Edge for model 7 pencil barrel and Edge for a model 7XCR 7mm-08 - ordered both around the end of December. Ordered mine with the pencil barrel Olive w/ black and grey speckles, my son's XCR is to be black with grey speckles. In all likelihood my pencil barreled 7mm-08 will become a 22" barreled 6.5 Creedmor before it ever goes into the stock.
Rifle #3 is a work in progress. Probably has low appeal to most, but its what I wanted:
Defiance Rebel Medium Action, milled to accept Wyatt's CFE-5 magazine box. Deep bolt fluting, round bolt knob, standard rear tang (supposed to be identical to factory Remington), hunter port - right hand action/right eject, sheep rear bridge (equivalent to factory Remington rear bridge, will accept standard Remington bases. Pacific Tool and Gauge Remington Short Action Oberndorf bottom metal. Talley lightweight aluminum, 30mm (low) (8-40) � stock #738700. Hart 9� twist, #3 contour, 7mm, 21� finished length, min shank, shallow flutes, stop flutes 2� from muzzle, chamber - 7mm-08. McMillan Hunters Edge, olive w/ black speckles, 1� Pachmayr Decelerator Recoil Pad. Jewell Trigger.
Optics undecided, leaning heavily to VX-6 2-12x42 w/LR reticle fire dot at the moment, but that's changed so many times....
I ordered my A1-3 Rhino camo, extended blind mag, two flush cups port side and one forward bottom, in January and got the conformation letter in the mail last week. Stiller predator short action Krieger #18 LV 308 20" and 260 24" barrels Shilen trigger Minox 5�30�56 Widden gunworks full size dies Wilson seating dies 1968 Lake City NM 308 brass New Lapua 260 brass All I need is powder, primers, and bullets, and I ain't holding my breath to see any of those any time in the near future.
I kind of look at McMillans on order like Christmas and tax refunds.They get here when they get here,and then all is good.No sense sitting around fretting. Monashee
One classic for long action 700... going to complete the 375H&H that Eddie built for me... too long ago.
Rick was nice enough to let me in on the old pricing, even though I procrastinated to the very last minute. I don't mind waiting for something that's worth the wait.
Well to help ease my worries with the wait I decided to order a few parts for my Remington.
Sight fill screws, new magazine box, new torx bit action screws, and rings/bases from talley should be here soon. Then all of the metal is off to birdsong black T to be coated. Hopefully the mickey is in by then
I have two on order from mid December, a Game Scout and a A5, both for Defiance actions. Guns should be done any time now but by the looks of things it will be a while before the stocks show up.
Bummer! I was really hoping you were on to something there. You put the bug in my ear so now I might have to do a little research and see if I can't come up with something.
I kind of look at McMillans on order like Christmas and tax refunds.They get here when they get here,and then all is good.No sense sitting around fretting. Monashee
Yep, add that to the fact that it might sit here a year before I get time to mess with it, and its no big deal.
I have rifles to bide my time with until old man USPS delivers the goodies. But I am stoked for this stock to show up. Ordering parts and getting the rifle coated should soak up a fair portion of the wait time. Then the real nail biting can begin
Ordered a McWoody middle of Nov--said I'd have it in Feb. Haven't recieved it yet and two phone calls promising to check on it and get back to me haven't.
Now I know why. You guys are keeping 'em too busy.
Well, mine came today, a McWoody for a 375 R. Weighs about 34 oz, about 2 oz more than Rugers wood. Whole rig is at 8.75 lbs, really about a half lb more than I would like. But they are nice stocks.
I'm waiting for 3 of them. Ordered late December on Rick's Christmas special, so should have them by the day of the Greatest Spectacle in Racing!!!
The Derby?
I've always wanted to take a trip to Kentucky to see the Derby. Stop by the Maker's Mark Distillery, spend a day or so in Louisville, end up at the Derby. Late April just hasn't worked out to be on vacation.
I'm waiting for 3 of them. Ordered late December on Rick's Christmas special, so should have them by the day of the Greatest Spectacle in Racing!!!
The Derby?
I've always wanted to take a trip to Kentucky to see the Derby. Stop by the Maker's Mark Distillery, spend a day or so in Louisville, end up at the Derby. Late April just hasn't worked out to be on vacation.
Indy 500. Largest single day sporting event in the world.
I'm waiting for 3 of them. Ordered late December on Rick's Christmas special, so should have them by the day of the Greatest Spectacle in Racing!!!
The Derby?
I've always wanted to take a trip to Kentucky to see the Derby. Stop by the Maker's Mark Distillery, spend a day or so in Louisville, end up at the Derby. Late April just hasn't worked out to be on vacation.
Indy 500. Largest single day sporting event in the world.
Sorry, I should have put a in. I knew what you were talking about.
My experience is...unless you are ordering a stock for an M700, you can count on at least 6 months to get your stock. Easiest to just order one and forget about it. It will show up eventually.
I must be getting close...I placed my order Nov 30th but Rick did not place the order to McMillan until Dec 02. I have 1 LA and 1 SA I wonder if that will delay it any????
I got my barreled action back from the smith Monday. So I emailed McMillan to see how long it would be before the stock showed up. I got a speedy reply, but the stock is not due till June/July, I ordered the second week of January. The response also stated they are just now shipping December orders and are 2000+ stocks behind. Its going to be a LONG PAINFUL 2+/- months
I ordered mine Dec. 29th, don't think it got place til Jan. 4th with the holidays. Smith called on it a while ago to see how long it would be. They said around 6 weeks, that was 5 weeks ago. By the sound of things it might be a while longer, but it's getting close and I can wait.
There was a fair rush of orders in late Dec to beat the price rise. I am guessing that McMillan didn't have a quiet winter like they normally do, and won't have caught up on production quite as much. I don't expect to see my KS Edge (ordered 31 Dec) for a while yet.
I ordered an unpainted edge construction Classic LA in December to beat the price increase but currently have no good estimate as to when it may show up. I called last Friday, May 17th. The young man I spoke with (I think his name was Justin) said he had the order and would have to go find the stock and call me back - presumably later that day. I called late Friday afternoon and Lynn told me that he still had my request "in his stack" and would call me back but it might be Monday. I called Monday and another woman told me that "sometimes it takes a day or 2 to find a stock". Well, business has closed for Tuesday May 21st and still no call back.
Ordered my McWoody the first of May 2013 and got confirmation e-mailed to me last week, so looking at the other posts looks like it will be the end of the year before I get mine.
I ordered two stocks, Sako 85 hunter pattern for a Sako 85 actions on Dec 1. No word yet. I ordered a similar stock a few years ago and it took 8 months, so I'm not too worried about it.
Ordered a Remington Varmint on 12/12/12 and received it 5/15/13. Gonna be a 6XC with a Stiller Predator. Have it threaded but not quite chambered so should have it shooting next week if the weather straightens out. As dry as we were I won't complain about the rain!!
Do you all normally get a tracking number? I received a "ready for shipment" this past weekend but don't know when to expect it. Just hoping it shows up by tomorrow as I'm out of town the whole month of June.
My stock just shipped. 700 KS I ordered on 12/09. It's my fault, I could have had it sooner but I goofed on my barrel channel description but they fixed it for me
The stocks will show up when they show up. No sense in counting the days, you'll give yourselves heart attacks worrying! I have one coming from January, figure it will get here when it's done and not a day sooner.
1. Gap camo Mountain Rifle (grey, black, white) with DM for a .243 2. Same thing for a 6.5-06 but orange, black and white GAP 3. Same thing for a 6mm (orange, black and white GAP) - this one I might flip as I sold the rifle already. I might sand it out and put it on a 6mm with a Brux #3 Redneck is building for me. 4. Same thing for a 7mm-08, Brux #3 but in medium tan, dark tan and dark brown GAP.
I'm waiting on a MR ordered about the same time as #1. That's why I was curious. I've not seen any Mountain Rifles shipping. They'll come in due time..
Why does it take so long? And if there is obviously that much demand, why not hire enough people to get the product out! I have had one on order since December 18th and I am trying to be patient! LOL
I called yesterday just because. I was told they are shipping middle to end of Dec now so it should not be to long for my Dec 26 order. I Should have my new action here in a few weeks, picked up barrels at brux the other day. And drew a UT mt goat tag a few weeks back that I will put it to good use on!
Why does it take so long? And if there is obviously that much demand, why not hire enough people to get the product out! I have had one on order since December 18th and I am trying to be patient! LOL
5-6 months is fuggin' stupid. But hey, people deal with it. I just ordered one myself
When I ordered they told me 3-4 months, it is stupid. I hope for $650 it is everything people say it is or it will be my last. So far their CS sucks or to elaborate when I called for the stinking order form that didn't work they acted like they were doing me a favor.
I ordered my stock for a winchester on Dec 5 2012 still no word. If I had known it would take 6 months I would have paid more and bought it from stockys.
I'm well past 6 months. I understand the end of year sale and all that, but when I put in my order on 12/1 they knew how many existing orders they had at that point, so why was I told 16-20 weeks?
Ordered a Hunters Edge, grey with black speckles on 12/21 for my Remington Ti 7mm-08. Would like it soon so I can have everything done before the season gets here.
That Rick guy has been in Alaska chasing bears, but he's back in town now. I talked to him yesterday and he said mine was released for shipping. So maybe some of ya will get the call.
They list the Tikka T3 in the A3 description on their website...
A-3�
The A-3 is a modified lightweight version of our popular A-2 stock. It is the most widely used field sniper stock available. It is available with or without an adjustable integral cheekpiece. The forend is .312 inch shallower than the A-2 from top to bottom to provide a more stable platform while shooting off sand bags or a pedestal. The stock is also filled slightly lighter than the A-2 but retains all the features that make the A-2 such an excellent tactical stock. The A-3 is made primarily for Remington and Winchester actions and it will take barrels up to 1.350 inches in diameter. Available in right and left hand. Color shown, painted black.
THE A3 WILL ACCEPT THE FOLLOWING ACTIONS:
* straight comb, saddle, integral & thumbwheel adjustable cheek pieces available *
(if your action is not listed, please contact us and ask)
Bat HR & VR
Big Horn (rear tang will sit proud on stock 1/8")
Borden Alpine & Timberline
Dakota 76 (action must be sent in for fitting, fees may apply)
Just got my confirmation that my Dec 18th stock has shipped! It is about time!
Weird .... No word on the first one I ordered 5 Dec.
Yup, my friend is getting jittery as his sheep hunt is rapidly approaching. I think he ordered his right around the same time and there is no word yet. It would be nice if McMillan could have some sort of tracking system where a fellow could have an idea of shipping date. They seem to be perpetually busy - enough so that one would think they could ramp up production.
Edit - I read Dick's post on the other thread and I get it now.
11-25, 12-28 and 2 on 2-17. Not a peep! All Remington 700's.
20 days since I posted this and still no word - in a few days it will be 7 months for the 11-25 order. Unacceptable in my book. I've got well over a dozen of their stocks and 4 on the way but this will definitely be the last 4 I order until they speed their act up again.
Ordered my McMillan on 11/28 from the Campfire and received it on 05/30. I've got one more that I ordered in early January hoping to get it next month.
20 days since I posted this and still no word - in a few days it will be 7 months for the 11-25 order. Unacceptable in my book. I've got well over a dozen of their stocks and 4 on the way but this will definitely be the last 4 I order until they speed their act up again.
they definitely need more immigrants in the back room stuffing glass
Mine were ordered mid-December from the Campfire and still no word, I have never had one take this long and this will be number eight for me. Might have to look at other options, this is getting frustrating.
I'm waiting on mine, ordered during the sale on 12/31. Remington Mtn. Rifle Edge. First time I've ordered a McMillan, and honestly it's kind of disappointing it takes this long, with no idea on when it might show up.
As an update to anyone that cares. The stock fits my tikka .223 varmint perfectly. The action, recoil lug, barrel channel and CDI bottom metal inlet is perfect. I have modified the feed lips on my AICS mag and am all set to go. I didn't snap any photos yet.
Prolly place another order soon. Nice to have one in the queue.
Let me tell you how I run this plant. For the last 4 or 5 years we have taken orders for and produced about the same number of stocks in a year. I have the plant balanced to produce about 1/12 of that number every month. The right number of CNC mills and the right number of people and the stocks flow thru the plant in a fairly steady flow. However the orders are very cyclic, we get about 60% to 70% of the orders in a five month period from about Feb. thru June, then they slow way down during the fall and winter months. So, during the high period we are taking orders for about 200 stocks a month more than we can make and we get some long lead times building up. Then the incoming orders start to slow down about June or so and we start to get caught up. During the Aug. thru Jan. period the incoming orders are only about 2/3's of our capacity and by November or so we are down to about 6 to 8 weeks which is about what it takes for a stock to flow thru our one-of-a-kind custom hand-made-to-order stock process. Now, there is another way to run a business. I could buy two or three more $60,000 CNC mills, and every Feb. start trying to hire and train 12 or 15 more people, and try to keep caught up with the incoming orders. Then every Aug. or Sept I could let two or three of those expensive machines set idle gathering dust and lay about 12 or 15 people off for 6 months while we produce just the orders that are coming in. The type of people I hire you usually won't get back, they just go find another job. So you go thru this same hire and fire cycle every year and just absorb the material losses you get during the training cycle of new people. Sorry, but I prefer it my way. I've got a good well-trained steady workforce. We pay them a bit above average for the area, they have good benfits and most of them have been with us for 10 to 20 years and they know that they have good job security so they are very loyal employees. I only hire about two or three people a year to maintain a workforce of about 70. If you don't like the long leadtimes right now call and order a stock about November, you will probably get it in about 6 to 8 weeks. Your gunsmith will probably tell you the same thing about the barrel installation. Dick at McMillans
Let me tell you how I run this plant. For the last 4 or 5 years we have taken orders for and produced about the same number of stocks in a year. I have the plant balanced to produce about 1/12 of that number every month. The right number of CNC mills and the right number of people and the stocks flow thru the plant in a fairly steady flow. However the orders are very cyclic, we get about 60% to 70% of the orders in a five month period from about Feb. thru June, then they slow way down during the fall and winter months. So, during the high period we are taking orders for about 200 stocks a month more than we can make and we get some long lead times building up. Then the incoming orders start to slow down about June or so and we start to get caught up. During the Aug. thru Jan. period the incoming orders are only about 2/3's of our capacity and by November or so we are down to about 6 to 8 weeks which is about what it takes for a stock to flow thru our one-of-a-kind custom hand-made-to-order stock process. Now, there is another way to run a business. I could buy two or three more $60,000 CNC mills, and every Feb. start trying to hire and train 12 or 15 more people, and try to keep caught up with the incoming orders. Then every Aug. or Sept I could let two or three of those expensive machines set idle gathering dust and lay about 12 or 15 people off for 6 months while we produce just the orders that are coming in. The type of people I hire you usually won't get back, they just go find another job. So you go thru this same hire and fire cycle every year and just absorb the material losses you get during the training cycle of new people. Sorry, but I prefer it my way. I've got a good well-trained steady workforce. We pay them a bit above average for the area, they have good benfits and most of them have been with us for 10 to 20 years and they know that they have good job security so they are very loyal employees. I only hire about two or three people a year to maintain a workforce of about 70. If you don't like the long leadtimes right now call and order a stock about November, you will probably get it in about 6 to 8 weeks. Your gunsmith will probably tell you the same thing about the barrel installation. Dick at McMillans
The issue with this is that there are a bunch of guys on here who ordered during the slow period around November.....and are 6 months out on stocks. Hoping that doesn't mean those who ordered during the peak have to wait even longer.
It's nice to see the pre-price increase rush stocks starting to arrive!
The issue with this is that there are a bunch of guys on here who ordered during the slow period around November.....and are 6 months out on stocks. Hoping that doesn't mean those who ordered during the peak have to wait even longer.
Who knew you wouldn't be able to walk in any store and buy 22 ammo after Nov.....
Who knew you wouldn't be able to walk in any store and buy 22 ammo after Nov.....
I think quite a few of us saw that one coming.
Are you suggesting that the election and Sandy Hook shooting caused enough orders for Mcmillan that their lead time increased from 6-8 weeks to over 6 months?
Again, that was Dick's response from July of last year.
Are you suggesting that McMillan is/was immune from the mass hysteria???
I dont believe anyone has said anything of the sort. I believe whats being said in a round about way is his management practices suck.
Originally Posted by aalf
Originally Posted by DickD
The type of people I hire you usually won't get back, they just go find another job...............I've got a good well-trained steady workforce. We pay them a bit above average for the area, they have good benfits and most of them have been with us for 10 to 20 years and they know that they have good job security so they are very loyal employees.
the first part of that quote contradicts the last. If you pay above average and include good benefits, they cant just go find another job, and wouldnt want to.
I am fairly tolerant, and its good to know there are better times of year to order. But his unwillingness to keep up with demand, which they created with the price increase, at the sacrifice of customer satisfaction is very telling for a company so proud of their reputation. Not even a simple [bleep] sympathy letter/email regarding increased lead times! Bad business, not just for regular joes but smiths also who deal with tight schedules. Unless a helluva deal comes along this is my first and last.
I am fairly tolerant, and its good to know there are better times of year to order. But his unwillingness to keep up with demand, which they created with the price increase, at the sacrifice of customer satisfaction is very telling for a company so proud of their reputation. Not even a simple [bleep] sympathy letter/email regarding increased lead times! Bad business, not just for regular joes but smiths also who deal with tight schedules. Unless a helluva deal comes along this is my first and last.
I think he explained the management practices well and I agree with the way McMillan manages. If they put out 1/12th of the yearly order of stocks per month then things are good. No need to hire temp work for the rush times...it will lead to problems with quality...and a lot of other issues, especially $'s for McMillan.
If they aren't putting out 1/12th of the yearly orders per month then they should hire more and/or purchase new equipment.
I am fairly tolerant, and its good to know there are better times of year to order. But his unwillingness to keep up with demand, which they created with the price increase, at the sacrifice of customer satisfaction is very telling for a company so proud of their reputation. Not even a simple [bleep] sympathy letter/email regarding increased lead times! Bad business, not just for regular joes but smiths also who deal with tight schedules. Unless a helluva deal comes along this is my first and last.
I think he explained the management practices well and I agree with the way McMillan manages. If they put out 1/12th of the yearly order of stocks per month then things are good. No need to hire temp work for the rush times...it will lead to problems with quality...and a lot of other issues, especially $'s for McMillan.
If they aren't putting out 1/12th of the yearly orders per month then they should hire more and/or purchase new equipment.
I also agree with the way he's managing his company.
Would I like to get my stock quicker, absolutely. But, he's making a good product and I knew up front I would have to wait.
You have to admire someone who respects his employees, and doesn't hire and fire with mass layoffs several times thru the year.
This thread has lasted quite a long time, much longer than I expected. Just to clarify, my post was never in any way a complaint about McMillan, they are excellent in every regard.
Simply I am hoping for some solidarity in those that are also eagerly awaiting their toy
As I have been waiting almost 6 months now this thread has been encouraging to me as I was getting worried that something went wrong. Look at this thread is is amazing how many of us mentioned that we put out order in 12/31. I will to be patient to get a good product.
I think he explained the management practices well and I agree with the way McMillan manages. If they put out 1/12th of the yearly order of stocks per month then things are good......
Think about that one for a second. His plant is balanced and does 1/12th of yearly orders per month....and theyre backlogged. Look, I have no choice but to wait. But hes lucky hes self employed because anywhere else he'd be fired for not keeping up with demand.
His labor issues arent my problem. His company quoted 4-5 months, not 6-7-8.
That "1/12" comment makes no sense. You would have to know your annual order numbers ahead of time to divide it by 12. I am sure there is some sort of forecasting, but then again it is just an estimate. Milking production on purpose is not a common business model.
That "1/12" comment makes no sense. You would have to know your annual order numbers ahead of time to divide it by 12. I am sure there is some sort of forecasting, but then again it is just an estimate. Milking production on purpose is not a common business model.
He explained how he made the forecast based on the last 4 or 5 years. If they get swamped with orders, then the forecast may be off.
Originally Posted by DickD
For the last 4 or 5 years we have taken orders for and produced about the same number of stocks in a year. I have the plant balanced to produce about 1/12 of that number every month.
You know I regret not getting in on the snipers-hide group buy from January. The delivery time was approximately 6 weeks IIRC.
Currently they have a quite a few finished stocks waiting in the wings, but I believe the delivery time for a custom order is tit-for-tat with McMillan.
I think he explained the management practices well and I agree with the way McMillan manages. If they put out 1/12th of the yearly order of stocks per month then things are good......
Think about that one for a second. His plant is balanced and does 1/12th of yearly orders per month....and theyre backlogged. Look, I have no choice but to wait. But hes lucky hes self employed because anywhere else he'd be fired for not keeping up with demand.
His labor issues arent my problem. His company quoted 4-5 months, not 6-7-8.
You can call and cancel the order if you have a problem with the delivery time. Dick want have a problem selling the finished stock to another customer.
You can call and cancel the order if you have a problem with the delivery time. Dick want have a problem selling the finished stock to another customer.
Im almost there, not turnin back now. But ill be sure that folks I know are informed up front they dont give a schit when you get your stock. Then they can decide if its worth it.
You can call and cancel the order if you have a problem with the delivery time. Dick want have a problem selling the finished stock to another customer.
Im almost there, not turnin back now. But ill be sure that folks I know are informed up front they dont give a schit when you get your stock. Then they can decide if its worth it.
Those of us that are in the know could give a [bleep] less if it takes a few months. I can tell already that you want be satisfied with the product. You will be looking for something else to b!tch about.
Due to the overwhelming number of orders we received at the end of last year, production is behind schedule in producing your stock. As you know, it takes time to produce a custom product to the standards our customers expect and the quality we have established.
We are working to complete your order in a timely manner. However, at this time we are estimating an approximate 6 month timeframe from the date of your order for the completion on all stocks.
Thank you for your consideration.
We appreciate your business and your patience with this unexpected delay.
McMillan Fiberglass Stocks
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Not sure why it took them 3 months to fiqure out they got a lot of orders in December, & I would have liked to have had mine earlier... But it's right at 6 months.... what I have expected every since the email.
Got word that my Dec 29th order for a game scout is ready to ship. Just need to get a hold of Rick now. It's been a long 6 months but I'm ready to get this build put into motion.
I got the same email from Rick today that mine is now ready. Ordered on 12/31, so just short of 6 months. My gun buddies just rolled their eyes every time I told them I was still waiting on my stock.
Ordered 12/26 and got the call today. 6 months on the nose. LH Compact Edge. Would have had my barreled action done just about the same time if not for the unfortunate passing of Malm.
Just shy of 7 months on my 12/1 order. Apparently they haven't made a batch of compact edges since then. Would have thought it was the country breakfast of stock orders but guess not.
OK, just noticed 358Norma_fan ordered his compact edge over 3 weeks after mine, and his is on the way. Not sure what to make of that.
I wouldn't sweat it, I'm waiting on two from early Dec as well. The one I ordered last year took 8 months for some reason. These were all for Sako 85 rifles so I just assume that they might take longer since they are probably not a big sellers.
Originally Posted by cast10K
Just shy of 7 months on my 12/1 order. Apparently they haven't made a batch of compact edges since then. Would have thought it was the country breakfast of stock orders but guess not.
OK, just noticed 358Norma_fan ordered his compact edge over 3 weeks after mine, and his is on the way. Not sure what to make of that.
I've been trying to contact Rick for a couple of days to pay up for my stock so it can ship, but haven't been able to reach him yet. Anyone know if he is away, or if there is maybe a certain tme to call him when he is usually around?
I've been trying to contact Rick for a couple of days to pay up for my stock so it can ship, but haven't been able to reach him yet. Anyone know if he is away, or if there is maybe a certain tme to call him when he is usually around?
He PMd me Friday, I sent a MO and was checking if he got it.
You guys are going about this all wrong. When you order just put down like $50, then you won't be so anxious to get your stock because it comes with a $500 invoice.
Ya I was kind of thinking about my lack of planning for getting the final invoice! But I also seem to justify the cost without scope, reloading supplies etc. Oh well I got mine last week one day past 6 months and a day after my birthday. Should have the action in a week or two, for the one I want done for a UT mt goat hunt in Sept. Just need to get a scope and rings, the rest of the stuff is in and paid for. The other rifle I have everything ready to go and I am in no hurry to get that one done
You guys are going about this all wrong. When you order just put down like $50, then you won't be so anxious to get your stock because it comes with a $500 invoice.
Took mine out of the box this morning. Looks great! pics are bad, not much light in the house with this cloudy rainy day, but lightened this pic some so folks could see the weight. Mtn Rifle Edge fill...
How about slow purchaser? I have ordered Dec 31'st. I discovered a 'Ready to Ship' Email from June 20th this morning (July 3rd). Waiting on Rick to call me for payment since I replied finally.
I'm waiting on one ordered 12-31-12. I'm in no hurry, really. After the past few years of ordering McMillan's I've found that worrying about delivery dates is a waste of time. Frankly, if I were building a rifle for a hunt I would order a McMillan no less than 12 months ahead of time, to ensure (1) that it would arrive well ahead of the hunt and (2) that I would have time to get the rifle together and sorted out before the hunt.
I ordered my A1-3 January 21, got a call yesterday that it was ready. Looks like they are catching up. Now on for the wait for my June 20th Hunters Edge order.
UPS delivered my Edge MR today, after paying Rick on the 2nd. I was worried at first because the corner of the box had been damaged and ripped open, but all was good inside. McMillan does a really nice packing job. Stock looks awesome, olive with black & tan specks. Can't believe how light it feels.
is it any quicker at all ordering straight from mcmillan?
No. If you've got a common rifle then there are several dealers who have McMillan's in stock but if you want a custom finish or custom features you just have to wait.
yea im just gonna order one and wait was gonna settle for one of the ones that a cpl places keep in stock but they werent the color combos i really wanted
Yup. Friend ordered one in mid-December for his annual sheep hunt. He leaves for the hunt in two weeks and still no word on his stock. That's an 8 month wait with no ETA.
I don't mind the wait for a quality, custom built stock, but not being able to provide an ETA indicates a lack of understanding of your business. I totally understand level loading your schedule, but that shouldn't affect your ability to predict a delivery commitment.
I don't mind the wait for a quality, custom built stock, but not being able to provide an ETA indicates a lack of understanding of your business. I totally understand level loading your schedule, but that shouldn't affect your ability to predict a delivery commitment.
And when qouted 3-4 months on a $600 stock after 6-mos it is normal to become concerned a little..
Ordered 12/1, so 7 1/2 months and counting. This is my first mcmillan, and I had a thought the other day --- how good will this stock need to be to convince me to put up with this bs and order another one? I mean, is it even possible for a rifle stock to be THAT good?
They are nice, but I had one inletted for a long action when it's a short action, one friend had one with barrel channel not inletted correctly and another friend had one with the front swivel stud mounted at an angle.
Seems like as their times go up, so do the mistakes
Got the email from Rick that my stock is ready to ship on Wednesday. Paid for it yesterday. Now waiting for the UPS truck! Ordered December 27th. Winchester Hunter (edge) for 300 wsm build.
Ok, Stocky's just emailed McMillan says my Edge will ship today or next week. I am hopeful, but not holding my breathe. I used to check 24 Hour a few times a day, but now even more with hope Rick will tell me my Mtn Edge fill will be shipping. Maybe these stocks are real. I am beginning to believe they are a myth like unicorns or something.....
Has anyone seen or heard from Rick? I sent him an email last Saturday checking on my order, since I'm at the 8 month mark, and haven't heard back. Wondering if I can contact McMillan directly?
Had ankle surgery and have been on pain meds for a week. I don't do well on them. I am back in the office tomorrow. Staples came out today and I'm switching to high doses of ibuprofen. Pain meds = nausea here. No good.
My 12/09/12 order was released for shipping today. One Mountain Rifle Edge and one Winchester FWT Edge. I have been told that new orders are running four months. I will find out.
Now that's part I'm not getting. My order was put in 6 weeks earlier and I still haven't heard a word! I called McMillan and they can't tell me anything and have written Rick but have yet to receive a response.
Now that's part I'm not getting. My order was put in 6 weeks earlier and I still haven't heard a word! I called McMillan and they can't tell me anything and have written Rick but have yet to receive a response.
Terry
I too do not understand that, plus I really don't understand the wait times after Dick Davis got on here & spewed about McMillans "slow period".
If McMillan is that busy and needs to make that many stocks = hire/train new people, add equipment etc... etc....its not like they are not making any $$$
I am glad mine are coming but I will personally never order another unless they are in-stock at Stocky's. I am still hoping the inlet is correct since hearing others bad experiences.
The two stocks I ordered on 12/31/2012 arrived today. One was for a Ruger with a tang saftie. It was a McWoody. the other was for Remington 700 in 223. I got that one in an edge. Both looked great on the gun. Glad to get them.
My 12/09/12 order was released for shipping today. One Mountain Rifle Edge and one Winchester FWT Edge. I have been told that new orders are running four months. I will find out.
Just seen this post from Tom Manners on another forum - they just leased another building with 4,000 sq. feet & added more employees to keep up with demand and wait times down!!!!
Hey McMillan...............just sayin'
Here is that post:
"I would first like to start off by saying thank you to all the great support that you guys have given us over the years, because of you we continue to grow. Its only been two years since we moved into our new facility. When we did I thought that it would be big enough to last for years, but I was way off, LOL. We now currently run a day and night shift and most weekends at this facility. To help keep up with our growth and get our wait times back down we have leased a additional 4000 sqr feet building across the street from our plant. This facility will be up and running Sep 1st. In anticipation for this new location we feel that we have planned for a very smooth transition. Over the last 4 weeks we have rammed up mold production and have hired and trained most of the staff. This new facility will mainly be used for additional mold layup and finish work. The current mill room and all the current operations will not be affected, nor will we loose any production capacity. The main reason for this post is to let you guys know that we appreciate your support and to let you know how dedicated we are in maintaining it. I posted over in the elite hunter group buy section, if you have a build that is getting up there, PM me your build number and contact info, i will track it down in the system, that also applies here. Thank you very much,
Thomas Manners Mannersstocks.com 816-283-3334 Manners Composite Stocks - Stronger - Lighter - Stiffer - The standard for strength"
Placed my order on 12/21. Received email notification from Rick on 8/14 that my stock was ready. Contacted him the next day to pay the balance. The stock was delivered to my door this morning..8/21. So, exactly eight months.. Remington KS stock!
I'd like to add that this is my first McMillan and the quality is incredible. It's even better than I imagined it would be. So, for me, it was worth the wait. It was hard to put that KS stock down after I opened the box. It's nice!
Not sure why people think Manners is a better option. They are 5 months out, cost more, and have less patterns to choose from.
*Ever deal with Tom Manners?? He is a super nice guy and his customer service is one of the best in the gun world!!
*Ever see Manners inletting?? Its as clean as it gets!!
*You're right about having less patterns to choose from but they keep adding more and more as they move forward.
Like I stated above, my last McMillan has been ordered - wait times are through the roof & the quality has been down on the last couple I have gotten. (Wrong inletting, inletting was very rough, gel-coats chipped, & heavy swirl marks)
In their defense, i think most people that are complaining caused the backlog because they wanted to save a few bucks before the price increase. Sounds like they got slammed in December.
It is McMillan's complete lack of ability to quote a realistic wait time.
I think they have the ability to quote realistic times, but apparently longer quoted wait = less sales
What good would it do to increase sales if you can't keep pace with the orders you already have? Honestly, they need to increase their prices or their capacity, or most likely both.
I complain with nearly every order, as does most everyone I know, yet we still order again. Would we order in the first place if quoted a 9 month wait? Who knows.
I just bit the bullet and ordered one. I have had a lovely Mexican small ring 98 sitting with my gunsmith for a long, long time waiting for me to finish the beautiful classic stock he whittled for me and have it checkered. I screwed it up (not beyond repair; just beyond my ability to WANT to deal with) so I'm trying a Sako Hunter pattern McWoody w/ red decelerator.
Can't wait; this is my first order of a high quality synthetic. I'm a bit of a wood Nazi.
It isn't likely to be my first experience w/ a high quality synthetic given the wait time, as I have a Steyr 98 in 6.5x55 w/ light taper carbine-length Apex take-off & Parker Hale aluminum in-the-bow bottom metal that I'm dropping into a High Tech. Wait on those is SUBSTANTIALLY shorter... Brownells has em in stock!
I complain with nearly every order, as does most everyone I know, yet we still order again. Would we order in the first place if quoted a 9 month wait? Who knows.
Not me. It's a nice stock but there other nice stocks besides McMillan. This is my third and probably my last. BTW, I'm just a few weeks short of 9 months now.
Well I hesitated to tell you folks here but mine will be here Friday, according to UPS, and I did not order it until late February. We they called me last week to tell me that it was shipping and I mentioned that I knew others were waiting longer than I and she said some stocks take less time to build than others, but she also said that they were catching up. Lets hope this is good news for all.
My order was for a Winchester Classic McWoody inletted for a M70 Classic Stainless .375 H&H with 2-piece bottom metal.
I complain with nearly every order, as does most everyone I know, yet we still order again. Would we order in the first place if quoted a 9 month wait? Who knows.
Not me. It's a nice stock but there other nice stocks besides McMillan.
I complain with nearly every order, as does most everyone I know, yet we still order again. Would we order in the first place if quoted a 9 month wait? Who knows.
Not me. It's a nice stock but there other nice stocks besides McMillan.
Who?
Travis
Manners Brown Precision High Tech Specialties H-S Precision
I don't understand what the problem is with the wait.
Travis
Problem is that when you are waiting to have a custom rifle built & have every single component for the rifle except your stock, that's THE problem!! (especially when you are quoted 5 months and have to wait 7 or 8)
I complain with nearly every order, as does most everyone I know, yet we still order again. Would we order in the first place if quoted a 9 month wait? Who knows.
Not me. It's a nice stock but there other nice stocks besides McMillan.
Who?
Travis
Manners Brown Precision High Tech Specialties H-S Precision
Manners = limited hunting patterns & inlets. Limited LOP options - on the EHL line, the .5" pad is limited to 13.5". If you want longer you have to go with a 1" pad. Brown Precision = good stocks, but spendy HTS = limited patterns, must DIY H-S Precision = Not getting any of my money, after the Lon Horiuchi incident.
What if you had a Mauser 96 with a Shilen #4 barrel and a 1" shank, featuring PTG oberndorf bottom metal, and you wanted a left handed stock pattern in a Orange/blue swirl finish, with a red 1" decelerator, cut to 14.5" LOP?
What if you had a Mauser 96 with a Shilen #4 barrel and a 1" shank, featuring PTG oberndorf bottom metal, and you wanted a left handed stock pattern in a Orange/blue swirl finish, with a red 1" decelerator, cut to 14.5" LOP?
Well, the first thing I would do is question myself as to why I would want an orange and blue swirl finish stock in the first place. Next, I would ask myself why I wanted a left hand stock because I'm right handed. My third concern would be why I would want a M96 stock at all because I don't own one.
What does this question have to do with anything? Deflave ask who else made a good composite stock and I answered him. Nothing more. If McMillan is your stock of choice, by all means continue to buy them, they make a good product. If you need a reason not to buy from other makers, thats your choice too. that said, none of your above listed reasons would stop me from do business with any of the above makers I listed if they had a stock I wanted/needed. They make a good product too.
I really want to try a High Tech/Bansner. Finishing a stock would be fun, but leary about trying to cut the stock to install the puss pad myself.
I have been pondering this for quite a while also. I have a Steyr 98 w/ #2 taper 21" barrel and Parker Hale in the bow BM thatI'd like to build LIGHT. will likely go this route as Christmas present for myself?
I don't have a big problem with a wait as long as I am given a reasonably accurate estimate up front. Waiting 8 months when I'm told 6 would really irritate me.
I really want to try a High Tech/Bansner. Finishing a stock would be fun, but leary about trying to cut the stock to install the puss pad myself.
Let me know if you end up trying one. I'd be into buying one and finishing it, too.
Tanner
I've done a lot of them. I've cut the stock with a radial arm saw and a miter saw (several done with each saw). Put tape on the line where they are going to be cut and all is good. Even things up with a sander. I don't think HTS's are as strong or stiff as a Mickey, but if you finish them yourself they are a great bang for the $ and can be finished pretty light, especially if you use a flip-flop pad.
I've filled in pinholes and blemishes but never had to go over the whole stock. Have to sand down the mold lines and fill there as needed if there are pinholes. Never noticed a gritty feeling...I usually try to texture the paint a little as the stocks are kinda slick without a checkering pattern.
If you want a stock built within a relatively strict set of parameters (stock style, inletting, LOP, finish options, etc.), the other guys probably have something for you.
If you want a stock built within a relatively strict set of parameters (stock style, inletting, LOP, finish options, etc.), the other guys probably have something for you.
The other companies only increase your options as a consumer which was my point in the first place. I have no idea where you're going with this but, carry on.
The reason I asked is 'cause I have a wonderful pre-Garcia Forester and was wanting an EDGE. I have seen McMillans are taking a bit longer than usual so I called Manners. They gave me a GFY, so I am mainly curious if other companies make an EDGE comparable stock that they will inlet for the Forester.
Problem is that when you are waiting to have a custom rifle built & have every single component for the rifle except your stock, that's THE problem!! (especially when you are quoted 5 months and have to wait 7 or 8)
I can understand the frustration, but I don't see an extra two months on a build being a huge concern.
But then again, I'm the kind of guy that will order my Randall, and wait 5 years.
The reason I asked is 'cause I have a wonderful pre-Garcia Forester and was wanting an EDGE. I have seen McMillans are taking a bit longer than usual so I called Manners. They gave me a GFY, so I am mainly curious if other companies make an EDGE comparable stock that they will inlet for the Forester.
Travis
Manners did the same when I asked them about a stock for a Ruger 77 MK II.
I've ordered 6 McMillans through Rick over the last few years. The wait is getting a little ridiculous now. I ordered 2 stocks (Rem KS and swirl for a Mauser) on Dec 20. The swirl for the Mauser was done and shipped June 20, although it was inletted incorrectly. No word at all on the KS. When your told the wait is 5-6mths and its now 9mths and the last McMillan that shipped was incorrect...my faith in McMillan is dwindling. Luckily, there are other options out there.
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