don't how true this is but my brothers buddy who is a US Marshal called call him and told him to be prepared that the feds are going to close state borders and shut stuff down and make sure your cars are topped off and you have what you need. Jeff called his other buddy in Fl who works for a sheriffs department and he concurred. said in the 24-48 hours. now i don't know if this is true but i doubt a US Marshal would call him and bullchit him.
Obviously I cant speak for everyone, but for me anyhow.. gasoline for my quad, chainsaw and generator, and diesel for my tractor. I'll need my equipment for around the farm over the next two weeks or more.
Between all of the corporate and small business shutdowns, and if this "shelter in place"/lockdown thing goes through, we are headed towards some hard economic times... of our own making.
This whole thing has been blown way out of proportion by the media. In my humble opinion, to purposely sink the economy so that Trump goes down in November. ...and everyone seems to be buying it hook, line, and, sinker.
This whole thing has been blown way out of proportion by the media. In my humble opinion, to purposely sink the economy so that Trump goes down in November
This whole thing has been blown way out of proportion by the media. In my humble opinion, to purposely sink the economy so that Trump goes down in November
This whole thing has been blown way out of proportion by the media. In my humble opinion, to purposely sink the economy so that Trump goes down in November
but trump is going along with it. Splain that?
...wish I could. This whole ordeal is off the charts.
[quote] You can bet that the real number is in the millions if not tens of millions with more to come.
Then why does everyone use the 200,000 figure? Are they stupid? Are they hiding deaths also?[/qu because there were no tests to CONFIRM it, I still believe government knows something about this 'virus' we do not........
You can bet that the real number is in the millions if not tens of millions with more to come.
Then why does everyone use the 200,000 figure? Are they stupid? Are they hiding deaths also?
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I think there are two reasons they are not reporting the actual number.
1) They do not know the actual numbers because tests are still unavailable in large swaths of this country and world. 2) They know the actual numbers are much higher, but don't want the panic to get even worse than it is.
I think there are two reasons they are not reporting the actual number.
1) They do not know the actual numbers because tests are still unavailable in large swaths of this country and world. 2) They know the actual numbers are much higher, but don't want the panic to get even worse than it is.
or, all of it is just a guess, and heavy on over reaction
If ordered to shelter in place what need does one have for topping off auto fuel?
That was my question, too. Who needs gas in your car if you're not allowed to leave your home? I've got a half tank, and will be topping it off just in case, now, however. Might be something I'm not seeing. Maybe gas stations will be ordered to sell gas only for official vehicles or something.
You can bet that the real number is in the millions if not tens of millions with more to come.
Then why does everyone use the 200,000 figure? Are they stupid? Are they hiding deaths also?
No, it is because that reflects the number of sick people out of the total tested. The testing is so sparse that it is near impossible to extrapolate to get a real picture. While kits and labs are available to test samples, they are not available on anything near the scale needed to get representative data. We have a mix of non-cooperation .. Russia seems to be downplaying their numbers, India is either downplaying or not able to test, we have no data from North Korea and you can bet your left nut that with them stuck between China on one side and South Korea on the other, it's going through NK like fire through a dry forest on a windy day. Mexico is like India but on a smaller scale. When all is said and done .. we're not going to have any idea how many people died of this, only a low boundary. I'd expect 1.5 to 2 million in the US alone unless we do drastic measures to quarantine. I don't think we have the will. From the posts here, I'm pretty sure we, on the 'fire, don't. One thing about it ... it'll probably resolve the homeless problem. It'll likely also fix social security because of how it targets the older population. Might fix some other diseases by removing those folks from the population as well.
If ordered to shelter in place what need does one have for topping off auto fuel?
That was my question, too. Who needs gas in your car if you're not allowed to leave your home? I've got a half tank, and will be topping it off just in case, now, however. Might be something I'm not seeing. Maybe gas stations will be ordered to sell gas only for official vehicles or something.
not a legit measure...if all are collecting in small numbers anyway, the actual location of that precaution doesn't bear on the increase or decrease of the problem
Things just got real here. The public health officer of this county just posted a shelter in place directive. No non-essential travel, no non-essential business, no restaurants or bars open to public effective 5 pm today until April 7 minimum.
I might get arrested when I go fishing with my son this Friday.
I have also been told by two different people, one works in the Pentagon and other is a retired NSA agent, and my next door neighbor, that the government is developing plans to use the military to keep our infrastructure functioning, not shut down our country. Both said, "closing" hot spot cities like New York, major cities along the west coast and even cities like Nashville, could happen. But Marshall Law would not be declared. He said the National Guard would be delivering food if that happens, to those closed in.
This makes sense to me if you think about it. Truck drivers are not going to want to deliver food and medicine to hard hit areas and as American citizens, no one can make them do so. But our members of the military cannot refuse to do those chores. The military can also serve as a police force, emergency care workers, etc. I believe that will happen and will happen soon. The Posse Comitatus Act will be suspended if this happens but that act has been suspended before during the 60's.
I'm going fugging turkey hunting this weekend. See if they shutdown the back 40 on Ft Campbell.
They have before.....
Mutha fugga.... all for some media and Liberal Socialist Democrat hyped up overblown schitt storm with a political agenda opportunity all nicely lined up for em...
Not to mention what it has done to the economy world fugging wide.
Things just got real here. The public health officer of this county just posted a shelter in place directive. No non-essential travel, no non-essential business, no restaurants or bars open to public effective 5 pm today until April 7 minimum.
I might get arrested when I go fishing with my son this Friday.
Bars and restaurants here are only open to carry out and delivery. Effective midnight last night.
Yet an email from our dentist this afternoon that they are on an emergency only basis for the next 2 weeks and rescheduling all other appointments.
Things just got real here. The public health officer of this county just posted a shelter in place directive. No non-essential travel, no non-essential business, no restaurants or bars open to public effective 5 pm today until April 7 minimum.
I might get arrested when I go fishing with my son this Friday.
You can bet that the real number is in the millions if not tens of millions with more to come.
Then why does everyone use the 200,000 figure? Are they stupid? Are they hiding deaths also?
No, it is because that reflects the number of sick people out of the total tested. The testing is so sparse that it is near impossible to extrapolate to get a real picture. While kits and labs are available to test samples, they are not available on anything near the scale needed to get representative data. We have a mix of non-cooperation .. Russia seems to be downplaying their numbers, India is either downplaying or not able to test, we have no data from North Korea and you can bet your left nut that with them stuck between China on one side and South Korea on the other, it's going through NK like fire through a dry forest on a windy day. Mexico is like India but on a smaller scale. When all is said and done .. we're not going to have any idea how many people died of this, only a low boundary. I'd expect 1.5 to 2 million in the US alone unless we do drastic measures to quarantine. I don't think we have the will. From the posts here, I'm pretty sure we, on the 'fire, don't. One thing about it ... it'll probably resolve the homeless problem. It'll likely also fix social security because of how it targets the older population. Might fix some other diseases by removing those folks from the population as well.
Tom
I hadn’t thought about the social security effect. Why do you think it will help the homeless situation? I don’t think it will kill many of them, and they still choose not to participate in society and no one will give them a job. I guess you could reasonably assume between poor health and reluctance to seek help before severe they would die. But at least in my area they are all young.
Things just got real here. The public health officer of this county just posted a shelter in place directive. No non-essential travel, no non-essential business, no restaurants or bars open to public effective 5 pm today until April 7 minimum.
I might get arrested when I go fishing with my son this Friday.
Heard on FB that a reserve deputy from a couple counties over told his brother in law that he heard there were target lists out for high profile internet posters. And we were all getting bar-codes tatted on our necks. Gotta be legit.
I know. This rumor makes no sense. I give it a 98% chance of being BS. But because of the remaining 2% chance, I just got back from topping off my tank. It's a why not kind of thing.
don't how true this is but my brothers buddy who is a US Marshal called call him and told him to be prepared that the feds are going to close state borders and shut stuff down and make sure your cars are topped off and you have what you need. Jeff called his other buddy in Fl who works for a sheriffs department and he concurred. said in the 24-48 hours. now i don't know if this is true but i doubt a US Marshal would call him and bullchit him.
Talked to my BIL last night who is a US Deputy Marshal. He didn’t mention it.
I know some one that said their cousin in some state has a friend who knew some in Washington DC. According to my friend, bad things are going to happen any day now.
I live in North Carolina. I was in South Carolina this morning. Heading to Georgia tomorrow to turkey hunt for a few days. I could see a “shelter in place” directive but i don’t see how they could possibly close state borders.
MOUT in America.... Waaaaaaaay more azzhole to elbow manuver room here than in schytt hole cities in Iraq = waaaaaaaay easier here if it ever comes to it. If.............
And no ROE...... Or Hague or Geneva convention crap....... Pffffft.......
It’s the gosh darn flu. People will die. Just like every year. Good lord. Stop freaking the f u c k out.
It's not a flu. It's a highly contagious strain of viral pneumonia that devastates lung tissues, often to the point of death.
Aren't you the one that carries a pistol in a baggie while you shower?
Nope. Someone with an axe to grind made that up. I'm also said to ride a bicycle while wearing spandex, and about a half dozen other ridiculous things that I've lost track of over the last 18 years of being on the Fire. I hope you don't just accept such things at face value. That's pretty gullible, if so.
"Shower Gun" was a joke title to a thread I started many years ago wherein I suggested a discussion of rust avoidance methods for storing a gun in a bathroom where showers are frequently taken. Topic was legit. Title was a joke, which was made clear by my post #1. That's the kernel-of-truth to it. I also own a bicycle that I used to occasionally ride. That's the kernel-of-truth behind the spandex meme. Most of these memes have a kernel-of-truth behind them, but don't survive close scrutiny.
It’s the gosh darn flu. People will die. Just like every year. Good lord. Stop freaking the f u c k out.
It's not a flu. It's a highly contagious strain of viral pneumonia that devastates lung tissues, often to the point of death.
Aren't you the one that carries a pistol in a baggie while you shower?
Nope. Someone with an axe to grind made that up. I'm also said to ride a bicycle while wearing spandex, and about a half dozen other ridiculous things that I've lost track of over the last 18 years of being on the Fire. I hope you don't just accept such things on face value. That's pretty gullible, if so.
"Shower Gun" was a joke title to a thread I started many years ago wherein I suggested a discussion of rust avoidance methods for storing a gun in a bathroom where showers are frequently taken. Topic was legit. Title was a joke, which was made clear by my post #1. That's the kernel-of-truth to it. I also own a bicycle that I used to occasionally ride. That's the kernel-of-truth behind the spandex meme. Most of these memes have a kernel-of-truth behind them, but don't survive close scrutiny.
This whole thing has been blown way out of proportion by the media. In my humble opinion, to purposely sink the economy so that Trump goes down in November
but trump is going along with it. Splain that?
Lock stuff down with martial law to keep snowflakes from rioting when N Guard starts rounding up traitors in Congress, business, etc?
I live in North Carolina. I was in South Carolina this morning. Heading to Georgia tomorrow to turkey hunt for a few days. I could see a “shelter in place” directive but i don’t see how they could possibly close state borders.
don't howost LE types I know would never true this is but my brothers buddy who is a US Marshal called call him and told him to be prepared that the feds are going to close state borders and shut stuff down and make sure your cars are topped off and you have what you need. Jeff called his other buddy in Fl who works for a sheriffs department and he concurred. said in the 24-48 hours. now i don't know if this is true but i doubt a US Marshal would call him and bullchit him.
As we have learned by experience, all types of personalities and egos go into LE. Some in my acquaintance are among the best folks I could hope to know and many more in that field appear to be the same, while yet others seem to get their jollies from strutting their status and feigning alleged knowledge/power.. So, some certain US Marshall could be one of the latter types - just itching to claim that "insider knowledge" at the emotional expense of others - and deliberately making such a phone call for that purpose. Etc. Who knows?
But - let's think. What would be the specific benefit of closing our state borders??? Doing that would seem to have zero effect on the disease threat while folks could travel hundreds of miles within a given state. And, such closures would badly affect important delivery and service activities. Further, that would really frustrate and anger some citizens who need to travel interstate, so why stir that for no good reason. Then, as well, what portion of the populace is going to sit still for such a useless yet freedom-limiiting move - and, therefore. how possibly would it be enforced? Etc. I would like to have a personal conversation with that US Marshall.
I live in North Carolina. I was in South Carolina this morning. Heading to Georgia tomorrow to turkey hunt for a few days. I could see a “shelter in place” directive but i don’t see how they could possibly close state borders.
That will work till we get good and hungry. The nine city will go so bonkers that noone will be able to control them. Look how they act on a holiday weekend when there is all the food and beer they can drink. They'd burn the cities down and kill all the cops.
It’s the gosh darn flu. People will die. Just like every year. Good lord. Stop freaking the f u c k out.
It's not a flu. It's a highly contagious strain of viral pneumonia that devastates lung tissues, often to the point of death.
Aren't you the one that carries a pistol in a baggie while you shower?
Nope. Someone with an axe to grind made that up. I'm also said to ride a bicycle while wearing spandex, and about a half dozen other ridiculous things that I've lost track of over the last 18 years of being on the Fire. I hope you don't just accept such things at face value. That's pretty gullible, if so.
"Shower Gun" was a joke title to a thread I started many years ago wherein I suggested a discussion of rust avoidance methods for storing a gun in a bathroom where showers are frequently taken. Topic was legit. Title was a joke, which was made clear by my post #1. That's the kernel-of-truth to it. I also own a bicycle that I used to occasionally ride. That's the kernel-of-truth behind the spandex meme. Most of these memes have a kernel-of-truth behind them, but don't survive close scrutiny.
Pics of you doing a drive by, ripping your shower AR outta the vacum sealed bag on a bike wearing spandex!!!!
Heard on FB that a reserve deputy from a couple counties over told his brother in law that he heard there were target lists out for high profile internet posters. And we were all getting bar-codes tatted on our necks. Gotta be legit.
Don't fall for it. There's the whole black kid driving a truck in his neighborhood story too. He's just hoping that with time that stuff will fade away and he can reinvent himself. There was a reason he was given such a hard time for so many years.
don't howost LE types I know would never true this is but my brothers buddy who is a US Marshal called call him and told him to be prepared that the feds are going to close state borders and shut stuff down and make sure your cars are topped off and you have what you need. Jeff called his other buddy in Fl who works for a sheriffs department and he concurred. said in the 24-48 hours. now i don't know if this is true but i doubt a US Marshal would call him and bullchit him.
As we have learned by experience, all types of personalities and egos go into LE. Some in my acquaintance are among the best folks I could hope to know and many more in that field appear to be the same, while yet others seem to get their jollies from strutting their status and feigning alleged knowledge/power.. So, some certain US Marshall could be one of the latter types - just itching to claim that "insider knowledge" at the emotional expense of others - and deliberately making such a phone call for that purpose. Etc. Who knows?
But - let's think. What would be the specific benefit of closing our state borders??? Doing that would seem to have zero effect on the disease threat while folks could travel hundreds of miles within a given state. And, such closures would badly affect important delivery and service activities. Further, that would really frustrate and anger some citizens who need to travel interstate, so why stir that for no good reason. Then, as well, what portion of the populace is going to sit still for such a useless yet freedom-limiiting move - and, therefore. how possibly would it be enforced? Etc. I would like to have a personal conversation with that US Marshall.
pogue low level managers tried to make civilians go to an every-other-day in the office schedule, work from home on the odd day. first time I can ever recall, all 5 of us locked arms and said, ahhhhh , nuh-uh.
pogues backed down for now, but they could force us to work from home when it gets right down to it.
Heard on FB that a reserve deputy from a couple counties over told his brother in law that he heard there were target lists out for high profile internet posters. And we were all getting bar-codes tatted on our necks. Gotta be legit.
i know my brother's buddy and he is a US Marshal.
I believe you.
But as CCCC posted above there are just too many rabbit trails to bother with.
IF that were true, how would he be privy to it? And if he is privy, why not 1,000's of others with similar access? And of others had the same foreknowledge why would he be the only one leaking it?
Sorry man, just not buying it. Especially in this age of social media, it'd be all over the place.
If ordered to shelter in place what need does one have for topping off auto fuel?
That was my question, too. Who needs gas in your car if you're not allowed to leave your home? I've got a half tank, and will be topping it off just in case, now, however. Might be something I'm not seeing. Maybe gas stations will be ordered to sell gas only for official vehicles or something.
Hope I get delivery on the 500 gals I ordered the other day 🤷🏻♂️
Having fuel is a necessary component of our life. Those snowmachines & chainsaws won’t run on air
If anyone thinks there going to shut down telecommunications workers there dreaming. The minute the tv and internet stop work then it really will go all to hell.
don't how true this is but my brothers buddy who is a US Marshal called call him and told him to be prepared that the feds are going to close state borders and shut stuff down and make sure your cars are topped off and you have what you need. Jeff called his other buddy in Fl who works for a sheriffs department and he concurred. said in the 24-48 hours. now i don't know if this is true but i doubt a US Marshal would call him and bullchit him.
Ok Rog, but this your deal posting this here, Rumors and hearsay........
I have two nephews that teach in China. They are quarantined but not because they have Covid. They are allowed to go to the stores for groceries at designated times. They say there is zero food shortages and shelves are stocked. People in this conjure fugking idiots!!!
Things just got real here. The public health officer of this county just posted a shelter in place directive. No non-essential travel, no non-essential business, no restaurants or bars open to public effective 5 pm today until April 7 minimum.
I might get arrested when I go fishing with my son this Friday.
well i don't think roger would have posted if he thought it was a joke. i am heading out in the morning to make sure all vehicles in the fleet are filled up. for what ever reason, been a number of times in arizona where you couldn't find gas in the metro area. i still have some five gallon gas cans that i had to put in the truck driving down to phoenix from prescott, so i could get back home. for what it is worth.
I don't understand how all this is going on. The Chinese factories are opening back up as we speak.
i'm as full of schit as most of the virologists on this site but i think the chinese have built up immunity to these types of things because they have been living with this kind of schit for years. they eat schit that is not meant for human consumption like bats and dogs and cats, stored in conditions that allow this stuff to cross to humans and live packed together like sardines and practice poor hygiene. china caused this crap and needs to pay and pay bigly.
don't how true this is but my brothers buddy who is a US Marshal called call him and told him to be prepared that the feds are going to close state borders and shut stuff down and make sure your cars are topped off and you have what you need. Jeff called his other buddy in Fl who works for a sheriffs department and he concurred. said in the 24-48 hours. now i don't know if this is true but i doubt a US Marshal would call him and bullchit him.
Ok Rog, but this your deal posting this here, Rumors and hearsay........
I'll be calling ya out if not true.
I said i don't know if its true, but seems to come from a creditable source.
I don't understand how all this is going on. The Chinese factories are opening back up as we speak.
i'm as full of schit as most of the virologists on this site but i think the chinese have built up immunity to these types of things because they have been living with this kind of schit for years. they eat schit that is not meant for human consumption like bats and dogs and cats, stored in conditions that allow this stuff to cross to humans and live packed together like sardines and practice poor hygiene. china caused this crap and needs to pay and pay bigly.
Heard on FB that a reserve deputy from a couple counties over told his brother in law that he heard there were target lists out for high profile internet posters. And we were all getting bar-codes tatted on our necks. Gotta be legit.
Cool! My first tattoo!
And like all tattoos worth having, it’ll come with a story attached 😎
This whole thing has been blown way out of proportion by the media. In my humble opinion, to purposely sink the economy so that Trump goes down in November
but trump is going along with it. Splain that?
He just found a silver lining in the pandemic label he denied so much. He now sees himself a wartime president. Just what his ego needs > gonna have fun as the czar-in-chief. Watch out for the swat teams if you don't comply
I've been watching all the episodes of Moonshiners that I can so I can learn how to make alcohol to clean my hands with.
aint hard,, 2# of sugar pr gal of well water and turbo yeast keep at 80* +/- 5* till meter says 0 then steam it out at 185* never over 190* an throw the heads out,,,
Heard on FB that a reserve deputy from a couple counties over told his brother in law that he heard there were target lists out for high profile internet posters. And we were all getting bar-codes tatted on our necks. Gotta be legit.
Cool! My first tattoo!
And like all tattoos worth having, it’ll come with a story attached 😎
Not sure what's going on, what I do know for an absolute fact is that my daughters unit got called to report to Ft McClellan about an hour ago. They told her to bring all her gear and be prepared to be there a while.
Not sure what's going on, what I do know for an absolute fact is that my daughters unit got called to report to Ft McClellan about an hour ago. They told her to bring all her gear and be prepared to be there a while.
[bleep] Navy ships for the flu. Either they aren't telling us the truth or we've hit the tipping point and there's more idiots than rational people now. Tanking the global economy to the tune of trillions of $$ to save a few hundred thousand lives.
If we save a million lives by taking these extreme measures and tanking the economy, and we only cost the economy one trillion, that's still a million dollars per life saved. In a world population of 8.5 billion people, one million dead is only .011% of the population. Mass hysteria on a global level. There are people who's names most of us will never know that will make fortunes untold off the backs of hard working Americans during this exaggerated "crisis" Money our children and grandchildren will be paying interest on.
Goodyear Tire factories are starting shutdowns due to slowed or stopped Auto plants.
Puerto Rico went on curfew this last Sunday all but essential businesses closed restaurants carry out only. Bars pools spas and beaches closed. No travel into the PR only outgoing. Hotels open but few amenities. No one on the street during the day except going to get essential items no groups allowed out full curfew at 9pm....
Hospital ships won't take covid-19 cases, they are not set up for that sort of treatment. They will be able to free up some hospital beds by taking trauma cases. They will also siphon off medical staff from facilities treating coronavirus victims.
I'm not worried about it unless they try to force everybody over 65 to stay home like the socialist states of California and New York are talking about doing. I won't comply if they do it in Texas. I already pretty much self quaranteed myself a week ago when I figured how dangerous this virus is. My county has very few cases and no deaths so far. We're already pretty much shut down until April 5th when the kids go back to school. I am kind of worried about my Border Patrol friend who will continue to be exposed to illegal immigrants every day.
[bleep] Navy ships for the flu. Either they aren't telling us the truth or we've hit the tipping point and there's more idiots than rational people now. Tanking the global economy to the tune of trillions of $$ to save a few hundred thousand lives.
If we save a million lives by taking these extreme measures and tanking the economy, and we only cost the economy one trillion, that's still a million dollars per life saved. In a world population of 8.5 billion people, one million dead is only .011% of the population. Mass hysteria on a global level. There are people who's names most of us will never know that will make fortunes untold off the backs of hard working Americans during this exaggerated "crisis" Money our children and grandchildren will be paying interest on.
[bleep] Navy ships for the flu. Either they aren't telling us the truth or we've hit the tipping point and there's more idiots than rational people now. Tanking the global economy to the tune of trillions of $$ to save a few hundred thousand lives.
If we save a million lives by taking these extreme measures and tanking the economy, and we only cost the economy one trillion, that's still a million dollars per life saved. In a world population of 8.5 billion people, one million dead is only .011% of the population. Mass hysteria on a global level. There are people who's names most of us will never know that will make fortunes untold off the backs of hard working Americans during this exaggerated "crisis" Money our children and grandchildren will be paying interest on.
I work for a gov’t contractor providing training and just got an E-mail that said if we travel more than fifty miles from the base, we have to self quarantine for 14 days when we return.
[bleep] Navy ships for the flu. Either they aren't telling us the truth or we've hit the tipping point and there's more idiots than rational people now. Tanking the global economy to the tune of trillions of $$ to save a few hundred thousand lives.
If we save a million lives by taking these extreme measures and tanking the economy, and we only cost the economy one trillion, that's still a million dollars per life saved. In a world population of 8.5 billion people, one million dead is only .011% of the population. Mass hysteria on a global level. There are people who's names most of us will never know that will make fortunes untold off the backs of hard working Americans during this exaggerated "crisis" Money our children and grandchildren will be paying interest on.
What a touching outlook.
Yeah no shyt. Fuggin douchebag more concerned with money than human lives. One can only hope people with that attitude are among the victims who perish.
[bleep] Navy ships for the flu. Either they aren't telling us the truth or we've hit the tipping point and there's more idiots than rational people now. Tanking the global economy to the tune of trillions of $$ to save a few hundred thousand lives.
If we save a million lives by taking these extreme measures and tanking the economy, and we only cost the economy one trillion, that's still a million dollars per life saved. In a world population of 8.5 billion people, one million dead is only .011% of the population. Mass hysteria on a global level. There are people who's names most of us will never know that will make fortunes untold off the backs of hard working Americans during this exaggerated "crisis" Money our children and grandchildren will be paying interest on.
What a touching outlook.
Yeah no shyt. Fuggin douchebag more concerned with money than human lives. One can only hope people with that attitude are among the victims who perish.
Sorry that I try to make decisions based on facts and logic instead of heightened emotion?
[bleep] Navy ships for the flu. Either they aren't telling us the truth or we've hit the tipping point and there's more idiots than rational people now. Tanking the global economy to the tune of trillions of $$ to save a few hundred thousand lives.
If we save a million lives by taking these extreme measures and tanking the economy, and we only cost the economy one trillion, that's still a million dollars per life saved. In a world population of 8.5 billion people, one million dead is only .011% of the population. Mass hysteria on a global level. There are people who's names most of us will never know that will make fortunes untold off the backs of hard working Americans during this exaggerated "crisis" Money our children and grandchildren will be paying interest on.
What a touching outlook.
Yeah no shyt. Fuggin douchebag more concerned with money than human lives. One can only hope people with that attitude are among the victims who perish.
Sorry that I try to make decisions based on facts and logic instead of heightened emotion?
I’d say that your post was short on “facts “ and long on emotion.
Cpt F formerly 1Lt E is deploying her medical company from Ft Carson to California.... And I get stuck with Red Bone coon hound grand dog Brady even longer now.
But black jesus and all the H1N1 deaths under him. Everything was fine. Just peachy....
[bleep] Navy ships for the flu. Either they aren't telling us the truth or we've hit the tipping point and there's more idiots than rational people now. Tanking the global economy to the tune of trillions of $$ to save a few hundred thousand lives.
If we save a million lives by taking these extreme measures and tanking the economy, and we only cost the economy one trillion, that's still a million dollars per life saved. In a world population of 8.5 billion people, one million dead is only .011% of the population. Mass hysteria on a global level. There are people who's names most of us will never know that will make fortunes untold off the backs of hard working Americans during this exaggerated "crisis" Money our children and grandchildren will be paying interest on.
What a touching outlook.
Yeah no shyt. Fuggin douchebag more concerned with money than human lives. One can only hope people with that attitude are among the victims who perish.
Sorry that I try to make decisions based on facts and logic instead of heightened emotion?
I’d say that your post was short on “facts “ and long on emotion.
Money can do that to folks.
Examples? Sorry if I don't feel like the average human being is worth a million plus dollars.
[bleep] Navy ships for the flu. Either they aren't telling us the truth or we've hit the tipping point and there's more idiots than rational people now. Tanking the global economy to the tune of trillions of $$ to save a few hundred thousand lives.
If we save a million lives by taking these extreme measures and tanking the economy, and we only cost the economy one trillion, that's still a million dollars per life saved. In a world population of 8.5 billion people, one million dead is only .011% of the population. Mass hysteria on a global level. There are people who's names most of us will never know that will make fortunes untold off the backs of hard working Americans during this exaggerated "crisis" Money our children and grandchildren will be paying interest on.
What a touching outlook.
Yeah no shyt. Fuggin douchebag more concerned with money than human lives. One can only hope people with that attitude are among the victims who perish.
Sorry that I try to make decisions based on facts and logic instead of heightened emotion?
I’d say that your post was short on “facts “ and long on emotion.
Money can do that to folks.
Examples?
Looking at the exponential growth of this and what present medical facilities have to offer right now and with no vaccines available yet , we have no idea of what the depths of this can lead to.
Your numbers and so called examples are based on the present with no consideration for the unknown.
ETA: Jm our thoughts pretty much parallel on most all matters. Let’s just say that we both agree to disagree on this one.
Here’s what Marc’s friend texted him whose dad works for homeland security):
He said that they are preparing to mobilize the national guard. Preparing to dispatch them across the US along with military. Next they will call in 1st responders. He said they are preparing to announce a nationwide 1 week quarantine for all citizens All businesses closed. Everyone at home. They were told to pack and be prepared for up to 30 days deployment which he said means they may extend the quarantine up to 30 days. He told me to notify our family members and have them stock up and be prepared. They will announce this as soon as they have troops in place to help prevent looters and rioters... he said he got the call last night and was told to pack and be prepared for the call today with his dispatch orders. He thinks they will announce before the end of the weekend to keep people home on Monday.
Less than a 100 deaths and a pending national shutdown? That’s a head scratcher
Makes about as much sense as sending each American adult a $1000 check as economic stimulus, then ordering them to lock themselves in at home and don't go spend it...
Less than a 100 deaths and a pending national shutdown? That’s a head scratcher
Makes about as much sense as sending each American adult a $1000 check as economic stimulus, then ordering them to lock themselves in at home and don't go spend it...
Less than a 100 deaths and a pending national shutdown? That’s a head scratcher
Makes about as much sense as sending each American adult a $1000 check as economic stimulus, then ordering them to lock themselves in at home and don't go spend it...
its about stopping it before it get real bad. have everyone stay in place for awhile and let it run its course.. i worry about my 80 yr old dad, he's getting radiation for cancer.
Less than a 100 deaths and a pending national shutdown? That’s a head scratcher
Makes about as much sense as sending each American adult a $1000 check as economic stimulus, then ordering them to lock themselves in at home and don't go spend it...
its about stopping it before it get real bad. have everyone stay in place for awhile and let it run its course.. i worry about my 80 yr old dad, he's getting radiation for cancer.
I dont think they will stop folks from seeing drs or getting med TX.
Less than a 100 deaths and a pending national shutdown? That’s a head scratcher
Makes about as much sense as sending each American adult a $1000 check as economic stimulus, then ordering them to lock themselves in at home and don't go spend it...
its about stopping it before it get real bad. have everyone stay in place for awhile and let it run its course.. i worry about my 80 yr old dad, he's getting radiation for cancer.
Unfortunately, the flu isn’t discriminatory. I have older parents to. I hope your pops makes it through this. Prayers for all affected
Less than a 100 deaths and a pending national shutdown? That’s a head scratcher
Makes about as much sense as sending each American adult a $1000 check as economic stimulus, then ordering them to lock themselves in at home and don't go spend it...
its about stopping it before it get real bad. have everyone stay in place for awhile and let it run its course.. i worry about my 80 yr old dad, he's getting radiation for cancer.
I dont think they will stop folks from seeing drs or getting med TX.
I have treatment coming up for leukemia in salt lake, I live in Montana, this could be not so good for me.
Here’s what Marc’s friend texted him whose dad works for homeland security):
He said that they are preparing to mobilize the national guard. Preparing to dispatch them across the US along with military. Next they will call in 1st responders. He said they are preparing to announce a nationwide 1 week quarantine for all citizens All businesses closed. Everyone at home. They were told to pack and be prepared for up to 30 days deployment which he said means they may extend the quarantine up to 30 days. He told me to notify our family members and have them stock up and be prepared. They will announce this as soon as they have troops in place to help prevent looters and rioters... he said he got the call last night and was told to pack and be prepared for the call today with his dispatch orders. He thinks they will announce before the end of the weekend to keep people home on Monday.
Son in law sent this to me
Cshit like this spooks people
20,000 Nat Guard were dispatched to 23 states today. 30,000 troops to Italy without masks.
Let me tell you, they arent going to have people shelter in place for a week or 10 days for this virus, I dont think. Maybe a week to have military and Nat Guard take out the deep state with kids and people at home where deep state players cant hit schools or malls with bombs or ar-15s and to keep Soros paid suckers from mounting major resistance. Maybe no internet or TV and only Trump and his crew on the radio.
Less than a 100 deaths and a pending national shutdown? That’s a head scratcher
Makes about as much sense as sending each American adult a $1000 check as economic stimulus, then ordering them to lock themselves in at home and don't go spend it...
its about stopping it before it get real bad. have everyone stay in place for awhile and let it run its course.. i worry about my 80 yr old dad, he's getting radiation for cancer.
I dont think they will stop folks from seeing drs or getting med TX.
I have treatment coming up for leukemia in salt lake, I live in Montana, this could be not so good for me.
Less than a 100 deaths and a pending national shutdown? That’s a head scratcher
Makes about as much sense as sending each American adult a $1000 check as economic stimulus, then ordering them to lock themselves in at home and don't go spend it...
its about stopping it before it get real bad. have everyone stay in place for awhile and let it run its course.. i worry about my 80 yr old dad, he's getting radiation for cancer.
[bleep] Navy ships for the flu. Either they aren't telling us the truth
What a touching outlook.
Yeah no shyt. Fuggin douchebag more concerned with money than human lives. One can only hope people with that attitude are among the victims who perish.
Sorry that I try to make decisions based on facts and logic instead of heightened emotion?
Many sources, and many people here have been trying to tell the truth for three weeks now and have been called everything from Demos, to traitors, to qweer.
Try to tell the residents of Italy that this is all hype and blown out of proportion.
Exactly what will be the cost to American, and global economy when millions of Americans are refused entry to hospitals, and told to go home to die. When hundreds of thousands of bodies are stacked and waiting for disposal.
Those who refuse to study history are bound to repeat it. Study the pandemic of 1918 a bit. Two percent of the world population killed by H1N1.
Exactly what is two percent of 7.8 Billion? I come up with a potential of 150 Million world wide. What is a justifiable cost to reduce that number?
The costs you are speaking of, that which is spent now in an attempt to slow this thing is going to be a very small portion of the total cost of the pandemic.
Less than a 100 deaths and a pending national shutdown? That’s a head scratcher
Makes about as much sense as sending each American adult a $1000 check as economic stimulus, then ordering them to lock themselves in at home and don't go spend it...
its about stopping it before it get real bad. have everyone stay in place for awhile and let it run its course.. i worry about my 80 yr old dad, he's getting radiation for cancer.
Kid is watching Chicago One on TV. What a total piece of crap.
Gonna be a long 2.5 weeks, at a min.
No chit. We will really panic if we miss turkey season. 😂
No worries bro, you’ll have a whole new season of shooting looters to fall back on....Feds are working on daily bag limits right now. 😎
Probably no looters out here at the RANCH, so that don't help me.
20 minute drive would use up too much of their fuel supply when there are town folks to loot, pillage, and rob.
Besides, they KNOW us folks out here are armed................city folks just "might" be.
But, I think our turkey season starts on the 28th and I hope all this has settled some by then. Work caused me to miss a whole lot of turkey seasons over the years.
Less than a 100 deaths and a pending national shutdown? That’s a head scratcher
Makes about as much sense as sending each American adult a $1000 check as economic stimulus, then ordering them to lock themselves in at home and don't go spend it...
[bleep] Navy ships for the flu. Either they aren't telling us the truth or we've hit the tipping point and there's more idiots than rational people now. Tanking the global economy to the tune of trillions of $$ to save a few hundred thousand lives.
If we save a million lives by taking these extreme measures and tanking the economy, and we only cost the economy one trillion, that's still a million dollars per life saved. In a world population of 8.5 billion people, one million dead is only .011% of the population. Mass hysteria on a global level. There are people who's names most of us will never know that will make fortunes untold off the backs of hard working Americans during this exaggerated "crisis" Money our children and grandchildren will be paying interest on.
What a touching outlook.
Yeah no shyt. Fuggin douchebag more concerned with money than human lives. One can only hope people with that attitude are among the victims who perish.
Beats the fuggin douchebags that think every damn thing that breathes, has to keep breathing indefinitely. Trashing the economy, and in the process, millions of lives of working people and their children, for the benefit of the people who have spent their life trashing their body and are now fat, sick and damaged as a result, is retarded. Coronavirus kills the very old, the already sick, and those damaged by contaminants.
Look, I got a grandpa who is 90, his back is disintegrating when he moves, and he is in a care center right now. I do not want him to catch this. It will kill him. However, if it does, it beat something else by at most a year. And it’s nothing I can do anything about. Except wait to visit him until there is no chance of me infecting him. Even though he is ready to go. Tired of hurting. So this virus kills 15% of folks over 80. Other stuff is a lot harder on them.
It kills AIDS people too. That’s tough. For them. But they won’t be infecting anyone else with AIDS, now will they?
It kills meth heads, maybe smokers, and so on. Down side? Even for them, it beats lung or throat cancer, after all.
People die. It’s what we do. I will, you all will, and we don’t get a damn choice about when or how unless we kill ourselves, and get it right when we do it. Nothing lives forever. And casting the world, and particularly America, into a horrible depression that will do more to forever extinguish liberty, simply to try to save the least productive of us, is folly. Yeah, that’s a hard outlook. But it beats the alternative, which is what they are trying to give us. What good are people too old, too sick, or too damaged to produce anything, when you can’t even feed them because of what it took to save them?
Sorry if I don't feel like the average human being is worth a million plus dollars.
What about ‘your’ loved ones...are each of their lives worth a million plus dollars to you...?
Of course. They're worth more than that. To ME. Are my loved ones worth a million each to you, if it means you are directly effected, long term, by those costs?
[bleep] Navy ships for the flu. Either they aren't telling us the truth or we've hit the tipping point and there's more idiots than rational people now. Tanking the global economy to the tune of trillions of $$ to save a few hundred thousand lives.
If we save a million lives by taking these extreme measures and tanking the economy, and we only cost the economy one trillion, that's still a million dollars per life saved. In a world population of 8.5 billion people, one million dead is only .011% of the population. Mass hysteria on a global level. There are people who's names most of us will never know that will make fortunes untold off the backs of hard working Americans during this exaggerated "crisis" Money our children and grandchildren will be paying interest on.
What a touching outlook.
Yeah no shyt. Fuggin douchebag more concerned with money than human lives. One can only hope people with that attitude are among the victims who perish.
Beats the fuggin douchebags that think every damn thing that breathes, has to keep breathing indefinitely. Trashing the economy, and in the process, millions of lives of working people and their children, for the benefit of the people who have spent their life trashing their body and are now fat, sick and damaged as a result, is retarded. Coronavirus kills the very old, the already sick, and those damaged by contaminants.
Look, I got a grandpa who is 90, his back is disintegrating when he moves, and he is in a care center right now. I do not want him to catch this. It will kill him. However, if it does, it beat something else by at most a year. And it’s nothing I can do anything about. Except wait to visit him until there is no chance of me infecting him. Even though he is ready to go. Tired of hurting. So this virus kills 15% of folks over 80. Other stuff is a lot harder on them.
It kills AIDS people too. That’s tough. For them. But they won’t be infecting anyone else with AIDS, now will they?
It kills meth heads, maybe smokers, and so on. Down side? Even for them, it beats lung or throat cancer, after all.
People die. It’s what we do. I will, you all will, and we don’t get a damn choice about when or how unless we kill ourselves, and get it right when we do it. Nothing lives forever. And casting the world, and particularly America, into a horrible depression that will do more to forever extinguish liberty, simply to try to save the least productive of us, is folly. Yeah, that’s a hard outlook. But it beats the alternative, which is what they are trying to give us. What good are people too old, too sick, or too damaged to produce anything, when you can’t even feed them because of what it took to save them?
Ebenezer Scrooge (pre epiphany) could not have said it much better. It will eliminate the surplus population. What a heartless bastard.
Sorry if I don't feel like the average human being is worth a million plus dollars.
What about ‘your’ loved ones...are each of their lives worth a million plus dollars to you...?
Of course. They're worth more than that. To ME. Are my loved ones worth a million each to you, if it means you are directly effected, long term, by those costs?
Unequivocally, yes.
If ‘you’ didn’t have a million dollars a piece to keep each one of ‘your’ loved ones alive, would you want others to pay the costs to keep ‘your’ loved ones alive, or would it be OK to ‘you’ to just let them die since ‘you’ couldn’t pay the costs yourself...?
[bleep] Navy ships for the flu. Either they aren't telling us the truth or we've hit the tipping point and there's more idiots than rational people now. Tanking the global economy to the tune of trillions of $$ to save a few hundred thousand lives.
If we save a million lives by taking these extreme measures and tanking the economy, and we only cost the economy one trillion, that's still a million dollars per life saved. In a world population of 8.5 billion people, one million dead is only .011% of the population. Mass hysteria on a global level. There are people who's names most of us will never know that will make fortunes untold off the backs of hard working Americans during this exaggerated "crisis" Money our children and grandchildren will be paying interest on.
What a touching outlook.
Yeah no shyt. Fuggin douchebag more concerned with money than human lives. One can only hope people with that attitude are among the victims who perish.
Beats the fuggin douchebags that think every damn thing that breathes, has to keep breathing indefinitely. Trashing the economy, and in the process, millions of lives of working people and their children, for the benefit of the people who have spent their life trashing their body and are now fat, sick and damaged as a result, is retarded. Coronavirus kills the very old, the already sick, and those damaged by contaminants.
Look, I got a grandpa who is 90, his back is disintegrating when he moves, and he is in a care center right now. I do not want him to catch this. It will kill him. However, if it does, it beat something else by at most a year. And it’s nothing I can do anything about. Except wait to visit him until there is no chance of me infecting him. Even though he is ready to go. Tired of hurting. So this virus kills 15% of folks over 80. Other stuff is a lot harder on them.
It kills AIDS people too. That’s tough. For them. But they won’t be infecting anyone else with AIDS, now will they?
It kills meth heads, maybe smokers, and so on. Down side? Even for them, it beats lung or throat cancer, after all.
People die. It’s what we do. I will, you all will, and we don’t get a damn choice about when or how unless we kill ourselves, and get it right when we do it. Nothing lives forever. And casting the world, and particularly America, into a horrible depression that will do more to forever extinguish liberty, simply to try to save the least productive of us, is folly. Yeah, that’s a hard outlook. But it beats the alternative, which is what they are trying to give us. What good are people too old, too sick, or too damaged to produce anything, when you can’t even feed them because of what it took to save them?
Ebenezer Scrooge (pre epiphany) could not have said it much better. It will eliminate the surplus population. What a heartless bastard.
It's called being rational. This is no time for being hyper emotional. Decisions made now will haunt us for many years to come. Freedoms given up now may never be taken back and debt accrued must be paid back at some point.
[bleep] Navy ships for the flu. Either they aren't telling us the truth or we've hit the tipping point and there's more idiots than rational people now. Tanking the global economy to the tune of trillions of $$ to save a few hundred thousand lives.
If we save a million lives by taking these extreme measures and tanking the economy, and we only cost the economy one trillion, that's still a million dollars per life saved. In a world population of 8.5 billion people, one million dead is only .011% of the population. Mass hysteria on a global level. There are people who's names most of us will never know that will make fortunes untold off the backs of hard working Americans during this exaggerated "crisis" Money our children and grandchildren will be paying interest on.
What a touching outlook.
Yeah no shyt. Fuggin douchebag more concerned with money than human lives. One can only hope people with that attitude are among the victims who perish.
Beats the fuggin douchebags that think every damn thing that breathes, has to keep breathing indefinitely. Trashing the economy, and in the process, millions of lives of working people and their children, for the benefit of the people who have spent their life trashing their body and are now fat, sick and damaged as a result, is retarded. Coronavirus kills the very old, the already sick, and those damaged by contaminants.
Look, I got a grandpa who is 90, his back is disintegrating when he moves, and he is in a care center right now. I do not want him to catch this. It will kill him. However, if it does, it beat something else by at most a year. And it’s nothing I can do anything about. Except wait to visit him until there is no chance of me infecting him. Even though he is ready to go. Tired of hurting. So this virus kills 15% of folks over 80. Other stuff is a lot harder on them.
It kills AIDS people too. That’s tough. For them. But they won’t be infecting anyone else with AIDS, now will they?
It kills meth heads, maybe smokers, and so on. Down side? Even for them, it beats lung or throat cancer, after all.
People die. It’s what we do. I will, you all will, and we don’t get a damn choice about when or how unless we kill ourselves, and get it right when we do it. Nothing lives forever. And casting the world, and particularly America, into a horrible depression that will do more to forever extinguish liberty, simply to try to save the least productive of us, is folly. Yeah, that’s a hard outlook. But it beats the alternative, which is what they are trying to give us. What good are people too old, too sick, or too damaged to produce anything, when you can’t even feed them because of what it took to save them?
Yeah well f,uck you right in your stinkin old ass hole. It doesn't just kill ancient folks in nursing homes. I've got parents in their 70's I want to be around for few more years and brothers and friends in their 40's, 50's and 60's I'd still like to have above ground when this is over.
Is all this going to save lives, or just spread out the total deaths over a longer timeline?
I suppose nobody really knows.
I keep hearing the medical experts on the boob-tube say that we need to 'flatten the curve'. To me that doesn't sound like 'save lives'.
Only because you're a dumbass that can't figure out flattening the curve will allow the sick to be put in hospital rooms on the ventilators they'll need to stay alive. Too many sick at once and there won't be enough rooms and ventilators to go around.
Is all this going to save lives, or just spread out the total deaths over a longer timeline?
I suppose nobody really knows.
I keep hearing the medical experts on the boob-tube say that we need to 'flatten the curve'. To me that doesn't sound like 'save lives'.
Only because you're a dumbass that can't figure out flattening the curve will allow the sick to be put in hospital rooms on the ventilators they'll need to stay alive. Too many sick at once and there won't be enough rooms and ventilators to go around.
Why don't you go wash the sand out of your vagina.
[bleep] Navy ships for the flu. Either they aren't telling us the truth or we've hit the tipping point and there's more idiots than rational people now. Tanking the global economy to the tune of trillions of $$ to save a few hundred thousand lives.
If we save a million lives by taking these extreme measures and tanking the economy, and we only cost the economy one trillion, that's still a million dollars per life saved. In a world population of 8.5 billion people, one million dead is only .011% of the population. Mass hysteria on a global level. There are people who's names most of us will never know that will make fortunes untold off the backs of hard working Americans during this exaggerated "crisis" Money our children and grandchildren will be paying interest on.
What a touching outlook.
Yeah no shyt. Fuggin douchebag more concerned with money than human lives. One can only hope people with that attitude are among the victims who perish.
Beats the fuggin douchebags that think every damn thing that breathes, has to keep breathing indefinitely. Trashing the economy, and in the process, millions of lives of working people and their children, for the benefit of the people who have spent their life trashing their body and are now fat, sick and damaged as a result, is retarded. Coronavirus kills the very old, the already sick, and those damaged by contaminants.
Look, I got a grandpa who is 90, his back is disintegrating when he moves, and he is in a care center right now. I do not want him to catch this. It will kill him. However, if it does, it beat something else by at most a year. And it’s nothing I can do anything about. Except wait to visit him until there is no chance of me infecting him. Even though he is ready to go. Tired of hurting. So this virus kills 15% of folks over 80. Other stuff is a lot harder on them.
It kills AIDS people too. That’s tough. For them. But they won’t be infecting anyone else with AIDS, now will they?
It kills meth heads, maybe smokers, and so on. Down side? Even for them, it beats lung or throat cancer, after all.
People die. It’s what we do. I will, you all will, and we don’t get a damn choice about when or how unless we kill ourselves, and get it right when we do it. Nothing lives forever. And casting the world, and particularly America, into a horrible depression that will do more to forever extinguish liberty, simply to try to save the least productive of us, is folly. Yeah, that’s a hard outlook. But it beats the alternative, which is what they are trying to give us. What good are people too old, too sick, or too damaged to produce anything, when you can’t even feed them because of what it took to save them?
Yeah well f,uck you right in your stinkin old ass hole. It doesn't just kill ancient folks in nursing homes. I've got parents in their 70's I want to be around for few more years and brothers and friends in their 40's, 50's and 60's I'd still like to have above ground when this is over.
So it's worth collapsing the global economy? Our govt is making decisions that will impact us for a LONG time to come. We need a measured response. This is no time to act rash.
Is all this going to save lives, or just spread out the total deaths over a longer timeline?
I suppose nobody really knows.
I keep hearing the medical experts on the boob-tube say that we need to 'flatten the curve'. To me that doesn't sound like 'save lives'.
Only because you're a dumbass that can't figure out flattening the curve will allow the sick to be put in hospital rooms on the ventilators they'll need to stay alive. Too many sick at once and there won't be enough rooms and ventilators to go around.
Why don't you go wash the sand out of your vagina.
Is all this going to save lives, or just spread out the total deaths over a longer timeline?
I suppose nobody really knows.
I keep hearing the medical experts on the boob-tube say that we need to 'flatten the curve'. To me that doesn't sound like 'save lives'.
Only because you're a dumbass that can't figure out flattening the curve will allow the sick to be put in hospital rooms on the ventilators they'll need to stay alive. Too many sick at once and there won't be enough rooms and ventilators to go around.
Why don't you go wash the sand out of your vagina.
Why don't you go suck a sweaty black ball sack.
Hate to distract you from your dinner planning, but here's a question about the topic at hand.
What is the survival rate of those Covid-19 patients put on respirators? Anybody heard?
[bleep] Navy ships for the flu. Either they aren't telling us the truth or we've hit the tipping point and there's more idiots than rational people now. Tanking the global economy to the tune of trillions of $$ to save a few hundred thousand lives.
If we save a million lives by taking these extreme measures and tanking the economy, and we only cost the economy one trillion, that's still a million dollars per life saved. In a world population of 8.5 billion people, one million dead is only .011% of the population. Mass hysteria on a global level. There are people who's names most of us will never know that will make fortunes untold off the backs of hard working Americans during this exaggerated "crisis" Money our children and grandchildren will be paying interest on.
What a touching outlook.
Yeah no shyt. Fuggin douchebag more concerned with money than human lives. One can only hope people with that attitude are among the victims who perish.
Beats the fuggin douchebags that think every damn thing that breathes, has to keep breathing indefinitely. Trashing the economy, and in the process, millions of lives of working people and their children, for the benefit of the people who have spent their life trashing their body and are now fat, sick and damaged as a result, is retarded. Coronavirus kills the very old, the already sick, and those damaged by contaminants.
Look, I got a grandpa who is 90, his back is disintegrating when he moves, and he is in a care center right now. I do not want him to catch this. It will kill him. However, if it does, it beat something else by at most a year. And it’s nothing I can do anything about. Except wait to visit him until there is no chance of me infecting him. Even though he is ready to go. Tired of hurting. So this virus kills 15% of folks over 80. Other stuff is a lot harder on them.
It kills AIDS people too. That’s tough. For them. But they won’t be infecting anyone else with AIDS, now will they?
It kills meth heads, maybe smokers, and so on. Down side? Even for them, it beats lung or throat cancer, after all.
People die. It’s what we do. I will, you all will, and we don’t get a damn choice about when or how unless we kill ourselves, and get it right when we do it. Nothing lives forever. And casting the world, and particularly America, into a horrible depression that will do more to forever extinguish liberty, simply to try to save the least productive of us, is folly. Yeah, that’s a hard outlook. But it beats the alternative, which is what they are trying to give us. What good are people too old, too sick, or too damaged to produce anything, when you can’t even feed them because of what it took to save them?
Yeah well f,uck you right in your stinkin old ass hole. It doesn't just kill ancient folks in nursing homes. I've got parents in their 70's I want to be around for few more years and brothers and friends in their 40's, 50's and 60's I'd still like to have above ground when this is over.
So it's worth collapsing the global economy? Our govt is making decisions that will impact is for a LONG time to come. We need a measured response. This is no time to act rash.
The economy will rebuild like it always has. We may well even benefit in time if more production comes back to the US.
[bleep] Navy ships for the flu. Either they aren't telling us the truth or we've hit the tipping point and there's more idiots than rational people now. Tanking the global economy to the tune of trillions of $$ to save a few hundred thousand lives.
If we save a million lives by taking these extreme measures and tanking the economy, and we only cost the economy one trillion, that's still a million dollars per life saved. In a world population of 8.5 billion people, one million dead is only .011% of the population. Mass hysteria on a global level. There are people who's names most of us will never know that will make fortunes untold off the backs of hard working Americans during this exaggerated "crisis" Money our children and grandchildren will be paying interest on.
What a touching outlook.
Yeah no shyt. Fuggin douchebag more concerned with money than human lives. One can only hope people with that attitude are among the victims who perish.
Beats the fuggin douchebags that think every damn thing that breathes, has to keep breathing indefinitely. Trashing the economy, and in the process, millions of lives of working people and their children, for the benefit of the people who have spent their life trashing their body and are now fat, sick and damaged as a result, is retarded. Coronavirus kills the very old, the already sick, and those damaged by contaminants.
Look, I got a grandpa who is 90, his back is disintegrating when he moves, and he is in a care center right now. I do not want him to catch this. It will kill him. However, if it does, it beat something else by at most a year. And it’s nothing I can do anything about. Except wait to visit him until there is no chance of me infecting him. Even though he is ready to go. Tired of hurting. So this virus kills 15% of folks over 80. Other stuff is a lot harder on them.
It kills AIDS people too. That’s tough. For them. But they won’t be infecting anyone else with AIDS, now will they?
It kills meth heads, maybe smokers, and so on. Down side? Even for them, it beats lung or throat cancer, after all.
People die. It’s what we do. I will, you all will, and we don’t get a damn choice about when or how unless we kill ourselves, and get it right when we do it. Nothing lives forever. And casting the world, and particularly America, into a horrible depression that will do more to forever extinguish liberty, simply to try to save the least productive of us, is folly. Yeah, that’s a hard outlook. But it beats the alternative, which is what they are trying to give us. What good are people too old, too sick, or too damaged to produce anything, when you can’t even feed them because of what it took to save them?
Yeah well f,uck you right in your stinkin old ass hole. It doesn't just kill ancient folks in nursing homes. I've got parents in their 70's I want to be around for few more years and brothers and friends in their 40's, 50's and 60's I'd still like to have above ground when this is over.
So it's worth collapsing the global economy? Our govt is making decisions that will impact is for a LONG time to come. We need a measured response. This is no time to act rash.
The economy will rebuild like it always has. We may well even benefit in time if more production comes back to the US.
You're an emotional little bitch. So you think another trillion In debt will make us stronger? JFC......(shaking my head)
Is all this going to save lives, or just spread out the total deaths over a longer timeline?
I suppose nobody really knows.
I keep hearing the medical experts on the boob-tube say that we need to 'flatten the curve'. To me that doesn't sound like 'save lives'.
Only because you're a dumbass that can't figure out flattening the curve will allow the sick to be put in hospital rooms on the ventilators they'll need to stay alive. Too many sick at once and there won't be enough rooms and ventilators to go around.
Why don't you go wash the sand out of your vagina.
Why don't you go suck a sweaty black ball sack.
Hate to distract you from your dinner planning, but here's a question about the topic at hand.
What is the survival rate of those Covid-19 patients put on respirators? Anybody heard?
Last I knew about 56%. For those needing one that don't get it 0%. A married couple from my mothers church were in ICU on respirators last weekend. He's in his early 40's and she's in her late 30's. They have three children still living at home. Haven't heard anything more about how they're doing.
Is all this going to save lives, or just spread out the total deaths over a longer timeline?
I suppose nobody really knows.
I keep hearing the medical experts on the boob-tube say that we need to 'flatten the curve'. To me that doesn't sound like 'save lives'.
Only because you're a dumbass that can't figure out flattening the curve will allow the sick to be put in hospital rooms on the ventilators they'll need to stay alive. Too many sick at once and there won't be enough rooms and ventilators to go around.
Why don't you go wash the sand out of your vagina.
Why don't you go suck a sweaty black ball sack.
Hate to distract you from your dinner planning, but here's a question about the topic at hand.
What is the survival rate of those Covid-19 patients put on respirators? Anybody heard?
Last I knew about 56%. For those needing one that don't get it 0%. A married couple from my mothers church were in ICU on respirators last weekend. He's in his early 40's and she's in her late 30's. They have three children still living at home. Haven't heard anything more about how they're doing.
That's a tough situation. Hopefully they will pull through.
[bleep] Navy ships for the flu. Either they aren't telling us the truth or we've hit the tipping point and there's more idiots than rational people now. Tanking the global economy to the tune of trillions of $$ to save a few hundred thousand lives.
If we save a million lives by taking these extreme measures and tanking the economy, and we only cost the economy one trillion, that's still a million dollars per life saved. In a world population of 8.5 billion people, one million dead is only .011% of the population. Mass hysteria on a global level. There are people who's names most of us will never know that will make fortunes untold off the backs of hard working Americans during this exaggerated "crisis" Money our children and grandchildren will be paying interest on.
What a touching outlook.
Yeah no shyt. Fuggin douchebag more concerned with money than human lives. One can only hope people with that attitude are among the victims who perish.
Beats the fuggin douchebags that think every damn thing that breathes, has to keep breathing indefinitely. Trashing the economy, and in the process, millions of lives of working people and their children, for the benefit of the people who have spent their life trashing their body and are now fat, sick and damaged as a result, is retarded. Coronavirus kills the very old, the already sick, and those damaged by contaminants.
Look, I got a grandpa who is 90, his back is disintegrating when he moves, and he is in a care center right now. I do not want him to catch this. It will kill him. However, if it does, it beat something else by at most a year. And it’s nothing I can do anything about. Except wait to visit him until there is no chance of me infecting him. Even though he is ready to go. Tired of hurting. So this virus kills 15% of folks over 80. Other stuff is a lot harder on them.
It kills AIDS people too. That’s tough. For them. But they won’t be infecting anyone else with AIDS, now will they?
It kills meth heads, maybe smokers, and so on. Down side? Even for them, it beats lung or throat cancer, after all.
People die. It’s what we do. I will, you all will, and we don’t get a damn choice about when or how unless we kill ourselves, and get it right when we do it. Nothing lives forever. And casting the world, and particularly America, into a horrible depression that will do more to forever extinguish liberty, simply to try to save the least productive of us, is folly. Yeah, that’s a hard outlook. But it beats the alternative, which is what they are trying to give us. What good are people too old, too sick, or too damaged to produce anything, when you can’t even feed them because of what it took to save them?
Yeah well f,uck you right in your stinkin old ass hole. It doesn't just kill ancient folks in nursing homes. I've got parents in their 70's I want to be around for few more years and brothers and friends in their 40's, 50's and 60's I'd still like to have above ground when this is over.
So it's worth collapsing the global economy? Our govt is making decisions that will impact is for a LONG time to come. We need a measured response. This is no time to act rash.
The economy will rebuild like it always has. We may well even benefit in time if more production comes back to the US.
You're an emotional little bitch. So you think another trillion In debt will make us stronger? JFC......(shaking my head)
One more ain't much on top of what's already there. JFC you're an ass hole.
Is all this going to save lives, or just spread out the total deaths over a longer timeline?
I suppose nobody really knows.
I keep hearing the medical experts on the boob-tube say that we need to 'flatten the curve'. To me that doesn't sound like 'save lives'.
Only because you're a dumbass that can't figure out flattening the curve will allow the sick to be put in hospital rooms on the ventilators they'll need to stay alive. Too many sick at once and there won't be enough rooms and ventilators to go around.
Why don't you go wash the sand out of your vagina.
Why don't you go suck a sweaty black ball sack.
Hate to distract you from your dinner planning, but here's a question about the topic at hand.
What is the survival rate of those Covid-19 patients put on respirators? Anybody heard?
Last I knew about 56%. For those needing one that don't get it 0%. A married couple from my mothers church were in ICU on respirators last weekend. He's in his early 40's and she's in her late 30's. They have three children still living at home. Haven't heard anything more about how they're doing.
I have a friend on the CCU for a week now due to hypothermia and an uncle dying of cancer, who probably won't make it through the night. But since it's not the Virus du jour nobody really gives a [bleep]. Life's a bitch, we live, we die....sometimes way too soon, sometimes en masse. To crater the economy without a lot of deliberation and imperical evidence to base decisions on is irresponsible.
Is all this going to save lives, or just spread out the total deaths over a longer timeline?
I suppose nobody really knows.
I keep hearing the medical experts on the boob-tube say that we need to 'flatten the curve'. To me that doesn't sound like 'save lives'.
Only because you're a dumbass that can't figure out flattening the curve will allow the sick to be put in hospital rooms on the ventilators they'll need to stay alive. Too many sick at once and there won't be enough rooms and ventilators to go around.
Why don't you go wash the sand out of your vagina.
He has permanent sand in his vagina, on any topic...
He's a victim's victim and an angry one.
I thought everyone on this forum knew that....grin ...
Is all this going to save lives, or just spread out the total deaths over a longer timeline?
I suppose nobody really knows.
I keep hearing the medical experts on the boob-tube say that we need to 'flatten the curve'. To me that doesn't sound like 'save lives'.
Only because you're a dumbass that can't figure out flattening the curve will allow the sick to be put in hospital rooms on the ventilators they'll need to stay alive. Too many sick at once and there won't be enough rooms and ventilators to go around.
Why don't you go wash the sand out of your vagina.
Why don't you go suck a sweaty black ball sack.
Hate to distract you from your dinner planning, but here's a question about the topic at hand.
What is the survival rate of those Covid-19 patients put on respirators? Anybody heard?
Last I knew about 56%. For those needing one that don't get it 0%. A married couple from my mothers church were in ICU on respirators last weekend. He's in his early 40's and she's in her late 30's. They have three children still living at home. Haven't heard anything more about how they're doing.
I have a friend on the CCU for a week now due to hypothermia and an uncle dying of cancer, who probably won't make it through the night. But since it's not the Virus du jour nobody really gives a [bleep]. Life's a bitch, we live, we die....sometimes way too soon, sometimes en masse. To crater the economy without a lot of deliberation and imperical evidence to base decisions on is irresponsible.
There's enough data compiled and being studied by folks a hell of a lot smarter than you to know without drastic measures taken to control the spread of this virus now, millions are going to die in this Country. And they aren't all going to be old and/or infirm.
Is all this going to save lives, or just spread out the total deaths over a longer timeline?
I suppose nobody really knows.
I keep hearing the medical experts on the boob-tube say that we need to 'flatten the curve'. To me that doesn't sound like 'save lives'.
Only because you're a dumbass that can't figure out flattening the curve will allow the sick to be put in hospital rooms on the ventilators they'll need to stay alive. Too many sick at once and there won't be enough rooms and ventilators to go around.
Why don't you go wash the sand out of your vagina.
Why don't you go suck a sweaty black ball sack.
Hate to distract you from your dinner planning, but here's a question about the topic at hand.
What is the survival rate of those Covid-19 patients put on respirators? Anybody heard?
Last I knew about 56%. For those needing one that don't get it 0%. A married couple from my mothers church were in ICU on respirators last weekend. He's in his early 40's and she's in her late 30's. They have three children still living at home. Haven't heard anything more about how they're doing.
I have a friend on the CCU for a week now due to hypothermia and an uncle dying of cancer, who probably won't make it through the night. But since it's not the Virus du jour nobody really gives a [bleep]. Life's a bitch, we live, we die....sometimes way too soon, sometimes en masse. To crater the economy without a lot of deliberation and imperical evidence to base decisions on is irresponsible.
There's enough data compiled and being studied by folks a hell of a lot smarter than you to know without drastic measures taken to control the spread of this virus now, millions are going to die in this Country. And they aren't all going to be old and/or infirm.
Millions????? You're a fuqking idiot. If there are less than 10,000 will you close your account here on the Fire and never make us hear your babbling bullsheit again?
Is all this going to save lives, or just spread out the total deaths over a longer timeline?
I suppose nobody really knows.
I keep hearing the medical experts on the boob-tube say that we need to 'flatten the curve'. To me that doesn't sound like 'save lives'.
Only because you're a dumbass that can't figure out flattening the curve will allow the sick to be put in hospital rooms on the ventilators they'll need to stay alive. Too many sick at once and there won't be enough rooms and ventilators to go around.
Why don't you go wash the sand out of your vagina.
He has permanent sand in his vagina, on any topic...
He's a victim's victim and an angry one.
I thought everyone on this forum knew that....grin ...
Says the genius f.uckin bee keeper. What a sad little joke you are. Pissant.
People die. It’s what we do. I will, you all will, and we don’t get a damn choice about when or how unless we kill ourselves, and get it right when we do it. Nothing lives forever. And casting the world, and particularly America, into a horrible depression that will do more to forever extinguish liberty, simply to try to save the least productive of us, is folly. Yeah, that’s a hard outlook. But it beats the alternative, which is what they are trying to give us. What good are people too old, too sick, or too damaged to produce anything, when you can’t even feed them because of what it took to save them?
Ebenezer Scrooge (pre epiphany) could not have said it much better. It will eliminate the surplus population. What a heartless bastard.
Actually it won't because 98% of the fatalities are past the age of reproduction.
But it might make Social Security and Medicare solvent again in the short term. Assuming there is any money left in .Gov coffers for either program when this is over, or a government left to administer said programs.
Is all this going to save lives, or just spread out the total deaths over a longer timeline?
I suppose nobody really knows.
I keep hearing the medical experts on the boob-tube say that we need to 'flatten the curve'. To me that doesn't sound like 'save lives'.
Only because you're a dumbass that can't figure out flattening the curve will allow the sick to be put in hospital rooms on the ventilators they'll need to stay alive. Too many sick at once and there won't be enough rooms and ventilators to go around.
Why don't you go wash the sand out of your vagina.
He has permanent sand in his vagina, on any topic...
He's a victim's victim and an angry one.
I thought everyone on this forum knew that....grin ...
Says the genius f.uckin bee keeper. What a sad little joke you are. Pissant.
The virus that’s killed less than 10,000 world wide after being on the planet for over 4 months is going to kill millions in the country with the best medical system on that planet.
Is all this going to save lives, or just spread out the total deaths over a longer timeline?
I suppose nobody really knows.
I keep hearing the medical experts on the boob-tube say that we need to 'flatten the curve'. To me that doesn't sound like 'save lives'.
Only because you're a dumbass that can't figure out flattening the curve will allow the sick to be put in hospital rooms on the ventilators they'll need to stay alive. Too many sick at once and there won't be enough rooms and ventilators to go around.
Why don't you go wash the sand out of your vagina.
He has permanent sand in his vagina, on any topic...
He's a victim's victim and an angry one.
I thought everyone on this forum knew that....grin ...
Says the genius f.uckin bee keeper. What a sad little joke you are. Pissant.
Lmao. No clue.
That's a 0.1% of my time hobby.
You're a cranky old victim. Mad at the world around them, but not knowing you created yours.
Regale us with your mountain hunting tales of the Yankee mountains....lmao...
Millions????? You're a fuqking idiot. If there are less than 10,000 will you close your account here on the Fire and never make us hear your babbling bullsheit again?
According to the models of the spread of this virus compiled by experts in the field, yes, a couple million over the next 3-6 months. You'll have to excuse me for putting just a little more faith in their predictions than yours.
Is all this going to save lives, or just spread out the total deaths over a longer timeline?
I suppose nobody really knows.
I keep hearing the medical experts on the boob-tube say that we need to 'flatten the curve'. To me that doesn't sound like 'save lives'.
Only because you're a dumbass that can't figure out flattening the curve will allow the sick to be put in hospital rooms on the ventilators they'll need to stay alive. Too many sick at once and there won't be enough rooms and ventilators to go around.
Why don't you go wash the sand out of your vagina.
He has permanent sand in his vagina, on any topic...
He's a victim's victim and an angry one.
I thought everyone on this forum knew that....grin ...
Says the genius f.uckin bee keeper. What a sad little joke you are. Pissant.
Lmao. No clue.
That's a 0.1% of my time hobby.
You're a cranky old victim. Mad at the world around them, but not knowing your own...
JFC, you're dumber than a hay rake in a potato patch. Not worth my time arguing with an idiot.
it hasn’t killed a hundred here yet. We need a power of 4 to reach a million . Four more zeros, Blackheart. If your lungs or immune system is already weak then you are much more likely to succumb. I hate that.
I wish you and some others would quit calling it a "flu". It's not. It's a different type of virus. They both kill people and they share some symptoms. Coronavirus' including COVID-19, is not Influenza of any type. They do both cause Pneumonia and that's what actually kills people.
I wish you and some others would quit calling it a "flu". It's not. It's a different type of virus. They both kill people and they share some symptoms. Coronavirus' including COVID-19, is not Influenza of any type. They do both cause Pneumonia and that's what actually kills people.
I wish you and some others would quit calling it a "flu". It's not. It's a different type of virus. They both kill people and they share some symptoms. Coronavirus' including COVID-19, is not Influenza of any type. They do both cause Pneumonia and that's what actually kills people.
I wish you and some others would quit calling it a "flu". It's not. It's a different type of virus. They both kill people and they share some symptoms. Coronavirus' including COVID-19, is not Influenza of any type. They do both cause Pneumonia and that's what actually kills people.
It kills people the same. Dead. Call it what you want. What the WHO wants to call it.
I call it a big fu cking joke, big hysteria play.....
Less than a 100 deaths and a pending national shutdown? That’s a head scratcher
Makes about as much sense as sending each American adult a $1000 check as economic stimulus, then ordering them to lock themselves in at home and don't go spend it...
Blackheart has found himself in yet another dick swinging contest.
Fûcking shocking.
I’ll never forget the time he was target shooting with his Marlin 39 from the couch out of the window. He threw the rifle backward over his shoulder and used a mirror to aim. He hit a plate at 100 yards about 250 out of 300 tries.
Blackheart has found himself in yet another dick swinging contest.
Fûcking shocking.
I’ll never forget the time he was target shooting with his Marlin 39 from the couch out of the window. He threw the rifle backward over his shoulder and used a mirror to aim. He hit a plate at 100 yards about 250 out of 300 tries.
Blackheart has found himself in yet another dick swinging contest.
Fûcking shocking.
I’ll never forget the time he was target shooting with his Marlin 39 from the couch out of the window. He threw the rifle backward over his shoulder and used a mirror to aim. He hit a plate at 100 yards about 250 out of 300 tries.
Hate to distract you from your dinner planning, but here's a question about the topic at hand.
What is the survival rate of those Covid-19 patients put on respirators? Anybody heard?
Of the people who go onto a ventilator, under any medical condition, only 50% survive to come off it. Only 30% of the total that are put on survive a year. There was a study in the medical industry from 2015 that created those statistics.
With the Covid-19, and it being a virus that “directly” attacks the lungs, that 50% that come off it above, could fall quite a bit. It could be extremely low, and they aren’t reporting those numbers. Wonder why.
Bottom line, if your lung capacity is low from the start, before you even get the virus, you’re in a bad situation right off the bat, because the virus will diminish your lung capacity by about 5 METS, so you’ll need an extra tank of gas (additional lung capacity above 5 METS) to be able to breath and supply oxygen to your body.
A normal person with zero health issues: No smoking, no COPD, diabetes, no severe over weight, etc. consumes the following METS:
1 - MET – sitting 2/3 - METS walking around, working 8 – METS working out on a stair stepper, fast walk sustained 30 minutes, or casual jog 10-12 min./mile for 2.5 – 3 miles.
So you see, if you start with 8 METS and the virus robs you of 5 METS, you’ll have 3 MET reserve capacity left to just lay in bed, and breath or get up and walk to eat, etc.
That is why it is critical for people to start doing a cardio work-out, however they can RIGHT NOW, to build up their lung capacity, so they’ll have a chance to fight it. It takes about 2 months normally, some faster. Just depends where you’re starting from capacity wise.
You can see, if you start off with a diminished capacity, you’re cooked right off the bat. A respirator can not make up that capacity.
Even if the elderly have leg joint issues, et al., they can give their lungs a workout just doing deep breathing, slow so they don’t hyperventilate, for an extended period, to build up.
The reason it isn’t killing kids, is the fact they have good lungs: run around all day. As people get older, they stop staying in shape (low lung capacity), thus the death rate climbs as the age goes up.
It’s a bad deal all around with the way it attacks the lungs.
Thanks for this thread Roger, it forced me to go to the store. I'd been putting it off, not wanting to fight the madness, hoping it would calm down, and was waiting for the initial rush to slow down. I got lucky where I went, and it was slow, and got to load up the cart: Crap load of meat, ton of bacon and eggs, good supply of veggies, lots of butter, etc. Keeping my freezer full of game meat as a reserve/emergency safety line.
Keep your dad eating lots of veggies to help keep his immune system strong as possible from all of the vitamins. Eat as much of it raw as you can, or just steam it, so you don't cook away the live enzymes, like boiling veggies to cook them does. Keep the protein intake from animal meat low right now, That feeds the cancer. No carbs, that turns to sugar and feeds it too. Plus carbs are worthless as a food source. Have zero value. Plant some garlic, good for fighting the cancer too.
If you don't have it, get a veggie garden in. You still have time, and you can plant Purple hull peas pretty late into the season, May-June I think.
[bleep] Navy ships for the flu. Either they aren't telling us the truth or we've hit the tipping point and there's more idiots than rational people now. Tanking the global economy to the tune of trillions of $$ to save a few hundred thousand lives.
If we save a million lives by taking these extreme measures and tanking the economy, and we only cost the economy one trillion, that's still a million dollars per life saved. In a world population of 8.5 billion people, one million dead is only .011% of the population. Mass hysteria on a global level. There are people who's names most of us will never know that will make fortunes untold off the backs of hard working Americans during this exaggerated "crisis" Money our children and grandchildren will be paying interest on.
What a touching outlook.
Yeah no shyt. Fuggin douchebag more concerned with money than human lives. One can only hope people with that attitude are among the victims who perish.
Beats the fuggin douchebags that think every damn thing that breathes, has to keep breathing indefinitely. Trashing the economy, and in the process, millions of lives of working people and their children, for the benefit of the people who have spent their life trashing their body and are now fat, sick and damaged as a result, is retarded. Coronavirus kills the very old, the already sick, and those damaged by contaminants.
Look, I got a grandpa who is 90, his back is disintegrating when he moves, and he is in a care center right now. I do not want him to catch this. It will kill him. However, if it does, it beat something else by at most a year. And it’s nothing I can do anything about. Except wait to visit him until there is no chance of me infecting him. Even though he is ready to go. Tired of hurting. So this virus kills 15% of folks over 80. Other stuff is a lot harder on them.
It kills AIDS people too. That’s tough. For them. But they won’t be infecting anyone else with AIDS, now will they?
It kills meth heads, maybe smokers, and so on. Down side? Even for them, it beats lung or throat cancer, after all.
People die. It’s what we do. I will, you all will, and we don’t get a damn choice about when or how unless we kill ourselves, and get it right when we do it. Nothing lives forever. And casting the world, and particularly America, into a horrible depression that will do more to forever extinguish liberty, simply to try to save the least productive of us, is folly. Yeah, that’s a hard outlook. But it beats the alternative, which is what they are trying to give us. What good are people too old, too sick, or too damaged to produce anything, when you can’t even feed them because of what it took to save them?
I wish you and some others would quit calling it a "flu". It's not. It's a different type of virus. They both kill people and they share some symptoms. Coronavirus' including COVID-19, is not Influenza of any type. They do both cause Pneumonia and that's what actually kills people.
Is all this going to save lives, or just spread out the total deaths over a longer timeline?
I suppose nobody really knows.
I keep hearing the medical experts on the boob-tube say that we need to 'flatten the curve'. To me that doesn't sound like 'save lives'.
It will save lives by limiting the total number who will ever contract it, and by spreading it out over time permitting the development of a vaccine and treatment earlier in the death count that would otherwise occur. Spreading it out over time also saves lives by freeing up more medical resources per victim. Furthermore, it's not true that eventually everyone will get it. There are all sorts of terrible diseases that have passed by that everyone didn't eventually get. Did you eventually get SARS? Did you eventually get the Swine Flu? Did you eventually get Ebola?
A married couple from my mothers church were in ICU on respirators last weekend. He's in his early 40's and she's in her late 30's. They have three children still living at home. Haven't heard anything more about how they're doing.
A married couple from my mothers church were in ICU on respirators last weekend. He's in his early 40's and she's in her late 30's. They have three children still living at home. Haven't heard anything more about how they're doing.
I call BS
I don't give a shyt what you call you needle dick f.ucktard.
The friggin' doctors ought to be competent enough to treat them before they need a ventilator.
On this one, Tyrone,, go get another cup of coffee. You’re not awake yet.
I think you are the one that's missed the news.
I took a long bike ride with one of my doctor friends yesterday. She is working at the hospital where most of the area's COVID positive patients are being cared for. There really is no effective treatment at this point. The disease is going to run its course. About the only thing they can do is help the patient breathe when their lungs no longer have the capacity to function independently.
There are some signs of hope that very inexpensive anti-malarial drugs will help with the disease. There are also signs that HIV drugs will work. There are signs that a combination is very effective in test tube trials. Human trials are set to begin in Australia.
[bleep] Navy ships for the flu. Either they aren't telling us the truth or we've hit the tipping point and there's more idiots than rational people now. Tanking the global economy to the tune of trillions of $$ to save a few hundred thousand lives.
If we save a million lives by taking these extreme measures and tanking the economy, and we only cost the economy one trillion, that's still a million dollars per life saved. In a world population of 8.5 billion people, one million dead is only .011% of the population. Mass hysteria on a global level. There are people who's names most of us will never know that will make fortunes untold off the backs of hard working Americans during this exaggerated "crisis" Money our children and grandchildren will be paying interest on.
What a touching outlook.
Yeah no shyt. Fuggin douchebag more concerned with money than human lives. One can only hope people with that attitude are among the victims who perish.
Beats the fuggin douchebags that think every damn thing that breathes, has to keep breathing indefinitely. Trashing the economy, and in the process, millions of lives of working people and their children, for the benefit of the people who have spent their life trashing their body and are now fat, sick and damaged as a result, is retarded. Coronavirus kills the very old, the already sick, and those damaged by contaminants.
Look, I got a grandpa who is 90, his back is disintegrating when he moves, and he is in a care center right now. I do not want him to catch this. It will kill him. However, if it does, it beat something else by at most a year. And it’s nothing I can do anything about. Except wait to visit him until there is no chance of me infecting him. Even though he is ready to go. Tired of hurting. So this virus kills 15% of folks over 80. Other stuff is a lot harder on them.
It kills AIDS people too. That’s tough. For them. But they won’t be infecting anyone else with AIDS, now will they?
It kills meth heads, maybe smokers, and so on. Down side? Even for them, it beats lung or throat cancer, after all.
People die. It’s what we do. I will, you all will, and we don’t get a damn choice about when or how unless we kill ourselves, and get it right when we do it. Nothing lives forever. And casting the world, and particularly America, into a horrible depression that will do more to forever extinguish liberty, simply to try to save the least productive of us, is folly. Yeah, that’s a hard outlook. But it beats the alternative, which is what they are trying to give us. What good are people too old, too sick, or too damaged to produce anything, when you can’t even feed them because of what it took to save them?
Yeah well f,uck you right in your stinkin old ass hole. It doesn't just kill ancient folks in nursing homes. I've got parents in their 70's I want to be around for few more years and brothers and friends in their 40's, 50's and 60's I'd still like to have above ground when this is over.
So it's worth collapsing the global economy? Our govt is making decisions that will impact is for a LONG time to come. We need a measured response. This is no time to act rash.
The economy will rebuild like it always has. We may well even benefit in time if more production comes back to the US.
What a tard. Yeah, the economy will come roaring back, production will come back, and the rainbow stew will flow. Because we shut the damn country down and sent everybody home, paid their bills with debt from the presses, and waited for China to come back online and profit from supplying the whole damn world with every damn thing like old times. This is beautiful. China goes down, and instead of stomping a mud hole in their collective azz, we shut ourselves down and crash our economy, giving them time to recover, so they can kick us when we are down. Brilliant.
Let me tell you something. My daughter is a surgical tech at a local Level 4 trauma center. She got told yesterday she is on an on call basis until further notice, meaning they will call her if they need her. Because they are running out of surgical supplies to work with. We are already [bleep] with regard to the medical industry, because they get every damn thing from China. And we can’t make our own, because we sent everyone home to flatten the curve.
We need to be busting our collective azz to get back to making necessities, not hiding in our houses hoping everyone survives this. What ever happened to folks placing a value on their contribution to society, and society working together to benefit the whole? Not communism, just responsibility and common sense. All I hear from the ninnies who call me a monster is, “I want to live. I want my family to live.” Well, maybe you will. But if we don’t all pull our heads out and get busy, maybe sacrifice a little to benefit our neighbors, we might breathe on, but what for? Being a debt slave to China and taking whatever crumbs you can snatch is no life at all. Life is nothing without liberty.
[bleep] Navy ships for the flu. Either they aren't telling us the truth or we've hit the tipping point and there's more idiots than rational people now. Tanking the global economy to the tune of trillions of $$ to save a few hundred thousand lives.
If we save a million lives by taking these extreme measures and tanking the economy, and we only cost the economy one trillion, that's still a million dollars per life saved. In a world population of 8.5 billion people, one million dead is only .011% of the population. Mass hysteria on a global level. There are people who's names most of us will never know that will make fortunes untold off the backs of hard working Americans during this exaggerated "crisis" Money our children and grandchildren will be paying interest on.
What a touching outlook.
Yeah no shyt. Fuggin douchebag more concerned with money than human lives. One can only hope people with that attitude are among the victims who perish.
Beats the fuggin douchebags that think every damn thing that breathes, has to keep breathing indefinitely. Trashing the economy, and in the process, millions of lives of working people and their children, for the benefit of the people who have spent their life trashing their body and are now fat, sick and damaged as a result, is retarded. Coronavirus kills the very old, the already sick, and those damaged by contaminants.
Look, I got a grandpa who is 90, his back is disintegrating when he moves, and he is in a care center right now. I do not want him to catch this. It will kill him. However, if it does, it beat something else by at most a year. And it’s nothing I can do anything about. Except wait to visit him until there is no chance of me infecting him. Even though he is ready to go. Tired of hurting. So this virus kills 15% of folks over 80. Other stuff is a lot harder on them.
It kills AIDS people too. That’s tough. For them. But they won’t be infecting anyone else with AIDS, now will they?
It kills meth heads, maybe smokers, and so on. Down side? Even for them, it beats lung or throat cancer, after all.
People die. It’s what we do. I will, you all will, and we don’t get a damn choice about when or how unless we kill ourselves, and get it right when we do it. Nothing lives forever. And casting the world, and particularly America, into a horrible depression that will do more to forever extinguish liberty, simply to try to save the least productive of us, is folly. Yeah, that’s a hard outlook. But it beats the alternative, which is what they are trying to give us. What good are people too old, too sick, or too damaged to produce anything, when you can’t even feed them because of what it took to save them?
Yeah well f,uck you right in your stinkin old ass hole. It doesn't just kill ancient folks in nursing homes. I've got parents in their 70's I want to be around for few more years and brothers and friends in their 40's, 50's and 60's I'd still like to have above ground when this is over.
So it's worth collapsing the global economy? Our govt is making decisions that will impact is for a LONG time to come. We need a measured response. This is no time to act rash.
The economy will rebuild like it always has. We may well even benefit in time if more production comes back to the US.
What a tard. Yeah, the economy will come roaring back, production will come back, and the rainbow stew will flow. Because we shut the damn country down and sent everybody home, paid their bills with debt from the presses, and waited for China to come back online and profit from supplying the whole damn world with every damn thing like old times. This is beautiful. China goes down, and instead of stomping a mud hole in their collective azz, we shut ourselves down and crash our economy, giving them time to recover, so they can kick us when we are down. Brilliant.
Let me tell you something. My daughter is a surgical tech at a local Level 4 trauma center. She got told yesterday she is on an on call basis until further notice, meaning they will call her if they need her. Because they are running out of surgical supplies to work with. We are already [bleep] with regard to the medical industry, because they get every damn thing from China. And we can’t make our own, because we sent everyone home to flatten the curve.
We need to be busting our collective azz to get back to making necessities, not hiding in our houses hoping everyone survives this. What ever happened to folks placing a value on their contribution to society, and society working together to benefit the whole? Not communism, just responsibility and common sense. All I hear from the ninnies who call me a monster is, “I want to live. I want my family to live.” Well, maybe you will. But if we don’t all pull our heads out and get busy, maybe sacrifice a little to benefit our neighbors, we might breathe on, but what for? Being a debt slave to China and taking whatever crumbs you can snatch is no life at all. Life is nothing without liberty.
Go suck a Glock you big mouthed old ass hole. I'm far from the only one who thinks this will be the wake up call that will bring production back here from China.
I took a long bike ride with one of my doctor friends yesterday. She is working at the hospital where most of the area's COVID positive patients are being cared for. There really is no effective treatment at this point. The disease is going to run its course. About the only thing they can do is help the patient breathe when their lungs no longer have the capacity to function independently.
There are some signs of hope that very inexpensive anti-malarial drugs will help with the disease. There are also signs that HIV drugs will work. There are signs that a combination is very effective in test tube trials. Human trials are set to begin in Australia.
Ask her what they've actually tried. My guess is they haven't tried anything except throw their hands up.
The friggin' doctors ought to be competent enough to treat them before they need a ventilator.
On this one, Tyrone,, go get another cup of coffee. You’re not awake yet.
I think you are the one that's missed the news.
I took a long bike ride with one of my doctor friends yesterday. She is working at the hospital where most of the area's COVID positive patients are being cared for. There really is no effective treatment at this point. The disease is going to run its course. About the only thing they can do is help the patient breathe when their lungs no longer have the capacity to function independently.
There are some signs of hope that very inexpensive anti-malarial drugs will help with the disease. There are also signs that HIV drugs will work. There are signs that a combination is very effective in test tube trials. Human trials are set to begin in Australia.
In the meantime here, lets let folks die instead of trying a set of drugs to see if they would help.. I"ve never understood this.
well blackheart sure spiked the entertainment factor around here, strange handle BTW
I rarely agree with him, but he is right about this............we don't know what the long term impact of this is going to be, and anyone that says otherwise is merely speculating.
Three times a day, at least! Just a pinch of good American Whiskey will provide all the comfort you can stand from all the dizzies and punies that affect you. I won't go so far as to recommend any label, as most will suffice, even the lowly mason jar contents.
I took a long bike ride with one of my doctor friends yesterday. She is working at the hospital where most of the area's COVID positive patients are being cared for. There really is no effective treatment at this point. The disease is going to run its course. About the only thing they can do is help the patient breathe when their lungs no longer have the capacity to function independently.
There are some signs of hope that very inexpensive anti-malarial drugs will help with the disease. There are also signs that HIV drugs will work. There are signs that a combination is very effective in test tube trials. Human trials are set to begin in Australia.
Ask her what they've actually tried. My guess is they haven't tried anything except throw their hands up.
Maybe a silver lining in this mess is Trump's "Right to Try" law. If I get this crap I am going to request a trial of Anti-malarial and HIV meds.
Hate to distract you from your dinner planning, but here's a question about the topic at hand.
What is the survival rate of those Covid-19 patients put on respirators? Anybody heard?
Of the people who go onto a respirator, under any medical condition, only 50% survive to come off it. Only 30% of the total that are put on survive a year. There was a study in the medical industry from 2015 that created those statistics.
With the Covid-19, and it being a virus that “directly” attacks the lungs, that 50% that come off it above, could fall quite a bit. It could be extremely low, and they aren’t reporting those numbers. Wonder why.
Bottom line, if your lung capacity is low from the start, before you even get the virus, you’re in a bad situation right off the bat, because the virus will diminish your lung capacity by about 5 METS, so you’ll need an extra tank of gas (additional lung capacity above 5 METS) to be able to breath and supply oxygen to your body.
A normal person with zero health issues: No smoking, no COPD, diabetes, no severe over weight, etc. consumes the following METS:
1 - MET – sitting 2/3 - METS walking around, working 8 – METS working out on a stair stepper, fast walk sustained 30 minutes, or casual jog 10-12 min./mile for 2.5 – 3 miles.
So you see, if you start with 8 METS and the virus robs you of 5 METS, you’ll have 3 MET reserve capacity left to just lay in bed, and breath or get up and walk to eat, etc.
That is why it is critical for people to start doing a cardio work-out, however they can RIGHT NOW, to build up their lung capacity, so they’ll have a chance to fight it. It takes about 2 months normally, some faster. Just depends where you’re starting from capacity wise.
You can see, if you start off with a diminished capacity, you’re cooked right off the bat. A respirator can not make up that capacity.
Even if the elderly have leg joint issues, et al., they can give their lungs a workout just doing deep breathing, slow so they don’t hyperventilate, for an extended period, to build up.
The reason it isn’t killing kids, is the fact they have good lungs: run around all day. As people get older, they stop staying in shape (low lung capacity), thus the death rate climbs as the age goes up.
It’s a bad deal all around with the way it attacks the lungs.
Interesting. Thanks for taking the time for that detailed reply.
I took a long bike ride with one of my doctor friends yesterday. She is working at the hospital where most of the area's COVID positive patients are being cared for. There really is no effective treatment at this point. The disease is going to run its course. About the only thing they can do is help the patient breathe when their lungs no longer have the capacity to function independently.
There are some signs of hope that very inexpensive anti-malarial drugs will help with the disease. There are also signs that HIV drugs will work. There are signs that a combination is very effective in test tube trials. Human trials are set to begin in Australia.
Ask her what they've actually tried. My guess is they haven't tried anything except throw their hands up.
Better yet, give your phone number to Paul and he’ll have her call you so you can straighten her ass out.
Hate to distract you from your dinner planning, but here's a question about the topic at hand.
What is the survival rate of those Covid-19 patients put on respirators? Anybody heard?
Of the people who go onto a respirator, under any medical condition, only 50% survive to come off it. Only 30% of the total that are put on survive a year. There was a study in the medical industry from 2015 that created those statistics.
With the Covid-19, and it being a virus that “directly” attacks the lungs, that 50% that come off it above, could fall quite a bit. It could be extremely low, and they aren’t reporting those numbers. Wonder why.
Bottom line, if your lung capacity is low from the start, before you even get the virus, you’re in a bad situation right off the bat, because the virus will diminish your lung capacity by about 5 METS, so you’ll need an extra tank of gas (additional lung capacity above 5 METS) to be able to breath and supply oxygen to your body.
A normal person with zero health issues: No smoking, no COPD, diabetes, no severe over weight, etc. consumes the following METS:
1 - MET – sitting 2/3 - METS walking around, working 8 – METS working out on a stair stepper, fast walk sustained 30 minutes, or casual jog 10-12 min./mile for 2.5 – 3 miles.
So you see, if you start with 8 METS and the virus robs you of 5 METS, you’ll have 3 MET reserve capacity left to just lay in bed, and breath or get up and walk to eat, etc.
That is why it is critical for people to start doing a cardio work-out, however they can RIGHT NOW, to build up their lung capacity, so they’ll have a chance to fight it. It takes about 2 months normally, some faster. Just depends where you’re starting from capacity wise.
You can see, if you start off with a diminished capacity, you’re cooked right off the bat. A respirator can not make up that capacity.
Even if the elderly have leg joint issues, et al., they can give their lungs a workout just doing deep breathing, slow so they don’t hyperventilate, for an extended period, to build up.
The reason it isn’t killing kids, is the fact they have good lungs: run around all day. As people get older, they stop staying in shape (low lung capacity), thus the death rate climbs as the age goes up.
It’s a bad deal all around with the way it attacks the lungs.
Interesting. Thanks for taking the time for that detailed reply.
Agreed, very interesting.
Elkslayer - do you have or know where we can find and read that study? Not doubting what you wrote, I'm interested in learning more.
Hate to distract you from your dinner planning, but here's a question about the topic at hand.
What is the survival rate of those Covid-19 patients put on respirators? Anybody heard?
Of the people who go onto a respirator, under any medical condition, only 50% survive to come off it. Only 30% of the total that are put on survive a year. There was a study in the medical industry from 2015 that created those statistics.
With the Covid-19, and it being a virus that “directly” attacks the lungs, that 50% that come off it above, could fall quite a bit. It could be extremely low, and they aren’t reporting those numbers. Wonder why.
Bottom line, if your lung capacity is low from the start, before you even get the virus, you’re in a bad situation right off the bat, because the virus will diminish your lung capacity by about 5 METS, so you’ll need an extra tank of gas (additional lung capacity above 5 METS) to be able to breath and supply oxygen to your body.
A normal person with zero health issues: No smoking, no COPD, diabetes, no severe over weight, etc. consumes the following METS:
1 - MET – sitting 2/3 - METS walking around, working 8 – METS working out on a stair stepper, fast walk sustained 30 minutes, or casual jog 10-12 min./mile for 2.5 – 3 miles.
So you see, if you start with 8 METS and the virus robs you of 5 METS, you’ll have 3 MET reserve capacity left to just lay in bed, and breath or get up and walk to eat, etc.
That is why it is critical for people to start doing a cardio work-out, however they can RIGHT NOW, to build up their lung capacity, so they’ll have a chance to fight it. It takes about 2 months normally, some faster. Just depends where you’re starting from capacity wise.
You can see, if you start off with a diminished capacity, you’re cooked right off the bat. A respirator can not make up that capacity.
Even if the elderly have leg joint issues, et al., they can give their lungs a workout just doing deep breathing, slow so they don’t hyperventilate, for an extended period, to build up.
The reason it isn’t killing kids, is the fact they have good lungs: run around all day. As people get older, they stop staying in shape (low lung capacity), thus the death rate climbs as the age goes up.
It’s a bad deal all around with the way it attacks the lungs.
Hate to distract you from your dinner planning, but here's a question about the topic at hand.
What is the survival rate of those Covid-19 patients put on respirators? Anybody heard?
Of the people who go onto a respirator, under any medical condition, only 50% survive to come off it. Only 30% of the total that are put on survive a year. There was a study in the medical industry from 2015 that created those statistics.
With the Covid-19, and it being a virus that “directly” attacks the lungs, that 50% that come off it above, could fall quite a bit. It could be extremely low, and they aren’t reporting those numbers. Wonder why.
Bottom line, if your lung capacity is low from the start, before you even get the virus, you’re in a bad situation right off the bat, because the virus will diminish your lung capacity by about 5 METS, so you’ll need an extra tank of gas (additional lung capacity above 5 METS) to be able to breath and supply oxygen to your body.
A normal person with zero health issues: No smoking, no COPD, diabetes, no severe over weight, etc. consumes the following METS:
1 - MET – sitting 2/3 - METS walking around, working 8 – METS working out on a stair stepper, fast walk sustained 30 minutes, or casual jog 10-12 min./mile for 2.5 – 3 miles.
So you see, if you start with 8 METS and the virus robs you of 5 METS, you’ll have 3 MET reserve capacity left to just lay in bed, and breath or get up and walk to eat, etc.
That is why it is critical for people to start doing a cardio work-out, however they can RIGHT NOW, to build up their lung capacity, so they’ll have a chance to fight it. It takes about 2 months normally, some faster. Just depends where you’re starting from capacity wise.
You can see, if you start off with a diminished capacity, you’re cooked right off the bat. A respirator can not make up that capacity.
Even if the elderly have leg joint issues, et al., they can give their lungs a workout just doing deep breathing, slow so they don’t hyperventilate, for an extended period, to build up.
The reason it isn’t killing kids, is the fact they have good lungs: run around all day. As people get older, they stop staying in shape (low lung capacity), thus the death rate climbs as the age goes up.
It’s a bad deal all around with the way it attacks the lungs.
Hate to distract you from your dinner planning, but here's a question about the topic at hand.
What is the survival rate of those Covid-19 patients put on respirators? Anybody heard?
Of the people who go onto a respirator, under any medical condition, only 50% survive to come off it. Only 30% of the total that are put on survive a year. There was a study in the medical industry from 2015 that created those statistics.
With the Covid-19, and it being a virus that “directly” attacks the lungs, that 50% that come off it above, could fall quite a bit. It could be extremely low, and they aren’t reporting those numbers. Wonder why.
Bottom line, if your lung capacity is low from the start, before you even get the virus, you’re in a bad situation right off the bat, because the virus will diminish your lung capacity by about 5 METS, so you’ll need an extra tank of gas (additional lung capacity above 5 METS) to be able to breath and supply oxygen to your body.
A normal person with zero health issues: No smoking, no COPD, diabetes, no severe over weight, etc. consumes the following METS:
1 - MET – sitting 2/3 - METS walking around, working 8 – METS working out on a stair stepper, fast walk sustained 30 minutes, or casual jog 10-12 min./mile for 2.5 – 3 miles.
So you see, if you start with 8 METS and the virus robs you of 5 METS, you’ll have 3 MET reserve capacity left to just lay in bed, and breath or get up and walk to eat, etc.
That is why it is critical for people to start doing a cardio work-out, however they can RIGHT NOW, to build up their lung capacity, so they’ll have a chance to fight it. It takes about 2 months normally, some faster. Just depends where you’re starting from capacity wise.
You can see, if you start off with a diminished capacity, you’re cooked right off the bat. A respirator can not make up that capacity.
Even if the elderly have leg joint issues, et al., they can give their lungs a workout just doing deep breathing, slow so they don’t hyperventilate, for an extended period, to build up.
The reason it isn’t killing kids, is the fact they have good lungs: run around all day. As people get older, they stop staying in shape (low lung capacity), thus the death rate climbs as the age goes up.
It’s a bad deal all around with the way it attacks the lungs.
Interesting. Thanks for taking the time for that detailed reply.
Agreed, very interesting.
Elkslayer - do you have or know where we can find and read that study? Not doubting what you wrote, I'm interested in learning more.
Hate to distract you from your dinner planning, but here's a question about the topic at hand.
What is the survival rate of those Covid-19 patients put on respirators? Anybody heard?
Of the people who go onto a ventilator, under any medical condition, only 50% survive to come off it. Only 30% of the total that are put on survive a year. There was a study in the medical industry from 2015 that created those statistics.
With the Covid-19, and it being a virus that “directly” attacks the lungs, that 50% that come off it above, could fall quite a bit. It could be extremely low, and they aren’t reporting those numbers. Wonder why.
Bottom line, if your lung capacity is low from the start, before you even get the virus, you’re in a bad situation right off the bat, because the virus will diminish your lung capacity by about 5 METS, so you’ll need an extra tank of gas (additional lung capacity above 5 METS) to be able to breath and supply oxygen to your body.
A normal person with zero health issues: No smoking, no COPD, diabetes, no severe over weight, etc. consumes the following METS:
1 - MET – sitting 2/3 - METS walking around, working 8 – METS working out on a stair stepper, fast walk sustained 30 minutes, or casual jog 10-12 min./mile for 2.5 – 3 miles.
So you see, if you start with 8 METS and the virus robs you of 5 METS, you’ll have 3 MET reserve capacity left to just lay in bed, and breath or get up and walk to eat, etc.
That is why it is critical for people to start doing a cardio work-out, however they can RIGHT NOW, to build up their lung capacity, so they’ll have a chance to fight it. It takes about 2 months normally, some faster. Just depends where you’re starting from capacity wise.
You can see, if you start off with a diminished capacity, you’re cooked right off the bat. A respirator can not make up that capacity.
Even if the elderly have leg joint issues, et al., they can give their lungs a workout just doing deep breathing, slow so they don’t hyperventilate, for an extended period, to build up.
The reason it isn’t killing kids, is the fact they have good lungs: run around all day. As people get older, they stop staying in shape (low lung capacity), thus the death rate climbs as the age goes up.
It’s a bad deal all around with the way it attacks the lungs.
Interesting. Thanks for taking the time for that detailed reply.
Agreed, very interesting.
Elkslayer - do you have or know where we can find and read that study? Not doubting what you wrote, I'm interested in learning more.
We reviewed a 5-year experience with mechanical ventilation in 383 men with acute respiratory failure and studied the impact of patient age, cause of acute respiratory failure, and duration of mechanical ventilation on survival. Survival rates were 66.6 percent to weaning, 61.1 percent to ICU discharge, 49.6 percent to hospital discharge, and 30.1 percent to 1 year after hospital discharge.
Hate to distract you from your dinner planning, but here's a question about the topic at hand.
What is the survival rate of those Covid-19 patients put on respirators? Anybody heard?
Of the people who go onto a respirator, under any medical condition, only 50% survive to come off it. Only 30% of the total that are put on survive a year. There was a study in the medical industry from 2015 that created those statistics.
With the Covid-19, and it being a virus that “directly” attacks the lungs, that 50% that come off it above, could fall quite a bit. It could be extremely low, and they aren’t reporting those numbers. Wonder why.
Bottom line, if your lung capacity is low from the start, before you even get the virus, you’re in a bad situation right off the bat, because the virus will diminish your lung capacity by about 5 METS, so you’ll need an extra tank of gas (additional lung capacity above 5 METS) to be able to breath and supply oxygen to your body.
A normal person with zero health issues: No smoking, no COPD, diabetes, no severe over weight, etc. consumes the following METS:
1 - MET – sitting 2/3 - METS walking around, working 8 – METS working out on a stair stepper, fast walk sustained 30 minutes, or casual jog 10-12 min./mile for 2.5 – 3 miles.
So you see, if you start with 8 METS and the virus robs you of 5 METS, you’ll have 3 MET reserve capacity left to just lay in bed, and breath or get up and walk to eat, etc.
That is why it is critical for people to start doing a cardio work-out, however they can RIGHT NOW, to build up their lung capacity, so they’ll have a chance to fight it. It takes about 2 months normally, some faster. Just depends where you’re starting from capacity wise.
You can see, if you start off with a diminished capacity, you’re cooked right off the bat. A respirator can not make up that capacity.
Even if the elderly have leg joint issues, et al., they can give their lungs a workout just doing deep breathing, slow so they don’t hyperventilate, for an extended period, to build up.
The reason it isn’t killing kids, is the fact they have good lungs: run around all day. As people get older, they stop staying in shape (low lung capacity), thus the death rate climbs as the age goes up.
It’s a bad deal all around with the way it attacks the lungs.
I think you mean ventilator not respirator.
I was tired, and it was late. It is obvious to an intelligent person, I know of what I speak.
Hate to distract you from your dinner planning, but here's a question about the topic at hand.
What is the survival rate of those Covid-19 patients put on respirators? Anybody heard?
Of the people who go onto a ventilator, under any medical condition, only 50% survive to come off it. Only 30% of the total that are put on survive a year. There was a study in the medical industry from 2015 that created those statistics.
With the Covid-19, and it being a virus that “directly” attacks the lungs, that 50% that come off it above, could fall quite a bit. It could be extremely low, and they aren’t reporting those numbers. Wonder why.
Bottom line, if your lung capacity is low from the start, before you even get the virus, you’re in a bad situation right off the bat, because the virus will diminish your lung capacity by about 5 METS, so you’ll need an extra tank of gas (additional lung capacity above 5 METS) to be able to breath and supply oxygen to your body.
A normal person with zero health issues: No smoking, no COPD, diabetes, no severe over weight, etc. consumes the following METS:
1 - MET – sitting 2/3 - METS walking around, working 8 – METS working out on a stair stepper, fast walk sustained 30 minutes, or casual jog 10-12 min./mile for 2.5 – 3 miles.
So you see, if you start with 8 METS and the virus robs you of 5 METS, you’ll have 3 MET reserve capacity left to just lay in bed, and breath or get up and walk to eat, etc.
That is why it is critical for people to start doing a cardio work-out, however they can RIGHT NOW, to build up their lung capacity, so they’ll have a chance to fight it. It takes about 2 months normally, some faster. Just depends where you’re starting from capacity wise.
You can see, if you start off with a diminished capacity, you’re cooked right off the bat. A respirator can not make up that capacity.
Even if the elderly have leg joint issues, et al., they can give their lungs a workout just doing deep breathing, slow so they don’t hyperventilate, for an extended period, to build up.
The reason it isn’t killing kids, is the fact they have good lungs: run around all day. As people get older, they stop staying in shape (low lung capacity), thus the death rate climbs as the age goes up.
It’s a bad deal all around with the way it attacks the lungs.
Interesting. Thanks for taking the time for that detailed reply.
Agreed, very interesting.
Elkslayer - do you have or know where we can find and read that study? Not doubting what you wrote, I'm interested in learning more.
I doubt it what he wrote.
Respirator.
I doubt you're capable of providing the evidence, to support the lies you continually post.
That makes you a mentally sick cyber-troll, but you're too stupid to figure that out.
Less than a 100 deaths and a pending national shutdown? That’s a head scratcher
Makes about as much sense as sending each American adult a $1000 check as economic stimulus, then ordering them to lock themselves in at home and don't go spend it...
its about stopping it before it get real bad. have everyone stay in place for awhile and let it run its course.. i worry about my 80 yr old dad, he's getting radiation for cancer.
I dont think they will stop folks from seeing drs or getting med TX.
I have treatment coming up for leukemia in salt lake, I live in Montana, this could be not so good for me.
Of the people who go onto a ventilator, under any medical condition, only 50% survive to come off it. Only 30% of the total that are put on survive a year. There was a study in the medical industry from 2015 that created those statistics.
With the Covid-19, and it being a virus that “directly” attacks the lungs, that 50% that come off it above, could fall quite a bit. It could be extremely low, and they aren’t reporting those numbers. Wonder why.
Bottom line, if your lung capacity is low from the start, before you even get the virus, you’re in a bad situation right off the bat, because the virus will diminish your lung capacity by about 5 METS, so you’ll need an extra tank of gas (additional lung capacity above 5 METS) to be able to breath and supply oxygen to your body.
A normal person with zero health issues: No smoking, no COPD, diabetes, no severe over weight, etc. consumes the following METS:
1 - MET – sitting 2/3 - METS walking around, working 8 – METS working out on a stair stepper, fast walk sustained 30 minutes, or casual jog 10-12 min./mile for 2.5 – 3 miles.
So you see, if you start with 8 METS and the virus robs you of 5 METS, you’ll have 3 MET reserve capacity left to just lay in bed, and breath or get up and walk to eat, etc.
That is why it is critical for people to start doing a cardio work-out, however they can RIGHT NOW, to build up their lung capacity, so they’ll have a chance to fight it. It takes about 2 months normally, some faster. Just depends where you’re starting from capacity wise.
You can see, if you start off with a diminished capacity, you’re cooked right off the bat. A respirator can not make up that capacity.
Even if the elderly have leg joint issues, et al., they can give their lungs a workout just doing deep breathing, slow so they don’t hyperventilate, for an extended period, to build up.
The reason it isn’t killing kids, is the fact they have good lungs: run around all day. As people get older, they stop staying in shape (low lung capacity), thus the death rate climbs as the age goes up.
It’s a bad deal all around with the way it attacks the lungs.
Hate to distract you from your dinner planning, but here's a question about the topic at hand.
What is the survival rate of those Covid-19 patients put on respirators? Anybody heard?
Of the people who go onto a respirator, under any medical condition, only 50% survive to come off it. Only 30% of the total that are put on survive a year. There was a study in the medical industry from 2015 that created those statistics.
With the Covid-19, and it being a virus that “directly” attacks the lungs, that 50% that come off it above, could fall quite a bit. It could be extremely low, and they aren’t reporting those numbers. Wonder why.
Bottom line, if your lung capacity is low from the start, before you even get the virus, you’re in a bad situation right off the bat, because the virus will diminish your lung capacity by about 5 METS, so you’ll need an extra tank of gas (additional lung capacity above 5 METS) to be able to breath and supply oxygen to your body.
A normal person with zero health issues: No smoking, no COPD, diabetes, no severe over weight, etc. consumes the following METS:
1 - MET – sitting 2/3 - METS walking around, working 8 – METS working out on a stair stepper, fast walk sustained 30 minutes, or casual jog 10-12 min./mile for 2.5 – 3 miles.
So you see, if you start with 8 METS and the virus robs you of 5 METS, you’ll have 3 MET reserve capacity left to just lay in bed, and breath or get up and walk to eat, etc.
That is why it is critical for people to start doing a cardio work-out, however they can RIGHT NOW, to build up their lung capacity, so they’ll have a chance to fight it. It takes about 2 months normally, some faster. Just depends where you’re starting from capacity wise.
You can see, if you start off with a diminished capacity, you’re cooked right off the bat. A respirator can not make up that capacity.
Even if the elderly have leg joint issues, et al., they can give their lungs a workout just doing deep breathing, slow so they don’t hyperventilate, for an extended period, to build up.
The reason it isn’t killing kids, is the fact they have good lungs: run around all day. As people get older, they stop staying in shape (low lung capacity), thus the death rate climbs as the age goes up.
It’s a bad deal all around with the way it attacks the lungs.
Interesting. Thanks for taking the time for that detailed reply.
Actually, the COVID-19 virus in not thought to “attack” the lungs. Rather the severe pathology of the lungs of those critically ill with the virus’ pneumonia is due to what’s called a “cytokene storm” which originates with one’s own immune system overreacting to fight the disease.
A vicious cycle of immune cells after more immune cells sets up a severe inflammatory response in the lung tissue damaging adjacent parenchymal tissue.
Currently looking at drugs to harness the immune system’s response.
don't how true this is but my brothers buddy who is a US Marshal called call him and told him to be prepared that the feds are going to close state borders and shut stuff down and make sure your cars are topped off and you have what you need. Jeff called his other buddy in Fl who works for a sheriffs department and he concurred. said in the 24-48 hours. now i don't know if this is true but i doubt a US Marshal would call him and bullchit him.
Hate to distract you from your dinner planning, but here's a question about the topic at hand.
What is the survival rate of those Covid-19 patients put on respirators? Anybody heard?
Of the people who go onto a respirator, under any medical condition, only 50% survive to come off it. Only 30% of the total that are put on survive a year. There was a study in the medical industry from 2015 that created those statistics.
With the Covid-19, and it being a virus that “directly” attacks the lungs, that 50% that come off it above, could fall quite a bit. It could be extremely low, and they aren’t reporting those numbers. Wonder why.
Bottom line, if your lung capacity is low from the start, before you even get the virus, you’re in a bad situation right off the bat, because the virus will diminish your lung capacity by about 5 METS, so you’ll need an extra tank of gas (additional lung capacity above 5 METS) to be able to breath and supply oxygen to your body.
A normal person with zero health issues: No smoking, no COPD, diabetes, no severe over weight, etc. consumes the following METS:
1 - MET – sitting 2/3 - METS walking around, working 8 – METS working out on a stair stepper, fast walk sustained 30 minutes, or casual jog 10-12 min./mile for 2.5 – 3 miles.
So you see, if you start with 8 METS and the virus robs you of 5 METS, you’ll have 3 MET reserve capacity left to just lay in bed, and breath or get up and walk to eat, etc.
That is why it is critical for people to start doing a cardio work-out, however they can RIGHT NOW, to build up their lung capacity, so they’ll have a chance to fight it. It takes about 2 months normally, some faster. Just depends where you’re starting from capacity wise.
You can see, if you start off with a diminished capacity, you’re cooked right off the bat. A respirator can not make up that capacity.
Even if the elderly have leg joint issues, et al., they can give their lungs a workout just doing deep breathing, slow so they don’t hyperventilate, for an extended period, to build up.
The reason it isn’t killing kids, is the fact they have good lungs: run around all day. As people get older, they stop staying in shape (low lung capacity), thus the death rate climbs as the age goes up.
It’s a bad deal all around with the way it attacks the lungs.
Interesting. Thanks for taking the time for that detailed reply.
Actually, the COVID-19 virus in not thought to “attack” the lungs. Rather the severe pathology of the lungs of those critically ill with the virus’ pneumonia is due to what’s called a “cytokene storm” which originates with one’s own immune system overreacting to fight the disease.
A vicious cycle of immune cells after more immune cells sets up a severe inflammatory response in the lung tissue damaging adjacent parenchymal tissue.
Currently looking at drugs to harness the immune system’s response.
Hey George,
Could this ever result in a finding that NSAIDs actually may be helpful therapy for fighting progression of this illness?
I'm an interested party. I've been restricting myself to Tylenol, but I operate a lot better with an Aleve morning and evening.
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