"Just another case of his hatred of anyone who has a different opinion or belief. Christians must be tolerant of his beliefs but he cannot repay in kind. His joy at seeing a Christian family destroyed in an auto accident earned him a ignore. If you all would just quit quoting him his hate would not contaminate my computer."
If he, or anyone else on this forum who'd like to see me leave - can find any post that shows any truth to what he has suggested - and I'll quit this forum - forever.
You'd think a true Christian would be above lying wouldn't you?
Funny, I'd take Scott's word as gold any day of the week. Obviously, his interpretation of whatever you posted (no, I'm not going to waste my time looking it up).
Most of the posters on the Fire lie to themselves all the time. This is the reason they are so frustrated. They have lived a lie for so long they can no longer recognize Truth.
They tend to view the world today as they had hoped for and wished it would turn out. They can't accept the fact that their prior actions led to what we have today. The fault always lays at another persons doorstep.
Tomorrow at the Christmas Dinner Table they will once again tell a big fat lie to to their families and friends all the while keeping a straight face and smirking under the cover of napkin over their mouths.
They tend to view the world today as they had hoped for and wished it would turn out. They can't accept the fact that their prior actions led to what we have today.
Christians must be tolerant of his beliefs but he cannot repay in kind. I can believe that.
His joy at seeing a Christian family destroyed in an auto accident earned him a ignore. OK, that I'll need to see before I believe. But if he is able to provide language that reflects this, then I think at that point nobody should have to ask you to leave.
BCB, Likely he interpreted things things different than you intended and went a bit extreme. Your post title and ending statement would be your three fingers pointing back to you.
Christians must be tolerant of his beliefs but he cannot repay in kind. I can believe that.
His joy at seeing a Christian family destroyed in an auto accident earned him a ignore. OK, that I'll need to see before I believe.
You will not find a direct quote, rather Brian's tone and a combination of things posted in a particular thread, led Scott to draw this conclusion, that is not far fetched. I believe that is Scott's interpretation...
Christians must be tolerant of his beliefs but he cannot repay in kind. I can believe that.
His joy at seeing a Christian family destroyed in an auto accident earned him a ignore. OK, that I'll need to see before I believe.
You will not find a direct quote, rather Brian's tone and a combination of things posted in a particular thread, led Scott to draw this conclusion, that is not far fetched. I believe that is Scott's interpretation...
Christians must be tolerant of his beliefs but he cannot repay in kind. I can believe that.
His joy at seeing a Christian family destroyed in an auto accident earned him a ignore. OK, that I'll need to see before I believe.
You will not find a direct quote, rather Brian's tone and a combination of things posted in a particular thread, led Scott to draw this conclusion, that is not far fetched. I believe that is Scott's interpretation...
"Just another case of his hatred of anyone who has a different opinion or belief. Christians must be tolerant of his beliefs but he cannot repay in kind. His joy at seeing a Christian family destroyed in an auto accident earned him a ignore. If you all would just quit quoting him his hate would not contaminate my computer."
If he, or anyone else on this forum who'd like to see me leave - can find any post that shows any truth to what he has suggested - and I'll quit this forum - forever.
You'd think a true Christian would be above lying wouldn't you?
Obviously Scott F - is nothing but a lowly liar.
And - a sick sick mind.
Brian, We should all be grateful that we made it another year above ground. This is a time for celebration and brotherhood, not quibbling with each other on the internet.
I hope you are your's have a Merry Christmas and a prosperous New Year.
"Just another case of his hatred of anyone who has a different opinion or belief. Christians must be tolerant of his beliefs but he cannot repay in kind. His joy at seeing a Christian family destroyed in an auto accident earned him a ignore. If you all would just quit quoting him his hate would not contaminate my computer."
If he, or anyone else on this forum who'd like to see me leave - can find any post that shows any truth to what he has suggested - and I'll quit this forum - forever.
You'd think a true Christian would be above lying wouldn't you?
Obviously Scott F - is nothing but a lowly liar.
And - a sick sick mind.
I know Scott. He's a dear friend. I'd trust him with my life or that of my wife and kid(s).
A more honest man, a better man, I don't know if I've ever met.
It's Christmas; which you don't believe in, but man do.
Show at least a little class and try to refrain from this...stuff...at least right now.
it's all pretty much a weakness in reading comprehension. we've all seen it over and over again.
our commonalities are great, and differences are pretty much miniscule. then we assign our differences to individual personalities. we should all go back to school. would it be a gov't school, private school, or religious skool?
the Red Guards in China required a re-doctrination of lot of Chinese liberals. if a re-indoctrination in the Western Hemishpere occurred, what might it look like?
ive spent the day with Scott and his lovely bride......both top shelf and good ppl......hoping to meet up again this April if the trip out to Seattle with my family and a friends family pans out.....have no doubts our next meeting will be a great time aswell....
Brian; I must confess that I've come and gone about a dozen times from your post trying to determine what, if any my response would or even should be.
After some prayer for wisdom Brian, I've begun to type.
We've exchanged PM's Brian and have had what I considered to be a pleasant phone conversation. I find much in common with many of yours posts, not all to be sure, but still as we're from the same geographic area and share many common interests on most things I can at least understand where you are coming from.
I've eaten two meals with Scott thus far, one of which was at our home on the deck. Scott knows that he and his family have a standing invitation to return to our home anytime. I'll add that I've phoned, emailed and PM'd Scott on a myriad of occasions and have always and without exception felt I was a better man for doing so.
In terms of this forum Brian and truly in the greater scheme of things, it's not within the scope of my ability to compel anyone to act more charitably towards their fellow humans.
Although I do strive for - sometimes indeed falling far short of the goal - nonetheless I do try to post and for that matter to live in such a way that reflects well upon the God who I've chosen to serve. I am acutely aware that daily I fall short, but with His help and guidance hopefully I'll make some headway.
I write the last part only to try to better articulate where I'm coming from when I say that from the bottom of my heart Brian, I hope and also pray that you and your family have a good Christmas together.
No one with a discernible shred of decency would start a thread with a header like " � is a liar! A gutless one too" about a fellow Campfire member � especially on Christmas Eve.
To be a christian is to act like one, and on this day of the eve of the birth of Jesus Christ we who are Christians need especially so to forgive those who are not and their sins caused by their own lack of Christianity. You have the next 36 hrs of grace BC Brian, as far as I am concerned. But after that you sir are still a dickhead. Magnum Man
I hope Scott and Brian both have a Merry Christmas, as well as all the good men and women on here. I'll also say a prayer tonight as I lift a glass in memory of those Campfire members not with us this Christmas.
Brian; I must confess that I've come and gone about a dozen times from your post trying to determine what, if any my response would or even should be.
After some prayer for wisdom Brian, I've begun to type.
We've exchanged PM's Brian and have had what I considered to be a pleasant phone conversation. I find much in common with many of yours posts, not all to be sure, but still as we're from the same geographic area and share many common interests on most things I can at least understand where you are coming from.
I've eaten two meals with Scott thus far, one of which was at our home on the deck. Scott knows that he and his family have a standing invitation to return to our home anytime. I'll add that I've phoned, emailed and PM'd Scott on a myriad of occasions and have always and without exception felt I was a better man for doing so.
In terms of this forum Brian and truly in the greater scheme of things, it's not within the scope of my ability to compel anyone to act more charitably towards their fellow humans.
Although I do strive for - sometimes indeed falling far short of the goal - nonetheless I do try to post and for that matter to live in such a way that reflects well upon the God who I've chosen to serve. I am acutely aware that daily I fall short, but with His help and guidance hopefully I'll make some headway.
I write the last part only to try to better articulate where I'm coming from when I say that from the bottom of my heart Brian, I hope and also pray that you and your family have a good Christmas together.
All the best in 2012 to you all as well.
Dwayne
Sir, we have never met, or even conversed, but I have always watched your posts. You must surely be one of the finest examples of Christian character that I have run into. How anyone can take issue with the source of your strength and character is a complete mystery to me.
I must confess that I've come and gone about a dozen times from your post trying to determine what, if any my response would or even should be. Dwayne
You did well Dwayne and represent the finest of our great neighbors to the North. BC on the other hand reminds me that there are members clueless about social behavior regardless of national boundaries.
The list of people here that would make me stand up and walk away from a real campfire should they show up is short but BCBrian just joined it.
ALRIGHT, NOBODY IS OPENING PRESENTS UNTIL YOU GUYS MAKE UP...
LOL. I can just see my kids' faces when I tell them that once the 2 guys on the internet make up then they can open their presents....and not one minute sooner. Afterall this IS serious stuff.
We'll all be glued to this thread in hopes that Christmas will come....
I hope Scott and Brian both have a Merry Christmas, as well as all the good men and women on here. I'll also say a prayer tonight as I lift a glass in memory of those Campfire members not with us this Christmas.
Hear hear!!
I'm not a prayin' man but my sentiment is right there with you.
"Just another case of his hatred of anyone who has a different opinion or belief. Christians must be tolerant of his beliefs but he cannot repay in kind. His joy at seeing a Christian family destroyed in an auto accident earned him a ignore. If you all would just quit quoting him his hate would not contaminate my computer."
If he, or anyone else on this forum who'd like to see me leave - can find any post that shows any truth to what he has suggested - and I'll quit this forum - forever.
You'd think a true Christian would be above lying wouldn't you?
I too, deliberated long and hard on how best to stand up to a man who posts hate-filled nonsense about me.
Past experience on this forum has taught me - that because he is a Christian - most members of this forum will side with him - whether he invented outright lies - or not - and he'll suffer not a single accounting for having spread his lies.
But, I couldn't choose to sit here and let sick lies - without any foundation - be told about me. I chose to expose the man - for what he is.
For him to suggest that I am so filled with hate towards Christians that I would take pleasure in hearing that a Christian family was killed in an automobile accident - is beyond anything I have ever experienced on this forum.
Not only is such a statement not true - but it is without even a shred, a sliver or a particle of the truth. It is absolutely nothing more than an attempt by a so-called Christian to smear someone - because he doesn't share the same beliefs. This whole lie was planned and invented by Scott F - and then posted here so he could spread those lies.
I don't mind people attacking my political beliefs, or my lack of religious belief, I don't even mind people who choose not to debate - but instead prefer to name call. I take things like that in stride.
But to suggest to this loving father - that I could ever choose to take pleasure in some family's death - goes beyond all sense of human decency!
The fact that the only out-right lies that I've ever read posted about me on this forum - have been by "Christians" - is no doubt - purely coincidental.
Tonight - this "hate-filled" father is going to drive his three church-going Christian daughters to the Vernon Alliance Church - the church they attend most every week - where I will observe their role in the annual Christmas play. I will hear them all sing songs of praise in the choir. I will donate when the collection plate comes around - as I always do when attending church with my girls. Then, I'll go home to my house.
After church, I'll wish them all sweet dreams and a Merry Christmas when I drop them off at their mother's house. It's her turn to host where Christmas celebrations will occur this year. My ex-wife and I alternate houses to celebrate Christmas morning year after year.
Tomorrow - on Christmas morning - my wife and I will drive the half hour to my ex-wife's home and celebrate Christmas with my "ex" and her husband - as we have done every year since our divorce - so that my daughters can be surrounded by all the people they love while they celebrate the birth of Jesus.
There's a seep somewhere but it seems it's starting to clog up. I have a second spring running water into it for now and noticed it puts a good amount of sediment in the pond with a good rain.
Brian---It sounds like you have much to be thankful for this Christmas, and great plans to spend with loved ones. I hope you focus on the good and just know, for whatever it's worth, that I would never believe you would wish harm to any family, Christian or not.
"Twas the night before Christmas"......While I am not a praying kind of guy,I believe in God's mercy.Tonight my thoughts will be of Peace on Earth,and Goodwill towards Man.A Merry Christmas to you Scott,and to you as well Brian. Monashee
Dwayne, God Bless you and your family, you are truly a Christian man.
I chose not to attack or defend either party as it simply does not feel right for me to do so as I have had Brian on ignore for some time for many things he has posted that I disagree with. As too Scott F, I find him a kind and gentle man.
No one with a discernible shred of decency would start a thread with a header like " � is a liar! A gutless one too" about a fellow Campfire member � especially on Christmas Eve.
No - he'd sit a back and let other people spread invented lies saying he was the kind of man who could take pleasure in the death of innocent children - wouldn't he Ken?
No one with a shred of decency would ever post the kind of lies like Scott F said about me either.
� How many Campfire folks, do you reckon, had paid much attention to what Scott F said that bothered you so much?
� How many Campfire folks, do you reckon, had remembered the slightest whisper of what Scott F said before you reminded us all of what only a few of us had read? (How many of us, do you reckon, would have to resurrect Scott's pertinent post to see what he'd said?)
� NOW � how many Campfire folks have seen a decidedly unattractive even repulsive manifestation of your ego?
� Are you satisfied that you've done what you set out to do?
No one with a discernible shred of decency would start a thread with a header like " � is a liar! A gutless one too" about a fellow Campfire member � especially on Christmas Eve.
No - he'd sit a back and let other people spread invented lies saying he was the kind of man who could take pleasure in the death of innocent children - wouldn't he Ken?
No one with a shred of decency would ever post the kind of lies like Scott F said about me either.
� How many Campfire folks, do you reckon, had paid much attention to what Scott F said that bothered you so much?
� How many Campfire folks, do you reckon, had remembered the slightest whisper of what Scott F said before you reminded us all of what only a few of us had read? (How many of us, do you reckon, would have to resurrect Scott's pertinent post to see what he'd said?)
� NOW � how many Campfire folks have seen a decidedly unattractive even repulsive manifestation of your ego?
� Are you satisfied that you've done what you set out to do?
� Are you satisfied with what it has cost us all?
It cost you squat Ken.
Why why why - would a Christian post such lies about another forum member?
� How many Campfire folks, do you reckon, had paid much attention to what Scott F said that bothered you so much?
� How many Campfire folks, do you reckon, had remembered the slightest whisper of what Scott F said before you reminded us all of what only a few of us had read? (How many of us, do you reckon, would have to resurrect Scott's pertinent post to see what he'd said?)
� NOW � how many Campfire folks have seen a decidedly unattractive even repulsive manifestation of your ego?
� Are you satisfied that you've done what you set out to do?
� Are you satisfied with what it has cost us all?
Huh. You, uh... you're...
I like this Ken Howell guy. Is he new here?
;-)
MERRY CHRISTMAS GUYS AND GALS! TIME to hit the family festivities!
True. But I was thinking of my childhood, where the parents yelled and screamed (and other stuff), and then later on most of the kids carried on the flame as they grew up.
One of the reasons why I don't care to travel over the Holidays. Instead, I look forward to sharing Christmas with my wife and kids.
We have the presents arranged under the manger, and the stockings hung with care (I love being in charge of the stockings!!! ). Tonight we will have our Christmas Eve dinner of salmon chowder. We will read through the Christmas story as described by Luke, and discuss other parts located throughout all of Scripture. Then we will all talk about the blessings we have received this last year. Finally, our kids will open their Secret Santa gift. Then off to bed. I will probably have to wake them up around 8 or 9 tomorrow morning. Maybe the wife and I will have time to sneak in a ski before they do wake up.
To all of you here,
And may the Lord bless you and keep you, and may the Lord make His face to shine upon you and be gracious to you, and may the Lord turn His face towards you, and give you His Peace.
BC, let it go. we're dealing with folks on tons of different wave-lengths or octaves. just leave it alone. evil (lack of information) just feeds off it's self. forget salving an ego. it can't be done on this Earth-plane. just let it go, and pray for forgiveness to all, because of their lack of understanding.
just assume everyone means well, especially here on the Internet, and let it go at that.
the Sun is rising higher in the sky every day, and that forecasts a warm spring and a hot summer.
i remember reading the thread Scott's talking about, can't remember the title to search for it. don't remember Brian's exact comments, but remember thinking he was out of line.
Brian, Whether Scott outright said it, or implied it, or you drew the inference, it's enough to just deny it and set the record straight.
No need to throw gasoline on the fire.
Oh, ... ... and a big Merry Christmas to all.
You wouldn't want to expose the man for what he was?
Obviously - you never read such hate-filled lies about yourself here.
If you ever do - get back to me.
All you've done is expose yourself as being unbalanced and inconsiderate to start such a debacle on Christmas eve. I don't know either of you personally, never met y'all, talked to y'all, emailed y'all.
Tonight and tomorrow is the celebration of the birth of Jesus. And I believe he spoke to this issue directly when he said, "Forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us."
L e t i t g o! Jesus taught forgiveness. Once you forgive people, it will set you free! All carrying a black heart against someone does is eat at your soul.
It's Christmas time. Peace on earth - good will toward men! If you don't share our religion and it's beliefs, then please be considerate enough to show respect and consideration for those of us who do.
That's only going back under 36 months, and searching merely the word "pray". Want to wonder what'd be shown for searching further back and under more words that you disdain?
Care to figure where the impression you leave comes from, and where the self-righteous snickering is easily seen when someone of faith dies?
You brought this upon yourself. Have the dignity to slink away, leave Christmas relatively intact, or perhaps the honor to realize that Scott was correct in the assertion he made as to your intent across MANY threads...and just leave.
agreed! we saw a record breaking White Christmas last year.
quite a sight to see. it's quite time to relax and allow the Christmas season to manifest.
to go a step further, we're eyeing collard greens, and black-eyed peas, with baked porkchops for New Year's Day. and i haven't forgotten the cornbread and sliced onions either.
Merry Christmas, y'all, for about the thousand's time.
Brian; I must confess that I've come and gone about a dozen times from your post trying to determine what, if any my response would or even should be.
After some prayer for wisdom Brian, I've begun to type.
We've exchanged PM's Brian and have had what I considered to be a pleasant phone conversation. I find much in common with many of yours posts, not all to be sure, but still as we're from the same geographic area and share many common interests on most things I can at least understand where you are coming from.
I've eaten two meals with Scott thus far, one of which was at our home on the deck. Scott knows that he and his family have a standing invitation to return to our home anytime. I'll add that I've phoned, emailed and PM'd Scott on a myriad of occasions and have always and without exception felt I was a better man for doing so.
In terms of this forum Brian and truly in the greater scheme of things, it's not within the scope of my ability to compel anyone to act more charitably towards their fellow humans.
Although I do strive for - sometimes indeed falling far short of the goal - nonetheless I do try to post and for that matter to live in such a way that reflects well upon the God who I've chosen to serve. I am acutely aware that daily I fall short, but with His help and guidance hopefully I'll make some headway.
I write the last part only to try to better articulate where I'm coming from when I say that from the bottom of my heart Brian, I hope and also pray that you and your family have a good Christmas together.
All the best in 2012 to you all as well.
Dwayne
Sir, we have never met, or even conversed, but I have always watched your posts. You must surely be one of the finest examples of Christian character that I have run into. How anyone can take issue with the source of your strength and character is a complete mystery to me.
BC, let it go. we're dealing with folks on tons of different wave-lengths or octaves. just leave it alone. evil (lack of information) just feeds off it's self. forget salving an ego. it can't be done on this Earth-plane. just let it go, and pray for forgiveness to all, because of their lack of understanding.
just assume everyone means well, especially here on the Internet, and let it go at that.
the Sun is rising higher in the sky every day, and that forecasts a warm spring and a hot summer.
BCB's in good company.
re-phrase,....APPROPRIATE, AND SUITABLE "COMPANY".
� How many Campfire folks, do you reckon, had paid much attention to what Scott F said that bothered you so much?
� How many Campfire folks, do you reckon, had remembered the slightest whisper of what Scott F said before you reminded us all of what only a few of us had read? (How many of us, do you reckon, would have to resurrect Scott's pertinent post to see what he'd said?)
� NOW � how many Campfire folks have seen a decidedly unattractive even repulsive manifestation of your ego?
� Are you satisfied that you've done what you set out to do?
� Are you satisfied with what it has cost us all?
It cost you squat Ken.
Why why why - would a Christian post such lies about another forum member?
Why isn't anyone here - asking that?
Brian,
With respect, it has nothing to do with Christian vs Non Christian.
Did you ever stop to thing that it may be just one man disagreeing with another man. Problem is you have to make everything about your belief, or lack thereof, in a higher power, so that you can play the victim. You play the victim card again and again to justify your behavior, because if you didn't your posts would have no relevance and wouldn't get as much play.
Beyond that you already took this up with Scott in the original thread that he mentioned it, so why the urge to defend your honor again? Attention whoring is the term, and doing this today is nothing more than verification of the same.
I just find it amusing that anyone would care what another man thinks as far as religion goes. I have friends that are Mormon, Catholic, Baptists and even some that are atheists. My friends are what they are, and I am not gonna get in a conversation with them over why my beliefs are better than their beliefs.
A friend is not a feller who is taken in by sham.... A friend is one who knows our faults and doesn't give a damn...
Merry Christmas or Happy Holidays or have a good day off or stay safe working...Whatever winds your watch...
That's only going back under 36 months, and searching merely the word "pray". Want to wonder what'd be shown for searching further back and under more words that you disdain?
Care to figure where the impression you leave comes from, and where the self-righteous snickering is easily seen when someone of faith dies?
You brought this upon yourself. Have the dignity to slink away, leave Christmas relatively intact, or perhaps the honor to realize that Scott was correct in the assertion he made as to your intent across MANY threads...and just leave.
To quote an old axiom,..."This Thread is NOTHING without pics"
Could someone pose the shot of BCB doing his "Tucson Shooter /Jarrod Laughner"" schtick.
Than this thread will fizzle out.
If the sorry azzwhole had a hair on his behind he could have DRIVEN down to Scott F's place, said this to his face, and been home by dark.
GTC
Well, between that and the "reknowned 'christian'" Barak saying that a little girl in Arizona ought to have died because she was genetically inferior and destined to be a politician....
Well, between that and the "reknowned 'christian'" Barak saying that a little girl in Arizona ought to have died because she was genetically inferior and destined to be a politician....
Helluva pair.
Merry Christmas, right?
Just goes to show that no religion, nor lack thereof, has a monopoly on evil.
Brian; I must confess that I've come and gone about a dozen times from your post trying to determine what, if any my response would or even should be.
After some prayer for wisdom Brian, I've begun to type.
We've exchanged PM's Brian and have had what I considered to be a pleasant phone conversation. I find much in common with many of yours posts, not all to be sure, but still as we're from the same geographic area and share many common interests on most things I can at least understand where you are coming from.
I've eaten two meals with Scott thus far, one of which was at our home on the deck. Scott knows that he and his family have a standing invitation to return to our home anytime. I'll add that I've phoned, emailed and PM'd Scott on a myriad of occasions and have always and without exception felt I was a better man for doing so.
In terms of this forum Brian and truly in the greater scheme of things, it's not within the scope of my ability to compel anyone to act more charitably towards their fellow humans.
Although I do strive for - sometimes indeed falling far short of the goal - nonetheless I do try to post and for that matter to live in such a way that reflects well upon the God who I've chosen to serve. I am acutely aware that daily I fall short, but with His help and guidance hopefully I'll make some headway.
I write the last part only to try to better articulate where I'm coming from when I say that from the bottom of my heart Brian, I hope and also pray that you and your family have a good Christmas together.
All the best in 2012 to you all as well.
Dwayne
I am reiterating but, great post. I would stand beside Scott at anytime.
The existence of any admitted Christian is a threat to the complacency of a certain breed of atheist.
That's why they're so obsessively anti-Christian.
Only by thoroughly discrediting every vestige of Christianity can they hope to find any semblance of spiritual calm.
It is funny that some atheists are more zealous about their beliefs that religious folks. A cross in the desert bothers atheists but no Jewish or Muslim group even noticed it was there. Nor would they have kicked up a fuss. The Establishment Clause has been distorted to the point of absurdity.
Just got back from a shopping trip and saw this. I just had to open Brian's post to see what he posted.
I honestly do not remember the details of the post that caused me to decide to use the ignore button. It was a tragedy where a Christian family was responding to the loss of a daughter. I believe it was an auto accident but I honestly cannot remember. The pure hate for Christians and his ridicule of any and everything pertaining to faith caused my decision. The links above posted by others show the trend.
I am not encouraging Brian to leave. That is his decision and I have no desire to be part of the drama. I just choose not to read his posts just as I choose to avoid the stench of decaying meat.
So, Brian if I have offended you I will apologize. However, I have not changed my mind about the ignore feature and will do so as long as you continue to ridicule my beliefs. Please note, I have not and will not ask you to change how you believe. That is what freedom is all about. In some ways, I actually admire you. Many who suffer your disability would not be working as a productive part of society. That tells me you are an overcomer and that sits high on my list of positive traits.
I hope this is enough to allow the kids to open their Christmas presents. I would like his will be my last post on this subject. The ball is in your park.
Thanks for all the kind words of those who have supported me.
Scott and his lovely wife would have invited him for Christmas Eve dinner and offered him a warm place to spend the night.
That has the resounding ring of solid silvery truth.
It certainly does.
I am a Christian and have been for thirty five years but I WOULD NOT invite Brian into my house. That, in my way of thinking, would be too close to inviting Satan to come in. There are many Godless people that are welcome but not people that take such a vocal stand against God. Here is what 2nd John verses 10 and 11 say on that subject.
1:10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house and do not give him any greeting 1:11 because the person who gives him a greeting shares in his evil deeds.
And in keeping with the example of Jesus in John 17, I do not pray for him.
17:9 I am praying on behalf of them ( His disciples). I am not praying on behalf of the world, but on behalf of those you have given me, because they belong to you.
Scott and his lovely wife would have invited him for Christmas Eve dinner and offered him a warm place to spend the night.
That has the resounding ring of solid silvery truth.
It certainly does.
I am a Christian and have been for thirty five years but I WOULD NOT invite Brian into my house. That, in my way of thinking, would be too close to inviting Satan to come in. There are many Godless people that are welcome but not people that take such a vocal stand against God. Here is what 2nd John verses 10 and 11 say on that subject.
1:10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house and do not give him any greeting 1:11 because the person who gives him a greeting shares in his evil deeds.
And in keeping with the example of Jesus in John 17, I do not pray for him.
17:9 I am praying on behalf of them ( His disciples). I am not praying on behalf of the world, but on behalf of those you have given me, because they belong to you.
in all honesty, and respect. don't worry about God, worry about your own Soul. God is well able to take care of himself and those who are related. your soul is at risk. what are you doing about it?
I am a Christian and have been for thirty five years but I WOULD NOT invite Brian into my house. That, in my way of thinking, would be too close to inviting Satan to come in.
I am a Christian and have been for thirty five years but I WOULD NOT invite Brian into my house. That, in my way of thinking, would be too close to inviting Satan to come in.
Good grief.
just thinking. if Satan came in, and met you? would he bow down, or offer to fight? think about it. is Satan real? really?
I am a Christian and have been for thirty five years but I WOULD NOT invite Brian into my house. That, in my way of thinking, would be too close to inviting Satan to come in.
Good grief.
just thinking. if Satan came in, and met you? would he bow down, or offer to fight? think about it. is Satan real? really?
You have my vote. I believe this thread alone has sealed the KOTY award for you.
I like the way you play. You play to win, not to lose even with a commanding lead over TRH.
Brian must have been 4 fingers deep into the shine to have felt it appropiate to loft that schit-biscuit of a post on Christmas Eve.
Depression hits hard at the holidays.
yes, indeed. well-spoken truth. a lot of posters have no clue, but are well-intentioned, nevertheless.
as a family of outdoorsmen, hunters & fishermen, getting through the great rituals of the Year is no easy task, although we all attempt to do so, gallantly.
the bad news is that Christmas comes and goes without perfection. the good news is that Xmas will come around next year, once again, and we will have yet another chance.
let's take a break from the frontal assaults. we all mean well. i think the Krauts and Brits took a break during the Xmas season, back in the day, didn't they?
Brian must have been 4 fingers deep into the shine to have felt it appropiate to loft that schit-biscuit of a post on Christmas Eve.
Nevertheless....to my Canada neighbors,I wish you and your loved ones a most Merry Christmas and a healthy and prosperous New Year.
isaac,thank you and Christmas Best wishes to all our Campfire friends to the South,in Alaska,and on active duty all over the world.May 2012 bring you all Joy,Happiness,Health and Prosperity. Monashee
To Brian and Scott and their families, Merry Christmas.
From the Pagan Faerie Dwarf and his lovely Faerie Lady.
BTW: My Faerie Lady just got a Christmas present, the December Angel, from a Christian Lady friend. Neither one of us disintegrated into a pile of dust. Thought you all might want to know that.
Oh boy, Christmas Eve and this is a lead off thread. Merry Christmas to my fellow Campfire brothers (and the few ladies who hang with this unruly crowd).
Just got back from a shopping trip and saw this. I just had to open Brian's post to see what he posted.
I honestly do not remember the details of the post that caused me to decide to use the ignore button. It was a tragedy where a Christian family was responding to the loss of a daughter. I believe it was an auto accident but I honestly cannot remember. The pure hate for Christians and his ridicule of any and everything pertaining to faith caused my decision. The links above posted by others show the trend.
I am not encouraging Brian to leave. That is his decision and I have no desire to be part of the drama. I just choose not to read his posts just as I choose to avoid the stench of decaying meat.
So, Brian if I have offended you I will apologize. However, I have not changed my mind about the ignore feature and will do so as long as you continue to ridicule my beliefs. Please note, I have not and will not ask you to change how you believe. That is what freedom is all about. In some ways, I actually admire you. Many who suffer your disability would not be working as a productive part of society. That tells me you are an overcomer and that sits high on my list of positive traits.
I hope this is enough to allow the kids to open their Christmas presents. I would like his will be my last post on this subject. The ball is in your park.
Thanks for all the kind words of those who have supported me.
OK Scott,
The posts are running about 100 to 0 - in your favour on this one.
I expected that. Christians have always been good at circling the wagons - even when it's one of their own telling the lies.
Why you would ever fabricate a story about me delighting in the deaths of Christian children in a car accident? And then put that out on this forum - as a fact - it is beyond what little comprehension I might process.
Short of calling me a child-molester - I can't think of anything worse one man could write about another.
Not one single "Christian" on this forum of took you task for what you now seem to admit - was a total fabrication - on your part. But, of course, page after page are filled with replies condemning me for publicly calling you out for doing so.
I guess I should have just turned the other cheek and accepted what you said - eh?
I guess it was bad timing on my part for calling you out on it on the eve of the celebration of the birth of Jesus.
I guess that is as good an illustration as any - about why I could never belong to a church. That's really is very telling - to my way of thinking, anyways.
I guess when a Christian writes hate-filled, total fabrications, about a hated atheist - who would expect any Christian to side with the atheist - at least publicly? Protecting the faith - must be more important than the truth, I guess?
I've always found it odd that when an atheist debates Christianity with believers - he's branded as "hate-filled" - just for partaking in the debate. Christians, it seems, are never hate-filled when they debate atheists - even when they call for my early death - or when they make up stories about me delighting in the deaths of innocent children. Odd that, isn't it?
I'd accept your apology - if I thought it was sincere. To be sincere however - you would have to admit you made the whole story about me delighting in the death of a car full of Christians dying. And - you haven't done that.
When it comes to my feelings about faith, and faiths - I admire the words attributed to Jesus - while not accepting his divinity. His message to the world was a wonderful one.
In the spirit of what Jesus was trying to teach humanity - about forgiveness - I'm just going to reconcile myself to the belief that you must have honestly thought I wrote such a hateful thing.
Whatever disability it is that you think I have - I don't believe I have anything in my make-up that has ever caused me to fabricate stories about other people - in an effort to discredit them.
I hope your God and your Jesus will forgive you for doing such a thing to me. It was, after all, just an effort to discredit an atheist - and a rather unpopular one at that.
Thanks to those who have (in private) supported me on this.
On a forum like this one - I wouldn't expect the support to be public.
Just got back from a shopping trip and saw this. I just had to open Brian's post to see what he posted.
I honestly do not remember the details of the post that caused me to decide to use the ignore button. It was a tragedy where a Christian family was responding to the loss of a daughter. I believe it was an auto accident but I honestly cannot remember. The pure hate for Christians and his ridicule of any and everything pertaining to faith caused my decision. The links above posted by others show the trend.
I am not encouraging Brian to leave. That is his decision and I have no desire to be part of the drama. I just choose not to read his posts just as I choose to avoid the stench of decaying meat.
So, Brian if I have offended you I will apologize. However, I have not changed my mind about the ignore feature and will do so as long as you continue to ridicule my beliefs. Please note, I have not and will not ask you to change how you believe. That is what freedom is all about. In some ways, I actually admire you. Many who suffer your disability would not be working as a productive part of society. That tells me you are an overcomer and that sits high on my list of positive traits.
I hope this is enough to allow the kids to open their Christmas presents. I would like his will be my last post on this subject. The ball is in your park.
Thanks for all the kind words of those who have supported me.
OK Scott,
The posts are running about 100 to 0 - in your favour on this one.
I expected that. Christians have always been good at circling the wagons - even when it's one of their own telling the lies.
Why you would ever fabricate a story about me delighting in the deaths of Christian children in a car accident? And then put that out on this forum - as a fact - it is beyond what little comprehension I might process.
Short of calling me a child-molester - I can't think of anything worse one man could write about another.
Not one "Christian" on this forum of took you task for what you now seem to admit - was a total fabrication - on your part. But pages are filled condemning me - for calling you out on it on the eve of the celebration of the birth of Jesus.
That's really very telling - to my way of thinking, anyways.
I guess if a Christian writes hate-filled total fabrications about a hated atheist - who would expect any Christian to side with the atheist - at least publicly?
I've always found it odd that when an atheist debates Christianity with believers - he's branded as "hate-filled" - just for partaking in the debate. Christians, it seems, are never hate-filled - when they debate atheists - even when they call for my early death or when they make up stories about me delighting in the deaths of innocent children. Odd that.
I'd accept your apology - if I thought it was sincere. To be sincere however - you would have to admit you made the whole story about me delighting in the death of a car full of Christians dying. And - you haven't done that.
I admire almost all of the words attributed to Jesus - while not accepting his divinity.
In the spirit of what Jesus was trying to teach humanity - about forgiveness - I'm just going to reconcile myself to the belief that you must have honestly thought I wrote such a hateful thing.
Whatever disability it is that you think I have - I don't believe it has ever caused me to fabricate stories about people in an effort to discredit them. I hope your God and your Jesus will forgive you for doing such a thing to me. The truth is supposed to matter to true Christians.
Thanks to those who have (in private) supported me on this.
On a forum like this one - I wouldn't expect the support to be public.
Why don't you just go away. That would be a wonderful Christmas gift to the entire forum.
Just got back from a shopping trip and saw this. I just had to open Brian's post to see what he posted.
I honestly do not remember the details of the post that caused me to decide to use the ignore button. It was a tragedy where a Christian family was responding to the loss of a daughter. I believe it was an auto accident but I honestly cannot remember. The pure hate for Christians and his ridicule of any and everything pertaining to faith caused my decision. The links above posted by others show the trend.
I am not encouraging Brian to leave. That is his decision and I have no desire to be part of the drama. I just choose not to read his posts just as I choose to avoid the stench of decaying meat.
So, Brian if I have offended you I will apologize. However, I have not changed my mind about the ignore feature and will do so as long as you continue to ridicule my beliefs. Please note, I have not and will not ask you to change how you believe. That is what freedom is all about. In some ways, I actually admire you. Many who suffer your disability would not be working as a productive part of society. That tells me you are an overcomer and that sits high on my list of positive traits.
I hope this is enough to allow the kids to open their Christmas presents. I would like his will be my last post on this subject. The ball is in your park.
Thanks for all the kind words of those who have supported me.
OK Scott,
The posts are running about 100 to 0 - in your favour on this one.
I expected that. Christians have always been good at circling the wagons - even when it's one of their own telling the lies.
Why you would ever fabricate a story about me delighting in the deaths of Christian children in a car accident? And then put that out on this forum - as a fact - it is beyond what little comprehension I might process.
Short of calling me a child-molester - I can't think of anything worse one man could write about another.
Not one "Christian" on this forum of took you task for what you now seem to admit - was a total fabrication - on your part. But pages are filled condemning me - for calling you out on it on the eve of the celebration of the birth of Jesus.
That's really very telling - to my way of thinking, anyways.
I guess if a Christian writes hate-filled total fabrications about a hated atheist - who would expect any Christian to side with the atheist - at least publicly?
I've always found it odd that when an atheist debates Christianity with believers - he's branded as "hate-filled" - just for partaking in the debate. Christians, it seems, are never hate-filled - when they debate atheists - even when they call for my early death or when they make up stories about me delighting in the deaths of innocent children. Odd that.
I'd accept your apology - if I thought it was sincere. To be sincere however - you would have to admit you made the whole story about me delighting in the death of a car full of Christians dying. And - you haven't done that.
I admire almost all of the words attributed to Jesus - while not accepting his divinity.
In the spirit of what Jesus was trying to teach humanity - about forgiveness - I'm just going to reconcile myself to the belief that you must have honestly thought I wrote such a hateful thing.
Whatever disability it is that you think I have - I don't believe it has ever caused me to fabricate stories about people in an effort to discredit them. I hope your God and your Jesus will forgive you for doing such a thing to me. The truth is supposed to matter to true Christians.
Thanks to those who have (in private) supported me on this.
On a forum like this one - I wouldn't expect the support to be public.
Why don't you just go away. That would be a wonderful Christmas gift to the entire forum.
nah. in all due respect, we want to hear from everyone, no matter which wing of the demopublican consortium is up to speak.
we arch conservatives know we are right, and this is our domain. We also want to hear from the messengers of the loyal opposition. they have a message, and they are attempting to communicate. if communication, and free trade breaks down, then what is left? war you say? surely not.
meanwhile, back at the ranch, what are our comparative advantages, in a global economy?
Funny, I'd take Scott's word as gold any day of the week. Obviously, his interpretation of whatever you posted (no, I'm not going to waste my time looking it up).
nah. in all due respect, we want to hear from everyone, no matter which wing of the demopublican consortium is up to speak.
we arch conservatives know we are right, and this is our domain. We also want to hear from the messengers of the loyal opposition. they have a message, and they are attempting to communicate. if communication, and free trade breaks down, then what is left? war you say? surely not.
meanwhile, back at the ranch, what are our comparative advantages, in a global economy? [/quote]
nah. in all due respect, we want to hear from everyone, no matter which wing of the demopublican consortium is up to speak.
we arch conservatives know we are right, and this is our domain. We also want to hear from the messengers of the loyal opposition. they have a message, and they are attempting to communicate. if communication, and free trade breaks down, then what is left? war you say? surely not.
meanwhile, back at the ranch, what are our comparative advantages, in a global economy? [/quote]
nah. in all due respect, we want to hear from everyone, no matter which wing of the demopublican consortium is up to speak.
we arch conservatives know we are right, and this is our domain. We also want to hear from the messengers of the loyal opposition. they have a message, and they are attempting to communicate. if communication, and free trade breaks down, then what is left? war you say? surely not.
meanwhile, back at the ranch, what are our comparative advantages, in a global economy?
What I know is this, and only this. All of my interactions with Scott F. have indicated a Gentleman of honor, courtesy and graciousness beyond reproach. I find such an attack beyond reproach, discourteous and truly mean spirited.
I truly hope that the individual in question would truly, and I mean truley look at his soul and himself and examine it critically.
And in that light, I wish you both a very Merry Christms and the Blessings of the Season,
i am a newer member, though i have been lurking around the fire for years and reading mostly cartridge wars and some of the more technical advice threads. usually, most of what's on the forums is at least a little interesting. i have no dog in this fight, except for the little one that shakes its head at the lack of decorum involved in such a forum topic. to call a man gutless and a liar...those are fighting words. they have been echoed by more than one person on more than one forum topic, and it's pretty low. more so, and sad, because these are comments coming from people who seem to be solid in their beliefs, each in their own way, solid enough that different opinions shouldn't matter.
i can find no value is such an attack. you only get to play a victim card a set number of times before someone says "enough." what i have read here boggles my mind, and the more i try to wrap my brain around it, the less i am able to. i keep coming back to this conclusion: if you feel you *must* make an attack, PM that person. or at most do it as a one time remark or reply. those would be better avenues to travel, than to create an entire forum post, especially one which is clearly meant to flame or insult. down where i'm from, we have a word for that: childish.
it's been pretty evident there are some members i don't agree with on these forums. some i think are downright, well, off. and i am sure that to some, i present the same image. but i can find no reason, even in my distaste for some, to create an entire forum even with the sole purpose of demonizing them or alienating the rest of my community. quite the contrary: their remarks, no matter how different and completely unhinged they may seem to me, constantly remind me to re-examine myself and my viewpoint. it's what keeps some semblence of balance.
i'll pray for you. i'll pray to my God for you. but if you prefer, i'll say a kind word to Buddha, Yahweh, Brahma the sacred cow, or the Great Pumpkin on your behalf. What i'll be praying for is peace for your inner soul. clearly there's a fire burning that can't be extinguished by normal means.
i wish you and your family the best time together. i wish you happiness and the kind of joy that only being in the company of loved ones can provide. i wish you, whether you choose to accept it, a Merry Christmas. and i extend the same to all the fire, be they friend or foe.
"Just another case of his hatred of anyone who has a different opinion or belief. Christians must be tolerant of his beliefs but he cannot repay in kind. His joy at seeing a Christian family destroyed in an auto accident earned him a ignore. If you all would just quit quoting him his hate would not contaminate my computer."
If he, or anyone else on this forum who'd like to see me leave - can find any post that shows any truth to what he has suggested - and I'll quit this forum - forever.
You'd think a true Christian would be above lying wouldn't you?
Obviously Scott F - is nothing but a lowly liar.
And - a sick sick mind.
"Proud" of yerself, now ?
I'm going to make a POINT of contacting your local RCL and getting a heads up on YOUR status, locally,...and POSTING that viewpoint,....here.
Nuf' said.
I'll tell you, up front,....you've really gone into harm's way on this one, little Commie.
You avoided me like the PLAGUE,....(the RCL viewpoint about YOU) the last time this came up.
Tis the season for forgiveness, especially for those that do not know they need it. Merry Christmas one and all.
I agree. And I apologized if I miss quoted him. It was his tone that upset me. I wish the man no harm. I just will not be responding to his hate messages. He is free to bash me or Christians all he wants. In free countries that is a right. I will not miss a moment�s sleep over his drivel. The links to his anti posts have been listed above. I will let those links stand as his statements on the subject.
It is a shame that you got sucked into this drama on Christmas Eve. I advise signing off and spending the rest of the holiday with your family before this episode puts a blemish on the day. A very merry Christmas to you and yours!
"Just another case of his hatred of anyone who has a different opinion or belief. Christians must be tolerant of his beliefs but he cannot repay in kind. His joy at seeing a Christian family destroyed in an auto accident earned him a ignore. If you all would just quit quoting him his hate would not contaminate my computer."
If he, or anyone else on this forum who'd like to see me leave - can find any post that shows any truth to what he has suggested - and I'll quit this forum - forever.
You'd think a true Christian would be above lying wouldn't you?
Obviously Scott F - is nothing but a lowly liar.
And - a sick sick mind.
Gentlemen handle disputes by PM. Drama queens post disputes for attention. GW
Either way it should be settled. With an; Apology by the Alleger or Confession by the Alledged
Which ever is true.
Than and again, we could all pass around a bottle of really cheap and vile booze, while feeding you head first into a big diesel powered CHUM machine,...couldn't we, "Chum" ?
Askin' something here,...have you EVER been welcome,...ANYWHERE ?
Looks doubtful, from this outpost, REALLY doubtful, Nanook.
Either way it should be settled. With an; Apology by the Alleger or Confession by the Alledged
Which ever is true.
Than and again, we could all pass around a bottle of really cheap and vile booze, while feeding you head first into a big diesel powered CHUM machine,...couldn't we, "Chum" ?
Askin' something here,...have you EVER been welcome,...ANYWHERE ?
Looks doubtful, from this outpost, REALLY doubtful, Nanook.
GTC
Slivovitz - oops NOT cheap! Dammmm Mark
PS Merry Christmas, Greg - and my best wishes for Gracie, the Grinner!
Either way it should be settled. With an; Apology by the Alleger or Confession by the Alledged
Which ever is true.
Than and again, we could all pass around a bottle of really cheap and vile booze, while feeding you head first into a big diesel powered CHUM machine,...couldn't we, "Chum" ?
Askin' something here,...have you EVER been welcome,...ANYWHERE ?
Looks doubtful, from this outpost, REALLY doubtful, Nanook.
GTC
Slivovitz - oops NOT cheap! Dammmm Mark
PS Merry Christmas, Greg - and my best wishes for Gracie, the Grinner!
Nice evening here,....this cold azzed wind's giving it up.
Looks like we'll get some chootin' in here, and will get an arty choot off on New Year's day !.
No one with a discernible shred of decency would start a thread with a header like " � is a liar! A gutless one too" about a fellow Campfire member � especially on Christmas Eve.
No one with a discernible shred of decency would start a thread with a header like " � is a liar! A gutless one too" about a fellow Campfire member � especially on Christmas Eve.
"Just another case of his hatred of anyone who has a different opinion or belief. Christians must be tolerant of his beliefs but he cannot repay in kind. His joy at seeing a Christian family destroyed in an auto accident earned him a ignore. If you all would just quit quoting him his hate would not contaminate my computer."
If he, or anyone else on this forum who'd like to see me leave - can find any post that shows any truth to what he has suggested - and I'll quit this forum - forever.
You'd think a true Christian would be above lying wouldn't you?
Obviously Scott F - is nothing but a lowly liar.
And - a sick sick mind.
I don't have time to read this whole thing. Suffice to say, Scott isn't a liar, lowly or otherwise. Nor is he gutless.
Most of the posters on the Fire lie to themselves all the time. This is the reason they are so frustrated. They have lived a lie for so long they can no longer recognize Truth.
They tend to view the world today as they had hoped for and wished it would turn out. They can't accept the fact that their prior actions led to what we have today. The fault always lays at another persons doorstep.
Tomorrow at the Christmas Dinner Table they will once again tell a big fat lie to to their families and friends all the while keeping a straight face and smirking under the cover of napkin over their mouths.
Words of wisdom right there, and very true. Most men truly do live lives of quiet desperation, as the old saying goes.
you know, i think i feel sympathy for the lives of desperation i see in the posting of some on here, and also pity. today I did what I have done for years, deliver candy/cookies made by my wife to retirees that had basically nobody left. One of those today was a 90 year old man, who I told to his face he was one of my guiding lights. His wife died a few years ago, she had had three broken hips in so many years, he was told to institutionalize her, refused, fed her at the hospital by hand three times a day, and eventually brought her home where he took care of her 24/7 days a week. She was partially paralized at that point. Eventually she died in his arms.
He reads the bible every day, prays for ME every day, and probably is one of the nicest men i have ever met. We were discussing athiests, and agnostics today, and what fools they may be. And i see one of the quotes on this thread, you can't argue with a fool.
I think that the timing of this type of thread is suspicious, and that gives me a clue as to the fellow up north. Pity him, and ignore him, I think is the best thing to do. He can wallow in his own sadness. It is better to live a life of belief than nonbelief if for nothing else what belief brings one. He will find out the truth someday like we all do.
We also discussed the fact that the evil one is alive and well in this world, as i think it is plain to see. One should do there best to stay with the light so to speak, and ignore the other side.
It's OK to invent a story - a really vicious one - and even if you go so far as to say someone delights in the death of innocent children - without so much as a shred of evidence - all will be forgiven - that is, if you say you are a Christian.
If you call the person out, for saying the lies about you publicly - and do so in a public manner - you will, if you are an atheist - be castigated for using the approach you did.
The truth just doesn't matter any more.
I learned so much from this thread.
Now - I'll try not to make the same mistakes.
Any lesson worth learning comes with a price.
Next time someone invents lies about me - I'll write a private memo to that person - or ignore them - or turn the other cheek.
A great man once wrote about the wisdom in turning the other cheek.
I hope I can learn to be man enough - to heed his words.
Brian, if you think someone has slandered you, making a big stink about it serves only to further publicize the slander. this thread has put the post that offended you in front of thousands of people who neither knew nor cared about it otherwise.
bad form, and bad timing. now let it die for Gaia's sake.
It's OK to invent a story - a really vicious one - and even if you go so far as to say someone delights in the death of innocent children - without so much as a shred of evidence - all will be forgiven - if you say you are a Christian.
If you call the person out, for saying the lies about you publicly - and do so in a public manner - you will, if you are an atheist - be castigated for using the approach you did.
The truth just doesn't matter any more.
I learned so much from this thread.
Now - I'll try not to make the same mistakes.
Any lesson worth learning comes with a price.
Next time someone invents lies about me - I'll write a private memo to that person - or ignore them - or turn the other cheek.
A great man once wrote about the wisdom in turning the other cheek.
I hope I can learn to be man enough - to heed his words.
I really don't think this was ever about Scott or anything he said. This appears very much to be about insecurity and a trumped up overblown excuse to take the opportunity on Christmas to espouse your Atheism and to disparage Christians. Why don't you just go enjoy your family and try to be a happier person
I've changed the title to better reflect what I should have said all along.
I hope I can be forgiven by those whom I offended by casting aspirations at Scott F - who by all accounts here - is a fine and upstanding man.
I hope this thread can now be put to sleep.
Way to go Brian.. And I apologize for giving you grief a few weeks back.. But that doesn't mean I won't do it again.. Happy Holiday's to you and your family..
I really don't think this was ever about Scott or anything he said. This appears very much to be about insecurity and a trumped up overblown excuse to take the opportunity on Christmas to espouse your Atheism and to disparage Christians.
On Christmas Day in 1944, in the Ardennes Forest, the Germans and Americans took a pause from the hostilities of the day, exchanging wishes to one another for a Merry Christmas. Some even exchanged small gifts.
If WWII was able to come to a stop, albeit a brief one, to embrace the true message of Christmas, why can't we do the same here?
Most men truly do live lives of quiet desperation, as the old saying goes
My belief is that "quiet desperation" is a luxury afforded to those who ain't suffering "real desperation", as can be abundantly found in the Third World Hellholes of the world.
I mean even stuffy, reclusive ol' HD Thoreau, who coined the term while taking his extended vacation on Walden Pond, pretty much knew where his next meal was coming from, did not have to worry about a starving wife and kids, and lived in no apprehansion of murder at any time by drug cartels, outlaw mlitia, or other assorted cutthroats and bandits.
Furthermore Thoreau coined the term based upon the example of a farmer, heavily in debt, while failing to recognise the fact that the food surplus provided by such individuals even then allowed him to basically do jack for several months while sitting out in a shack in the woods.
Whats up with that anyway? He weren't an old man, had a quiet hut in the woods, yet NEVER wrote about buying some booze and having chicks over
Mostly he talked smack about the Irish, so he's been on my hit list for a while now
I normally try and avoid these threads because nothing is ever resolved. But I'm making an exception in this case because I've read a lot of what BC posts and most of what Scott posts. Based on their posts, and the unassailable reputations of the folks who are four-square behind Scott as a person and a Christian, I'm going to add my vote of confidence in Scott as well. It may cause more harm than good, because it's me offering my support, but, I feel moved to speak up for Scott. I believe he's a good man and his word is his bond. Additionally, I've never read a post of his that I didn't believe was God's honest truth.
Isaiah 5:20 ..... Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
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