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I like the P3TR reticle on my 1-4X. Have a pair of their cheap XC binos that my kid took to Alaska.
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I've not searched to try to find this.... What are the sub tensions of the shown reticle on max power in the 2.5-10x42? Just checked their website and below is what they list for the MOA per line. 1st line = 1.49 2nd line = 4.31 3rd line = 7.18
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why oh why can steiner NOT put us simple hunter types a miniscule single dot along with a german #4ish reticle?????
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why oh why can steiner NOT put us simple hunter types a miniscule single dot along with a german #4ish reticle?????
Big Ed This, and not limited to Steiner.
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why oh why can steiner NOT put us simple hunter types a miniscule single dot along with a german #4ish reticle?????
Big Ed This, and not limited to Steiner. Google Meopta scopes reticles
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[quote=Fireball2][quote=WYcoyote][quote=whitearrow]why oh why can steiner NOT put us simple hunter types a miniscule single dot along with a german #4ish reticle?????
Agreed, the last thing I want to do while trying to age a deer, shoot a deer and not miss the deer is to do math.
Big fan of Meopta for years, I have buddy that has a reticle from them that has all sorts of lines and numbers. Just can't do it.
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My Steiner GS3 2-10x42 has a #4 reticle but no illumination and no dot.
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why oh why can steiner NOT put us simple hunter types a miniscule single dot along with a german #4ish reticle?????
Big Ed This, and not limited to Steiner. Google Meopta scopes reticles meopta's 4c rets dot is too big for my taste.leica and zeiss do it right. Big Ed
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Leica needs to put a #4 or decent plex on their 44mm Amplus 6. Think they would sell a lot of them.
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leica's L-4a ret and zeiss' #60 are 2 of the best for hunting imho.
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why oh why can steiner NOT put us simple hunter types a miniscule single dot along with a german #4ish reticle?????
Big Ed Many cannot comprehend the principles of a BDC . The Steiner E3 Illuminated Reticle is matched along the same system, only being more accurate. If any are confused with this reticle, they really do not belong on the range nor should they be hunting for anything.
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Not confused at all.
But I've been hunting with a scope for 50+ years and don't care for all that shidt on my windshield.
And made shots on big game much farther than 400 yards.
Your prized reticle is of no use to me.
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Many cannot comprehend the principles of a BDC . The Steiner E3 Illuminated Reticle is matched along the same system, only being more accurate. If any are confused with this reticle, they really do not belong on the range nor should they be hunting for anything. #machinelearning V. #maser
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Many cannot comprehend the principles of a BDC . The Steiner E3 Illuminated Reticle is matched along the same system, only being more accurate. If any are confused with this reticle, they really do not belong on the range nor should they be hunting for anything. GFY, droid.
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why oh why can steiner NOT put us simple hunter types a miniscule single dot along with a german #4ish reticle?????
Big Ed Many cannot comprehend the principles of a BDC . The Steiner E3 Illuminated Reticle is matched along the same system, only being more accurate. If any are confused with this reticle, they really do not belong on the range nor should they be hunting for anything. Synoptic: I figured a lot of folks who think BDC reticles and turrets are great have difficulty comprehending actual measurements! Not saying you shouldn't like what you like or that the reticle in reference won't, to certain extents, serve it's purpose, but how can one BDC reticle be any more or less "accurate" than another? They all consist of arbitrary aiming lines or dots through which the POA may or may not line up with the POI of bullet you're sending in the atmosphere you're sending it in. Of course there's custom BDC reticles and turrets, but the efficacy of such a set up is constrained to one bullet at one velocity in one atmosphere.
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why oh why can steiner NOT put us simple hunter types a miniscule single dot along with a german #4ish reticle?????
Big Ed Many cannot comprehend the principles of a BDC . The Steiner E3 Illuminated Reticle is matched along the same system, only being more accurate. If any are confused with this reticle, they really do not belong on the range nor should they be hunting for anything. Synoptic: I figured a lot of folks who think BDC reticles and turrets are great have difficulty comprehending actual measurements! Not saying you shouldn't like what you like or that the reticle in reference won't, to certain extents, serve it's purpose, but how can one BDC reticle be any more or less "accurate" than another? They all consist of arbitrary aiming lines or dots through which the POI may or may not line up with the bullet you're sending in the atmosphere you're sending it in. Of course there's custom BDC reticles and turrets, but the efficacy of such a set up is constrained to one bullet at one velocity in one atmosphere. And that particular scope has to be on max power for those to work anyway. Synoptic is a sockpuppet, but is still nothing but a mouthy pretender.
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The most well designed BDC reticle has been Nightforce's Velocity 600 reticle. It came in 3 variations, Low, Medium, and High Velocity. A simple reticle, 100 yard hash above intersection, 200 yard zero, 3, 4, 5, 6 holds with 5 and 10 mph windage at each. Between the 100 yard lines is a 50 yard drop only hash.
NF made a calculator that can be run with load specific data to determine the best version of the reticle to use and highlight exact differences, even listing the best range to zero at to put the reticle closer.
I much prefer FFP and dialing but NF put out a good BDC reticle.
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Synoptic is a sockpuppet, but is still nothing but a mouthy pretender. It's a something alright. I'm just not sure what. Reticles are moot though, as I doubt it shoots.
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Many cannot comprehend the principles of a BDC . The Steiner E3 Illuminated Reticle is matched along the same system, only being more accurate. If any are confused with this reticle, they really do not belong on the range nor should they be hunting for anything. GFY, droid. 🚀🤖 💥
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The most well designed BDC reticle has been Nightforce's Velocity 600 reticle. It came in 3 variations, Low, Medium, and High Velocity. A simple reticle, 100 yard hash above intersection, 200 yard zero, 3, 4, 5, 6 holds with 5 and 10 mph windage at each. Between the 100 yard lines is a 50 yard drop only hash.
NF made a calculator that can be run with load specific data to determine the best version of the reticle to use and highlight exact differences, even listing the best range to zero at to put the reticle closer.
I much prefer FFP and dialing but NF put out a good BDC reticle. I still have one of those. I can dial it but rarely do. The holdovers are as accurate as I can hold from field positions. I picked up a z3 Swarovski with a similar reticle to try. I haven’t made time for it yet.
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