, obviously no one will admit it, but what are the chances we got folks on here that have actually killed someone, baring law enforcement/military? Let here it.
I doubt as you said anyone that killed someone intentionally will open their mouth but there are some seriously stupid fk'n people that might.
There have been several suicide and murder threads, I have known a few murderers, a few too many.
OTOH, you said "killed someone" and that is completely different.
Had a guy in production of a big fab shop, he'd done time for manslaughter, about 7 years. It was one of those pissed off spur of the moment things & he killed a guy. He told me the story.
A hard worker & I even helped pull him out of a machine that had caught his glove & wrapped him up some. He kept his cool & pretty much saved himself. He told me of the events later, as I was the safety officer, & we were able to put better procedures in place.
But a year or so later, after being a good employee for years, he flipped out.. A co worker pushed the wrong button & Mr. Manslaughter chased a co-worker for a while, threatening to kill him with a big hammer. He had to go after that.
Some can keep it together for ever, some for a while. Some have a fuse just lookin to get lit,,,,,,I think.
gunzo; Good afternoon to you sir, thanks for the story from the production shop.
I've had a couple instances at work where after the fact I found out employees had done time for killing someone.
As you say, some folks have a fuse and maybe a broken off switch, you know?
I knew this chap as a friend of a friend sort of thing, well enough that we'd recognize each other and say hello, but not much more. He was a pretty good sized fellow but had a quiet voice and was super polite whenever I'd talked to him.
Anyways buddy always said you didn't want to get this fellow rolling in a scrap because his off switch was broken. He especially had an issue where women were concerned.
Fast forward a couple years out of high school and this fellow sees a guy beating on a woman on the sidewalk.
He stops his car, rolls down the window and suggests the guy stop doing that.
The fellow said - more or less - "Why don't you come over here and make me?"
Buddy got out and beat him to death on the sidewalk then and there.
I want to say he did manslaughter and not much of it at that as he was a model prisoner and the guy he'd killed was a malignant rectal orifice/known to police sort of societal specimen.
I don't believe I've seen him since then, but imagine he'd still be a quiet and polite fellow to me, but admittedly that's a guess.
Anyways, there's as close a story as I'll put onto the ether space for Jud.
The three Sās come to mind. I may or may not have ended a life before, but I have deployed the 3ās a couple of times before. Shoot, Shovel, Shutup.
Considered it a few times and know I could get away with it, but someday I know Iāll have to answer to my maker. Lucky for my wifeās ex who beat the crap out of her before I knew her. A pair of latex gloves and one of those big zip ties for holding the exhaust hose on the clothes dryer and youād have the perfect crime.
gunzo; Good afternoon to you sir, thanks for the story from the production shop.
I've had a couple instances at work where after the fact I found out employees had done time for killing someone.
As you say, some folks have a fuse and maybe a broken off switch, you know?
I knew this chap as a friend of a friend sort of thing, well enough that we'd recognize each other and say hello, but not much more. He was a pretty good sized fellow but had a quiet voice and was super polite whenever I'd talked to him.
Anyways buddy always said you didn't want to get this fellow rolling in a scrap because his off switch was broken. He especially had an issue where women were concerned.
Fast forward a couple years out of high school and this fellow sees a guy beating on a woman on the sidewalk.
He stops his car, rolls down the window and suggests the guy stop doing that.
The fellow said - more or less - "Why don't you come over here and make me?"
Buddy got out and beat him to death on the sidewalk then and there.
I want to say he did manslaughter and not much of it at that as he was a model prisoner and the guy he'd killed was a malignant rectal orifice/known to police sort of societal specimen.
I don't believe I've seen him since then, but imagine he'd still be a quiet and polite fellow to me, but admittedly that's a guess.
Anyways, there's as close a story as I'll put onto the ether space for Jud.
All the best all.
Dwayne
I was interviewing a potential new hire one time, guy was extremely qualified. Towards the end he says, āfull disclosure, I served 5 years on felony charges, but got my life back together sinceā I said, you mind telling me what you were convicted of? Guy says, with completely straight face ā I raped my last bossā. Sits there like a statue for what has to be the most awkward 30 seconds in my lifeā¦. Then busts out laughing and says āIām just kidding, [bleep] you should see your face right now!ā Hired the guy and he kept me laughing for the entire 5 years he worked for me.
Yep. Played by Levon Helm. Drummer for āThe Bandā
Also played Loretta Lynnās father in Coal Miners Daughter which is one of my favorite movies. Also,In the Electric Mist and Fire Down Below as the preacher.
Levon singing āyouāll never again be mineā on āthe lost notebooks of Hank Williams is awesome.
No idea why but Iām a huge fan of his acting and music.
gunzo; Good afternoon to you sir, thanks for the story from the production shop.
I've had a couple instances at work where after the fact I found out employees had done time for killing someone.
As you say, some folks have a fuse and maybe a broken off switch, you know?
I knew this chap as a friend of a friend sort of thing, well enough that we'd recognize each other and say hello, but not much more. He was a pretty good sized fellow but had a quiet voice and was super polite whenever I'd talked to him.
Anyways buddy always said you didn't want to get this fellow rolling in a scrap because his off switch was broken. He especially had an issue where women were concerned.
Fast forward a couple years out of high school and this fellow sees a guy beating on a woman on the sidewalk.
He stops his car, rolls down the window and suggests the guy stop doing that.
The fellow said - more or less - "Why don't you come over here and make me?"
Buddy got out and beat him to death on the sidewalk then and there.
I want to say he did manslaughter and not much of it at that as he was a model prisoner and the guy he'd killed was a malignant rectal orifice/known to police sort of societal specimen.
I don't believe I've seen him since then, but imagine he'd still be a quiet and polite fellow to me, but admittedly that's a guess.
Anyways, there's as close a story as I'll put onto the ether space for Jud.
All the best all.
Dwayne
I was interviewing a potential new hire one time, guy was extremely qualified. Towards the end he says, āfull disclosure, I served 5 years on felony charges, but got my life back together sinceā I said, you mind telling me what you were convicted of? Guy says, with completely straight face ā I raped my last bossā. Sits there like a statue for what has to be the most awkward 30 seconds in my lifeā¦. Then busts out laughing and says āIām just kidding, [bleep] you should see your face right now!ā Hired the guy and he kept me laughing for the entire 5 years he worked for me.
Asked a kid who was interested in my youngest daughter, after he commented on my digger derrick truck, if he knew how many skinny teenage kids one could bury on a back forty if they were stood on their heads in an auger hole. He allowed that he did not, I replied very calmly that I did not either, because I hadnāt finished it yet. Poor bastard didnāt last long. Wise, considering the path he followed after that.
gunzo; Good afternoon to you sir, thanks for the story from the production shop.
I've had a couple instances at work where after the fact I found out employees had done time for killing someone.
As you say, some folks have a fuse and maybe a broken off switch, you know?
I knew this chap as a friend of a friend sort of thing, well enough that we'd recognize each other and say hello, but not much more. He was a pretty good sized fellow but had a quiet voice and was super polite whenever I'd talked to him.
Anyways buddy always said you didn't want to get this fellow rolling in a scrap because his off switch was broken. He especially had an issue where women were concerned.
Fast forward a couple years out of high school and this fellow sees a guy beating on a woman on the sidewalk.
He stops his car, rolls down the window and suggests the guy stop doing that.
The fellow said - more or less - "Why don't you come over here and make me?"
Buddy got out and beat him to death on the sidewalk then and there.
I want to say he did manslaughter and not much of it at that as he was a model prisoner and the guy he'd killed was a malignant rectal orifice/known to police sort of societal specimen.
I don't believe I've seen him since then, but imagine he'd still be a quiet and polite fellow to me, but admittedly that's a guess.
Anyways, there's as close a story as I'll put onto the ether space for Jud.
All the best all.
Dwayne
I was interviewing a potential new hire one time, guy was extremely qualified. Towards the end he says, āfull disclosure, I served 5 years on felony charges, but got my life back together sinceā I said, you mind telling me what you were convicted of? Guy says, with completely straight face ā I raped my last bossā. Sits there like a statue for what has to be the most awkward 30 seconds in my lifeā¦. Then busts out laughing and says āIām just kidding, [bleep] you should see your face right now!ā Hired the guy and he kept me laughing for the entire 5 years he worked for me.
Ha! That's hilarious!
Construction, so interviews pretty much consist of āDo you have a hammer?ā Do you have a drivers license? No? Can your old lady/mom get you here every day? Youāre hired!
I never killed anyone but did save 2 different people. The first was pulling a trapped teenager out of a burning car after an accident. I came on the scene and there was 1 person left in a wrecked car and his leg was stuck between the front and back seat. The car slid off the road and struck a utility pole in back of the passenger side door. The door was missing and I could see the kid who must have been in shock just sitting there as the flames were licking up over the door opening from underneath the car. I knew it was now or never and I wasn't going to watch him burn. I climbed into the car and ripped his legs out from between the seats. I pushed him out the back window which had been blown out from the crash and then climbed back out through the door opening. It was winter and I had snow pants on which helped to protect me from being burned. It seemed like I was in the car for a long time but in actuality it was probably less than 20 seconds. Within a few seconds from getting him out the total car was enveloped in flames and black smoke. The second save was also in winter. A person I know fell through thin ice while ice fishing. He had been in for about 5 minutes and had tried to climb out but the ice kept breaking. He was just about to go under and I crawled out on my belly and pushed my fishing sled out to him. He was able to hook his arm over the sled and I crawled back onto thicker ice and pulled a long rope I tied on the sled and slid him out.
I hunt with an old friend who decades ago had a hunting buddy that suspected his wife was cheating on him. I'm told he couldn't stand it any longer in deer camp. It was eating on him so went home early.
He caught them in bed and after a struggle he shot the dude in the back with his 30-06 as he was running down the street naked. Killed him, blew his shoulder off.
My brother was in the joint for a while for killing a drug dealer at a party. I was adopted so I didnāt know him back then. Clean and sober, great job, owns a house etc now. Heās the poster boy for ājust say no.ā
I hunt with an old friend who decades ago had a hunting buddy that suspected his wife was cheating on him. I'm told he couldn't stand it any longer in deer camp. It was eating on him so went home early.
He caught them in bed and after a struggle he shot the dude in the back with his 30-06 as he was running down the street naked. Killed him, blew his shoulder off.
I hunt with an old friend who decades ago had a hunting buddy that suspected his wife was cheating on him. I'm told he couldn't stand it any longer in deer camp. It was eating on him so went home early.
He caught them in bed and after a struggle he shot the dude in the back with his 30-06 as he was running down the street naked. Killed him, blew his shoulder off.
Campfire stories, eh?
About what would be expected from a 30-06.
A Creedmoor would have blown his body off the shoulder!
Judman: Aren't "murderers" supposed to be in prison? NO statute of limitations on murder nationwide - so if a "murderer" is out and about and has access to a computer (and The CampFire!) then I doubt they would be publicly posting an admission to committing a murder hereon. Hold into the wind VarmintGuy
What if the "Murderer" has been caught, convicted, served his time, and released. He would still be a Murderer but free, with certain limitations that do not affect comment on a public forum, to interact with the public.
One can leave partial fingerprints behind wearing thin blue or semi-clear latex gloves, if one grips something hard enough. It isn't oil residue from your bare hand, but rather the major ridges on your fingers can press hard enough on the inside of the glove to leave traces of impurities on the gloves behind in the ridge pattern. As for those who say the gloves are clean when they come out of the box, they have a fine powder on them so they don't stick together. Also, as soon as you touch something, they have residue on them.
Thin suede leather or medium weight cotton gloves (think of the gloves art dealers and museum curators wear when handling artifacts and statues) can't leave finger ridge marks behind. They can leave DNA behind, so wear latex gloves under them.
Quite a few posters here regularly murder the English language!
Guilty as charged. I have been called out by the Spelling Nazi's more times than I can count. Oh Well, I was not much good in English in school and do not really care what people think about it.
One of my best friends did ten years on a murder 2 beef.
Shootout that he won, what sunk him was the coup de grace round.
Few years ago the prosecutor whom he became friends with told him new evidence had the deceased telling people he was gonna kill my friend. Had that been available at trial he stood a good chance of getting off on self defense. Wtf says I ? Him shooting at you wasnāt enough for self defense.
He was raised a farm boy much like me, you put an animal out of its misery rather than prolong its suffering.
But the jurors felt once heād shot the guy through the lungs he should have called an ambulance rather than administer the head shot that ceased his assailants suffering. š¤·š»āāļø
Neighbor of a good friend in New Mexico shot his then-wifeās lover, served eleven years in jail, says if he had it to do over heād give the guy $50 and wish him good luck.
One of my best friends did ten years on a murder 2 beef.
Shootout that he won, what sunk him was the coup de grace round.
Few years ago the prosecutor whom he became friends with told him new evidence had the deceased telling people he was gonna kill my friend. Had that been available at trial he stood a good chance of getting off on self defense. Wtf says I ? Him shooting at you wasnāt enough for self defense.
He was raised a farm boy much like me, you put an animal out of its misery rather than prolong its suffering.
But the jurors felt once heād shot the guy through the lungs he should have called an ambulance rather than administer the head shot that ceased his assailants suffering. š¤·š»āāļø
4 older guys I grew up around in the neighborhood and looked after my brother and I were involved in an incident where a life was taken. Two of them did time for the killing (murder 2). Four convicted on different charges from the same incident, though only one did the killing (large knife). Two others participated in the beating and 1 didn't take part and actually tried to save the victim by stemming the blood pouring out of many stab wounds in an effort to save the kid. Stabbing was of an Iranian national attending BU who was with a buddy on the street during the Iran hostage crisis ('80, I think) and these local kids thought it their patriotic duty or something to teach these kids a lesson. Poor judgement all around, but in teenage years with a belly full of booze and your friends to impress, well, shyt can happen that will be regretted for a lifetime.
The other, a demented bastard who used to with his brother bully my brother and me, often using fire, set out with a plan to lure a gay guy into taking him for a ride one fine evening with the intent of robbing and killing him. He succeeded on both counts. Ended up with a murder 1 conviction at the age of 17.
Last one was a man 1 who did 7 and change in the state pen for running down his ex GF's current lover with a sedan after beating him badly in a bar fight. He's the guy who I bought my black Kawi GPz 1000 from about ten years ago.
All white on white crime, BTW. Ah, the good old days...
My brother was in the joint for a while for killing a drug dealer at a party. I was adopted so I didnāt know him back then. Clean and sober, great job, owns a house etc now. Heās the poster boy for ājust say no.ā
Shake your Brothers hand and tell him thanks for me.
The first thing you need to know about hiding dead bodies is what dead bodies are like. They stink, they attract flies/mushrooms/other decomposers, decomposition gases make them bloat, and rotting down to the skeleton takes anywhere from a week (hot, humid climates) to several years (cold, arid climates).
The second thing you need to know is how other people ā e.g. law enforcement ā find bodies. They use cadaver dogs (specifically trained to find corpses), evidence (a dockside security camera that recorded someone tossing a body into a river), or plain old sleuthing (noticing freshly turned soil).
The third thing: all the things you shouldnāt do. DO NOT leave the body uncovered, let cameras or recording devices of any sort see you dealing with the body, let eyewitnesses see you with the body, tell people where it is, or keep it in an area familiar to you.
TECHNIQUES
Dissolving in Acid
Dissolving a body in acid seems like a foolproof way to hide a body. After all, there will be nothing left! Thatās not true. If you are using sodium hydroxide ā commonly known as lye and which is technically a base. not an acid ā after a few days the body will be reduced to brownish sludge and brittle bones that will break if you press on them. So then you have to dispose of that mess and scrub/get rid of the container you used to dissolve the body. Lye itself is also dangerous. It is a very caustic and direct contact with it will give you severe chemical burns or blind you if it gets in your eye. Its fumes are also toxic. On the other hand, lye is an inexpensive drain cleaner, which makes it readily available in large quantities and explainable if the police find it in your tub.
Burial
This is the oldest trick in the book. Dig a hole, bury the stiff, and walk away whistling. Nowadays, due to advances in crime-solving techniques, burying a body is a much more difficult process. Firstly, the pit needs to be the right depth. Digging a pit is hard manual labor ā no matter what Supernatural and its perfect rectangular holes make you think ā so the biggest problem most have is digging a grave thatās too shallow. A shallow grave means the soil will erode or the rain will wash it away or some scavenger will dig it up. The pit should be at least 6 ft (2 m) deep. Be sure to scrape some leaf litter or garbage over it to make the newly overturned soil less obvious. Donāt bury the body if you strike water within a few feet or meters of digging. Burying a body in the water table will poison the water and someone will investigate the source. One great trick is burying a body 6 to 10 ft (2-3 m) underneath the body of a large, dead animal like a dog or deer. The cadaver dogs will bark and the police will break out the shovels, find the dead animal, and think the cadaver dog had a false positive.
Burning
Burning bodies stink. They donāt smell like a steak on the barbecue or pork in the oven. They smell disgusting. Read some survivor tales of the Nazi death camps if you donāt believe me. If youāre burning bodies, someone is going to notice. Plus, there will be a giant smoke tower (with BLACK smoke, not the light grey kind that someone will mistake for a bonfire). Burning a body doesnāt even get rid of it. Organs are so full of liquid that they almost never burn completely. Burning a body literally to ashes ā like in cremation ā requires a very powerful crematorium, one that can cook bodies at almost 2000Ā° F (1100Ā° C) for about three hours. The best way of disposing of bodies by burning is to drop them into the middle of a raging wildfire or something.
Wood Chipper
Donāt do it unless you have no connection to the wood chipper, the wood chipperās location, or the wood chipperās owner. The blood splatter will be impossible to erase and ā congratulations ā now you have one thousand tiny bits of corpse to pick up rather than one big one.
Consumption
The last method I have for disposing of dead bodies will be very familiar to anyone who has seen Silence of the Lambs or Hannibal. However, I am not advising that you eat the evidence yourself. Domestic pigs will eat just about anything, including meat. Have starving wolves in your neighborhood? That will do it, too. (Donāt let flies rend the body alone, though. The presence or absence of certain flies and their maggots are powerful tools in determining the time of death.) If you somehow got away with the wood chipper, you could go fishing and use the flesh as chum to lure fish in. Or, I suppose, you could use larger chunks to go shark fishing. (The highly aggressive bull shark is conveniently located in the Mississippi River, Zambezi River, Amazon River and its tributaries, most of Australiaās rivers, the Ganges, and Lake Nicaragua if you canāt get to the ocean. Also, piranhas in the Amazon.) No one is going to look for a body in a mako sharkās belly.
LOCATIONS
Cemetery
This would work rather nicely. A cemetery is full of dead things to begin with. The cadaver dogs would stop at every other plot. The best idea would be to find a freshly-dug grave, dig it up again, pop your body in with the other unfortunate soul, and fill in the hole. That justifies the bare soil and the dead smell the police will find when they come looking.
Water
Bodies fill up with gas when they decompose. This means they will float to the surface of a body of water if not otherwise secured. Tie the body to a cinder block or iron before tossing them into the water. Remember that the police can dredge a body of water they suspect a body of being in. (A dredge is a machine that gathers up sediments and brings them to the surface.) The police can also send divers and place nets at the mouths of rivers and streams to catch any bodies floating past. The easiest way to avoid both is to sink the corpse in the ocean at a depth humans dive to. Anything past the continental shelf should be good, but here is the maximum depth a human diver has achieved (for reference): 1,044 ft (318 m). Anything past any continental shelf would be international waters anyway, and that could hinder or help an official investigation.
Swamp
Swamps stink. They have water. Stuff decomposes there like no oneās business. You might think itās ideal. And, for the most part, swamps are good. Most canāt be dredged (unless the ground is solid or the waterway big enough to support a dredge mounted on a boat) and the water is murky (hindering divers). In tropical locations, the body would decompose quickly. However, DO NOT under any circumstances bury anything you want to disappear in a peat bog. The Tollund Man was killed sometime around the 4th century BC and tossed into a peat bog. When he was found in 1950 AD, he was so well-preserved that the police thought he was a recent murder victim. Say no to peat bogs.
A Cold Place
Seasonally cold (the British Isles, most of northern Europe, New Zealand, the Continental United States = Seeing as seasonal cold weather is sort of a neutral zone ā not too hot, not too cold ā hiding a body in this environment is sort of meh. Itāll decompose quickly in the summer if in a humid climate and freeze in the winter if in a frigid climate. Use the permanently cold or either of the hot place notes, depending on the season.
Permanently cold (Siberia, Alaska, Antarctica, Northern Canada) = look up Ćtzi the Iceman and mummified woolly mammoths dug out of Siberian snow banks. Cold means an absence of flesh-eating organisms, like maggots. Cold also slows or completely stops the bodyās bacteria from decomposition, resulting in a mummified body that could last thousands of years. However, if you did dispose of a corpse in Siberia, I donāt think you would need to worry about anyone finding it. Siberia has a population density of 3 people per square mile ā but really less than that, considering 70% of its people live in cities.
A Hot Place
Hot + humid (like a rainforest) = good. The body will decay faster and have a larger number of organisms feasting on it. The body ā except the bones ā might disappear within a week. If you did stash a body in a rainforest, it would be nigh on impossible to find amongst all that foliage. On the other hand, itāll start to stink very quickly.
Hot + arid (like a desert) = not so good. The heat will mummify the bodies like the pharaohs of Egypt. Burying a body in sand isnāt a good idea, either. Sand erodes faster than soil. Sand dunes themselves move more than three feet each year and they arenāt kind enough to take the body with them.
Yep. Played by Levon Helm. Drummer for āThe Bandā
Also played Loretta Lynnās father in Coal Miners Daughter which is one of my favorite movies. Also,In the Electric Mist and Fire Down Below as the preacher.
Levon singing āyouāll never again be mineā on āthe lost notebooks of Hank Williams is awesome.
No idea why but Iām a huge fan of his acting and music.
Helm portrayed Confederate General John Bell Hood in āInto The Electric Mistā
The one Fort Hood in TX is named for.
He also played a blind Rancher in another good Tommy Lee Jones flic. āThe Three Burials of Melquiades Estradaā
4 older guys I grew up around in the neighborhood and looked after my brother and I were involved in an incident where a life was taken. Two of them did time for the killing (murder 2). Four convicted on different charges from the same incident, though only one did the killing (large knife). Two others participated in the beating and 1 didn't take part and actually tried to save the victim by stemming the blood pouring out of many stab wounds in an effort to save the kid. Stabbing was of an Iranian national attending BU who was with a buddy on the street during the Iran hostage crisis ('80, I think) and these local kids thought it their patriotic duty or something to teach these kids a lesson. Poor judgement all around, but in teenage years with a belly full of booze and your friends to impress, well, shyt can happen that will be regretted for a lifetime.
The other, a demented bastard who used to with his brother bully my brother and me, often using fire, set out with a plan to lure a gay guy into taking him for a ride one fine evening with the intent of robbing and killing him. He succeeded on both counts. Ended up with a murder 1 conviction at the age of 17.
Last one was a man 1 who did 7 and change in the state pen for running down his ex GF's current lover with a sedan after beating him badly in a bar fight. He's the guy who I bought my black Kawi GPz 1000 from about ten years ago.
All white on white crime, BTW. Ah, the good old days...
Judman: Aren't "murderers" supposed to be in prison? NO statute of limitations on murder nationwide - so if a "murderer" is out and about and has access to a computer (and The CampFire!) then I doubt they would be publicly posting an admission to committing a murder hereon. Hold into the wind VarmintGuy
Did you read my whole post dummy?? Jfc use your head for more than a hat rack
4 older guys I grew up around in the neighborhood and looked after my brother and I were involved in an incident where a life was taken. Two of them did time for the killing (murder 2). Four convicted on different charges from the same incident, though only one did the killing (large knife). Two others participated in the beating and 1 didn't take part and actually tried to save the victim by stemming the blood pouring out of many stab wounds in an effort to save the kid. Stabbing was of an Iranian national attending BU who was with a buddy on the street during the Iran hostage crisis ('80, I think) and these local kids thought it their patriotic duty or something to teach these kids a lesson. Poor judgement all around, but in teenage years with a belly full of booze and your friends to impress, well, shyt can happen that will be regretted for a lifetime.
The other, a demented bastard who used to with his brother bully my brother and me, often using fire, set out with a plan to lure a gay guy into taking him for a ride one fine evening with the intent of robbing and killing him. He succeeded on both counts. Ended up with a murder 1 conviction at the age of 17.
Last one was a man 1 who did 7 and change in the state pen for running down his ex GF's current lover with a sedan after beating him badly in a bar fight. He's the guy who I bought my black Kawi GPz 1000 from about ten years ago.
All white on white crime, BTW. Ah, the good old days...
Irishmen?
Italians? (Wait, are the really "white"?)
Interesting worlds some of us lived in in, eh?
Iād be interested to know too. Kamo would have to speak to it. But based on my familiarity with BU area and Lower Allston, it could have been any of the above. Or 1st/2nd gen Polish or Eastern Euro imms. Allston and particularly lower Allston was a real slice of working class American pie, at one point. Always hear about āSouthieā, and Bulger, and The Irish Mob. Lower Allston was a pretty hard place. Def a melting pot, but commonality being - white and worked hard.
BU, in contrast and close by, always having been a place for the Uber privileged foreigners. Leftist privileged [bleep]. Oil and water.
As a member of the unwanted Italian and Irish minorities, I relate to our Japanes/Scots friend.
Ahhh. It still interests me and makes perfect sense. I lived in Allston for a bit in the mid 90ās. Youād easily see a Sheikās son in attendance at BU buzzing around ina Ferrari. And a Slavic plumbers son doing brake stands in a ā70 Cuda. Within a couple blocks of each other. You know whatās gonna happen.
As a member of the unwanted Italian and Irish minorities, I relate to our Japanes/Scots friend.
Ahhh. It still interests me and makes perfect sense. I lived in Allston for a bit in the mid 90ās. Youād easily see a Sheikās son in attendance at BU buzzing around ina Ferrari. And a Slavic plumbers son doing brake stands in a ā70 Cuda. Within a couple blocks of each other. You know whatās gonna happen.
I worked with several murderers when I worked forensic psychology. One of them killed one of our staff members.
Always interesting to here a sociopath tell you how they messed up and killed someone and now their in trouble. Usually zero remorse and just trying to get you to feel sorry for them because they're stuck in the mental hospital now. It's chilling how cold blooded they can be.
Worked with a serial rapist some years ago Young kid, couldn't have been 22- 24 or so Picked out a house with a woman alone and got inside and raped her at knifepoint. They arrested him at work and charged him with like a dozen rapes and he started confessing and there were a few dozen that had never been reported. Busy kid Worked about 4 feet from him every day None of us ever had a clue
Not me, but BC ( before Christ) I smoked dope with several. One, in Texas, 1974, fought with, bludgeoned his dad to death( dad wanted to have him committed) with a 4pd hammer, then cut his genitals off. Never recovered those. He got 99yrs. In Germany, 1973,several guys in the next company (we all hung out after hours, listening to music and smoking Hashish, dropping Acid or snorting Crystal, drinking. They murdered (stabbed/beat) a German dope dealer and stole his dope/money, threw him in a dumpster, then went to meet another dealer out of town ( our training area, woods,) they beat him, drug him behind the car awhile until dead. They got scared, so they gang raped an American girl in town as an "alibi" ( I guess they thought rape was a lesser penalty) they told their Section Chief and they all went "back" to the training area to "see if the guy was really dead" and Polizei was waiting on them. The "very next day" they were sent to Mannheim prison, don't know how long. The innocent but "dragging his feet on calling/reporting crime to Polizei" Section Chief went too! Worked with a few ex-cons who had murdered. So..a "murderer" could be the guy next to you on the train, behind the counter of Bass Pro Shop.
Bout a year ago I saw one of them flashing street signs that said if I went outside without a mask I was killing people. So yeah, I guess I murdered a bunch of people. Over 600,000, if ya believe the govt and the retards.
All of Irish descent. All in all, they got a slap on the wrist. It didn't hurt that Ralph's (Langdon) dad was a cop. Killed a guy and was out in less than 4 years. Things were a little different back then...
BTW. I was wrong in my OP on the subject. It was manslaughter, not murder 2. I was told the real story some years later. There was absolute premeditation and that Iranian kid was offed intentionally. The 'time' they did at the kiddie camp was a joke. They ran the joint and said they had fun until turned loose. Not a lot of justice for the victim or his family on that one, IMO.
Harry, yes on your call RE: lower Allston back in the day. Early 90s you were there? Ever go to Bunratty's? Molly's? Gerlando's? Harper's Ferry? Kinvara? O'Brien's? Our House? Sunset Tap? The Silhouette? Great Scott? If yes, chances are excellent you and I have been drinking in the same bars at the same times...
October 21, 1980 Section: RUN OF PAPER TWO FOUND GUILTY OF ASSAULT IN DEATH OF IRANIAN STUDENT James Hammond Globe Staff
Two Brookline teenagers were found innocent of manslaughter but guilty of assault and battery with a dangerous weapon today in the fatal attack on an Iranian student in Cleveland Circle on May 18, 1979.
A Norfolk Superior Court jury deliberated six hours before returning the verdict in the cases of Peter Mattimoe Jr., 17, and Mark Eliasson, 16.
They were charged with taking part in the assault on Ali Majidi, a 20- year-old engineering student at Boston University, who was stabbed to death while walking home from a movie.
A third Brookline youth, Ralph Langdon Jr., 17, who pleaded guilty to manslaughter in Majidi's death, was sentenced yesterday to detention in a secure Department of Youth Services (DYS) facility until he turns 21.
Today Judge William G. Young directed that Eliasson and Mattimoe be placed in custody of the DYS for evaluation and return to court for sentencing Oct. 30.
He made no recommendation that they be kept in a secure facility, saying that if the DYS thinks the evaluation can be done on an outpatient basis, he had no objection.
In sentencing Langdon, Young also ordered that he serve 20 years in the Massachusetts Correctional Institution at Concord on the manslaughter charge when he is released by DYS.
But the judge said he would consider a motion by Langdon's counsel to revoke that sentence and place Langdon on probation if he stays in the DYS facility until 21 and causes no problems. LINSCO;10/21,12:05 MFEENE;10/22,15 B07980512 ---- Index References ---- News Subject: (Violent Crime (1VI27); Crime (1CR87); Social Issues (1SO05)) Region: (Massachusetts (1MA15); USA (1US73); Americas (1AM92); New England (1NE37); North America (1NO39)) Language: EN Other Indexing: (BOSTON UNIVERSITY; BROOKLINE; DYS; MASSACHUSETTS CORRECTIONAL INSTITUTION; NORFOLK SUPERIOR COURT; YOUTH SERVICES) (Eliasson; Mark Eliasson; Mattimoe; Peter Mattimoe Jr.; Ralph Langdon Jr.; William G. Young; Young) Edition: SEVENTH Word Count: 299
Sometimes you don't know what's going to make a guy snap.
Growing up in a very rural environment most everybody knows everybody. One summer a couple farm girls were run off the road, and raped by a handful of farm workers. After a couple weeks there were no arrests, but the farm workers didn't come back after being out one weekend. They found a truck parked, beer bottles everywhere, but no bodies. Ever. I don't think the sheriff tried to hard to find the missing persons.
I was in the service with a guy who shot his abusive father. Nice guy, but as a young man he did what he thought needed to be done. The courts must have agreed with him, nothing happened to him. I drove him home when he got out, met his mom even.
Was wondering the other night, obviously no one will admit it, but what are the chances we got folks on here that have actually killed someone, baring law enforcement/military? Let here it.
Doctors kill 300,000 Americans every year with bad or unneeded procedures