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I think that it would be the smarter move to save one life for sure than to potentially lose three lives.

Joe Delaney was in a similar situation. He failed to save two children and drowned himself, good intentions, failed execution.

It is clear that you and I approach challenges from very different directions and probably from very different levels of experience and/or training.

I am 75 years old.

I say stop the shutdown of the economy.

If it continues, many people will die from depression, suicides, despair, and drugs.

Open the economy. Intelligent people will take precautions.

We are destroying America in order to save it. It's ridiculous. Nobody has the slightest idea what the mortality rate is from the Chinese flu.

And you think the economy will rebound after a few short weeks of this crap? Nobody has any idea if it will or not.

If the virus is left to run its course without preventative action:

Assumptions:

-Case fatality rate of Korea is around 3%. They had done lots of testing and contact tracing. It is unlikely they are missing large number of cases.

-Good medical care saves about 50% of the ICU cases.

-Herd immunity is 60-70%...let us call it 200M for simplicity.

-People 40 and over are at significant risk, risk increases with age.

-15-20% of cases need hospital care.

-Hospital beds in U.S....+/- 2.6/1000


What that means if we do nothing and no effective treatments are found:

-Best case 6M dead

-Hospitals will be overwhelmed, case fatality could go as high as 6%.

-Worst case 12M dead.

That is why all the countries have taken serious action once they realize what this virus really is.

I have no agenda and I wish it were otherwise. But after researching from every angle I can think of, above is the conclusion reached for just letting it run its course.

The best way to mitigate economic damage verses cost of human life is with testing. Both for those with the disease and those who have antibodies (and presumably have some immunity). We didn't get on the testing soon enough, it is everywhere right now...so until we get a handle on it, a shutdown is required.

Hoping someone with knowledge can poke a hole in the logic...

The two most populous states, California and Texas, that’s nearly 70 million people, have a staggering total of 430 deaths COMBINED.

Cuomo just said that 74% of the hospital patients in New York have been discharged.

OPEN UP THE DAMNED ECONOMY BEFORE PERMANENT DAMAGE IS DONE!!!

if you contracted gangrene in your pinky, would you cut it off to save your arm?

That’s not even remotely comparable to devaluing the lives of others.

I like the Nazi, slave owner reference... damn that is right out of the leftist play book..... very original...

If nothing else this virus will expose a few more snowflake leftist here at the fire....

Let us all know when you are volunteering at the ER/hospital in an epicenter of this pandemic to help out with all the ‘alarmists’ doctors and nurses and respiratory therapists who are overreacting to these “colds” that are killing so many people. They would appreciate very much...you being so brave and all, and a “patriot”, and a “free man”...you helping them out.

Sounds like you are devaluing his life.

Not that i disagree, Yet where is the data on that?

AKA Spook's analogy seems reasonable to me, but of course it would, since you think that my pragmatic response to crisis devalues human life.

Every death is a tragedy for the deceased's family and friends.

These are the numbers I've been telling people about since this whole foo-fraw started. Media driven panic. I worked ER for the swine flu, H1N1, SARS, ebola, et al. My protective device was handwashing. Period. And now that I'm retired, old (68), and asthmatic (since '74), I still don't give a damn about this, except that it's interfering with karate class and workouts at the Y. Here's a link to Johns Hopkins covid 19 map. Look at how few recovery cases are reported for the U.S. Wonder why they're not telling us the truth.

You are unfit for leadership.

Interesting, my wife is a retired nurse and has been telling me the exact same thing since this fiasco started......