I found a nice used Winchester M70 extreme weather SS today. It's a 30-06 with what looks like a bell and Carlson synthetic stock and a fluted 22" barrel.
It felt about right to me balance wise and the price seemed good so I grabbed it. It's assembled in Portugal and although I've had m70 stainless classics before this I'd my first Portuguese gun. How are these series guns?
It looks well made so I'm excited to see how it shoots. If it shoots well it may be my new traveling gun or go anywhere do anything rifle. I've always been a fan of 30-06 and have always felt like it's a good one to have one trips.
I might have to load up some of my old loads from long ago for doing anything. I used to load 200g partitions over a heavy charge of h4831sc for about 2700 fps. There wasn't much that wouldn't do under 500 yards. My longer range one was the same charge under a 208 amax. I recently bought a bunch of 225g eldms for half price so I'll see what I can get those up to as well. Starline also finally delivered my new 30-06 cases so I have a matching lot again.
I've always liked the way a 30-06 feeds and being able to load it with 5 rounds. Most bullets seem to work well at 30-06 speeds too. I'm hoping this shoots well.
If it doesn't shoot well I'll probably have it rebored to a 338-06 or 9,3x62. They had all their used guns 10% off today so I only paid $675 and it's in excellent shape.
I haven't been this excited about a rifle in a while. I have an older m70 stainless classic in 243 that still has its old elite 3200 3-9x40 on it and that little rifle shoots really well so I hope this 30-06 does too. They'll make a nice combo.
Congrats! I just picked up the same rifle except I paid a bit more. New M70 EW 30-06 from Portugal and topped it with a 3.5-10 x 40 Twilight. Looking forward to some quality break-in time when the snow and wind slows down. I have a pre-64 Mod 70 30-06 Gov that's a real tack driver, but I'll be happier showing it off at the range while I drag the EW out in moose weather.
Very good snag at that price. I have one in .30-06 and one in 6.5 Creedmoor love both of them . I let one in .338 Win mag slip away and still regret it. Great shooting rifles!!!!!!
Like others have said, that was a very good price. Well below even current market value. I've had a couple of these rifles and liked them but for whatever reason they didn't stick around. That said, I've never had one of my own, or known of one that didn't shoot well. I'm sure there are some but these BACO Winchesters have generally been solid shooters and I'll be surprised if it isn't an easy MOA rifle.
I found a nice used Winchester M70 extreme weather SS today. It's a 30-06 with what looks like a bell and Carlson synthetic stock and a fluted 22" barrel.
It felt about right to me balance wise and the price seemed good so I grabbed it. It's assembled in Portugal and although I've had m70 stainless classics before this I'd my first Portuguese gun. How are these series guns?
It looks well made so I'm excited to see how it shoots. If it shoots well it may be my new traveling gun or go anywhere do anything rifle. I've always been a fan of 30-06 and have always felt like it's a good one to have one trips.
I might have to load up some of my old loads from long ago for doing anything. I used to load 200g partitions over a heavy charge of h4831sc for about 2700 fps. There wasn't much that wouldn't do under 500 yards. My longer range one was the same charge under a 208 amax. I recently bought a bunch of 225g eldms for half price so I'll see what I can get those up to as well. Starline also finally delivered my new 30-06 cases so I have a matching lot again.
I've always liked the way a 30-06 feeds and being able to load it with 5 rounds. Most bullets seem to work well at 30-06 speeds too. I'm hoping this shoots well.
Bb
I had a blast using the 212 ELD with my 30-06. Got about 2700 and man, made the 06 seem a lot bigger than what it is.
You got a good rifle. Hoping it shoots well for you. Good chance you’ll enjoy the heck out of it.
Huh, I also just picked up the same gun from my FFL last night, we'll have to compare notes!
Range report on the head to head shoot off you guys have. Looks like there are 3 of you that bought the same rifle. I'll give points awarded to the OP for using the right bullet in his though. He's ahead, so you other 2 have some catching up to do. 5 shot groups and no cherry picking!!
I also had one chambered in 30-06. I hated the stock, so put it in a Mcmillan:
That made all the difference in the world. For accuracy, it always threw a first shot flier:
It was a damn nice rifle, but eventually got sent down the road. I still have a preference for the Classic's and pre 64's.
Originally Posted by raybass
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.
Originally Posted by Pharmseller
You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole.
You'll have to wait a bit, currently fitting mine to a Bansner /Miller stock.
Be interested in knowing how you like that stock. Against my better judgement (long story about McMillan and their "quality control") I just ordered another McMillan Edge for my Stainless Classic Featherweight 30-06. I was giving the Bansner a good look before I ordered but ended going with what I know over trying the Bansner. Now the question is how many times I'll have to send the McMillan back before they get my order right? Anyone want to wager?
For me the ergo's of the McMillan Hunters Edge completely suck compared to the standard Bansner M70 stock. I've had about 1/2 dozen McMillan Hunters Edge's for M70's. I got rid of my last one a few years back and will go Bansner's from here on on out.
“Perfection is Achieved Not When There Is Nothing More to Add, But When There Is Nothing Left to Take Away” Antoine de Saint-Exupery
For me the ergo's of the McMillan Hunters Edge completely suck compared to the standard Bansner M70 stock. I've had about 1/2 dozen McMillan Hunters Edge's for M70's. I got rid of my last one a few years back and will go Bansner's from here on on out.
I really like the Bansner stock as well.
Teat myself to a birthday gift. It's in January. This should make my model 70 in 270 Winchester all the better.
For me the ergo's of the McMillan Hunters Edge completely suck compared to the standard Bansner M70 stock. I've had about 1/2 dozen McMillan Hunters Edge's for M70's. I got rid of my last one a few years back and will go Bansner's from here on on out.
I really like the Bansner stock as well.
Teat myself to a birthday gift. It's in January. This should make my model 70 in 270 Winchester all the better.
Take care.
I don't find the Hunters EDGE all that bad, saying that, I'll be using the Bansers Miller Classic's from here on out I believe.
For me the ergo's of the McMillan Hunters Edge completely suck compared to the standard Bansner M70 stock. I've had about 1/2 dozen McMillan Hunters Edge's for M70's. I got rid of my last one a few years back and will go Bansner's from here on on out.
The only thing wrong with that stock is that the forearm is a little to short for a 24" barrel, not quite as bad with a 22", but still a little short.
For me the ergo's of the McMillan Hunters Edge completely suck compared to the standard Bansner M70 stock. I've had about 1/2 dozen McMillan Hunters Edge's for M70's. I got rid of my last one a few years back and will go Bansner's from here on on out.
The only thing wrong with that stock is that the forearm is a little to short for a 24" barrel, not quite as bad with a 22", but still a little short.
MM
I agree.
Originally Posted by raybass
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.
Originally Posted by Pharmseller
You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole.
For me the ergo's of the McMillan Hunters Edge completely suck compared to the standard Bansner M70 stock. I've had about 1/2 dozen McMillan Hunters Edge's for M70's. I got rid of my last one a few years back and will go Bansner's from here on on out.
The only thing wrong with that stock is that the forearm is a little to short for a 24" barrel, not quite as bad with a 22", but still a little short.
MM
We'll have to agree to disagree. The comb geometry is absurd in a supposedly modern stock design. A real recoil turd, that edge fill only makes worse.
“Perfection is Achieved Not When There Is Nothing More to Add, But When There Is Nothing Left to Take Away” Antoine de Saint-Exupery
I will say I have quite a few pre 64 M70 featherweights in the MCM compact edge and rather like them, but my heavy kicker ( M70 300 H&H) sits in a MCM Echols Legend (edge fill) and that stock handles very well. I've just wrapped up the stock work on my current model EW 30'06 build using the Bansner miller stock and so far that stock fits me well but we'll see if that rings true after I get some shooting in.
I’ve owned McMillan Supergrades, Classics, Featherweights, a Banser and an MPI. I prefer the extreme weather stock over all of them. Just goes to show how personal stock fit can be. To me the extreme weather is the easy button and I wouldn’t change a thing!
Stuck in airports, Terrorized Sent to meetings, Hypnotized Over-exposed, Commercialized Handle me with Care... -Traveling Wilbury's
I will say I have quite a few pre 64 M70 featherweights in the MCM compact edge and rather like them, but my heavy kicker ( M70 300 H&H) sits in a MCM Echols Legend (edge fill) and that stock handles very well. I've just wrapped up the stock work on my current model EW 30'06 build using the Bansner miller stock and so far that stock fits me well but we'll see if that rings true after I get some shooting in.
I'll be listening. With it being very difficult to get Legends, the Miller Classic seems like the new go to.
I got my first Bansner in 2004. Put it on an M70 30-06 Fwt. The stock handled the recoil beautifully. Later, around 2008, because Mcmillan was the "easy button," I went the Hunters Edge route, putting a pre-64 30-06 Fwt in a one. Definitely more noticeable recoil. But I'm a slow learner, and ended up with another 6 Hunter's Edge's (another 30-06 Fwt, a 270 Fwt, a 308 Fwt, 308 EW, a 300 WSM, and 300 WSM EW). Again, the easy button. I got rid of my last and have gone back to Bansner's. I have a current one that is going on an M70 EW 6.5CM. I find the Hunters Edge comb and hard Edge fill magnifies recoil compared to the Banser comb, fiberglass shell, and traditional foam fill. Some years ago I shared my thoughts with Dober. He replied, "I thought I was the only one that hated that stock!" But we do tend to like the same things...
“Perfection is Achieved Not When There Is Nothing More to Add, But When There Is Nothing Left to Take Away” Antoine de Saint-Exupery
I don’t mind them myself but they aren’t Legends for sure. I need to get on the ball and order a Banser up just to see. If I like them I can see a few rifles getting updated.
Winchester has long sucked ass,with stock designs. The EW simply blows most of their efforts away. Hint.
When it comes to aftermarket handles,pass the Sako Hunter and hold The Fluff. Hint.
Just saying...............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
I got my first Bansner in 2004. Put it on an M70 30-06 Fwt. The stock handled the recoil beautifully. Later, around 2008, because Mcmillan was the "easy button," I went the Hunters Edge route, putting a pre-64 30-06 Fwt in a one. Definitely more noticeable recoil. But I'm a slow learner, and ended up with another 6 Hunter's Edge's (another 30-06 Fwt, a 270 Fwt, a 308 Fwt, 308 EW, a 300 WSM, and 300 WSM EW). Again, the easy button. I got rid of my last and have gone back to Bansner's. I have a current one that is going on an M70 EW 6.5CM. I find the Hunters Edge comb and hard Edge fill magnifies recoil compared to the Banser comb, fiberglass shell, and traditional foam fill. Some years ago I shared my thoughts with Dober. He replied, "I thought I was the only one that hated that stock!" But we do tend to like the same things...
Mark is turning out some high quality stocks right now. I need to try one of his drop in ready versions. For the price, I think it’s a bargain.
I got my first Bansner in 2004. Put it on an M70 30-06 Fwt. The stock handled the recoil beautifully. Later, around 2008, because Mcmillan was the "easy button," I went the Hunters Edge route, putting a pre-64 30-06 Fwt in a one. Definitely more noticeable recoil. But I'm a slow learner, and ended up with another 6 Hunter's Edge's (another 30-06 Fwt, a 270 Fwt, a 308 Fwt, 308 EW, a 300 WSM, and 300 WSM EW). Again, the easy button. I got rid of my last and have gone back to Bansner's. I have a current one that is going on an M70 EW 6.5CM. I find the Hunters Edge comb and hard Edge fill magnifies recoil compared to the Banser comb, fiberglass shell, and traditional foam fill. Some years ago I shared my thoughts with Dober. He replied, "I thought I was the only one that hated that stock!" But we do tend to like the same things...
Mark is turning out some high quality stocks right now. I need to try one of his drop in ready versions. For the price, I think it’s a bargain.
I agree on the bargain part, my concern is the lack of any checkering and that's the reason I went with the Micky. The Bansner does look like a nice stock though so perhaps the next one I "need" will be one of them.
The scope and mounts,are pieces of fhuqking schit,but I actually shoot. Hint.
Just saying,that Fluff don't make a fhuqk,but Rugged Reliability do. Hint.............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
FAR better than you are with the truth...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?
The 9th set I've Puked. Hint.
Fhuqking LAUGHING!.................
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
The fit and finish of the Winchesters M70's assembled in Portugal is very nice. If a person likes control-round-feed and the stock works for them, it is hard to find a nicer option.
Pardon yesterday morning,as you CLUELESS Cry aloud. Hint.
Fhuqking LAUGHING!...............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
I got my first Bansner in 2004. Put it on an M70 30-06 Fwt. The stock handled the recoil beautifully. Later, around 2008, because Mcmillan was the "easy button," I went the Hunters Edge route, putting a pre-64 30-06 Fwt in a one. Definitely more noticeable recoil. But I'm a slow learner, and ended up with another 6 Hunter's Edge's (another 30-06 Fwt, a 270 Fwt, a 308 Fwt, 308 EW, a 300 WSM, and 300 WSM EW). Again, the easy button. I got rid of my last and have gone back to Bansner's. I have a current one that is going on an M70 EW 6.5CM. I find the Hunters Edge comb and hard Edge fill magnifies recoil compared to the Banser comb, fiberglass shell, and traditional foam fill. Some years ago I shared my thoughts with Dober. He replied, "I thought I was the only one that hated that stock!" But we do tend to like the same things...
Someone earlier made the comment that stock fit & design is personal, & that's true.
While the Edge is far from my favorite stock, it works fine for it's intended purposes, ie, lighter, more compact builds. The early originals with a .6" Decelerator weigh 21-22 oz. Newer ones seem to be heavier sort of defeating the original purpose of the stock, IMO.
My biggest "dislikes" (relative word) are that the grip could be a little more open, & it would benefit from a little less drop at the heel. I don't find the comb itself objectionable.
But I won't be buying anymore either..........it's fine, it's just not a favorite.
As for Bansner, he would have done well to keep the exterior design of the Hi-Tech Specialties stock when he bought that business, & just improved the construction..........I'm not thrilled with his design, but haven't seen or handled a Miller, so maybe it's an improvement.
And I have trouble coming to grips with a $750 for a drop in stock being a "bargain", when a new Kimber Hunter can be had as a complete rifle for under a grand.
The original Hi-Tech design was close to a Rem KS stock in ergos which is by far my favorite design.............I wish it would have been available for actions other than a long 700; the Model 7 KS was a turd & just not the same.
I have not handled the new versions of the Win EW, so maybe it's been improved, but at $1500, Christensen, Bergara Premier's & Kimber's Ascent start looking really good to me by comparison.........& I've always really liked M-70's. The Featherweight is still a long time favorite.
Kudos on your Pretending aloud...you "lucky" kchunt. Hint. Congratulations?!?
Keep hopping fences. Hint.
Fhuqking LAUGHING!............
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
Brad says: "Can't fault Rick for his pity letting you back on the fire... but pity it was and remains. Nothing more, nothing less. A sad little man in a sad little dream."
This isn't for an EW, but I just received a Wildcat Composite (18.6 oz) stock for a M70 in. This is my first one, but I like the FWT pattern stocks so I imagine I'll love it. I'll post pictures once I get it finished out.
There is no doubt that McMillan’s compact was a swing and a miss.
Put that to a vote, I'd think you'd be wrong. There are many guys that actually really like them. Brad always promotes the Bansner. I don't care for those at all. Like we all know, everyone is built different and we have our own tastes. But to call it a swing and a miss, is absolutely fu cking stupid.
Originally Posted by raybass
I try to stick with the basics, they do so well. Nothing fancy mind you, just plain jane will get it done with style.
Originally Posted by Pharmseller
You want to see an animal drop right now? Shoot him in the ear hole.
[quote=taylorce1]This isn't for an EW, but I just received a Wildcat Composite (18.6 oz) stock for a M70 in. This is my first one, but I like the FWT pattern stocks so I imagine I'll love it. I'll post pictures once I get it finished out.
Obviously, I have no idea of the real sales $$$ or units have been, but I doubt that the Edge Compact has been sold in overwhelming numbers.
I also think that McM made a mistake by not continuing the KS stock & by no bringing out an SA version of it, & by not inletting the Sako Classic for M-70's as well as continuing an up-dated version of the Winlite.
I would prefer any of those over the Edge Compact/
I doubt they do it currently, but they were quite willing to inlet the Sako Classic for the M70. Their only caveat was that by the time the tang area was contoured properly, the checkering pattern didn't match up well.
I doubt they do it currently, but they were quite willing to inlet the Sako Classic for the M70. Their only caveat was that by the time the tang area was contoured properly, the checkering pattern didn't match up well.
They were willing; and then they weren’t. The last time I had them do some for me prior to the change in ownership, it was an upcharge of $100.
This isn't for an EW, but I just received a Wildcat Composite (18.6 oz) stock for a M70 in. This is my first one, but I like the FWT pattern stocks so I imagine I'll love it. I'll post pictures once I get it finished out.
Was Stuart able to figure out a way to get these across easily, or was there a ton of paperwork?
I doubt they do it currently, but they were quite willing to inlet the Sako Classic for the M70. Their only caveat was that by the time the tang area was contoured properly, the checkering pattern didn't match up well.
They were willing; and then they weren’t. The last time I had them do some for me prior to the change in ownership, it was an upcharge of $100.
I know how you feel. They built a warranty replacement stock for me and I asked Lynn if I could pick it up unpainted, bed the action and bottom metal and then bring iit back for paint, no problem... That was right before the sale. They did a great job with the paint, but charged $35 to tape off the bedding when I brought it back under new ownership.
This isn't for an EW, but I just received a Wildcat Composite (18.6 oz) stock for a M70 in. This is my first one, but I like the FWT pattern stocks so I imagine I'll love it. I'll post pictures once I get it finished out.
Was Stuart able to figure out a way to get these across easily, or was there a ton of paperwork?
There was paperwork, I don't know how much. My buddy already had the forms started and I had him add my stock on to his.
[quote=taylorce1]This isn't for an EW, but I just received a Wildcat Composite (18.6 oz) stock for a M70 in. This is my first one, but I like the FWT pattern stocks so I imagine I'll love it. I'll post pictures once I get it finished out.
what is the wait time and cost of those stocks ?
Hal
I latched onto the order my buddy was doing. I sent the mone on Sept 20th, and the stocks arrived Dec 15th. My stock was $375, it'll probably be north of $700 finished.
Are people here really spending good money to replace the current FN/BACO OEM B&C stock?
GR
I have replaced a few of them.. Grips way too chubby and short for my big paws. My other good buddy, doesn’t mind them a bit. It’s worked out well for both of us.
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