Home Forums Hunting & Shooting Hunter's Campfire Why more black on black violence than white on white?

Ah, how should this impact our Constitution and our laws? Easy; only real property owners (i.e., real estate) who are full citizens are allowed to vote or hold office.

You're probably smarter than me but isn't this taxation without representation? One of the major grievances that provided impetus for the founding of our country?

No. Property taxes are, frankly, the only taxes (if any) that are truly Constitutional (aside from excise taxes and tariffs). Income tax is, at best, a means of wealth redistribution. Even if the above quote and Constitutional permissibility were expanded to included those who actually pay income taxes (net, not gross), the metric still does not change nor does the impact.

As for "likely being smarter than you"; doubt it, as there are many measures of "smart".

So property taxes would assessed federally and income taxes, sales taxes, capital gains, ect would all be abolished?

I guess if you are going to completely restructure taxation as you described, that would make a whole lot of sense. But as it stands today, property requirement to vote would certainly disenfranchise a large portion of tax paying citizens. The "price" for a vote would also become extremely fragmented across the US. I would certainly lose my vote to right and Id be pissed as hell.


Edit* I meant more knowledgeable rather than smart.

You are only shorting yourself by judging the masses by the actions of the few.

Using the fire as a representative sample of white dudes, its my opinion that half of us are batshit crazy...

More than 1/2, likely, but not violent.

I guess if you are going to completely restructure taxation as you described, that would make a whole lot of sense. But as it stands today, property requirement to vote would certainly disenfranchise a large portion of tax paying citizens. The "price" for a vote would also become extremely fragmented across the US. I would certainly lose my vote to right and Id be pissed as hell.

KYHillChick spent over a decade working in a program that Cincinnati Children's Hospital founded to combat teen pregnancy. She became a trained sex educator and worked with high schoolers, training them to turn around and conduct classes at the junior high level.

What impressed me the most about this program was the turnaround in the high schoolers, as well as the utter and complete ignorance that arrived with them when the entered the program. If black on black violence is anything like black on black sex, then the problem is not one of race, but rather abject ignorance. The people just do not know the basic mechanics and are completely clueless to the alternatives.

I do not want to go into purient details, but once you teach a young man or woman that there are alternatives to promiscuity, STD's, unwanted pregnancy, etc. and explain exactly how it all works, the rest comes pretty easy. Abstinence comes of its own accord. Attendance at school starts increasing, grades go up, pretty soon the kids are out looking for college scholarships and they get them.

It is easy to look at these folks and say that there is something innately different about them that makes them the way they are. I would answer that this is just as great an ignorance as these people are exhibiting. These people are a reflection of ourselves. These are our children if we did not raise them with proper values, or left them to fend for themselves without proper parents and proper supervision. These folks are ourselves if we were stripped of our civilized culture.

Back in the 50's and 60's Cincinnati rehabilitated the slums of our West End. What was torn down did not have any sanitary facilities, so whoever was living there had no knowledge of such things. I grew up in a building family, and was interested when I got to talk to a fellow who worked for the federal government when they came in and built the new housing.

What he said was that they built into the cost projections 3 complete changes of bathroom fixtures. When a family was given their new apartment, they were shown the bathroom and shown how to use it. Within a month or so, those fixtures had been torn off the wall, and they were using a hole in the floor. New fixtures were put in and the training was repeated. This time, the folks had some idea of what was going on, but they still managed to break the fixtures in the process of use. The third change of fixtures usually stayed put for a normal life span.

If you take this example and blow it out to an entire society, you have some idea of what needs to be done. We need to get past the "soft bigotry of low expectations" that Rush Limbaugh discusses and set this society on a path of leading the disadvantaged out of ignorance. Poverty and deprivation will slowly disappear, but we are still on the first change of fixtures, and the people still think it all goes down the hole in the floor, and if it doesn't you use a broom handle to get it down.

An easy fix.

Instead of allowing only property owners to vote, make it only people who aren't receiving government transfers are allowed to vote. Cut out all the welfare recipients and gov employees. The only gov employee I'd allow to vote, if I were king, would be military.

They may pay taxes, but they don't pay taxes in net.
Gov salary - taxes = net. It would be impossible for them to be paying more than they are getting.

If you really believe what you said, send me $100 and I'll send you $50 back. Just think, $50 FREE! Helluva deal, right?

So the issue of taxation w/o representation is still present in that scenario.