This thread may be an opportunity to discuss the versatility both fun and practical of the 458 win. There is no reason to get defensive or insecure regarding the win mag. Nor does is have to be as good as or better than a Lott or 45/70. I happen own, shoot and like all three. There is a lot of overlap, but they are not the same.

It is a great heavy North American hunting round and since it is a 458 diameter there are many reloading options.