I'm w/doc on this one. Use the 117-120gr Partitions w/a good dose of IMR7828 or RL19 and get to killin about anything in the deer family. To put it another way...the 270W is suppose to be an excellent round w/the 130gr but the 25-06 w/the 120 can't make the grade. Think how utterly silly that sounds. powdr