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Hatari, chill out. I'm not a Bush hater, voted for him twice, just wished he had seen the horizon a little bit better.

Bush and the Republicans that WE supported and voted for did nothing to curtail jobs from going south and east, in fact he and most of industry applauded it. Why not? Goods were made cheaper because of labor costs and shareholders reaped those benefits. Good for our markets, if you are an investor.

China doesn't compete, not on a level playing field. You can't ship the manufacturing sector overseas, then expect an American worker, with a standard of living and the social safety nets that go with him, to compete. It is not competiton at all. Its suicide. Hence "free market" is not free, so long as we have social programs and spending up the azz.

China now needs everything that we used to fuel our economy and recent prices over the last three years should illustrate that. That rubber dogschit wasn't so cheap after all and it clobbered the auto industries' sales with steel and petro prices, remember?

BTW, who got China and India out of the Stone Age? Who has paid for that? The American consumer. Did I ask for cheap Chinese crap? Believe me, I'd rather have toys made in Ohio again, but the lure of profit and no equalizing tariffs, and unions conceding they might get paid pretty good after all prevents that, along with the B.S. enviro crap. Bush's fault? No, but what did he do to help?

He is also a very firm believer in the Mexican President; every thing he did or didn't do regarding the southern border illustrates that. Again, not good for us.

Bush was great for the 2nd, he pulled a stellar move in his Supreme Court nominee (and Chief Justice) and his tax cuts aided an already ailing economy.

I feel he got a global shaft with Iraq and the whole WMD thing; he just made the mistake of not outing the Russians.

The MSM made Katrina look like a Federal blunder, which it obviously wasn't.

He didn't get his SS reform, ANWAR drilling and his policies passed; his own Party prevented a lot of it, but then again he did go to bat for Specter, so he's a dolt.


Sorry.

Now that one IS good--and worth saving....Can I save to Stever's Watch Posts?



Casey

That is VERY true--and it's the perfect example of spending more time worrying about the other Team than keeping one's own Team on track..........

And yet the partisians don't learn--time to go back to Conservatism 101.....



Casey

Hi Jeff,

I didn't say Obama was better. I said I hoped he would be. HUGE difference. Obama hasn't done squat that I like yet, but then how could he? He's doing what any other prez (including McCain) would be doing right now- economic triage. And throwing money around like it didn't matter.

What gets me laughing is how he's already been proclaimed by some of you as the worst ever, when all he's done so far is essentially a continuation of GWB's policies at the end there.

GWB [bleep] THINGS UP. Face it. The guy was a dolt.

...Hey GW and Obama are both globalists, it is clear however that the big O will move us there at an accelerated rate. The America we once knew seems all but lost forever.

Just read this whole thread. Good Lord, people. The hysteria that some of you exhibit is borderline comical.

I get the impression that some of you would pee your pants if Obama said "boo!" to you in a dark alley... TFF... grow up. The man is just a president. They are not dictators. If nothing else, we've seen how the various agencies and beaurocracies can stall if need be... a president gets about 3 years, really, between "not really there yet" and "lame duck"...

I do take issue with the mischaracterizations of ME that most of the hysterical among you are prone to. I don't think Obama is the next coming. The man scares the crap out of me. McCain just scared me worse.

And GWB? He was a detached, timid, confused little man who naively let others dictate his presidency. Shame on him.

I STRONGLY recommend you take your own advice (your first sentence above refers), but your last three comments solidified your position. Just stop posting and maybe someday you'll get your credibility back. jorge

Ya know, he did have a record that preceded him, yet HOpe won your vote.

McCain's wasn't great, but cannot understand what scared you more. Methinks you voted on HOpe..

jorge, I have no particular like nor dislike of you; you seem OK to me and have been a fair and decent person to interact with. So, don't take this personally, but my credibility with the likes of the hysterical far right is not a concern to me, to put it mildly <g>.

I stand by every word I typed. Some of your ARE acting comically. Give the man a chance. WHOEVER our POTUS is would be doing the same damn stuff. Most of what you guys are peeing your pants over is conjecture and black-helicopter right wing hissy fit material. It's not reality. It's in your own demented heads. Not accusing you, Jorge, but man... some of these guys...

Let's talk like reasonable human beans in a year or two when there's SOMETHING TO TALK ABOUT. To this point, he's just dealing with the hand he was dealt, and it's a crappy hand.

I don't consider myself hysterical, and I'm so glad you don't take what people here think of you seriously, but the fact you voted for a de facto marxist and proceed to defend his onslaught on the American Way as "playing with a crappy hand", well I'm sure you won't lose any sleep over this, but you have zero credibility with me. Cheers, jorge

Jeff, enjoy reading your posts. Even though I might strongly disagree with some of your reasoning, you at least take the time to lay out your position in a thoughtful well laid out format. It's a lot more than I can say for many.

jorge... what "onslaught"? What has he actually done? Proposed a stimulus bill and massaged it through Congress? Big whoop. That was all in motion before he came on board.

Truth is- and again jorge I'm not aiming this at you, you just happen to be here <g>- having a well-spoken racially mixed man ROUT the Republican candidate really freaked some people out, and they are badly over-reacting.

Look... nowhere have I said, nor will I say, that he's anything other than the best of two fairly frightening alternatives. Let me be extra clear: I HATE THE CURRENT STATE OF AMERICAN POLITICS, AND CAST MY VOTE WITH MY NOSE HELD!!" But here we are; our two party system provided us a "leader", let's give him a chance and if he's a 'tard, we'll vote the sumbitch out in 3.5 years.

Obama lays it out pretty well also. Appearance over substance tends to sway the shiny red ball crowd.

Perception is reality, and it is scary powerful.

the three thousand points the Dow has shed since his election and continuing as he shows his "program" for a socialist America is a pretty good indicator.....that's not a referendum on Bush....the stock market is about expectations for future performance, and the vote on B-HO is thumbs down.

I still want to know if the O in your last name stands for Obama?

Jeesh..........how can anyone get a straight answer out of you liberals?

will I kinda agree with Ford on what he thought of the presidents after him............

Carter never made a major mistake
clinton was so so
Ronny.............well he was you know a brain dead actor(no Ford didn't say that but he didn't think much of him) well Nixon didn't care for him neither..................

Abe Lincoln was the worst president historically... suspended the Constitution, habeous corpus and imprisoned the Maryland Congressional delegation to name the obvious sins. Abe also began the Un-Constitutional practice of creating law based on the imaginary power of Presidential Orders now called Executive Orders. By the way Abe never freed a slave.

Barry the arab may give Abe a run for the honors of most distructve Presidents to the Republic.

maybe your rotflmao, but Ford did say that

Nixon thought alot of Carter too, but but but, how could they there Republicans??????????????