TEXAS IS LOSING THE WAR ON FERAL HOGS

Wonder if lowering the price on hog hunts would make a difference?

We’ve been “losing the war” for a long time now! As the article states, they are very prolific breeders. And smart too. Put some pressure on them, they go nocturnal. Or move only to return as soon as the pressure eases. And I believe TX Parks & Wildlife has severely underestimated their numbers. Crop damage has grown exponentially. Not to mention damage to suburban areas.
There were no hogs at our Ranch along the Brazos River in N.TX in the 1970’s.

Money is more important

Wonder if Colorado would do the same?
Naah. Didn’t think so 😜

Hanco can retire and get rich running hog hunts.

How many thousands in state registration guide fees, lowyer releases, land owner releases, fed state county liability insurance programs payments to united nations, etc i dont know.

GW and Hanco have done their part, but 2 aint gonna git it done.

clearly, the only logical response at this late date in the development of the vorld is to re-do the ecosystem?

that is, in areas of the world where there's an excess supply of predators such as bobcats, mtn lions (panter's), wolves and bears there must be a redistribution program placed into effect, and it need's to be implemented now.

with enough predators from a diverse population of predators, the right combination can be determined, and then implemented.

what is it that will predate on hogs, and where are they located? where is there an available supply? who can begin shipments to the area that help is needed?
this ain't rocket science. the werner von braun types aren't needed for the solution to this issue.

the bio-chemists are lurking in the background as we speak. no tellin' what kind of lab developed virus focused on the hog population they could come up with if the grants were large enough. we could have defeated the fire ants, but chose not to. far more money made in fighting fire-ants than eliminating fire ants.

What the guides and leaseholders like to charge for a hog hunt, you'd think the hogs were an exotic critter. Couple of did a "Guided Hunt" in the San Antonio area few years ago, what a rip.

I killed four this past deer season after I took the deer I wanted, but you'd never know it.

A number of years ago I caught a debilitating illness after unknowingly cutting my hand while cleaning the skull of a wild hog. Was a very sharp knife. Three specialists couldn't agree on what I had for sure, but it took over nine months to get over it. Therefore I don't mess with the things anymore. If I shoot one I leave it lay. Unfortunately, doing that feeds other hogs

They have increased in numbers and keep us busy grading the dirt roads.

One plus is that the snake population seems lower the last year or so.

Killing hogs is complex.

As long as Texans continue to view them as a cash crop and not an invasive species, this ain't gonna change. I understand the farmers gotta make a buck where they can, but they charge for these shoots-don't call it a hunt as it's not, like someone's after a Boone and Crockett buck.

Me and my landowner buddy probably kill 100 hogs per year, each. You can rent every helicpoter in the State of TX and you still won't kill them all, or exterminate them. Nothing short of poison will do it, and then you risk killing everything. It's a no win situation IMO.

maybe we humans are just somehow misunderstanding the intent of the various wild hogs as they "roothog or die." that is, they're just trying to feed themselves, their offspring and find shelter in a storm.

when wildhogs move into the subdivisions at night and root up the landscaping, and retreat into the forested swamps during the day they're just trying to blend into the landscape in which they find themselves.

making money off of hunting is a good thing, even hunting vermin with a year round open season.

i have given thought to hiring on to a suburban homeowners assoc. as a contractor to help with the pig problem, deer also. but the pay scale was a bit low.

probably i could have made more by setting up as a "hunting guide" and selling my services to well-heeled hunters with a desire to collect a hog.

i doubt that the suburban soccer moms who dearly love stray cats and stray pitbull mixes would allow a wholesale elimination of the wildhog problem.

What about the.....LIBERAL HOGS??????????

Obammy pretty much defunded USDA APHIS... (Wildlife damage control)

I wonder if Trump has revitalized their budget?

Bingo. Thank God no hogs here, but would LOVE to blast one or two. Places in surrounding areas here are asking ridiculous fees. I understand the liability and all that but it's damn near the same price as a deer hunt. Butchering fees,c'mon man. $100. I'll shoot the pig and drag it off your property and do it all myself.

hunting aen't going to put a dent in, it will take finding a poison that can be used some what safely.

I’m killing all I can. I’m going the 19th for threes days. I hope to get a bunch. This litter had 8 females in bunch of 13.

Winner Winner Chicken Dinner !

i have a buddy that charges that on his place.

I dunno,,,,,

I’d rather have the hogs than new peoples coming here.

there is that. if locals were allowed to authorize their own animal control within their perimeters, and paid for locally might be a start?

those who don't want hogs could provide assistance toward their control.

different groups could combine interests & forces to effect positive change.

what we seem to have here is that everyone is crying but noone has a solution.

local control is just that. it's a local control of an issue that needs controlling.

private sector entreprenuers can play an important role. they should participate.

Agreed Bob!

I'm in Central Texas but I'd welcome the chance to drive and get a break for a minute. Pm me anytime. I'm down.

I got pretty good amount of work the next couple weeks but when i get a break i'll set something up with Heath.

There ain’t near the hogs here in the creekbottom we had 5 years ago.

Yep.

Meskins.

Tamales.

No acorns or pecans ?

No doubt Barry! 😜

Plenty of both. Berdoll has a 50 acre (or more) pecan orchard I can see from my front door. Not counting the all the native trees and old stand bottoms. I think they do a pretty good job on the pig control tho.

Prolly Barry’s comment rings more true. They just stopped coming around. I was always trapping shoats. Havent trapped any since 2014 here on the place.

Son still has em. But not like I’ve seen em in the past.

No hurry, keep me posted. I need to start planning a getaway.👍

The local pecan crop here was devastated this year. Hardly any.
You’ll have to bring your ole smokepole up here sometime and kill some!

Son love the hogs to come thru and clean out the post oak acorns when there is a big crop. Keeps the cows from picking up too many.

I hate the situation that Texas finds itself in, but I have killed so many of the damned things that I really have no desire to ever shoot another one. The thought of paying money to kill one will never enter my head.

So far, they seem to have adapted to and/or become immune to just about anything that might kill enough of them to make a difference at the population level. Trapping and shooting seems to be the most efficient means of removal, but from a population standpoint, they are winning that competition as well.

I don't pretend to know the answer, but I hope it surfaces somewhere, somehow--and soon.

I hate the situation that Texas finds itself in, but I have killed so many of the damned things that I really have no desire to ever shoot another one. The thought of paying money to kill one will never enter my head.

So far, they seem to have adapted to and/or become immune to just about anything that might kill enough of them to make a difference at the population level. Trapping and shooting seems to be the most efficient means of removal, but from a population standpoint, they are winning that competition as well.

I don't pretend to know the answer, but I sure hope that it surfaces somewhere, somehow--and soon.

+1

We don’t have any oak trees so no acorns. Never had to worry about the cows getting into them. 🤠

A few years ago I offered poor boy hog hunts in the Classifieds here on this forum with Rickbin blessing. I about wore my PM message board out answering stupid questions that were answered in the ad. I wasn’t going to make a dime from it....just pay the Landowner and pay for the corn. It was, I think, 450 bucks for a party of three for three days with return priveliges if you didn’t get at least one hog.

Never got the first deposit of a hundred bucks.

I only offered it because of reading posts just like the ones on this thread.

Never again. My ad clearly stated that there was no guarantee you would even get a shot at a hog. That can happen to you on the high fence places where they buy and release hogs.

I’m reasonably certain that I could leave the house right now and have a hog killed by sundown and that’s with no feeders going. But I wouldn’t bet a hundred dollars on it. My FIL said it best..” a hog is just like a Nigra, he’s as well off one place as another.”

Anything we find to poison the hogs will have the eco terrorists on us like chicken on a June bug...


Look what happened to Compound 1080 for coyote control.

At the time it was removed, Compound 1080 accounted for 80% of coyote control. The sheep and goat ranchers were thriving. The govt crumbles to the environmentalists, and within 2 decades sheep and goat ranching is a rarity.

Everything is political now.

PREZACTLY!

And Trump needs to kill the EPA too !

The major problem with 1080 was that it kills everything indiscriminately. It was almost impossible to use it in baits without significant losses of non target animals--and it was even broadcast from aircraft over large areas of public lands in the west. Some biologists credit the latter application for the explosion of deer herds throughout the west in the 1950s and early 1960s. The Nixon administration curtailed its use in broadcast baits in the early 1970s, and along with increases in "non consumptive" use of public lands (mainly people hiking with their pets--but also deaths of non target wildlife), that pretty much put the nail in the coffin of "coyote getters."

A toxicant that is fatal to the pigs, without adversely affecting other wildlife is the "holy grail," and there are a lot of folks looking for it.

There are lots looking for it indeed.

Can you imagine the projected sales?

Rewards are high. Incentives are high.

Go check out Craigslist.

Couldn't agree more. People would rather whine and cry about it not being free than man-up and write a check, even a small one, for accessing private property. A something for nothing mentality.

What changed?

50 years ago youi never heard abouit hogs overrunning Texas.

Find out what changed and fix THAT.

the hogs became distributed throughout the major water drainage systems throughout.

they did it naturally on their own, and maybe some help from various interested outsiders?

i mean, hogs have had their supporters over the years.

and some want them to become game animals.

game animals can bring in revenue.

revenue is very good for some.

what predates on hogs?

stop killing predators of hogs?

Breeding and habitat expansion.

Been trying to fix it for awhile.

Its like the Leafy Spurge epidemic.

You will not fix the hog problem by hunting them.The only way to solve this is with poison.

All my life I’d always heard there were wild hogs in Llano County. From folks free ranging pigs in the old days. I asked old family friend who owns over 2200 acres in south Llano county how long hogs been on their place. He said at least 150 years. Ever since his family owned it. Its wild and wooly country and even now secluded with lots of box canyons, cliffs and such. Rough country in general.

If one was to ask me, I think the proliferation of wild game feeders had something to do with it. But I could be full of crap. We never had feeders growing up. If you would have told me 30-35 years ago I’d trap wild hogs on my place, I’d said you was crazy.

Actually it was caused by a woman (can't remember her name) that was in charge of the TX wildlife under Governor Ann (Maw) Richards. This woman in an attempt to shut down hunting, started encouraging land owners to charge outrageous fees to hunt on their property. They gave classes on how to raise deer and charge large trophy fees. She was pretty successful at it and now it is almost impossible to find a place to hunt that the average working guy can afford if he has a couple of kids. Want to hunt a vermin hog? Most places want a hefty fee for that too and I won't pay it. Let them beg for help!

^^^this^^^

BULLSCHITT!!!

Yeah, it is.

Ranchers were leasing hunting rights way before Ann Richards became goobernor.

Yep +1.

That's and interesting theory I hadn't considered.

Yeah and some for a hefty hunk of change.

their population reached the explosion stage in the 80s.

Bob, guess nobody here ever saw the movie “Old Yeller” 🤠

Seems if there was really a hog problem it would be free to kill them. When they become a big enough problem there will be no fees to hunt them, or the landowner will be willing to pay to have them killed. JMO

My old boxer got hawg cut here in the yard one night!!!!

Heck Fred Gipson was from only one county over from Llano! Mason county!!!

Yup!!!

I was talking to a National Parks Service archeologist just this morning.

According to him part of the reason for relocating the five San Antonio Missions here in the first half of the 18th Century was the local pre-existing abundance of feral cattle and feral pigs.

I doubt it. One could say they already are and have been a big problem and that hasn't happened yet to any significant degree.

Wouldn’t surprise me Mike.

😁

Why would it cost three people $450 to shoot pigs?

The wild hog population will decrease in direct proportion to the number of illegals into the country and the advance of Communism into American society.

Those folks who were starved to death during the Communist initiated holodomor in the Ukraine didn't have a wild hog problem.

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Makes sense!!!

According to the journal of Governor Alonzo de Leon the only thing to prosper out of the abandoned French post on Garcitas creek (Ft. St. Louis) were the settler’s hogs. Upon his arrival at the site in 1690 he stated the pigs were everywhere!

I've killed many hundreds of them and have given up.

~We Don't Rent Pigs!~

Blame it on the French!!!

We’re gonna start calling you Augustus! 😜

Yep 😬

I would bet the vast majority of Texas landowners suffer nothing from hogs being around.

Lol, at least you can shoot the hogs when they piss you off aye.........

Probably true. Or just don't care.

Many ranchers I know hate 'em for tearing up the land, but don't really do anything about it.

If there was a poison to put out and stop it, they probably would though.

Buzzards would be happy.

I believe there is a lot of truth in this statement.

And eat ‘em!

hmmm? maybe the existing laws are just a bit too restrictive?

i mean, could we relax some of the laws, given sufficient support?

double post deleted......

I can't prove it, but I think that the primary cause for the population explosion is that somehow feral hog populations developed an immunity to hog cholera.

In the late 1960s and early 1970s, I worked for Texas Agricultural Experiment Station--mostly in south Texas, but also for a couple of years in east Texas. At that time, feral hogs were not really abundant anywhere. Most of them in east Texas were ear-marked, meaning that they had been trapped and marked by someone who claimed ownership. In the early fall, hog traps would be set up and baited. The shoats that were captured would be earmarked and the adults culled for winter meat. It was unusual to encounter an adult hog "in the wild" that was not earmarked.

During this time feral hog populations in south Texas waxed and waned in a "boom and bust" cycle. They would get abundant everywhere for a two or three years, then hog cholera would spread through the populations like wildfire. After the resultant die-off, there wouldn't be many hogs anywhere for another few years, until the populations rebounded. These "boom and bust" population cycles were well documented.

I left Texas in 1977 for a job at Kansas State University, then subsequently worked in Nebraska for a few years. I went back to the Texas and worked for the General Land Office for a few years in the mid-1980s and then left again for a job in Colorado. I think that feral hogs in south Texas has begun to be a problem by about that time, but my responsibilities were with the management of State Lands in far west Texas, so hogs weren't really on my radar.

By 1990, articles about the "scourge' of feral hogs had started to appear in the technical literature. I spent several years reading these accounts, but I naively assumed that hog cholera would eventually make a comeback and the problem would subside until the next population "boom." As as often been the case, I was wrong.

After a few more years, I started corresponding with wildlife biologists in Texas with whom I had worked, and I realized that the "boom and bust" cycles were a thing of the past. Since then, I have made several abortive attempts to try and pinpoint when, where and how hog cholera had no longer become the factor controlling populations of feral hogs. However, I had a job that was more than full-time, so I never was able to even figure out exactly where to start. I figured that I would get back to it when I "retired", but my retirement years have been spent doing consulting on other natural resource issues and solutions outside of Texas, so I am no more knowledgeable about the subject now than I was 15 or so years ago.

Nonetheless, I am convinced that somewhere, somehow, feral hogs developed an immunity to hog cholera--one that could be genetically passed on--and I believe that is what has led to the problems that plague us today

They will come along and root out the cotton seed after we plant cotton. You’d think the herbicide on the seed would kill them or at least make them sick. But it evidently has no effect.
We stopped planting wheat and oats because they would just destroy it.

That would make some sense! Wonder if TAMU AG Dept has done any studies on it ?

Ben,

The old rancher friend said same thing about hog cholera. He said it made a dent in their wild hogs but no where close to wiping them out. He also thought their pigs were a bit more geographically isolated from other pigs.

This is right on point.

Many land owners would rather put up with the nuisance part of having hogs around than having the nuisance of opening up your land to everyone and their brother-in-law who feel that they "deserve" to hunt the hogs for free. Many landowners with hogs allow hunting for free, but its granted to people that the landowner knows and trusts. That is a sad scenario for hunters in general that is often hunter created, but it is a realistic situation for many land owners who get burned by opening up their land to just anyone.

My experience was that it was just something else to bitch about.

Some occasional fence mending that would have otherwise not have happened but nothing major by any stretch.

Gus, there isn't any laws, concerning pig hunting, in Tx. Shoot them 24/7/365 from aircraft, over feed, in traps, etc. Just dont shoot them from a public road.

Why would a landowner allow dimwits he doesn't know to roam around his land for free?

For shooting hogs or newcomers?

There are lots of guys here that I would gladly let hunt hogs on my place for free. There are also other self entitled folks that don't have enough money to step foot on my place. I have killed at least one hog every day for the last week. Shot into a group of 5 large sows and 10-15 shoats the other night killing a sow. What we need are machine guns. Do I think I am getting ahead of the hog population? No way. They breed faster than I can kill them. I took several hogs to a buyer one day and there was a sow in the cage giving birth. Just as soon as she was done a boar in the same cage mounted her. There will be no hog control until they find a way to keep them from breeding.

Jim

One guy’s fee was to go to Rick for the advertising. The next guy’s fee was to go to the Landowner. That left 150 bucks to buy corn. I was only going to allow three groups that would hunt between the end of deer season and the opening of turkey season. That would be from the first of January to the end of March.By letting the pastures rest almost a month between groups, nine guys could have killed quite a few hogs most likely.

Do you have any idea how much I’ve paid to hunt Mule Deer and Antelope in N.M., Co. , and Mt. over the years? Or pheasants in S.D.?

People ain't hungry

Seems fair to me.

It's his land. He can decide what's more important to him. Getting the most people to come remove pigs from his property, or receiving compensation from other to enjoy the natural resources occurring on his property.

Heck, if he guides us to the pigs to maximize our opportunities for harvest and enjoyment, I'd call it money well spent.

If there was someplace around here where I could fill up my pickup with pigs for $150 a day, I'd happily pay it, and tip the land owner.

I don’t know. Outside of Texas they’ve been letting this dimwit, his friends and family do it for a couple decades.

All I’ve ever been told is “thanks for coming out.” Never been charged a dime.

I was just asking.

If they’re a problem why would you charge anybody anything? Just let them on and tell them where to go.

If you’ve paid for guides I don’t begrudge. Just asking why Texans charge for what appears to be a favor to the landowner.

That's the kind of attitude that a guy should have IMO. If someone doesn't like the LO's rules, stay home. Pretty simple. You'd sure never have any problem with any landowner I've ever knows here. I've known the landowner on our mule deer ranch for almost 30 years, and have hunted there 16 years now. He's charged us, including myself, every year. It's expected.

I am NOT being argumentative, but if you conduct yourself in person the way you do here sometimes (especially the foul language) you'd be gone from many of the places I've hunted immediately. Some LO's don't care, but lots of them I know do, especially with family around. I may be a TX landowner mentality, but that's the way it is, like it or not.

I have no idea what you're babbling about.

My neighbor, the Landowner, didn’t come to me bitching about the hogs on his place. Guys on this forum were bitching, just like now, about hog hunting costing too much.

Most private land in Texas that has hogs also has deer and the deer hunters lease it year round in most cases around here.

I damn sure wasn’t gonna let a bunch of guys I didn’t know hunt in the pastures I paid ten bucks an acre for hunting rights.

That’s why I was offering them different pastures.

One time we happened t be eating lunch with the landowner of our mule deer place, with his wife and kids. We had two paying hunters there we were guiding from Ohio (lawyers) there too. After the third GD out of one of their mouths, the landowner escorted both of them and their gear to the gate. Thier hunt lasted just over half of one day.

The obvious answer is some are willing to pay. That and they are leery of strangers and slob hunters on their property. They probably assume those who won't pay more likely fit the latter category.

Ok.

That's what I was saying to begin with. They're not a problem for the vast majority of Texas landowners.

Despite some claims that they are.

What a neat story.

I'm sure somebody somewhere believes it.

I'm fine with that.

I'm just asking because I have hunted private land in North Carolina, Illinois, Montana, and Maryland with nothing more than a polite asking and a handshake. If the landowner drank I would leave cases of beer or booze on his porch unannounced.

I never felt I was owed the privilege of hunting. I just find it odd that Texans are so uptight about everything.

That would be you most likely, thumbing your way back home because some TX landowner made you hit the road. Like Gringo said.......those that expect free hunting here are likely slob hunters.

BTW, that EXACT thing happened to Ted Nugent about 12 years ago on the neighboring ranch, a mere 120,000 acres. He booted Nugent off his property muy pronto due to foul mouth.

I should add that I did hunt pheasant for free up in the panhandle when I lived in TX. But there was a connection to that landowner. Friend of a friend and a group hunt type situation. But they didn't charge and were great hosts.

I still don't know what you're babbling about.

No landowner has ever sent me thumbing my way anywhere. All they've ever done is invite me back.

I have never expected anything from any landowner.

It’s very believable.

WOW!!!!!!!!

To you maybe.

I knew you were just here to do a little trolling and threadkilling. Nice work.

Been awhile since we have deer hunted in Texas and I remember LO telling us to stay away from circle and star in it as was a cyanide bomb for coyotes. Had a 1/2 mile long fence of hanging yotes. Something of the past? Would it work on Hogs? Outlawed?

Could it possibly be because I know a damn sight more about West Texas Landowners than you?

Very possible.

All I did was ask straightforward questions.

You started babbling about some hunter that said GD once upon a time in front of a kid or some schit.

Best I can tell my original point stands. Hogs are not a problem for the vast majority of Texas landowners.

I have been to TX 3 times pig hunting and really enjoy it. If any of you guys in TX need a partner for a week or so of hunting let me know. I can camp out in my truck and meet up with you guys. I am basically retired and with a few days notice could be down there. If you guys would need help with chores during the day I would be glad to help to earn my keep. I have plenty of 6.8 SPC 120gr SSTs loaded up and while I do not have a thermal. I do have a Sightmark Photon that does a decent job at night.Thanks

Bill

Google Jim Wheat, Winkler County TX landowner full of oil wells. He caught two yankees trespassing (quail hunting) on his place. He killled one dead as a hammer, and had mercy on the other. Look it up.

my great uncle started the pheasants up there in the 1930s, Roger's side of the family, they own lots of land in Bailey county and around Sudan Tx. hunted pheasants up there when i was a kid.

Hogs are likely not a problem, which has been established. Another is that you don't read very well.

My brother in law has been shooting hobs North of Plains TX.and to date has killed over 150 hogs in 18 months.

He has been going at night after hanging cameras to get an idea of their travel lines.

Where this place is there are only a few mesquite trees and a large flat of chinnery not much over knee high.

The hogs get in that stuff and they disappear.
Thermal helps a bunch.

Roger, that's where my mom grew up. Like you, I hunted there on aunt's and uncle's places. Pheasant hunting was pretty good most of the time.

LMAO.

This has what to do with what?

Texas and proud really don't mix.

You're solid proof of that.

All my dads family is from there and Amherst/ Littlefield, i'll be up there this summer to visit my uncle who is a yr older than me.

Night vision scopes are hell on hogs. Two of my buddies have them. Too high dollar for me.

Not too far from where we hunted. Their farm was in Friona.

DYNAMITE hunting. Absolute dynamite. And this is coming from a guy that has hunted COCK in South Dakota, Nebraska, and Montana.

Stop fugkin' around with those pitbulls and get you a real dog.

My buddy has gotten into those things for coyote calling in northern Illinois.

It has been very effective. And calling dogs around there isn't real easy.

Farmer/rancher crying out to the world: "Somebody help me, these hawgs are tearin' up muh proputee!!!!"

Man drives by the farmer/ranchers gate: "Sir, I noticed your land is tore up by the hogs, can I hunt.."

"NO!!!!!!!!" screams the farmer/rancher

Reminds me of the girl on the side of the road with her hood open.




"Can I have five dollah for da bus ticket home?"

"How about I just look at your car and see if I can get it started."

"Nah, nah. That ok. We coo'. We coo'."

Wheat must be kin to Johnny Loco...

I had a landowner ask me to take out hogs when I saw them. I did not solicit him to do so first. His pasture is across the road from our place. I said I'd be happy to do it, but he would need to grant me written permission to access his land and do it. He balked at that. I said I can't shoot across his fence without written permission, but even then, couldn't do it because it would be considered hunting from the road and a warden could cite me for it. Wouldn't grant access. So I call him when I see hogs and let him deal with it. It's funny though, I wasn't asking to hunt on his property. Merely, that if he wanted me to shoot hogs when I see them, that I be able to cross the fence and shoot them legally.

Oh I get it.

Those Texans are a hoot.

One of my favorite varmint spots in MT was owned by an old timer. He passed and I didn't dare bother his family for a couple years asking to shoot gophers or call dogs. But his neighbor told me who was managing the sections one spring and I looked him up in the phone book.

Four fuggin' years I hunted that place without ever meeting the guy. He was in his early 30's. I'd call and he'd say "Oh sure Travis, just please don't shoot the cows. You're always welcome."

Never even fugkin' met the guy!



Travis

Good thing you didn't.

(spit beer)

LMAO

So...you're like a telemarketing moocher...

Another incredible spot I had up there. One of their pastures was infested with gophers but also loaded with cattle.

I explained I wouldn't go in there because of all the cattle.

Landowner's reply? "If you can't tell a cow from a gopher I'm going to have to ask you to leave."

Therein lies the rub. Some guys will shoot the cows, litter, leave gates open, loosen the barbwire climbing through or over fences, shoot toward the house, invite friends and relatives, etc. I absolutely get the hesitation by landowners. It wasn't always this way in TX though. There was a time when landowners were more relaxed and granted access. It isn't the good old days here anymore. Of course, some still grant access, but being a perfect stranger makes it almost a nil chance. You gotta know them or someone else vouch for you.

Uh-oh.

One of Texas' finest showed up.

LMAO.

Texas is full of ass holes.

Period.

That was back before the Yankees showed up. 😜

We don't wear an apron during the day, like a lady, and cold call telemarket at night, like a lady, while people are trying to eat...like you.

The biggest a-holes in Texas sure as hell ain't the yankees.

It's the Texans.

You fugkers have the charisma of a snow tire.

^^^Hey Texas! ^^^

^^^Here's one of your Texans!^^^

^^^^^^....kicking your azz.....^^^^^^

Oh yeah man.

You prove me wrong with each and every post.

You should be Texas proud for sure.

Only phaggs use the "proud" word in their speech.

There's that Texas education shining through again.

Third time today I believe.

That was "4" in this thread alone, not "3"....perhaps I'm more educated than you, being you can't count...

we don't claim him.....

^^^Texas proud. ^^^

Is he not a Texan?

don't act like any i know.

I'm gonna have to disagree with you on that one Rog.

On to good things. Snapper fishing... Do you usually use shrimp for bait or are there other more better options? I have a hard time keeping that schit on the hook. And what size hook do you usually use?

Oh fuuuuuuck

my buddy has numbers on a sunk head boat a few miles offshore, squid for bait, don't take long to get a limit. calm days 2-3 ft can run out in a bay boat. i'll have to check hook size in the morning got that stuff in the storage room, but not real large hooks want to say 6-7/0.

God damnit I almost bough some squid instead this morning. Oh well. I'll go back.

Killer spot. They're there but my line was snapping and all kinds of schit was going on. LMAO.

squid stays on the hook much better than swimps.

Indeed.

Amazing how people self-elevate themselves into being a big shot on the innanet with worldly rights to judge someone they’ve never met or know.

You go girl.

You’re a badazz on the innanet.

WAT???

Yeah but you're a bad ass in real life.

So we're even.

Which part of Texas do you live in by the way?

All of it.

Are you stxhunter sock puppet account, being you're answering a comment directed at him?

Too much beer allow you to get confused, and answer on the wrong account?

Your kghunt seems swollen.

Go find you a lesbian.

Don't be insulting. Everybody knows the stxhunter account is my sock puppet. The Deflave one belongs to Bristoe.

This jackleg is giving Roger schit??


Hmmmmm

SWOLLEN KGHUNT!!!!!!!

Swollen kghunt...sounds like a Samuel L. Jackson movie. In these here parts we don't allow no swollen kghunts.

So you are a sock puppet account.

Makes since. Man with no balls. Maybe it's you who is the lezz.

Haha!


Hmmmmm.....SLJ is very versatile.

Get your schit right....I've never given anyone schit unless they started it first.

I try to always start shixt first. Is your name Mona?

It's evident your public school education failed you, and your real life education failed you even worse.

Wish I could follow this a bit farther, but it's apparently degenerated into a "pie supper" of people that I have on ignore...

Low IQ ex-government employee attempts to make a worthwhile intelligent post.

I meant your first name, not your last.

Swinging dick..

Now where's JohnnyLoco.

You don't know what you meant. That's what happens when you make a stupid comment. You look stupid.

That's because I'm not an internet troll.

Congratulations.....that's about the third time you've posted that.

Shows you have some pretty serious mental issues you are forced to deal with, being you keep that saved away in a folder for that "special time" when you decide you need to post it. I bet you piss down your leg when you post it.

Thanks for the laugh.

You're quite the entertaining troll.

Hehehe......he must be some sort of cruel Samoan.

Was that only the third time.

This post is how I remember you. It's your avatar of sorts. I don't save it in a folder. I just google it.

Atleast you remember a statement based on truth, Colorado relies on tourism and hunting for the majority of their state revenue.

Your attempt to utilize a "factual" statement to embarrass me only shows you for the fool you are.

You're delusional.

I'm only delusional to the mentally sick trolls, like you....and glad I am.

You've accomplished quite the feat in your retirement years....Master Internet Troll.

Retirement's been a bore, thank goodness I have this place.

We don't claim ass-holes.

Perhaps you can give us just one firm example of that?

My neighbors sure as hell don't speak for me anymore than I speak for them...

So one person you may have heard of was complaining about hogs, and that instantly makes that landowner legally speak for every other landowner that may have hogs on their place?

That's a pretty ignorant stand to take.

Why let people on the property to kill em, Government to the rescue.

[img]http://Washington County Feral Hog Abatement Cost-Share Program Landowner Request Form
**November 1, 2017 – January 15, 2018**
Name: __________________________________________________________
Please Print
Property Address: _____________________________________________ Property Address: _____________________________________________
Email: ____________________________________________________
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Phone #: _____________________ Phone #: _____________________
Description of Damages: _______________________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________________________ _________________________________________________________________________________
Print Claimant Name
Signature of Claimant
Sworn to and Subscribed before me ______________________________, Notary Public in and for the State of Texas this ______day of ____________________, _________(year).
WAIVER OF LIABILITY
I _______________________________ do hereby solemnly swear, under penalty of perjury, that all information
This is where the waiver of liability will be.
provided herein is true and correct. ________________________________________________
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OFFICIAL USE ONLYLandowner payment______________ Payment Method_______________
County Certifier or Authorized Official: _____________________________________ Received by County Treasurer's Office by: ____________________________________
Date_________
Date: ____________ Date: _____________
Funds are limited and requests will be honored on a first come, first serve basis. During the initial timeframe only one request per landowner will be accepted.
Landowner assistance will be coordinated with Texas Wildlife Services and scheduling will be agreed upon by the landowner and the Wildlife Services Representative.
This Form may be Duplicated
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You can't kill enough hogs by hunting/trapping to keep up with their breeding program.

I think hogs like to fuuck!!

All over my county up by the Red River: new folks move here from the DFW Metromess and the next thing they know their land gets visited by piggies and they start crying about it. Somebody will suggest letting some local hunters with dogs come in and hunt them. City-slicker landowners invariably freak out at that solution and insist on somebody from "The Government" (whoever that is) coming in to remedy their problem.

Some feral piglets I found on our property several years ago. Momma pig tried to lead me away from her brood.

Stompin' material!

Good Times!

I’m not in TX, across the river north. Anytime I’ve ever asked to get on a place I’ve seen pigs I’ve received the same answer, “kill them all”. Every guy I know who owns a cow or a plow hates them and complains about them constantly. I think pigs moving in has done a lot for conversation starters at the COOP and coffee shop.

I kill dozens a year, every one I can year around. I don’t see them doing a whole lot of crop destruction really, this is wheat country and they don’t usually root up wheat crops, instead sticking to the creeks where there’s acorns and pecans or the hills where they get the prickly pears. Our turkey and quail populations are down, wildlife department says they raid nests and I don’t doubt it. Really I just like shooting stuff, if I’m helping out the game population or some farmers and ranchers so much the better.

I do doubt that shooting them or running them with dogs really helps. Every time I get into a sounder it seems like there’s more than the last time I shot them up there. Run them with dogs and you scatter them and they start their own families wherever they land.

Gave them to an FFA student who raised livestock. But they didn't make it 24 hours. Apparently too young to be weaned from momma. Weather was still brisk at that time which is why they are huddled for warmth. Once I found them, their fate was sealed one way or the other.

this started out interesting, but degenerated to reinforce some rather unflattering stereotypes

My friends call me ass-hole. People with inferior intellect, and have to use sock puppet accounts, address me as MR. Ass-hole.

Elkslayer never seen a COCK he didn't like.

deflave never seen a Mason Jar full of sperm he didn't chug.

They only sell those in Texas FYI.

Shocking, I know.

Elksucker is nothing more than an ignorant troll.

Very ignorant.

+1

Sorry I meant to post in the other thread. Multitasking is not my forte these days.

Edit. In correct thread now.

Not worth weining, raising and butchering?

He said they died.

Where tha’ white women at?!

Watching you accuse me of being several different sock puppet accounts on this website in your attempt to get everyone to put me on ignore has been quite entertaining...but then watching ignorant people make fools out of them self is fun to watch.

I seen in that other thread how you mentioned you didn't pay a guy to repair your chainsaw you hired him out for. That confirms how I had you sized up...just like a Communist, all mouth and not worth his word.

Anyone who hires a person, and then refuses to pay is one sorry SOB. Your actions don't represent the good solid people of TEXAS where their word and a handshake is as good as a written contract. Your actions of refusal to pay for a service / debt is the action a scumbag Communist / democRAT takes, just like when they stiff waitresses with NO tip or walk a ticket at a restaurant.

Your refusal to pay is also criminal / illegal. It's falls under the statute pertaining to "THEFT OF SERVICES".

He should've sued your azz in small claims court. If I were him, I would've sued just on principle alone, to force you to pay the judgement in order to keep it from dinging your credit.

You can call me elksucker all you want. It just proves you have serious mental issues like all Narcissist internet trolls trying to make them selves out to be badazzes on the internet.

You might be in the country in Texas, but you no more represent the good country people of TEXAS than a Communist represents freedom.

I will tell y'all an interesting aspect to this story.
I drive an 18 wheeler across Texas, morning, noon, and night. I put in ten thousand miles a month on Texas highways, on I 10, I 35, and I 20.

And I see lots of road kill. Lots and lots of dead coyotes, even though, they are pretty smart animals. Lots of armadillos they don't look too sharp to me. Lots and lots of dead raccoons, I know they are smart as hell. And untold numbers of deer, hell I even killed one myself late one night outside of San Antonio on I 10, real big 8 point buck. Hit him in the ass and broke his legs. Messed my truck up too.
I had to go back and finish him off with my buck knife. It was a cheapo $5 Chink knife I had bought at a truck stop, but I had it real sharp, sharpened it on the truck window. It became a Buck knife that night when I cut the throat of the big buck.

But I hardly ever see a dead pig. I have seen about 8 of them total. I mean, on a good day in November I will see 8 dead whitetail in one day.
These pigs must be pretty smart, to be so numerous, yet to hardly ever get run over.

Between Peasant Hill and Wellman east of me every time i go by that way there are at least 4 or 5 hogs as well as a lot of plastic front truck and car parts.

Seems that most happen in a 2 mile stretch of road.
Nothing on ether side.

Poisoned feed in feeders. Some kind of short duration nerve agent misted from the air on entire herds at a time. Employ contractors to hunt hogs 24/7 using any means that target only hogs and do not damage other life or the environment. Make it pay, and demand success, as in quotas of carcasses per week. Give access to effective tech and weaponry(thermal sighted belt feds, helicopters?). Mark a member or three of a herd with tracking devices, so the herd can be hunted to extinction as they run. Fixing the problem is simple. You have to kill hogs faster than the hogs can reproduce, Ways to do that exist, they just need to be found and implemented. Probably piss off the “outfitters” though... Be damned if I would pay to kill something that is a numerous pest in the region, when they oughta be paying guys to hunt the suckers.

What about a bounty? Has that been tried? It has worked to some degree on the nutria here, although not enough.

5 bucks a tail?


Clyde

Yeah, and Roger... Stxhunter is a sockpuppet, right? (As you said.)

Even though many of us know him. Many here know me as well. They know you for the radical liar you are.

Do please go away.

We don't need you sullying us here.

Okay Elksalyer, now lemme get this straight...you claim to be a sock puppet. Correct? You wouldn't molest a man's rooster now would you?

He's a radical idiot.

Accusing me of not picking up a chainsaw I had a $17 oiler and new bar put on, with a repair bill of $250 as being "criminal" is just hilarious. Especially since they were supposed to call with an estimate before doing the work... They can eat that saw for supper for all I care.

Judging from his recent posts outting himself as a member of a radical group being vanished, I would say Rickbin is onto him.

Gosh.

I HOPE not!

The Texas list is getting dangerously close to mirroring the Oregon list.

You guys need a purge.

I don’t know how a bounty would work?

It wouldn't. You still have to have a place to hunt them, no?

I don't think it works very well. We have the bounty here in Kerr County, but I hadn't heard about it until just recently. It's not very well advertised I suppose.

Kill a pig, bring the tail to the County animal services department and you get $10 per tail I think.

You lie and debate like a Communist using the Saul Alinsky Communist tactics.

I asked deflave if HE was stxhunter’s sock puppet account. I did not accuse stxhunter of being a sock puppet account, being deflave answered MY response to stxhunter. YOU are utilizing the Saul Alinsky tactic of using a lie until it is truth, and accusing with false negatives to force your opponent to defend themself.

Why are you using Communist debating tactics?

Here’s my post to stxhunter:
https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbt...-on-you-tx-guys-get-with-it#Post13719980

Here’s deflave answering in first person as though he and stxhunter are the same person:
https://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbt...-on-you-tx-guys-get-with-it#Post13719991




YOU are the radical liar, and I just proved it.

I’m not going anywhere. You have serious mental issues, and I will expose them to show you for the internet stalking troll you are

You're pissed off I exposed you for stiffing a business by not paying your bill, and now you're attempting to cover your azz with excuses of he did work without authorization, when if that were true, you could have called the law and received your equipment back, without having to pay, or take the SOB to small claims court, and hang it off in his backside.....but you didn't, because you stiffed him.

You didn't even touch that topic in this posting, because you got called out with the truth, so you ran and hid, and posted further down running your yap trying to cover your azz.

Typical democRAT, stiffing a hard working small businessman.

I'm glad he's OK.

I could gather up a lot of pig tails

Looks like we don't have a bounty in Brown County.

Jim

With the amount of pork you kill, it would be worth the drive, Hanco!

Holy crap dude! You're off the rails!! lmao

I’m going the 19th for 3 days. I have four round pens and a cage trap. I hope to get a few pigs.

Post pics.

Elkslayer is ALL Texan.

Wonder if the Rangers or DPS Intelligence has contacted him yet?

If not, they will.

It appears you actually are you stupid fu ck.