Heard this on the news from Detroit Radio 760 this morning. A very brief report. Three pit bulls killed a little girl. The funeral already occurred and the pit bull owner was charged with MURDER.
A brief report. that's all I know. It's the first report of an attack by these visious animals that I've heard that tells of the retribution visited upon the dogs' owners.
I don’t like the breed and have no use for one as a pet but with that said I do believe that a responsible owner is the key to owning that breed. Responsibility is actually the key to owning any breed of dog but more so when the dog is bred to kill.
I think TRH understands the responsibility involved with owning that breed and is likely the exact type of person that’s fit to own pit bulls. Comparing TRH to some ghetto homie in Detroit is inaccurate and disingenuous.
I don’t like the breed and have no use for one as a pet but with that said I do believe that a responsible owner is the key to owning that breed. Responsibility is actually the key to owning any breed of dog but more so when the dog is bred to kill.
I think TRH understands the responsibility involved with owning that breed and is likely the exact type of person that’s fit to own pit bulls. Comparing TRH to some ghetto homie in Detroit is inaccurate and disingenuous.
Banning the breed instead of demanding accountability from the owner is not only anti-American but it’s the same tactic used by the left in their attempt to take our 2A away. I know that one is a right and one is a choice but the slippery slope of blaming the object instead of the individual is the same.
A dog properly restrained and housed is no different than my guns locked in the safe, neither will hurt anyone unless mishandled.
I think TRH understands the responsibility involved with owning that breed and is likely the exact type of person that’s fit to own pit bulls. Comparing TRH to some ghetto homie in Detroit is inaccurate and disingenuous.
"Ghetto homies" don't have anti-Semitic sig lines with made up quotes.
I don’t like the breed and have no use for one as a pet but with that said I do believe that a responsible owner is the key to owning that breed. Responsibility is actually the key to owning any breed of dog but more so when the dog is bred to kill.
I think TRH understands the responsibility involved with owning that breed and is likely the exact type of person that’s fit to own pit bulls. Comparing TRH to some ghetto homie in Detroit is inaccurate and disingenuous.
I used to think like you and that the owner was the most important for a pitt bull.
However, I've come to mistrust pitt bulls when faced with a lot of different evidence.
For example, Roger (stxhunter) had a pit bull for 5 years (7 years?) who was never mistreated, and Roger is for sure a fellow to establish dominance over a dog. Roger posted pictures of Petey frolicing on the beach, wouldn't hurt a soul.
Well, one day Petey the pitt bull turned on him. Serious bites. Roger's wife managed to get Petey off death row and get a second chance, but a while later Petey attacked Roger again. Lots more serious bites, and Roger posted lots of pictures here if you want to see them.
Petey didn't get a third chance to maul a human because Roger did what any responsible owner would.
If Big Bad Roger couldn't do it, I'm skeptical about anybody being able to really control a pitt bull in the long term.
Sounds about right, the owner should be charged for Murder if its true that the owner's of pets are responsible for them...whoever have a aggressive dog should have it on a leash and if not whatever happens is all their fault.
Banning the breed instead of demanding accountability from the owner is not only anti-American but it’s the same tactic used by the left in their attempt to take our 2A away. I know that one is a right and one is a choice but the slippery slope of blaming the object instead of the individual is the same.
A dog properly restrained and housed is no different than my guns locked in the safe, neither will hurt anyone unless mishandled.
all that owner accountability sounds good....tell that to the parents of a kid that is killed by pits...…….guns don't jump out of safes.....guns don't break out windows etc.....bob
Sounds about right, the owner should be charged for Murder if its true that the owner's of pets are responsible for them...whoever have a aggressive dog should have it on a leash and if not whatever happens is all their fault.
Heard this on the news from Detroit Radio 760 this morning. A very brief report. Three pit bulls killed a little girl. The funeral already occurred and the pit bull owner was charged with MURDER.
A brief report. that's all I know. It's the first report of an attack by these visious animals that I've heard that tells of the retribution visited upon the dogs' owners.
TRH, Marley, and Goosey you're on borrowed time.
Yeah, just tell me how I am on borrowed time WindyCA35.
Banning the breed instead of demanding accountability from the owner is not only anti-American but it’s the same tactic used by the left in their attempt to take our 2A away. I know that one is a right and one is a choice but the slippery slope of blaming the object instead of the individual is the same.
A dog properly restrained and housed is no different than my guns locked in the safe, neither will hurt anyone unless mishandled.
Major differences: no gun ever attacked a kid next door on it's own. Dogs have done it many times. No gun ever dug its way under a fence or chewed through it's collar. Dogs have done it many times. A gun is just an inanimate tool. A dog is a living thing with a brain (sort of) that makes it's own decisions. You can't compare a gun to a dog, period.
A pit broke into my neighbor's yard early this morning and killed his retired K9, Coy. Coy was a nine year old German Shepard which was, of course, trained to not respond to animal aggression. I was fishing and Ryan (the owner) was at deer camp. Most of Coy's head was gone and we're all pretty sad.
Heard this on the news from Detroit Radio 760 this morning. A very brief report. Three pit bulls killed a little girl. The funeral already occurred and the pit bull owner was charged with MURDER.
A brief report. that's all I know. It's the first report of an attack by these visious animals that I've heard that tells of the retribution visited upon the dogs' owners.
TRH, Marley, and Goosey you're on borrowed time.
Yeah, just tell me how I am on borrowed time WindyCA35.
Lemme 'splain it for 'ya, Marley.
This is a precedent. The judge set bail much higher than the prosecutor even wanted.
If your "beloved" savage filthy beast somehow sneaks out of your building, as they have been known to do, or tries to kill someone in your family, as Stxhunter's did, and if in the process kills some child in a far more savage and grisley manner than the shark in the movie "Jaws," you stand a good chance of going to JAIL. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200. Savvy?
First your insurance company might cancel your insurance because you keep a dangerous anomal. Many have. Assuming you have anything worth insuring.
I don’t like the breed and have no use for one as a pet but with that said I do believe that a responsible owner is the key to owning that breed. Responsibility is actually the key to owning any breed of dog but more so when the dog is bred to kill.
I think TRH understands the responsibility involved with owning that breed and is likely the exact type of person that’s fit to own pit bulls. Comparing TRH to some ghetto homie in Detroit is inaccurate and disingenuous.
A pit broke into my neighbor's yard early this morning and killed his retired K9, Coy. Coy was a nine year old German Shepard which was, of course, trained to not respond to animal aggression. I was fishing and Ryan (the owner) was at deer camp. Most of Coy's head was gone and we're all pretty sad.
Ace's reply is very well said and my sentiments as well. Giving TRH crap every time one of these dogs does something stupid is like the rest of us catching crap when someone is harmed by a firearm.
I don’t like the breed and have no use for one as a pet but with that said I do believe that a responsible owner is the key to owning that breed. Responsibility is actually the key to owning any breed of dog but more so when the dog is bred to kill.
I think TRH understands the responsibility involved with owning that breed and is likely the exact type of person that’s fit to own pit bulls. Comparing TRH to some ghetto homie in Detroit is inaccurate and disingenuous.
You are correct, well said.
I agree to a certain extent. But look at Roger’s Pit Bull. It turned on him twice for no apparent reason.
Banning the breed instead of demanding accountability from the owner is not only anti-American but it’s the same tactic used by the left in their attempt to take our 2A away. I know that one is a right and one is a choice but the slippery slope of blaming the object instead of the individual is the same.
And not one of them will blame a vehicle for those killed by drunk drivers...
I think TRH understands the responsibility involved with owning that breed and is likely the exact type of person that’s fit to own pit bulls. Comparing TRH to some ghetto homie in Detroit is inaccurate and disingenuous.
"Ghetto homies" don't have anti-Semitic sig lines with made up quotes.
Real American patriots don't like a country that spies on us and bombs our ships, killing Americans.
I don’t like the breed and have no use for one as a pet but with that said I do believe that a responsible owner is the key to owning that breed. Responsibility is actually the key to owning any breed of dog but more so when the dog is bred to kill.
I think TRH understands the responsibility involved with owning that breed and is likely the exact type of person that’s fit to own pit bulls. Comparing TRH to some ghetto homie in Detroit is inaccurate and disingenuous.
You are correct, well said.
I agree to a certain extent. But look at Roger’s Pit Bull. It turned on him twice for no apparent reason.
Well that’s Rogers fault for the second time cause I woulda killed the damn dog after the first time.
I don’t like the breed and have no use for one as a pet but with that said I do believe that a responsible owner is the key to owning that breed. Responsibility is actually the key to owning any breed of dog but more so when the dog is bred to kill.
I think TRH understands the responsibility involved with owning that breed and is likely the exact type of person that’s fit to own pit bulls. Comparing TRH to some ghetto homie in Detroit is inaccurate and disingenuous.
You are correct, well said.
I agree to a certain extent. But look at Roger’s Pit Bull. It turned on him twice for no apparent reason.
Well that’s Rogers fault for the second time cause I woulda killed the damn dog after the first time.
Well that’s Rogers fault for the second time cause I woulda killed the damn dog after the first time.
Agreed.
Ive said many times before on these threads every pit bull Ive been around or worked with was the sweetest dog imaginable...but I have never gotten into any type of enclosed area with one that I didn't have the means and the mindset to kill.
Well that’s Rogers fault for the second time cause I woulda killed the damn dog after the first time.
Agreed.
Ive said many times before on these threads every pit bull Ive been around or worked with was the sweetest dog imaginable...but I have never gotten into any type of enclosed area with one that I didn't have the means and the mindset to kill.
Reminds me of a General Mattis quote : “BE POLITE, BE PROFESSIONAL, BUT HAVE A PLAN TO KILL EVERYBODY YOU MEET”
Well that’s Rogers fault for the second time cause I woulda killed the damn dog after the first time.
Agreed.
Ive said many times before on these threads every pit bull Ive been around or worked with was the sweetest dog imaginable...but I have never gotten into any type of enclosed area with one that I didn't have the means and the mindset to kill.
That's the problem. They ARE sweet...until they snap and kill someone.
I don’t like the breed and have no use for one as a pet but with that said I do believe that a responsible owner is the key to owning that breed. Responsibility is actually the key to owning any breed of dog but more so when the dog is bred to kill.
I think TRH understands the responsibility involved with owning that breed and is likely the exact type of person that’s fit to own pit bulls. Comparing TRH to some ghetto homie in Detroit is inaccurate and disingenuous.
You are correct, well said.
I agree to a certain extent. But look at Roger’s Pit Bull. It turned on him twice for no apparent reason.
And for that- an individual dog's action - you damn the entire breed...
I met a mean Lab once...
Over at Ironbenders' my 5 month old monster mini Dachsund put the run on his pit-mix at initial meeting. (Dachs have no sense of size or decorum... even if Mike's dog does) An hour later that nasty pit was on his side on the floor, getting Frenched by the little bastard.
Does not mean all pits/pit mixes are like that, but I'll take them as individuals.
and yeah- you better not mess with Mike's wife or car if the dog is there.
I have no problem with the owner being charged with murder/manslaughter.
Originally Posted by Jeffrey
Originally Posted by CRS
Comparing guns and vehicles to pitbulls is an invalid argument.
One is living, breathing and has a mind of it's own. The other is an tool, machine, and needs the living, breathing, person to do damage.
A car, or gun sitting in the back yard with broken fences will never hurt anyone.
A breed bred to kill and be vicious on the other hand...…..
The breed was actually selectively bread to avoid aggression toward humans.
You skipped the part where pit bulls that DID show aggression towards humans were killed immediately, a thing necessary every generation. That ain’t been done in prob’ly a half century or more in most pit bull bloodlines.
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Dog owners need to be responsible for their dogs, end of story.
Couldn’t agree more, your dog gets off your property you oughtta be liable for everything that dogs does while roaming loose.
I don’t like the breed and have no use for one as a pet but with that said I do believe that a responsible owner is the key to owning that breed. Responsibility is actually the key to owning any breed of dog but more so when the dog is bred to kill.
I think TRH understands the responsibility involved with owning that breed and is likely the exact type of person that’s fit to own pit bulls. Comparing TRH to some ghetto homie in Detroit is inaccurate and disingenuous.
You are correct, well said.
I agree to a certain extent. But look at Roger’s Pit Bull. It turned on him twice for no apparent reason.
He made one mistake, It got him twice, he should have put it down the first time.
where i live in the country we have a rule S.S.S., as far as those 3 pitbulls they should all be shot dead ,the dog`s owner should be put to death too by a public hanging would be best. >killer attack dogs have no place in America near the public ever !
I have no problem with the owner being charged with murder/manslaughter.
Originally Posted by Jeffrey
Originally Posted by CRS
Comparing guns and vehicles to pitbulls is an invalid argument.
One is living, breathing and has a mind of it's own. The other is an tool, machine, and needs the living, breathing, person to do damage.
A car, or gun sitting in the back yard with broken fences will never hurt anyone.
A breed bred to kill and be vicious on the other hand...…..
The breed was actually selectively bread to avoid aggression toward humans.
You skipped the part where pit bulls that DID show aggression towards humans were killed immediately, a thing necessary every generation. That ain’t been done in prob’ly a half century or more in most pit bull bloodlines.
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Dog owners need to be responsible for their dogs, end of story.
Couldn’t agree more, your dog gets off your property you oughtta be liable for everything that dogs does while roaming loose.
Inaminate objects can not act on their own, therefore the responsibility lies with the user. No matter if the user should be using the object or not.
Pit bulls can act on their own. No matter how much you train, care, pet, feed, water, take them to the vet etc. This same breed we are talking about has a very long track record of this type of behavior.
Inaminate objects can not act on their own, therefore the responsibility lies with the user.
so if you leave your loaded firearms easily accessible to young children the onus is all on them? do you leave rat poison next to the cookie jar as well?...cause rat poison is inanimate.
A precedent you say. You should be the poster child for ignorance.
Originally Posted by IndyCA35
Originally Posted by Marley7x57
Originally Posted by IndyCA35
Heard this on the news from Detroit Radio 760 this morning. A very brief report. Three pit bulls killed a little girl. The funeral already occurred and the pit bull owner was charged with MURDER.
A brief report. that's all I know. It's the first report of an attack by these visious animals that I've heard that tells of the retribution visited upon the dogs' owners.
TRH, Marley, and Goosey you're on borrowed time.
Yeah, just tell me how I am on borrowed time WindyCA35.
Lemme 'splain it for 'ya, Marley.
This is a precedent. The judge set bail much higher than the prosecutor even wanted.
If your "beloved" savage filthy beast somehow sneaks out of your building, as they have been known to do, or tries to kill someone in your family, as Stxhunter's did, and if in the process kills some child in a far more savage and grisley manner than the shark in the movie "Jaws," you stand a good chance of going to JAIL. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200. Savvy?
First your insurance company might cancel your insurance because you keep a dangerous anomal. Many have. Assuming you have anything worth insuring.
A dog properly restrained and housed is no different than my guns locked in the safe, neither will hurt anyone unless mishandled.
None of my guns ever broke out of my gun safe; ran across the street; and shot one of my neighbors in the ass while I was away at work.
Exactly. There is a one step disconnect between a firearm or any other tool and a self aware animal (children included), and it's behavior. The owner/parent is responsible for both inanimate object and the animate, and the interphase.
I don’t like the breed and have no use for one as a pet but with that said I do believe that a responsible owner is the key to owning that breed. Responsibility is actually the key to owning any breed of dog but more so when the dog is bred to kill.
I think TRH understands the responsibility involved with owning that breed and is likely the exact type of person that’s fit to own pit bulls. Comparing TRH to some ghetto homie in Detroit is inaccurate and disingenuous.
I used to think like you and that the owner was the most important for a pitt bull.
However, I've come to mistrust pitt bulls when faced with a lot of different evidence.
For example, Roger (stxhunter) had a pit bull for 5 years (7 years?) who was never mistreated, and Roger is for sure a fellow to establish dominance over a dog. Roger posted pictures of Petey frolicing on the beach, wouldn't hurt a soul.
Well, one day Petey the pitt bull turned on him. Serious bites. Roger's wife managed to get Petey off death row and get a second chance, but a while later Petey attacked Roger again. Lots more serious bites, and Roger posted lots of pictures here if you want to see them.
Petey didn't get a third chance to maul a human because Roger did what any responsible owner would.
If Big Bad Roger couldn't do it, I'm skeptical about anybody being able to really control a pitt bull in the long term.
Just my two kronor,
John
Really sums up my experience with the breed and all the kids who survived sttacks with surgery and scars. They should be exterminated but if not owners charged with their crimes. In fact most states absolve the owners which is sickening
I don’t like the breed and have no use for one as a pet but with that said I do believe that a responsible owner is the key to owning that breed. Responsibility is actually the key to owning any breed of dog but more so when the dog is bred to kill.
I think TRH understands the responsibility involved with owning that breed and is likely the exact type of person that’s fit to own pit bulls. Comparing TRH to some ghetto homie in Detroit is inaccurate and disingenuous.
So with all that being said, since TRH understands all the risks, if it were his pit bull that chewed threw a fence, or broke a chain, what would you charge him with? We always assume in these situations that the owner was careless, we’ll what if they weren’t careless but their dogs managed to maul a child to death, and they understood that might happen should their dog ever get loose?
I have never met a mean pit or pit/mix dog. but then again, I have never met a plt or pit/mix dog mean... Every one I have met has been a friendy, slobbering all over you mutt, at the time..
Banning the breed instead of demanding accountability from the owner is not only anti-American but it’s the same tactic used by the left in their attempt to take our 2A away. I know that one is a right and one is a choice but the slippery slope of blaming the object instead of the individual is the same.
A dog properly restrained and housed is no different than my guns locked in the safe, neither will hurt anyone unless mishandled.
A gun doesn't need to be in a safe to be safe. A loaded gun leaning against the wall behind the door will stay there till Jesus comes and not bother anyone. Occasionally pitbulls attack their owners.
By the way, you really made me laugh with one of your posts on one of these two threads!
Originally Posted by stxhunter
Originally Posted by 260Remguy
Any second thoughts about having given the dog a 2nd chance?
i wanted to get get rid of him the first time,it was my old lady who didn't want to put him him down. she feels bad now, i'm milking for all i can, had her scratch my balls for me earlier.
Banning the breed instead of demanding accountability from the owner is not only anti-American but it’s the same tactic used by the left in their attempt to take our 2A away. I know that one is a right and one is a choice but the slippery slope of blaming the object instead of the individual is the same.
A dog properly restrained and housed is no different than my guns locked in the safe, neither will hurt anyone unless mishandled.
A gun doesn't need to be in a safe to be safe. A loaded gun leaning against the wall behind the door will stay there till Jesus comes and not bother anyone. Occasionally pitbulls attack their owners.
That seems to be a very difficult concept to grasp.
My neighbors had some folks with a pet pitbull staying with them. The pit got loose and came over to my property, attacking my 13 yo yellow lab. That pit was vicious! He'd latch onto my dogs neck and I was full force kicking it in the ribs to get it off. Every time I'd break them up, it would go straight back again latching onto my dogs neck. About the 4th time I separated them, it finally ran off. It was like an animal possessed!
I informed the folks and they had it put down. I wouldn't own one. IMO, that's a breed suited for few purposes.
A gun doesn't need to be in a safe to be safe. A loaded gun leaning against the wall behind the door will stay there till Jesus comes and not bother anyone. Occasionally pitbulls attack their owners.
If this clown is for banning then I am against, for God knows he has never been right about anything else.
Banning the breed instead of demanding accountability from the owner is not only anti-American but it’s the same tactic used by the left in their attempt to take our 2A away. I know that one is a right and one is a choice but the slippery slope of blaming the object instead of the individual is the same.
A dog properly restrained and housed is no different than my guns locked in the safe, neither will hurt anyone unless mishandled.
BULLSHIT! You are wrong on every point, and downright lost all contact with reality to try and bring 2A and guns into this cluster.
Roy Horn may have been the greatest Tiger trainer in the world, and no one questions his love for the animal or that he ever mistreated them. However, one wrong move triggered an instinct that nearly cost him his life.
I'm sure every dog has its own personality, However, you can't blame every attack on the owner. A instinct may have been triggered, followed by the statement "he's never acted that way before".
I don’t like the breed and have no use for one as a pet but with that said I do believe that a responsible owner is the key to owning that breed. Responsibility is actually the key to owning any breed of dog but more so when the dog is bred to kill.
I think TRH understands the responsibility involved with owning that breed and is likely the exact type of person that’s fit to own pit bulls. Comparing TRH to some ghetto homie in Detroit is inaccurate and disingenuous.
You are correct, well said.
No, it's not, and he is NOT correct at all!!!
Every pit story we hear is about like black crime: "Oh, he was such a nice young man. I don't know why he killed all those people." When it comes to pits, it seems they just snap. We hear that about everytime one of these tragedies happen. And very often it is a member or members of the family that is maimed or killed and far to often a child or old person. You never know, but the chances are much better than with most other breeds, that you will find out one day. So if you are thinking that it is the owners responsibility to properly train his pit, that is a proven misnomer. I believe past reporting has clearly shown that the pit can be a wonderful pet, in a wonderful loving home, right up until they kill. No training in the world can keep them from doing something that a few seconds prior appeared not possible, and shortly after the killing, they are back to their "old" selves. Now if you are stupid enough to want to take that chance, maybe a snapping will only relate to your family, but how does that work for those who live next door if it's their kids or granny who is horribly killed? I know what it would mean for me if a pit killed a pet of mine, much less a child or grand child.
On average, there are about 30 deaths per year due to dogs having been identified as Pitbulls (I phrase it that way because "Pit Bull" is a catch all category for dogs roughly fitting a certain look, rather than a specific breed). For Rottweilers it's 5 per year (Only pure AKC Rottweilers are categorized as Rottweilers in these sorts of statistics). That's roughly the ratio (6:1) of the two "breeds" to each other in the US.
To put this into perspective, however, there are over 3,700 deaths by drowning each year, about ten percent of which (about 370) are children under five who drown in a swimming pool (murder charge for swimming pool owners, perhaps?). Suffocation by something caught in the throat or windpipe, over 5,000 per year. Just tripping and falling, over 36,000 per year.
I don’t like the breed and have no use for one as a pet but with that said I do believe that a responsible owner is the key to owning that breed. Responsibility is actually the key to owning any breed of dog but more so when the dog is bred to kill.
I think TRH understands the responsibility involved with owning that breed and is likely the exact type of person that’s fit to own pit bulls. Comparing TRH to some ghetto homie in Detroit is inaccurate and disingenuous.
So with all that being said, since TRH understands all the risks, if it were his pit bull that chewed threw a fence, or broke a chain, what would you charge him with? We always assume in these situations that the owner was careless, we’ll what if they weren’t careless but their dogs managed to maul a child to death, and they understood that might happen should their dog ever get loose?
Given this hypothetical TRH question, if it were my family member, I'd own everything TRH has. It's his dog, it's up to him to make sure things like you describe do not happen, period.
Banning the breed instead of demanding accountability from the owner is not only anti-American but it’s the same tactic used by the left in their attempt to take our 2A away. I know that one is a right and one is a choice but the slippery slope of blaming the object instead of the individual is the same.
A dog properly restrained and housed is no different than my guns locked in the safe, neither will hurt anyone unless mishandled.
BULLSHIT! You are wrong on every point, and downright lost all contact with reality to try and bring 2A and guns into this cluster.
Lolol.....😂.....JFC.....ok....I’m wrong. My opinion is wrong and I offer my deepest apologies to everyone that was offended by my opinion. I don’t want to get into a pissing match but I obviously tripped some triggers by believing that personal responsibility was a trait that the Campfire embraced. Myself?......I’ll choose freedom and responsibility over the heavy hand of authoritarianism. My comments were precipitated by someone else’s comments about TRH and I wanted to draw a distinction between responsible owners (TRH) and irresponsible owners. I didn’t mean to elicit such raw emotions and wadded panties over my reluctance to create more laws so that the big government crowd could hide behind those laws with a false sense of security.
Pit bulls, like the marijuana debate, always bring out the big government “conservatives” that, like the anti-2A folks, prefer to ban everything that scares them. They think that banning something they fear will keep them safe and that personal responsibility and personal accountability are lofty ideals that have no place in a free society. Ban It....ban it...ban it....
I personally have no problem with killing every pit bull and Rottweiler out there but once they’re eliminated then Chows, poodles, labs and every other breed will be on the chopping block. The BAN IT crowd won’t stop at pit bulls. 😉. I have no use for the breed but I don’t think more laws will fix it.
Wasn’t there a quote about trading freedom for security? 😁
Lolol.....😂.....JFC.....ok....I’m wrong. My opinion is wrong and I offer my deepest apologies to everyone that was offended by my opinion. I don’t want to get into a pissing match but I obviously tripped some triggers by believing that personal responsibility was a trait that the Campfire embraced. Myself?......I’ll choose freedom and responsibility over the heavy hand of authoritarianism. My comments were precipitated by someone else’s comments about TRH and I wanted to draw a distinction between responsible owners (TRH) and irresponsible owners. I didn’t mean to elicit such raw emotions and wadded panties over my reluctance to create more laws so that the big government crowd could hide behind those laws with a false sense of security.
Pit bulls, like the marijuana debate, always bring out the big government “conservatives” that, like the anti-2A folks, prefer to ban everything that scares them. They think that banning something they fear will keep them safe and that personal responsibility and personal accountability are lofty ideals that have no place in a free society. Ban It....ban it...ban it....
I personally have no problem with killing every pit bull and Rottweiler out there but once they’re eliminated then Chows, poodles, labs and every other breed will be on the chopping block. The BAN IT crowd won’t stop at pit bulls. 😉. I have no use for the breed but I don’t think more laws will fix it.
Wasn’t there a quote about trading freedom for security? 😁
I'm always surprised at the number of men here at the Fire who suddenly start thinking with their ovaries whenever this topic comes up, instead of with their brains, as is usually characteristic of men. At least it's ordinarily characteristic of non-snowflake men.
The stats have far more to do with who owns the dogs than the dogs themselves. Pitbulls became a status symbol for Blacks in inner cities starting in the 1970s, with the premium going to those who had (by long-established methods) made their dogs the meanest (it's not hard, if that's your purpose). Prior to that, they were generally owned by rural White folks who not only placed no emphasis on making their dogs mean, they had no desire to own one that wasn't positively friendly towards people. It was only since the 1970s that we saw outsized dog bite stats attached to Pitbulls. In fact, Pitbulls tended not even to make the top ten lists of dogs that bite before then.
Lolol.....😂.....JFC.....ok....I’m wrong. My opinion is wrong and I offer my deepest apologies to everyone that was offended by my opinion. I don’t want to get into a pissing match but I obviously tripped some triggers by believing that personal responsibility was a trait that the Campfire embraced. Myself?......I’ll choose freedom and responsibility over the heavy hand of authoritarianism. My comments were precipitated by someone else’s comments about TRH and I wanted to draw a distinction between responsible owners (TRH) and irresponsible owners. I didn’t mean to elicit such raw emotions and wadded panties over my reluctance to create more laws so that the big government crowd could hide behind those laws with a false sense of security.
Pit bulls, like the marijuana debate, always bring out the big government “conservatives” that, like the anti-2A folks, prefer to ban everything that scares them. They think that banning something they fear will keep them safe and that personal responsibility and personal accountability are lofty ideals that have no place in a free society. Ban It....ban it...ban it....
I personally have no problem with killing every pit bull and Rottweiler out there but once they’re eliminated then Chows, poodles, labs and every other breed will be on the chopping block. The BAN IT crowd won’t stop at pit bulls. 😉. I have no use for the breed but I don’t think more laws will fix it.
Wasn’t there a quote about trading freedom for security? 😁
I'm always surprised at the number of men here at the Fire who suddenly start thinking with their ovaries whenever this topic comes up, instead of with their brains, as is usually characteristic of men. At least it's ordinarily characteristic of non-snowflake men.
You have raised the idiot bar far higher... few will possibly ever reach your lofty perch.
On average, there are about 30 deaths per year due to dogs having been identified as Pitbulls (I phrase it that way because "Pit Bull" is a catch all category for dogs roughly fitting a certain look, rather than a specific breed). For Rottweilers it's 5 per year (Only pure AKC Rottweilers are categorized as Rottweilers in these sorts of statistics). That's roughly the ratio (6:1) of the two "breeds" to each other in the US.
To put this into perspective, however, there are over 3,700 deaths by drowning each year, about ten percent of those (about 370) are children under five who drown in a swimming pool (murder charge for swimming pool owners, perhaps?). Suffocation by something caught in the throat or windpipe, over 5,000 per year. Just tripping and falling, over 36,000 each year.
Seriously... ? That has to be about the most twisted, bizarre to the extreme, "Apples to Oranges", comparisons I believe I've ever heard yet attempting to make a point.
According to that report, regarding dog attacks during the period from 1982-2014, of the 1643 attacks, pit bulls were responsible for nearly 1/3 (535:1643) of the attacks among the top 30 breeds involved!
If you held constant the factor of who owns them (eliminate irresponsible people, folks habitually involved in crime, etc.), you would find that Pitbulls rank about the same as Boxers on all categories.
Sir, you were either very fast, or very lucky to deflect a neck attack at that range and position. I know first hand just how fast and how strong a pitbull is when attacking. No fun, no fun at all. Glad you survived it.
I don’t like the breed and have no use for one as a pet but with that said I do believe that a responsible owner is the key to owning that breed. Responsibility is actually the key to owning any breed of dog but more so when the dog is bred to kill.
I think TRH understands the responsibility involved with owning that breed and is likely the exact type of person that’s fit to own pit bulls. Comparing TRH to some ghetto homie in Detroit is inaccurate and disingenuous.
You are correct, well said.
I agree to a certain extent. But look at Roger’s Pit Bull. It turned on him twice for no apparent reason.
And for that- an individual dog's action - you damn the entire breed...
I met a mean Lab once...
Over at Ironbenders' my 5 month old monster mini Dachsund put the run on his pit-mix at initial meeting. (Dachs have no sense of size or decorum... even if Mike's dog does) An hour later that nasty pit was on his side on the floor, getting Frenched by the little bastard.
Does not mean all pits/pit mixes are like that, but I'll take them as individuals.
and yeah- you better not mess with Mike's wife or car if the dog is there.
Mike is pretty much on his own, it sounded like.
Yep. Pits are a lot like Muzzies. You can't condemn the breed for the actions of a select few. Each time I read of dog chewing the face off of a baby I am never surprised to learn it was a pit. Each time I hear of a bomb blowing up a bunch of innocent people, I am never surprise to learn it's a Muzzy. But we cannot condemn the breed.
I have no problem with the owner being charged with murder/manslaughter.
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Originally Posted by CRS
Comparing guns and vehicles to pitbulls is an invalid argument.
One is living, breathing and has a mind of it's own. The other is an tool, machine, and needs the living, breathing, person to do damage.
A car, or gun sitting in the back yard with broken fences will never hurt anyone.
A breed bred to kill and be vicious on the other hand...…..
The breed was actually selectively bread to avoid aggression toward humans.
You skipped the part where pit bulls that DID show aggression towards humans were killed immediately, a thing necessary every generation. That ain’t been done in prob’ly a half century or more in most pit bull bloodlines.
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Dog owners need to be responsible for their dogs, end of story.
Couldn’t agree more, your dog gets off your property you oughtta be liable for everything that dogs does while roaming loose.
Human aggression will never be bred out of pits or killed out of pits. If it was going to happen it already would have. Labs certainly haven't had a history of needing to be killed for human aggression.
My neighbors had some folks with a pet pitbull staying with them. The pit got loose and came over to my property, attacking my 13 yo yellow lab. That pit was vicious! He'd latch onto my dogs neck and I was full force kicking it in the ribs to get it off. Every time I'd break them up, it would go straight back again latching onto my dogs neck. About the 4th time I separated them, it finally ran off. It was like an animal possessed!
I informed the folks and they had it put down. I wouldn't own one. IMO, that's a breed suited for few purposes.
Sir, you were either very fast, or very lucky to deflect a neck attack at that range and position. I know first hand just how fast and how strong a pitbull is when attacking. No fun, no fun at all. Glad you survived it.
i might be getting old and fat but i have fast reflexes.
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