Good Morning Campfire,

So, I've been watching a lot of youtube videos lately...the news rarely report the crimes, but on youtube one can often see them unfold on video. They seem to have the following in common:

1- a group of 3-4 criminals

2 - armed people with extended magazines

3 - quick mobbing of an unaware victim, often at gas pumps, often in daylight...in other words - normal places...not surly alleys and such...

Prior to watching...my summer carry has always been a single j frame. Or a single 380 pocket carried pistol (glock or ppk) or a glock 26 pocket carry. Each setup was chosen based upon clothing. And, the thought was to defend against basically a single attacker, pit bull, etc...

But after watching numerous videos...my summer carry is now, POM spray on key chain and:

a - two j frames, one on the belt and one in the right front pocket; or,

b - glock 26 with back up magazine in hill people fanny pack;

The reason is to insure enough capacity against 3-4 perps and have the ability to draw while seated or transitioning from a vehicle.

When the weather cools, I imagine I'll be in full sized carry mode.

I was just curious what your guys carry was in the summer with all the heat and crime we are experiencing.

-John

Sig P365 with Blackhawk holster. Fall and winter Colt Gov. Model with El Paso Saddlery holster.

Funny, I was thinking the same thing today, i.e., they no longer care where or when. No need any longer to do their crimes at night in dark alleys. They have no fear of being caught or consequences. They know they will get (at worst) processed and sent home with a court date if they get caught, no matter how many times they've been through that same process. They just go right back out and do it again. That's what you call criminal justice reform.

The only reliable criminal reform is a lead injection.

There have been a few incidents around here lately that convinced me I needed to carry an AR15 with me, but the urgency for that seems to dwindle in a few days every time. I have a sneaking suspicion that it will all change before too long and keeping an AR15 within reach at all times will seem like an essential survival tactic.

America keeps veering towards the South Africa/Zimbabwe model of daily life: whites are on the menu for genocide. We will have to upgrade our EDC sidearms in the near future.

Wait wait wait. .....


So if I understand your post, you are going to dual wield two snubs, OR. .......OR .....a G26?

Your answers are wrong.

Full size handgun with a light and NS, spare mags on the belt. PLUS a BUG with spare ammo. Knife or knives are a given.

You still aren't up to speed. But you are getting there.


ETA: Have you been sprayed with your selected spray?

Mine too, minus the holster.

More and more I carry an easy to access AR or shotgun in addition to the handgun

Short barreled shotgun on a sling.

I recently had a situation where I was against 2. I upgraded my Ruger LC9 to a Springfield Hellcat Pro 15+1.

Was gasing up in Springfield, MO last week. Two middle aged homeless looking black dudes were sitting in the shade on the north side of the building. About 3:30 in the afternoon.

One looks at me, makes eye contact, nudges his buddy, and they get up and start walking toward me. I’m in khakis and a dress shirt, gasing up a ‘21 Silverado. I don’t know if they intended to panhandle or to rob me.

I very deliberately stared at them as I slid my hand into my front pants pocket, where my Colt Detective Special always resides. They both stopped, turned about and went back into the shade, never taking their eyes off me.

I finished pumping and left.

^^^This^^^

No pepper spray here. Full sized hi-cap handgun with 2 spare mags, and a BUG with 2 spare mags.
2 knifes, one’s a OTF switchblade and the others a Spyderco serrated Police version. And a shotgun & AR in the truck.
Hope I never need them, but it never hurts to be prepared.

While you are watching these videos notice, if you will, whenever the good guy opens up with whatever he has, they scatter like scared rabbits.

That’s what I always do. Or tell her I’ve got to get up early to get her to leave.

Unexpected noncompliance. Perforation imminent run like hell. Yup.

Most days my SIG P365 with a 12 round mag in it and a 10 round spare. Sundays my S&W M&P 2.0 full size with a 17 round mag.

THIS is one of the biggest problems. SO many people are willfully and utterly oblivious to danger around them. Generally paying absolutely no attention whatsoever to what is going on, fervently believing in perpetual sunshine and rainbows. When they do happen to notice Da'Shawn, De'Andre, and Demauntreaus bopping up behind them, hoodies and heads drawn down, eyes darting back and forth, lips smacking, they think "oh look, happy denizens of the city! Greetings, fellow citizens of the planet!", and are totally stunned when dey pull dey Glocks and sheeit, and say gimme dat muhfurggin money, muhfurgga!

If they’re worth pepper spray, they’re worth a bullet.




P

Still packing the 105 howitzer here.

Warm weather most often a P365 12+1 carried IWB and a spare 15rd. Been practicing alot with and breaking in a new to me 43x with shield arms 15rd mags, so that will join the rotation soon. Cooler weather usually a Glock 19 OWB 15+1 and spare mag or G30s OWB with 10+1 and 13rd G21 mag with spacer as backup. G19 43x and 30s have Trijicon HD night sights. For areas requiring deep concealment its an LCP 7+1 in a pocket holster with chambered hollow point remainder hardcast and spare 7rd mag. ALWAYS have a Kershaw Leek pocket knife.

Confucius say let necessary weapon dictate attire, not desired chick looking attire dictate weapon. Ah-so.

I'm heading down into Big D tomorrow, I'll just carry my usual HK USPc, loaded 10+1, in my El Paso Saddlery holster. No extra mag. Supposed to hit 106* tomorrow, I'll be carrying enough as it is.

So many people want to hurt me I carry an Apache helicopter.

Sig P365 most of the time. If wearing a suit, I switch to a Taurus Spectrum w/ extra mag. Other posters have mentioned, but keeping your head on a swivel at gas stations, on the way in and out of stores is critical. Do not be distracted by your phone. They can't swarm you if you are paying attention. If you can keep distance you can put distance between yourself and assailants and give yourself the opportunity to defend yourself and present yourself as a strong defender, not a victim.

Weather and clothing don't change much here in Florida. So, the only change I have planned is to work a G17 with a RDS into the curent C.C. rotation, which includes a 365 XL and a G19.

I also pocket carry a 642 with 158 gr SWC's when I'm out serving paper or in the hood.

Here in Tucson, it's usually warm enough most of the year that I'm wearing a T-shirt and jeans. The loose T is worn untucked and most of the time I carry a Colt Combat Commander .45 ACPwith 8 round magazine and two ten round Wilson mags in my left hand pocket. Some times it's a full size 1911. Back up is an S&W M60 the two spare speed loaders. On the very rare times I have to dress up I'll run a Walther PPK/s .380 ACP and several spare magazines.
PJ

Almost the same thing has happened to me twice, i.e., someone with apparent criminal intent approaching me, and my hand went to my front pants pocket, and he stopped and turned another direction, or (in one case) I reached for a .45 that was sitting in my passenger seat as he approached my driver's side window to induce the sudden change in plans.

It's all in your mind...

You are the veritable "Belle of the Ball".

Or is that "Belle of the BALLZ"...

Can't never keep all that stuff straight...

Going to do the almost weekly test drive today. S&W Shield plus. IWB.

My carry guns are both Sigs, P239 or P320. Hollow point in the chamber and ball in the magazine, IWB holsters.

Situational awareness is paramount. No matter what you’re doing (pumping gas, shopping, eating at the steakhouse), you need to be paying attention to what is going on around you. Jeff Cooper called it “Condition Orange”. A relaxed state of awareness. I have made it a point to practice this since the mid 80’s. Not stressed, not scared, just paying attention to who and what is around me. Carry whatever suits you. But practice with it until it is second nature to draw and make center mass hits at normal combat ranges (inside 25 feet). I am also not a fan of open carry. It’s like playing poker and showing your hand to everyone else at the table. Just my 2 cents.

Ron

Love my Mossberg Shockwave being with me in the truck..........along with the semi-auto on my belt. Spare mags for 3 different platforms in the door panel as I never know what I'm going to be wearing at the time....depends upon the location and purpose of the trip.

As my buddy Mackay says, "You don't get the fight you want, you get the fight you get!"


Frog----OUT!

Mini gun. Everyone backs away. I can walk anywhere.

I am of the opinion that when the first one or two are on the ground flopping like a fish and screaming like little girls the others are likely to scatter anyway.

According to several studies on the matter over the past 25 or so years, the majority of defensive gun uses never involve a shot being fired.

As soon as the bad guy(s) see a firearm in the hands of an intended victim (or, in many cases, they perceive a firearm about to be drawn), they change their plans and a violent incident is prevented.

Doesn't matter if it's a Colt .25 or a Super Redhawk .454. They don't want to be shot by anything.

I don't carry a gun....but I do have a "lead spritzer" made by S&W 😉👍 that I carry.
It does quite well at deterring violence!

Relying on the homicidal yutes to run away at the sight of a gun is foolish at best. The number of mental defectives and drugged up lunatics walking the streets is higher than ever. Don't expect rational decisions from aggressive two legged animals.

Nobody here said they were.

I do sometimes wonder how a few of the posters here function in a modern society where reading comprehension is kind of important.

This ^ ^ ^,
Mean mug them. 😉
And this...

Yup. I let them know I was aware of them, their approach was not welcomed, and I meant business.

Worked out well for everyone involved. Best possible outcome.

A very poor attempt at gaslighting. Or maybe you and your boyfriend are just drooling idiots.

Your words speak volumes more than you realize.

He's special needs.

Been thinking about a rubber snake 🐍 n the console and maybe another in the passenger seat



Maybe motorized



FREAK THEM OUT !!

Never seen an innocent young man on his way to Bible study that could stay close to a snake. YMMV

I'm pretty sure in some churches holding snakes is highly encouraged.

P365 most of the time in the Summer. Larger weapon when I ware different cloths.

Not in the hood I promise. laffin. It’ll look like a covey rise.

At least it is self-propelled, unlike my Gatling gun.

EDC Glock G36 -> G23.4

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America -> South Africa

Science of Darwinism




GR

+ 1. And then some !

All I can say is twice I had to pull a gun on 'dudes" in atlanta... once while at an ATM and another time when they did not like me catching them breaking into a car... both times, as soon as they got to close, I drew and they took off running before I could get a good sight picture on them... If I had shot they would have been shot in the back and that would not have been good for me I am sure... I tend to agree a lot of times (not all for sure) they hit the road when they know you are not an easy target and they do not have an advantage.

Everyone knows the last time Ricky had a guest was 1997 . He left his g string in the shower.