So how long before you scared old hens let a little girl
Stick you with a needle?

So how long before you scared old hens let a little girl
Stick you with a needle?

So how long before you scared old hens let a little girl
Stick you with a needle?

So how long before you scared old hens let a little girl
Stick you with a needle?

I love how the side of the debate that wants to impose their will on the other side, who want to be left alone, don't even realize that they're fascist, totalitarian pieces of shiit

Lol!
Feeling safe now after your jabs?
Lol

For fugk sakes you queer eat a diick

I love how the side of the debate that wants to impose their will on the other side, who want to be left alone, don't even realize that they're fascist, totalitarian pieces of shiit

I love how the side of the debate that wants to impose their will on the other side, who want to be left alone, don't even realize that they're fascist, totalitarian pieces of shiit

GFY.

Go to Hell jackass.

So how long before you scared old hens let a little girl
Stick you with a needle?

How long before you grow enough of a spine to stand up for what's right????

Deciding about getting vaccinated is comparing one unknown with another.

I got the 3 Pfizer jabs, because I could remember getting 3 polio shots in grade school in 1959.

There was a girl in my class with braces on her legs.

My father had polio in 1930 and had to learn to walk again.

You might say my decision was a stupid thought.... but it was the best I had to go on.

So how long before you scared old hens let a little girl
Stick you with a needle?

Deciding about getting vaccinated is comparing one unknown with another.

I got the 3 Pfizer jabs, because I could remember getting 3 polio shots in grade school in 1959.

There was a girl in my class with braces on her legs.

My father had polio in 1930 and had to learn to walk again.

You might say my decision was a stupid thought.... but it was the best I had to go on.

There was a punk in HS who used to go around school with a straw and needle. The needle had a piece of shoe lace for a flange and propulsion. He would shoot other students from behind and keep walking. He thought it was funny until someone did something that caused him intense pain.

You fûcked him up the ass ?

Now, that we all can believe.

🦫

So how long before you scared old hens let a little girl
Stick you with a needle?

This issue is stupid beyond belief. If the vaccine is good, take it and no-one can hurt you. Then shut up. MYOB

If it's no good, the discussion is over already.

Is that all that's on you Sodomites' warped minds?
How many years did you both spend in prison?

Thats where you will be once they find your computer.


Just like that Judge.

Thats where you will be once they find your computer.


Just like that Judge.

Got the one shot, dont give a schit who gets it and who dont. Just tryin to make it through like everyone else.

So how long before you scared old hens let a little girl
Stick you with a needle?

So how long before you scared old hens let a little girl
Stick you with a needle?

Thats where you will be once they find your computer.


Just like that Judge.

Thats where you will be once they find your computer.


Just like that Judge.

TFF


I'm fond of the epitaph.......

I suffer from a sexually transmitted disease that is ultimately fatal....

It's called

LIFE!




ya!

GWB

Yes, he is, except when around the unjabbed.

You can die any day of the week for any reason.When your time is up its up, shot or no shot.

You can die any day of the week for any reason.When your time is up its up, shot or no shot.

Yep.

Greater odds of getting t-boned by an illegal and dying from it.

Even greater odds of losing your livelihood and ability to care for your family because some communist/socialist can't view life in the same way.

Tis better to get a man made cocktail to treat a man made virus and not question what in the hell is going on. I'm "kneeling" on the anthem of the Covidians and the discrimination they're pushing....

I hear you those Communist/Socialist are some fu*ked up people.

You can die any day of the week for any reason.When your time is up its up, shot or no shot.

There are quick and easier ways to go, then there's 3 weeks or more of Hell...Covid.

Wife had covid. Caught on the day prior to her appointment to get the jab. Very nearly lost her. Side effects come after recovery too. We don't suggest getting it.

For all the millions who do not want the jab.

What do they call millions of antivaxers dead from covid ?

Wife had covid. Caught on the day prior to her appointment to get the jab. Very nearly lost her. Side effects come after recovery too. We don't suggest catching it.

For all the millions who do not want the jab.

What do you call yourselves ?

I call it more cool guns for me

I was gong to get a vax, until they told me I HAD to. Sort of like not wanting an AR until they banned them.

I was gong to get a vax, until they told me I HAD to. Sort of like not wanting an AR until they banned them

I got one because my boss demanded I do it.

She said I had to go share the sofa at night with two of my bird dogs.

Wife recovered, has antibodies. Plenty of protection according to science. She then didn't want the jab. Kinda like "I beat the damned thing I deserve not to have to get the shot",

She was pissed because its obvious that the govt is pushing her to get something she doesn't want or need.

You folded too soon.

Most nights I would rather spend with the dogs than the old woman.

You folded too soon.

Most nights I would rather spend with the dogs than the old woman.

You folded too soon.

Most nights I would rather spend with the dogs than the old woman.

Wife recovered, has antibodies. Plenty of protection according to science. She then didn't want the jab. Kinda like "I beat the damned thing I deserve not to have to get the shot",

She was pissed because its obvious that the govt is pushing her to get something she doesn't want or need.

12% of Americans have now had covid.
00.2% have died.

Hopes for 'Herd Immunity' Fade as Virus Hurtles Toward Becoming Endemic .


Kids have no problem with covid.
Old people have to survive it, somehow.

Thats where you will be once they find your computer.

Just like that Judge.

Deciding about getting vaccinated is comparing one unknown with another.

I got the 3 Pfizer jabs, because I could remember getting 3 polio shots in grade school in 1959.

There was a girl in my class with braces on her legs.

My father had polio in 1930 and had to learn to walk again.

You might say my decision was a stupid thought.... but it was the best I had to go on.

Taking the mark of the beast condemns you to hell. And there is no saving you once you take the mark.

For a vaccine to be FDA approved, scientists must gather enough data through clinical trials in large numbers of volunteers to prove it is safe and effective at protecting people against a disease.

Vaccine experts are warning the federal government against rushing out a coronavirus vaccine before testing has shown it's both safe and effective. Decades of history show why they're right.

FDA signals vaccine could green light early

Their concern that the FDA may be moving too quickly heightened when FDA Commissioner Dr. Steven Hahn told the Financial Times that his agency could consider an emergency use authorization (EUA) for a Covid-19 vaccine before late stage clinical trials are complete if the data show strong enough evidence it would protect people.

READ MORE | FDA commissioner says he would consider resignation if asked to release a coronavirus vaccine too early

The commissioner has the authority to allow unapproved medical products to be used in an emergency when there are no adequate or approved alternatives. An EUA is not the same as full approval and it can be withdrawn.

That's what happened with hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine. The FDA granted an EUA to the drugs -- much praised by President Donald Trump -- on March 28. It subsequently revoked its EUA in June after studies showed they were not effective and could also potentially cause serious heart problems.

Vaccine approval
For a vaccine to be FDA approved, scientists must gather enough data through clinical trials in large numbers of volunteers to prove it is safe and effective at protecting people against a disease. Once the data is collected, FDA advisers usually spend months considering it.

An EUA is much quicker. Only once before has the FDA given a vaccine this lesser standard approval of an EUA, but it was in an unusual circumstance. Soldiers had sued, claiming a mandatory anthrax vaccine made them sick, and a judge put a hold on the program. The Department of Defense asked for an EUA that then overrode the court ruling in 2005, so it could continue vaccinating military personnel -- this time on a voluntary basis.

Otherwise, vaccines have had to go through the entire clinical trial process and FDA approval process, which can take months or years.

When the vaccine making process has been rushed, there have been bad outcomes.

The Cutter incident
On April 12, 1955 the government announced the first vaccine to protect kids against polio. Within days, labs had made thousands of lots of the vaccine. Batches made by one company, Cutter Labs, accidentally contained live polio virus and it caused an outbreak.

More than 200,000 children got the polio vaccine, but within days the government had to abandon the program.

"Forty thousand kids got polio. Some had low levels, a couple hundred were left with paralysis, and about 10 died," said Dr. Howard Markel, a pediatrician, distinguished professor, and director of the Center for the History of Medicine at the University of Michigan. The government suspended the vaccination program until it could determine what went wrong.

Monkey trouble
However, increased oversight failed to discover another problem with the polio vaccine.

From 1955 to 1963, between 10% and 30% of polio vaccines were contaminated with simian virus 40 (SV40).

"The way they would grow the virus was on monkey tissues. These rhesus macaques were imported from India, tens of thousands of them," medical anthropologist S. Lochlann Jain said. "They were gang caged and in those conditions, the ones that didn't die on the journey, many got sick, and the viruses spread quickly," added Jain, who taught a history of vaccines course at Stanford and is working on a publication about the incident. Scientists wrongly thought the formaldehyde they used would kill the virus. "It was being transferred to millions of Americans," Jain said.

"Many believe this issue wasn't adequately pursued," Jain said. Some studies showed a possible link between the virus and cancer. The US Centers for Disease Control website, however, said most studies are "reassuring" and find no link.

No current vaccines contain SV40 virus, the CDC says, and there's no evidence the contamination harmed anyone.

The epidemic that never was
In 1976, scientists predicted a pandemic of a new strain of influenza called swine flu. More than 40 years later, some historians call it "flu epidemic that never was."

"President Ford was basically told by his advisers, that look, we have a pandemic flu coming called swine flu that may be as bad as Spanish flu," said Michael Kinch, a professor of radiation oncology in the school of medicine at Washington University in St. Louis. His latest book, "Between Hope and Fear," explores the history of vaccines.

"Ford was being cajoled to put forward a vaccine that was hastily put together. When you have a brand new strain situation like that, they had to do it on the fly," Kinch said.

Ford made the decision to make the immunization compulsory.

The government launched the program in about seven months and 40 million people got vaccinated against swine flu, according to the CDC. That vaccination campaign was later linked to cases of a neurological disorder called Guillain-Barre syndrome, which can develop after an infection or, rarely, after vaccination with a live vaccine.

"Unfortunately, due to that vaccine, and the fact that it was done so hastily, there were a few hundred cases of Guillain-Barre, although it's not definitive that they were linked," Kinch said.

The CDC said the increased risk was about 1 additional case of Gullain-Barre for every 100,000 people who got the swine flu vaccine. Due to this small association, the government stopped the program to investigate.

"It was kind of a fiasco," Markel said. "The good news is that there never was an epidemic of swine flu. So we were safe, but that shows you what could happen."

Growing distrust in the US
It took several incidents for people to start distrusting vaccines. Even after thousands of kids got sick from the first polio vaccine in 1955, when the program restarted, parents made sure their children got vaccinated. They had clear memories of epidemics that paralyzed between 13,000 and 20,000 children every year. Some were so profoundly paralyzed that they could not even breathe easily on their own, and relied on machines called iron lungs to help them breathe.

"Parents were pushing their kids to get to the head of the line to get the polio vaccine, because they had seen epidemics every summer for years, and saw kids in iron lungs and they were terrified," Markel said.

Markel said people's attitudes started to change between 1955 and the problematic 1976 swine flu vaccination project.

"You've got civil rights, when people see the cops beating the hell out of people on TV. You've got the Vietnam War where people start to get disgusted with the killing. You've got Watergate when the president is literally lying through his teeth," Markel said. "That led to a real distrust of authorities and federal government, and it extended to doctors and scientists. And, that's only progressed as time has gone along."

A 'colossally stupid' move
Markel said people's mistrust of the system makes the idea that the FDA would rush this process before late stage clinical trials are complete "colossally stupid."

"This is one of the most ridiculous things I've heard this administration say," Markel said. "All it takes is one bad side effect to basically botch a vaccine program that we desperately need against this virus. It's a prescription for disaster."

FDA Commissioner Hahn said that the vaccine decision will be based on data, not politics, but Kinch shares Markel's concern.

"This could do substantial damage," Kinch said. Kinch, who is a patient in one of the vaccine trials himself, said the clinical trial process needs to be followed to the end. A too-early EUA for a vaccine could cause a "nightmare scenario," for a few reasons.

One, the vaccine may not be safe. Two, if it is not safe, people will lose faith in vaccines. Three, if a vaccine doesn't offer complete protection, people will have a false sense of security and increase their risk. Four, if a substandard vaccine gets an EUA, a better vaccine may never get approval, because people would be reluctant to enroll in trials and risk getting a placebo instead of a vaccine.

"People are going to die unnecessarily if we take chances with this," Kinch said. "We've got to get this right."

Do you have any idea what was just jabbed into yourself? And it’s a “forever” deal. You just asked the govment to change your DNA. Wow. Good luck.

RNA is not DNA, and so far as I am aware the change is not permanent...which is the issue.


But hey...the sky is falling...etc.

You fûcked him up the ass ?

Now, that we all can believe.

🦫

Well, good luck. We can chat about this a couple of years from now. Odd how somebody will research the crap out of the next vehicle there going to buy, yet will allow the Government to jab you with something that you have no idea what’s in it.

It will be interesting how this conversation and the statistics unfolds in 2-3 years. The alternative Medicine users, anti Vaccers vs the I followed the science and got the vaccine.

I was gong to get a vax, until they told me I HAD to. Sort of like not wanting an AR until they banned them.

The "vaccine" created the new strains. Had we just ridden in out, it would have been over by last fall already.

The best proof there is that the shot is not about what's good for you or society. There's an agenda around it they're not talking about.

When I talk to my family members who are doctors, my friend who are doctors and my personal doctor, and they recommend the vaccine, what's their agenda?

So how long before you scared old hens let a little girl
Stick you with a needle?

hows he supposed to know?....they are not talking about it.......bob

That lack of reliable evidence is why I am currently holding off...I basically do not trust the money grubbing bastards.

Dad and his wife both became very sick about 3 weeks ago, Dad first. Two tests negative for Covid, then she became ill, after about 8 days they got her to a hospital, positive for covid, too late for the ivermectin, covid pnemonia, IV-antibiotics, oxygen, came close to being on a ventilator...........

Shortly after SHE tested positive, Dad was prescribed Ivermectin and doxycyclo-something, he had minor symptoms, he tested positive for covid, and seems to be doing OK, here he is still 'HOT' with the covid, 2 weeks shy of 93 .

SHE is still in the bed, in hospital, day 8, doing much better...........

Neither vaxxed.....

getting, or not getting the 'rona seems to be a crap shoot. I am not convinced that going along with the official narrative is any better than just ignoring the narrative. Don't forget, the folks telling you that you have to get vaccinated are the same folks that have lied to us about the 'rona from day one. When it takes censorship, threats, force and going medieval on the law to force people to comply, it's probably not the best for us.

I wonder who is this chief denier the OP is referring too?

Yeah, that's a bit to Q for me, but let's roll with it. If there was a truly nefarious agenda among the doctors, why have all of them taken the vaccine?

Don't get me wrong, there is most assuredly a tangential political agenda. The left would love to wield more control over everyone, and they'd particularly love to beat the right into submission to notch a win. There are plenty of right leaning doctors who recommend the vaccine.

I wondered that too. He mentioned two. Ethan died and his wife is in ICU. Surely he's not low enough to use them as the topic of the thread?

All of them have taken it?

Maybe politicians (including Fauci) should step away from the mic and let doctors and scientists deliver a non partisan message. The fact that fauci knows he’s lost all credibility and doing more harm than good for the message now, speaks volumes. It’s all about power and politics.
Fugkin sickening what we’ve allowed the politicians, from both sides, to do to this country. Everyone needs to turn off the 24hr news cycle, disconnect from politics and concentrate on their families and locales for awhile. All our problems start with the person in the mirror.

Apparently there is something I’m missing about this vaccine . Vaccinated people can still contract Covid . Vaccinated people can still transmit Covid . Vaccinated people can still die from Covid . Why would someone who has chosen to take the vaccine care if the next person is vaccinated or not ? I mean no disrespect to anyone but I really would like for someone who really knows what they are talking about to explain the logic of trying to force this so called “vaccine” on anyone who doesn’t want it

getting, or not getting the 'rona seems to be a crap shoot. I am not convinced that going along with the official narrative is any better than just ignoring the narrative. Don't forget, the folks telling you that you have to get vaccinated are the same folks that have lied to us about the 'rona from day one. When it takes censorship, threats, force and going medieval on the law to force people to comply, it's probably not the best for us.

When I talk to my family members who are doctors, my friend who are doctors and my personal doctor, and they recommend the vaccine, what's their agenda?

Only my daughter who is an RN hasn't taken it. You and I see eye to eye on Fauci. He rates near the top of the list of those to whom I'd like to give a Cleveland Steamer. He's a political hack and has done irreparable harm to this country.

Apparently there is something I’m missing about this vaccine . Vaccinated people can still contract Covid . Vaccinated people can still transmit Covid . Vaccinated people can still die from Covid . Why would someone who has chosen to take the vaccine care if the next person is vaccinated or not ? I mean no disrespect to anyone but I really would like for someone who really knows what they are talking about to explain the logic of trying to force this so called “vaccine” on anyone who doesn’t want it

This whole fuucking thing is just too bizarre. Some folks get it and don’t get very sick (like me). For myself, West Nile was worse.

Others that get sick, get extremely ill or die. When they get gravely ill, it almost always seems there is some underlying health condition that is magnified. It’s like the virus is targeting exploiting weaknesses.

I am shocked that it didn’t kill both of my parents back in January. Although mom did pass in February from cancer.

For me, I don’t trust the government or its minions.

They are the dupes.

Have quite a few friends who are docs and in private most have lots of reservations but don’t want any more trouble for the last 5-10 years of their careers. Obamacare has caused enough damage. Longer hours, lower pay, treated like [bleep] by the corporate owners of the industrial medical complex. Most recommend against taking that career path now.

When I talk to my family members who are doctors, my friend who are doctors and my personal doctor, and they recommend the vaccine, what's their agenda?

When I talk to my family members who are doctors, my friend who are doctors and my personal doctor, and they recommend the vaccine, what's their agenda?

I don't think most doctors have an agenda but then again most doctors are not being told the truth just as we are not being told the truth.

I believe most of the docs are going by what the CDC says as are most publications that doctors use. When this so called "Pandemic" started a fireman I work with was adamant about going by what the CDC said, now he says you can't believe anything the CDC says.

You have to admit there has been a lot of deceit and desperation on the part of the vaccine.

The simple, logical and accurate answer is that they have done a risk/gain analysis and arrived at the conclusion that there is more to gain from it than there are potential risks.

More doctors also identified themselves as Democrats in 2016––35%––compared to 27% who said they were Republicans and 36% who were independents.

https://healthexec.com/topics/leadership-workforce/doctors-are-more-likely-be-democrats

Yet 96% of doctors have been fully vaccinated.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/judyst...ershow-can-we-do-better/?sh=2906e12d589e

Don't be a disingenuous douche.

Most providers were directed to be vaccinated by their employers.

In the last month or so with the new variety of covid does anybody know the percentage of dead who were already vaccinated. Not getting it but actually dying from it. Edk

Paul,

I've repeatedly said that the biggest loss in this thing is knowledge.

We have fantastic data from 1918.
Dispute the rudimentary medical knowledge, and the lack of
communication and data compilation technology.

Back then it was every working on their own, writing or typing data.
Which was mostly compiled by observation.
Communication was telegraph or mail.

Today we have microscopes to look at the virus for testing,
scientists world wide communicating A/V real time.

Computers taking raw data and spitting out charts to make sense of it.

And a huge part of it is worthless.
It's not data compiled to issue facts to learn a story.
It's data arranged to support a story.

In 100 years we will all be dead. Personal knowledge of this, gone.

And if they need to dig up how to deal with an epidemic?

They will soon realize that the best knowledge comes from....1918.

Anybody that feels secure in what we've been told to do concerning
this virus is a funking idiot.


A buddy's doctor, wearing his mask over his chin, looks at Dean.

"You got your shot?"

"No"

He pulled the mask up.

Analize that.

A scientist interacting with a patient.
If Dean had the shots, he can get and transmit the virus.
The doc has had the shot. Can get/transmit. But "feels" safe.

So on exposure to a patient that didn't get a shot, that doesn't
change the dynamic of the situation, he pulls on a device that
we know does NOT prevent infection.

Yeah, there is a reason people have lost faith in Docs!

Don't be a disingenuous douche.

Most providers were directed to be vaccinated by their employers.

I've had two, an' I ain't dead yet.

No.

And if somebody says they do, they’re lying to you.

This^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Have you considered the possibility that the deniers are the medical community?

No, i think not.

I think you are a low IQ corcksucking lieberal POS twat.

When I talk to my family members who are doctors, my friend who are doctors and my personal doctor, and they recommend the vaccine, what's their agenda?

So how long before you scared old hens let a little girl
Stick you with a needle?

I've had two, an' I ain't dead yet.

Yeah, that's a bit to Q for me, but let's roll with it. If there was a truly nefarious agenda among the doctors, why have all of them taken the vaccine?

Don't get me wrong, there is most assuredly a tangential political agenda. The left would love to wield more control over everyone, and they'd particularly love to beat the right into submission to notch a win. There are plenty of right leaning doctors who recommend the vaccine.

Doctors are groupthink zombies today If you speak out, you're cancelled and lose your career or you open yourself up to litigation. So they toe the party line and chant in unison.

There are a lot of doctors and researches who question the mass vaccination push, but they will not openly speak out against it.

Thats where you will be once they find your computer.


Just like that Judge.

Dad was prescribed Ivermectin and doxycyclo-something, he had minor symptoms, .

Monoclonal antibodies and Ivermectin is how Joe Rogan and Trump were treated.

I love how the side of the debate that wants to impose their will on the other side, who want to be left alone, don't even realize that they're fascist, totalitarian pieces of shiit

The US federal govt has lost almost all credibility, trust and any confidence we had left in it. I’m not sure what purpose it even serves any longer? It serves only itself.

That’s for damn sure.

All our problems start with the person in the mirror.

I believe you're mistaken

Yep. I agree. Each of us have likely done more to undermine our own success and progress and health and happiness than has anyone else...including politicians...or anything else.

Life is what you make of it. Get out of it exactly what you put into it.

Of course he is. He’s a liberal socialist scum

I couldn't agree more. Anyone who doubts that, go work for a Fortune 500 company in corporate America and you'll see first hand group think on a scale you didn't think was possible. Most of those companies are one step away from shaved heads and living like the Branch Davidian.

Doctors, despite what clowns like docrocket will tell you, are just highly trained corporate stooges. And even if a doc did disagree with the status quo, the industry keeps you in line or tosses you out. Don't buy for a minute that these people are independent, critical thinkers. They are not.

EE and Deerstalker.

Don't be a disingenuous douche.

Most providers were directed to be vaccinated by their employers.

In the early stages of the Scamdemic I heard rumors of a deputy being disciplined for the manner in which he spoke about one of his peers dying from COVID.

In an effort to suppress panic, he implied Corona was not what killed the deputy in question and that his shift (he was a Sgt.) should not get too spun up about it.

Everybody was aghast over this, to the point it made the local news. But the real story was that even though the deputy that had passed was relatively young, and seemed quite healthy, he was in fact a known butt-fugker and had AIDS.

So whenever you hear about somebody dying from Bologna, take it with a grain of salt. Most doctors today are dumb asses and usually have an agenda to boot.

In the grand scheme of things lightning strikes are far more concerning than The Bologna virus.

They are absolutely NOT independent critical thinkers. The saddest part of it all is they are killing a lot of people. The responses you get when you challenge them and their groupthink are astounding.

More doctors also identified themselves as Democrats in 2016––35%––compared to 27% who said they were Republicans and 36% who were independents.

https://healthexec.com/topics/leadership-workforce/doctors-are-more-likely-be-democrats

Yet 96% of doctors have been fully vaccinated.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/judyst...ershow-can-we-do-better/?sh=2906e12d589e

I couldn't agree more. Anyone who doubts that, go work for a Fortune 500 company in corporate America and you'll see first hand group think on a scale you didn't think was possible. Most of those companies are one step away from shaved heads and living like the Branch Davidian.

Doctors, despite what clowns like docrocket will tell you, are just highly trained corporate stooges. And even if a doc did disagree with the status quo, the industry keeps you in line or tosses you out. Don't buy for a minute that these people are independent, critical thinkers. They are not.

That doesn't mean I am living in fear. It means I am taking informed measures to minimize my chances of getting it...risk vs gain.

I've been wondering if there could be complications develop in the medical license renewal process for doctors who don't promote the jab. Anybody else who contradicts the official .gov position gets to look at the undercarriage of the bus as it rolls over them. There is big money and influence involved here.

Not unlike the pressure put on legislators who didn't proclaim Biden won a free and fair election and that Trump was the one trying to steal the election.

When I talk to my family members who are doctors, my friend who are doctors and my personal doctor, and they recommend the vaccine, what's their agenda?

I have no doubt that the doctors operate under some institutional pressures. Most occupations do to some degree. Even if you accept that all of the 35% of the doctors who are democrats willingly buy in, wouldn't more than 4% of the Republicans and independents push back or resist if they thought the jab did more harm than good?

https://www.theabfm.org/about/commu...-family-medicine-american-board-internal

Medical boards are threatening doctors with loss of license if they don't promote the "vaccine".
Link

. . . any mandate must acknowledge that the burden of proof rests with those issuing, following, and enforcing the mandate. In particular, governments and administrations must provide fully documented proof of the following—keeping in mind that widely spread fear is not proof of any emergency other than a psychological one:

(1.) That there is indeed a current public health emergency, as an objective and verifiable medical fact, and not as an artifact of government decrees. The greatest number of hospitalizations and deaths occurred during the so-called “first wave” of March-May, 2020.There has been no repetition of those numbers since then. Even then, we are basing this on assumptions: we assume that people were infected with Covid-19, using flawed testing at a time when the virus had not been isolated, and when the amplification cycles were too high—and we did not follow WHO guidelines that advised against relying exclusively on PCR tests in making any clinical diagnosis. Thus we do not yet know the exact size and nature of even the “first wave,” the worst and arguably the only real wave we had.

(2.) That infection is spread only by the non-vaccinated. We now know definitively that the advertised “vaccines" do not protect the injected from infection, nor do they stop them from spreading the virus, or even falling sick and dying from the virus. If the fully vaccinated can—and do—spread the virus, then any requirement for frequent and rapid testing must equally apply to them. Failure to do so is proof of discrimination on the basis of health characteristics.

(3.) That by advertising the need for vaccination, that the population is not being misled about the real protection such injectable products afford. Countries such as Israel, which vaccinated more fully and more quickly than others, are now witnessing a situation where the overwhelming majority of the infected are the fully vaccinated. In both Israel and the UK in recent weeks, the fully vaccinated account for the majority of Covid deaths. Without even speaking of death, which is extremely rare for anyone exposed to Covid—vaccinated or not—in both Europe and the US there are now several hundred thousand cases of serious adverse reactions. Universally it is acknowledged—even by the manufacturers themselves—that the effectiveness of these injectable products is declining to the point where any protection they might have offered increasingly drops to insignificant levels.

(4.) That “cases” are a measure of anything significant. The term “cases” has been abused and distorted: anyone deemed to test positive for Covid-19, has been categorized as a “case”. This is despite the fact that they may have had no symptoms, or if they had symptoms they were mild and required no treatment. Typically a real case involves someone needing treatment as a patient, usually in a clinic or hospital. Therefore it needs to be proven that a rising number of so-called “cases” is any reason for extraordinary measures, especially when hospitalizations and deaths are but a tiny fraction of what they were during the first wave.

(5.) That natural immunity is not real and does not matter. Nowhere in these mandates is there any language concerning natural immunity—natural immunity is assumed to not exist, or is assumed to be irrelevant. If those issuing, complying with, or enforcing such mandatory vaccination cannot address this scientific point, then the credibility of their entire argument collapses. On that basis alone, non-compliance would be fully justified and warranted.

(6.) That healthy people can be assumed to be bearers of sickness. These workplace vaccine mandates all assume that healthy, even young and healthy people, who are not vaccinated are a “problem”. The healthy are assumed immediately and in advance to not only being actual or potential bearers of infection, but also being the sole bearers of infection, and of being solely infectious. Show the scientific support for this argument, and show it overcoming contrary scientific research.

(7.) That the so-called “Delta variant” is in fact “more dangerous”. Being more contagious does not equal more danger of sickness and death, as attested to by published government data. Show the scientific proof for the fact that the Delta variant is a significant variation, not just one that varies by 0.3% of characteristics compared to the original Covid-19. Show the data that proves beyond a doubt that it causes more hospitalizations and deaths than the original Covid-19 ever did. Without this proof, the rationale for such mandates is null and void.

(8.) That “herd immunity” can only be achieved with vaccination of 100% of a population. In particular, show the scientific support for achieving such immunity by using injectable products that confer no immunity at all. In addition, show the scientific support for the idea that herd immunity discounts natural immunity—see point #5 above.

If there is little or no scientific support for these positions, then there is no rational justification that warrants a mandate issued on medical grounds, in the name of safeguarding public health.

If what remains is merely fear of danger, then in certain instances such fear of danger may in itself be a call for urgent psychological therapy or even psychiatric treatment. This is especially the case where fear is sustained in the absence of evidence . . .

I have no doubt that the doctors operate under some institutional pressures. Most occupations do to some degree. Even if you accept that all of the 35% of the doctors who are democrats willingly buy in, wouldn't more than 4% of the Republicans and independents push back or resist if they thought the jab did more harm than good?

I have no doubt that the doctors operate under some institutional pressures. Most occupations do to some degree. Even if you accept that all of the 35% of the doctors who are democrats willingly buy in, wouldn't more than 4% of the Republicans and independents push back or resist if they thought the jab did more harm than good?

I'd bet the reason he "used" to be Catholic is because they caught him doing the priest/little boy communion.

I couldn't agree more. Anyone who doubts that, go work for a Fortune 500 company in corporate America and you'll see first hand group think on a scale you didn't think was possible. Most of those companies are one step away from shaved heads and living like the Branch Davidian.

Doctors, despite what clowns like docrocket will tell you, are just highly trained corporate stooges. Don't buy for a minute that these people are independent, critical thinkers. They are not.

There is a huge gulf between spreading misinformation and promoting the vaccine. Many of the doctors who have taken the jab, be it compulsory or not, have fugk you money. This is not to say that there aren't sheep in the medical field.

Well, you and 'flave be sure to ask the ambulance to drop you off at Tractor Supply, rather than the hospital, if you ever have a heart attack. Because stooges and their modern medicines are no match for good ole boys and livestock drugs.

When I talk to my family members who are doctors, my friend who are doctors and my personal doctor, and they recommend the vaccine, what's their agenda?

The chemical formulation known as Ivermectin didn't win a Nobel Prize in medicine for being a livestock drug. Like antibiotics, it was first hailed as a miracle drug for use in human beings, and then, naturally, was also used widely in animals, since most drugs that are effective in human beings quickly also get picked up by veterinary medicine. I suspect there's a motive behind your insistence in referring to it as a livestock drug. It is no more that than is, e.g., Prednisone or Penicillin, both of which, like Ivermectin, are used extensively in both livestock and human medicine.

The chemical formulation known as Ivermectin didn't win a Nobel Prize in medicine for being a livestock drug. Like antibiotics, it was first hailed as a miracle drug for use in human beings, and then, naturally, was also used widely in animals, since most drugs that are effective in human beings quickly also get picked up by veterinary medicine. I suspect there's a motive behind your insistence in referring to it as a livestock drug. It is no more that than is, e.g., Prednisone or Penicillin, both of which, like Ivermectin, are used extensively in both livestock and human medicine.

CDC, WHO, and virtually every regulatory is pushing vax, multiple vax, booster vax.

Any medical opinion contrary to that is considered mis and dis, information.

At the physician’ risk to board certification and licensure.


Why the dogma?

...and advocate strongly for yourself.

The medical community is having credibility problems because they deserve it just like .gov

Given some of the comments above about the lack of will for independent thought among doctors and the "institutional pressure" placed on them by their employers it's not far fetched to think they would say what was necessary to preserve their careers regardless of what their personal inclinations toward the jab might be.

I think it remains remarkable that there is still practically no promotion of immune system health more than a year and a half of this disease. The universal recommendation is wear a mask and get the jab. And don't you dare take ivermection or hydroxychloroquin!

I think it would be interesting to see how many doctors have a good supply of each in their own personal stash...

The medical community is having credibility problems because they deserve it just like .gov

96% sounds like an awfully high number to be brow beaten into submission.

Hell, how many here are summarily dismissing their own doctor's advice with things such as heart disease, diabetes, etc?

Assuming they stick to what they said ( big assumption) what do you think .gov numbers will be when it’s all said and done?

I have dismissed my doctor's advice on several occasions. Doctors kill lots of people. I'm friends with several and I know a lot of what they do is guess work. Despite their advice I haven't had a vaccine in decades except tetanus and if I had known they were without my knowledge slipping in a diphtheria and whooping cough vaccine I would not have taken that.

When I talk to my family members who are doctors, my friend who are doctors and my personal doctor, and they recommend the vaccine, what's their agenda?

Well Paul it seems as far as your concerned opinions vary, could be they don't like you. Hah!

Who are you going to go see if you have a heart attack?

I imagine I would go to our local ER And once there see what they have to say about options. Assuming I was conscious and competent. Why? What does action taken in response to a medical emergency have to do with whether a person would take time to assess whether they wish to participate in a medical experiment with a never before tried human ''vaccine''?

ShaunRyan - do you have a link to that quote? Much appreciated.

I imagine I would go to our local ER And once there see what they have to say about options. Assuming I was conscious and competent. Why? What does action taken in response to a medical emergency have to do with whether a person would take time to assess whether they wish to participate in a medical experiment with a never before tried human ''vaccine''?

So how long before you scared old hens let a little girl
Stick you with a needle?

Hell, how many here are summarily dismissing their own doctor's advice with things such as heart disease, diabetes, etc?

I imagine I would go to our local ER And once there see what they have to say about options. Assuming I was conscious and competent. Why? What does action taken in response to a medical emergency have to do with whether a person would take time to assess whether they wish to participate in a medical experiment with a never before tried human ''vaccine''?

I imagine I would go to our local ER And once there see what they have to say about options. Assuming I was conscious and competent. Why? What does action taken in response to a medical emergency have to do with whether a person would take time to assess whether they wish to participate in a medical experiment with a never before tried human ''vaccine''?

Why? I find it interesting that folks who have distrust for and distaste for the medical profession with COVID don't hesitate to trust the medical profession with other health issues. At one time the procedures and medications used in treating heart disease had never been tried before. I fully understand not trusting the .govs, but not trusting the very ones you would trust with your other health needs doesn't altogether compute for me. I understand having a healthy degree of skepticism, but to believe that 96% of doctors have an agenda, have been duped or would put their careers above the health of their patients on COVID, is overly conspiratorial in my view.

LINK

The context is a Canadian professor advocating for non-compliance with vaccination mandates within Canadian university systems. The questions he asks and the points he makes apply across the global board, which is why I posted them.

There's a thread. It got ignored. I think a lot of folks are engaging in pissing matches as a form of entertainment rather than trying to inform themselves or have an honest debate. Reminds me of the optics forum . . .

YMMV

I think he makes a very good case against mandatory vaccinations.

Why? I find it interesting that folks who have distrust for and distaste for the medical profession with COVID don't hesitate to trust the medical profession with other health issues. At one time the procedures and medications used in treating heart disease had never been tried before. I fully understand not trusting the .govs, but not trusting the very ones you would trust with your other health needs doesn't altogether compute for me. I understand having a healthy degree of skepticism, but to believe that 96% of doctors have an agenda, have been duped or would put their careers above the health of their patients on COVID, is overly conspiratorial in my view.

Why? I find it interesting that folks who have distrust for and distaste for the medical profession with COVID don't hesitate to trust the medical profession with other health issues. At one time the procedures and medications used in treating heart disease had never been tried before. I fully understand not trusting the .govs, but not trusting the very ones you would trust with your other health needs doesn't altogether compute for me. I understand having a healthy degree of skepticism, but to believe that 96% of doctors have an agenda, have been duped or would put their careers above the health of their patients on COVID, is overly conspiratorial in my view.

They know you even better than the 'fire does, so the best guess is, they're hopin you die quickly.

99.975% survival rate is all you need to know.

[quote=ShaunRyan]Lots of back-and-forth on this topic, which mostly amounts to people either promoting an agenda or defending their choices (which is by default an agenda).

/quote]

I don't really consider myself to have an agenda. I don't push the jab. I don't push masks. Hell, the only way I know of the vaccination status of my daughters and the rest of my family is if they volunteered the info to me. The only thing I'd implore anyone to do is to take it seriously. It has proven to be a remarkably confounding killer. And I'd encourage anyone to do with COVID what they do with other health issues. Use your health care providers and advocate strongly for yourself.

Hell, how many here are summarily dismissing their own doctor's advice with things such as heart disease, diabetes, etc?

It’s easy when 90% of the doctors were dispensing Opioids to help cure every ache and pain. Now look how that turned out. Lots of suspicion in the medical community and their “recommendations” because they are getting kickbacks from the pharmacies to push things. No denying that.

Maybe they’ll send a bunch of feminine pansy boys like you to force it on us.

That’ll be fun.

You should try growing the fugck up and seeing how that works out for you.

If the OP is referring to 2 of the respected members here I have no words to describe my disgust. Anyone that gloats over the death of a good man is lower than whaleshit. Children have lost their father, a wife has lost her partner and lives have been forever changed. There’s absolutely nothing good or funny about that!

The real “scared hen” is the chickenshit OP that has the audacity to start such a classless post and then run away. I’d welcome the OP to say such derogatory comments to me in person but she wouldn’t dare. I hope that I get a chance to “meet” the OP someday…..we could all gloat over his misfortune of meeting someone that takes exception to his disgusting comments. I doubt that anyone here would donate to his cosmetic surgery or his dental bills.

Better to take and push vaccines, and push and wear masks, than to push up daisies because you fell for misinformation. No excuse any more, many have run out of patience and compassion for the anti-vaxx and dewormer crowd. Many deniers request the vaccination just prior to intubation....

No thanks, I’m good.


Wouldn’t have pissed you off so bad if you didn’t know it was true.

Girly man

I know that in the late 90’s and early 2000’s that hospital administrations were pressuring ERMD’s to prescribe opiates to patients that were demanding them...regardless of how egregious the patients drug-seeking behaviors were to the ERMD’s...and the ER docs succumbed to those pressures and prescribed the opiates anyway. That’s what they were told to do, and that’s what they did. The hospital administrations didn’t give a rip about what was truly in the best interests of the patients, what mattered the most to them was getting a 5 on the Press-Ganey surveys that were being sent to every ER patient. And clearly what mattered the most to the ERMD’s was keeping their jobs...even though they were violating their oath of “first, do no harm”...in order to do it. Bottom line...it was ultimately all about the money...not only to the hospital administrators, but also to the ER docs.

Here's the statement from the FSMB:

“Physicians who generate and spread COVID-19 vaccine misinformation or disinformation are risking disciplinary action by state medical boards, including the suspension or revocation of their medical license. Due to their specialized knowledge and training, licensed physicians possess a high degree of public trust and therefore have a powerful platform in society, whether they recognize it or not. They also have an ethical and professional responsibility to practice medicine in the best interests of their patients and must share information that is factual, scientifically grounded and consensus-driven for the betterment of public health. Spreading inaccurate COVID-19 vaccine information contradicts that responsibility, threatens to further erode public trust in the medical profession and puts all patients at risk.”

And the joint statement from several national Medical Certification Boards:

The Federation of State Medical Boards (FSMB), which supports its member state medical licensing boards, has recently issued a statement saying that providing misinformation about the COVID-19 vaccine contradicts physicians’ ethical and professional responsibilities, and therefore may subject a physician to disciplinary actions, including suspension or revocation of their medical license. We at the American Board of Family Medicine (ABFM), the American Board of Internal Medicine (ABIM), and the American Board of Pediatrics (ABP) support FSMB’s position. We also want all physicians certified by our Boards to know that such unethical or unprofessional conduct may prompt their respective Board to take action that could put their certification at risk.

Expertise matters, and board-certified physicians have demonstrated that they have stayed current in their field. Spreading misinformation or falsehoods to the public during a time of a public health emergency goes against everything our Boards and our community of board-certified physicians stand for. The evidence that we have safe, effective and widely available vaccines against COVID-19 is overwhelming. We are particularly concerned about physicians who use their authority to denigrate vaccination at a time when vaccines continue to demonstrate excellent effectiveness against severe illness, hospitalization and death.

We all look to board-certified physicians to provide outstanding care and guidance; providing misinformation about a lethal disease is unethical, unprofessional and dangerous. In times of medical emergency, the community of expert physicians committed to science and evidence collectively shares a responsibility for giving the public the most accurate and timely health information available, so they can make decisions that work best for themselves and their families.

They can do no less. This FLCCC group is culpable in the deaths of many, they are in violation of the Hippocratic Oath and the admonition to "First, do no harm."

No, it's is not. It is better to provide comprehensive information and let grownups make up their own minds. Masks, or the things that are being used as masks, and the way that they are being used are pretty much a joke. That's not to say that proper masks and proper use can't provide a nominal layer of protection. The last part eludes communists like you. You could give a schidt less what anyone puts over their face or even if it's done properly, just so long as the requirement is in place. For you it's all about the control and the symbolism.

Better to take and push vaccines, and push and wear masks, than to push up daisies because you fell for misinformation. No excuse any more, many have run out of patience and compassion for the anti-vaxx and dewormer crowd. Many deniers request the vaccination just prior to intubation....

Your liberty ends at my nose. OSHA has a responsibility to ensure our workplaces are safe. Vaccines are important for everyone, unvaccinated people disproportionately consume healthcare resources. For me it's all about control, ie, controlling the virus so that people don't die. Masks help and must be worn properly, vaccines largely prevent serious illness, hospitalization and death. The science is settled. Everything else is rubbish.

Better to take and push vaccines, and push and wear masks, than to push up daisies because you fell for misinformation. No excuse any more, many have run out of patience and compassion for the anti-vaxx and dewormer crowd. Many deniers request the vaccination just prior to intubation....

If you are going to trust them to save your life after you get mangled in a car crash, what sense does it make to have no trust in them to help you deal with COVID?

Your liberty ends at my nose. OSHA has a responsibility to ensure our workplaces are safe. Vaccines are important for everyone, unvaccinated people disproportionately consume healthcare resources. For me it's all about control, ie, controlling the virus so that people don't die. Masks help and must be worn properly, vaccines largely prevent serious illness, hospitalization and death. The science is settled. Everything else is rubbish.

The inherent pressures for doctors doing hands-on patient care for someone mangled in a car crash (for example) are very different from the pressures that doctors are working under regarding Covid. In the first instance, I believe it’s much more likely that the best interest of the patient is the only interest that is considered. In the second instance, I believe it’s much less likely that the best interest of the patient is the only interest that is considered.

COVID science is anything but settled. If you think it's settled then compare COVID science today with the COVID science we'll see in 5 years. In fact that whole "settled science" language you love to trot out there was bitten in the ass when the early COVID science was a daily moving target and your explanation was that science, by definition evolves.

How consistent are you with your belief that my liberty ends at your nose? I'll bet you 100% that ideal migrates with you.

I am going to hazard a guess that they made no effort to define misinformation or disinformation. I'd like to see what they cite as examples of denigration of the vaccine.

Paul,

I've repeatedly said that the biggest loss in this thing is knowledge.

At first blush, that makes sense to me. But is it enough to shut down all trust I have in the medical community/institution relative to COVID. Bear in mind, I am talking about those that provide your care, not the .govs and academics.

When it comes to one’s health, and accessing the healthcare system in this country...for any reason...this should absolutely be at the very top of one’s priority list.

Allow me to rephrase. As of this date, the very best information we have is that the currently available vaccines are safe, effective and free. Also, masks help prevent spread. Those who reject those truths are at greater risk of infection and complications thereof, including death. The anti-vaxx, anti-mask and ivermectin crowd have caused the current spike of the pandemic, caused thousands of unnecessary deaths, delayed our recovery, needlessly increased healthcare costs and are a drag on the economy. All because they believe BS.

I am 100% consistent in believing that your liberty ends at my nose, and my liberty ends at yours. You have twice misjudged me and misrepresented my motivation. Why is that?

I know that in the late 90’s and early 2000’s that hospital administrations were pressuring ERMD’s to prescribe opiates to patients that were demanding them...regardless of how egregious the patients drug-seeking behaviors were to the ERMD’s...and the ER docs succumbed to those pressures and prescribed the opiates anyway. That’s what they were told to do, and that’s what they did. The hospital administrations didn’t give a rip about what was truly in the best interests of the patients, what mattered the most to them was getting a 5 on the Press-Ganey surveys that were being sent to every ER patient. And clearly what mattered the most to the ERMD’s was keeping their jobs...even though they were violating their oath of “first, do no harm”...in order to do it. Bottom line...it was ultimately all about the money...not only to the hospital administrators, but also to the ER docs.

I have had 2 very good friends (one deceased) that became hopelessly addicted to opiates. One got that way by dabbling in his dying wife's pain killers and the other was in a terrible motorcycle wreck 40 years ago for which was prescribed opiates. The one that is still living went through a withdrawal program with some sort of supervised step down using morphine and methadone. He is back on Hydrocodone and has told me that the pull that stuff has on him cannot be described. He claims he was pacing the floor at night and about to go crazy without his dope. I have been prescribed Hydrocodone several times over the years even being issued 30 pills at a time. Thank God, I took 2 one time and it stopped up my guts and I wouldn't take any more. As hooked as I am on caffeine there is no way I wouldn't have gotten hopelessly hooked on opiates or for that matter nicotine if I ever got started.

I'll second that. I'd also like to see what they cite as "overwhelming evidence" of the safety and efficacy of the widely available vaccines. Some "expert" getting in front of a camera and then a bunch of people parroting his/her statements isn't evidence. Citations, please.

Here's something to think about. As of September 8, there have been 40,523,954 COVID-19 cases reported, 2,842,496 hospitalizations, and 652,480 reported deaths. Quibble with the numbers, but they're the best we have to work with. The case fatality rate works out to roughly 1.6%. Odds of making it out of the hospital alive are difficult to calculate because some deaths occur out of hospital, but may be around 77%. Recent studies show that unvaccinated people are 11 times more likely to die from COVID. I'm thinking that if the case fatality rate was higher, say 50%, we wouldn't be having this discussion. Dead people don't post.

Paul if you think peddler is going to answer any of your questions honestly you’re not very bright. Not trying to be a dick but Piddler is the most disingenuous lying sack of crap on the campfire.

Calling him intellectually dishonest isn’t even close. The douche bag has an agenda that leads left towards communism.

With all the joint surgeries I have had, coupled with chronic migraines, my heart truly goes out to those with chronic pain issues who get hooked on opioids. There's really nothing else that I know of that can eliminate pain. I can easily understand how a chronic pain sufferer can get addicted.

They can afford to quit the job it cost so much obtain?

Gmafb.

It is very rare that I engage him. Every now and then I take pleasure in watching him slink off.

So how long before you scared old hens let a little girl
Stick you with a needle?

Would the answer to these questions help answer the efficacy part of that question?


_____ Percentage of the adult population has been fully vaccinated.


_____ Percentage of adults currently hospitalized with COVID have been fully vaccinated.

Perhaps, if one could be confident that those answers were factual. Who are the numbers coming from? How did they arrive at those numbers?

Simple statistics such as what actually constitutes a "case" of Covid have been manipulated from the beginning. Same goes for "Covid deaths."

After nearly two years of suspect figures and nonstop information massage, "experts" and officials flip-flopping and dodging valid questions from the public and healthcare professionals alike, blatant media suppression of anyone who questions research, methodology, motives, or the actual origins of the virus, people are suddenly shocked and offended that a percentage of the population isn't buying into a sketchy, magic-bullet solution that just happens to also be what is perhaps the largest taxpayer-funded corporate profit generator ever conceived? One that provides exemption from any and all liability to those corporations? One that the "experts'" have repeatedly admitted doesn't actually prevent much of anything but may or may not kinda sorta lessen symptoms and/or severity of some or all or maybe none of the known or unknown variants of the virus?

Those whacky conspiracy theorists will be the death of us all . . .

So, it appears you're one of those "Whacky Conspiracy Theorists", which describes the group Carlin was talking about in your signature line. That quote describes the majority here on the 'fire, too, allergic to science and fact. Looks like two here have died because they believed misinformation, lots more candidates post here.

Perhaps, if one could be confident that those answers were factual. Who are the numbers coming from? How did they arrive at those numbers?

Simple statistics such as what actually constitutes a "case" of Covid have been manipulated from the beginning. Same goes for "Covid deaths."

After nearly two years of suspect figures and nonstop information massage, "experts" and officials flip-flopping and dodging valid questions from the public and healthcare professionals alike, blatant media suppression of anyone who questions research, methodology, motives, or the actual origins of the virus, people are suddenly shocked and offended that a percentage of the population isn't buying into a sketchy, magic-bullet solution that just happens to also be what is perhaps the largest taxpayer-funded corporate profit generator ever conceived? One that provides exemption from any and all liability to those corporations? One that the "experts'" have repeatedly admitted doesn't actually prevent much of anything but may or may not kinda sorta lessen symptoms and/or severity of some or all or maybe none of the known or unknown variants of the virus?

Those whacky conspiracy theorists will be the death of us all . . .

Please highlight any and all examples of misinformation, and then provide links to independent, objective scientific studies providing the actual, accurate information.

A lot of people say that about you.

You’re a scumbag of the highest order.

Please do your own research. All of the information you seek is available in the public domain. Just make sure your sources are factual.

I see my stupid pedo doc alter ego is posting garbage again. Listen genius, nobody knows wtf is going on. This virus clearly targets certain genes that are unique to specific people. And the “experts“ haven’t identified the target combination of genes. Strong, healthy people and sick people both get it and die. And strong and healthy and sick people both get it and do fine. “Please do your own research”. Give me a friggin break.

Intellectually dishonest people dodge questions.

Hey Paul, where'd you go? Sent you a PM.

Better to take and push vaccines, and push and wear masks, than to push up daisies because you fell for misinformation. No excuse any more, many have run out of patience and compassion for the anti-vaxx and dewormer crowd. Many deniers request the vaccination just prior to intubation....

Here's something to think about. As of September 8, there have been 40,523,954 COVID-19 cases reported, 2,842,496 hospitalizations, and 652,480 reported deaths. Quibble with the numbers, but they're the best we have to work with. The case fatality rate works out to roughly 1.6%. Odds of making it out of the hospital alive are difficult to calculate because some deaths occur out of hospital, but may be around 77%. Recent studies show that unvaccinated people are 11 times more likely to die from COVID. I'm thinking that if the case fatality rate was higher, say 50%, we wouldn't be having this discussion. Dead people don't post.

Hey Paul, where'd you go? Sent you a PM.

Did I say it was a horse dewormer? Nope. It's an anti-parasitic active in humans and animals. I've even prescribed it, but only according to FDA guidelines. Never for COVID-19. You stand corrected.

Looks like a little lovers spat between the two of you.

When I talk to my family members who are doctors, my friend who are doctors and my personal doctor, and they recommend the vaccine, what's their agenda?

Answer the questions. I ignored your PM.